Second class sex with condoms

I like all as stated above. I would caution one thing. An STD can be carried asymptomatic for months. Keep doing your thing! You sound like a very hot sexy couple there in Switzerland!

Greetings from another part of Europe. Welcome to this forum! You said:

(...) which may be necessary for sailors and prostitutes but not for regular couples in happy marriages without bi husbands

I disagree. I'm not a sailor nor bi, MsDiscover is not a prostitute and our relationship is a very happy one. And we are happy condom-users. My wife reacts very badly on any birth control containing hormones (pill, nuvaring etc etc) and libido was basically below zero. Then we decided to stop her taking birth control and I started to use condoms. Which was not a great success because of the feeling or handling but once we discovered XL condoms that fitted me well, it turned out to be wonderful. Libido was back in the meantime and the fucking itself was almost as good as bare, especially when I discovered to add a drop of lubricant on the inside. When we decided we don't want to have another kid, I had my surgery and now we can fuck without condoms. However, we still use them once in a while, for anal (making anal to mouth easy and clean) or oral. Or to have sex in inconvenient places like while camping etc., so MsDiscover stays clean. No problems for me.

As far as your question: no, we don't have the same preference. For intercourse with people outside our relation, we always would use condoms. The health risks as simply to big, especially HIV. Only using the judgment (how?) 'if contact with other persons can lead to STD' offers far too less security for us.

MrDiscover

Greetings from another part of Europe. Welcome to this forum! You said:

 

I disagree. I'm not a sailor nor bi, MsDiscover is not a prostitute and our relationship is a very happy one. And we are happy condom-users. My wife reacts very badly on any birth control containing hormones (pill, nuva ring etc etc) and libido was basically below zero. Then we decided to stop her taking birth control and I started to use condoms. Which was not a great success because of the feeling or handling but once we discovered XL condoms that fitted me well, it turned out to be wonderful. Libido was back in the meantime and the fucking itself was almost as good as bare especially when I discovered to add a drop of lubricant on the inside. When we decided we don't want to have another kid, I had my surgery and now we can fuck without condoms. However, we still use them once in a while, for anal (making anal to mouth easy and clean) or oral. Or to have sex in inconvenient places like while camping etc., so MsDiscover stays clean. No problems for me.

 

As far as your question: no, we don't have the same preference. For intercourse with people outside our relation, we always would use condoms. The health risks as simply to big, especially HIV. Only using the judgment (how?) 'if contact with other persons can lead to STD' offers far too less security for us.

 

MrDiscover

Mr. Discover seems be not discovered that many STD's like one of the various Hepatitis variants are 50 time more infectious than HIV. Many STD`s can be even transferred just simply by kissing. If you are in stable relations and do not fuck anal, there is very less rick to be HIV infected by bareback fucks. Especially if you limit the number of your relations to one or two married couples there is practically no risk.

Sorry, we do not believe that "the fucking itself was almost as good as bare". Feeling pussy and its liquids as well as warmth of another cock is something totally different than feeling lubricants or Latex around your cock or in your pussy. IT IS SECOND CLASS SEX. We stay and play in the PREMIER LEAGUE and wish you pleasure in your league.

We love sex, swinging and feeling our sexual partners bareback including creampies and sloppy seconds. "Working" with condoms and try to enjoy getting pleasure with half erected cocks is for us seconds class sex , which may be necessary for sailors and prostitutes but not for regular couples in happy marriages without bi husbands.

We have met a couple that had similar views as you. We are very adamant about our condom-only play and they were vocal about having to play with condoms and followed up with hopes to play bareback next time. Our views differ too much in regards to condoms with this particular couple so we have declined to have future playdates with them. As MrDiscover and cplnuswing have stated, one type of play isn't better than the other. We just accept that we each swing differently and part ways.

For all people here who commented our introduction: If you have a different view, why you interfere our introduction with your comments ? Did we asked you to comment our view? Did we comment your profile or introduction? Stay in your leagues and do not try to improve world from your limited view. Usually swinger are tolerant people and let everybody to keep his opinion and preferences without trying to teach or criticize other. Obviously we are wrong here

Did we asked you to comment our view?

Yes:

Are they any other couples with similar preferences here?

As for your latest statement,

(...)without trying to teach or criticize other.

, I'm asking myself how trying to teach and criticizing condom users with "half erected cocks", "sailors and prostitutes", "second class league" and "limited view" would fit in your view on the tolerant community.

Let's just agree to disagree and focus on the most important part: having a good time.

Kind regards,

MrDiscover

Well, I wish we had a different view but we agree with Hedonia. We revel in the wetness of sex. We tried condom sex but we found it as exciting as a bus ride. But, if a guy does break out a condom, fine. We're here to please, so whatever makes you the most comfortable.

Different strokes for different folks. You did ask if there were other people who felt the same (inviting others to comment even if they felt differently) and received comments from some people who feel the same and some who feel differently. There IS NO right answer to this just as there is no 'right' way to swing. Just enjoy yourselves, but you did challenge everyone by making some rather broad statements about how YOUR way is the 'right' way ("Working" with condoms and try to enjoy getting pleasure with half erected cocks is for us seconds class sex). I'm sure that there are thousands of people who have half erect cocks both with and without a condom (or the ED drug field would not be advertising so aggressively) and I'm sure that there are thousands of people who use condoms without any problems what-so-ever (or the condom manufacturers would be having problems selling their products). No right, no wrong, just different...all enjoyable.

For real, every time I glance at the title of this thread I suffer from an involuntary eye roll. Just had to get that out LOL

Second class? Sex is like pizza. Even when it's bad it's good.

We have always gone bareback. She has always had sex with people we knew and trusted.

New to swinging (haven't started)... My gf hates condoms and so do I, but we've been exclusive and have never had to use them with each other because of birth control. I was wondering what's the best way to establish a group of people who you know you can trust to be clean. Also, are there any scenes where you can be sure that randoms are clean? My gf has this fantasy of having me pass her around to get barebacked by a bunch of people we've never met, and we want to know if there's a way of doing that with minimal risk. Incurable diseases scare the hell out of me, but I still want to do this if it can be done safely.

Incurable diseases scare the hell out of me, but I still want to do this if it can be done safely.

Play at private, invitation-only house parties -- low risk

Play at open-door parties -- moderate risk

Finding a group of people who play only within a group -- very low probably. There is almost always somebody within the group who is not as exclusive as what they say.

With regards to the bi husband mention in the original post, I'm bi and have played bareback only with couples or men I trusted and knew well enough. Barebacking, cream pies and sloppy seconds/thirds with clean/non std cum is the best feeling in the world. Condoms only when I'm not sure of the person. The risk among bi/gay sex is too much if you don't know them well.

Scare me too. So does a hazard like being run over by a Greyhound bus. Risk can be managed.

 

Play at private, invitation-only house parties -- low risk

 

Play at open-door parties -- moderate risk

 

Finding a group of people who play only within a group -- very low probably. There is almost always somebody within the group who is not as exclusive as what they say.

My gf and I recently had a talk about risk vs reward. She reminded me that most STIs are curable, and how even if there was someone with one, it doesn't mean it will get transferred, so that makes me feel a bit better.

Invitation-only parties sounds ideal, but like I said, we have no idea about how to get into the social circles for that. Especially considering that we're looking for younger people. I used to party a fair bit in university, but I've never been to a sex party, and it was usually just chilling with close friends. I'm still planning on going back to university, although I don't think I'll be partying as much. We could probably get a bunch of ppl we know to join us, but one thing she wants to try is a gangbang where she doesn't know anyone there.

With regards to the bi husband mention in the original post, I'm bi and have played bareback only with couples or men I trusted and knew well enough. Barebacking, cream pies and sloppy seconds/thirds with clean/non std cum is the best feeling in the world. Condoms only when I'm not sure of the person. The risk among bi/gay sex is too much if you don't know them well.

Btw, are most bi guys cool with only being sexual with one partner in a mfm threesome? I don't want to invite a bi guy to a threesome only to find out that he really wanted to have sex with me as well. I'm sure most would still be fine with me being off limits, but I wouldn't want to ruin the mood for them. You know what I mean?

With that pizza, some of us prefer sausage, some prefer veggies. With sex, I don't think any of us really prefer condoms. I mean, how many of us wear condoms with our spouses or partners? Very few I suspect. But, when we prefer "swinging" to not swinging and we prefer not to worry about those STD's, so we go with the condom.

Veggies have NO REASON to EVER be on a pizza. On this, I have some VERY STRONG opinions! Meat, cheese, sauce, crust PERIOD! You don't find pizza in a salad bar and you shouldn't find salad on a pizza.

Veggies have NO REASON to EVER be on a pizza. On this, I have some VERY STRONG opinions! Meat, cheese, sauce, crust PERIOD! You don't find pizza in a salad bar and you shouldn't find salad on a pizza.

I don't think we can be friends.

I'm sorry we both have to feel this way but there are some crimes that go so against nature they cannot be overlooked. I still love your profile picture however...

I'm sorry we both have to feel this way but there are some crimes that go so against nature they cannot be overlooked. I still love your profile picture however...

I'm thinking you've never had a pleasure of a beef, mushroom and onion pizza. Otherwise you would see the error in your thinking.

I love veggies on my pizza, too! It's such an easy and tasty way to get your veggies in.

I mean, how many of us wear condoms with our spouses or partners?

Maybe it is a regional thing, but we did that for years and I know from friends we were far from the only ones. Reasons, as stated before, was the hormone part in most alternatives that ruined the libido.

OH my god this thread just never seems to stop giving, stop, you have me laughing to tears!!!

I tried really hard not to respond as I am currently pretty busy but just can not resist...ugh.

We love sex, swinging and feeling our sexual partners bareback including creampies and sloppy seconds. "Working" with condoms and try to enjoy getting pleasure with half erected cocks is for us seconds class sex

First it starts with the introduction, every time I read it I just die laughing….Condoms give you a half erect cock? You know they have drugs for that? Last time we were playing with others the ladies had me so hard I could chop wood. If the people you are with are so high quality why do you notice the condom at all?

which may be necessary for sailors and prostitutes

Second class sex is for SAILORS and PROSTITUTES...wholly shit that line kills me every time I read it. So as far as sailors go are we talking recreational, merchant marine or Navy? As far as prostitutes are we talking about the girls in Amsterdam’s red light district that are tested monthly (I think), and can basically blow chrome off a bumper. Seems like they would be safer, than the general population? I would guess you are referring more to the four floors of whores variety in Singapore that give the 18 to 20 year old males of the world’s Navies some kind of sexual relief? If you realize what the average Navy recruit on those ships realistically endure I think they deserve the service. As an aside, women that have sex for a living are AMAZINGLY good at it, you never notice the condom.

Either we exchange all liquids or no liquids = no sex. If we think contact with other person can lead to STD, we avoid any contact. Therefore we never go to swinger clubs and never fuck in darkrooms with unknown people. We are care about quality ans not quantity.

So your entire evaluation procedure for a couple to swing with is, are they a going to exchange liquids, please baby spit in my mouth, sorry just doesn’t come through as too sexy.

During the last ten years, we were swinging around with 10 couples bareback and either we or one these couples had never a STD.

I think you are in a very protected part of the world, which allows you to get away with results such as this. Last time I checked there were no major epidemics starting from Switzerland. Regardless, I think you should examine the consequences of exponents. The ten couples you exchanged fluids with, each exchanged with ten, you are now exposed to a hundred couples, two hundred people. They might have had sex with a prostitute, or should dare I say it, a sailor.

Are they any other couples with similar preferences here ? Sorry for our English and greetings from Switzerland / Europe

Yes there are, they just have a bit more tact. OH By the way, greeting from America!!

Sorry, we do not believe that "the fucking itself was almost as good as bare". Feeling pussy and its liquids as well as warmth of another cock is something totally different than feeling lubricants or Latex around your cock or in your pussy. IT IS SECOND CLASS SEX. We stay and play in the PREMIER LEAGUE and wish you pleasure in your league.

Ahh so if we are not having sex with couples who have passed some kind of mysterious sniff test for STD’s, in safe old Switzerland we are now a lower class, and not in the Premier League. Last time I checked the Premiere Leagues got the best players from around the globe. You know they ones that get stiff cocks regardless of condom use or not, or the woman that can do it...ooohhh did I just type that?

For all people here who commented our introduction: If you have a different view, why you interfere our introduction with your comments ? Did we asked you to comment our view? Did we comment your profile or introduction? Stay in your leagues and do not try to improve world from your limited view. Usually swinger are tolerant people and let everybody to keep his opinion and preferences without trying to teach or criticize other. Obviously we are wrong here

This is my favorite bit. After telling everybody how superior we are, we are now upset, no outraged that people would respond to being told we are having SECOND CLASS SEX. LMAO, and we should listen to the couple from Switzerland, as they sit up there on their Alp, and are omniscient to everything the world does.

Well, I wish we had a different view but we agree with Hedonia. We revel in the wetness of sex. We tried condom sex but we found it as exciting as a bus ride. But, if a guy does break out a condom, fine. We're here to please, so whatever makes you the most comfortable.

Hedonia, this is a tolerant view my friend, thanks JandKBoisie.

For real, every time I glance at the title of this thread I suffer from an involuntary eye roll. Just had to get that out LOL

This is why I love this thread.

Btw, are most bi guys cool with only being sexual with one partner in a mfm threesome? I don't want to invite a bi guy to a threesome only to find out that he really wanted to have sex with me as well. I'm sure most would still be fine with me being off limits, but I wouldn't want to ruin the mood for them. You know what I mean?

NoobHedonist, this is thread jacking, start a new thread bro, and I am sure people will be happy to answer your questions. You bad boy, I am sure your SO can figure out a suitable and exciting punishment.

We have always gone bareback. She has always had sex with people we knew and trusted.

I wouldn’t trust my own mother with what people tell me about their sex life, and yes I am serious. Be careful out there.

Veggies have NO REASON to EVER be on a pizza. On this, I have some VERY STRONG opinions! Meat, cheese, sauce, crust PERIOD! You don't find pizza in a salad bar and you shouldn't find salad on a pizza.

I'm thinking you've never had a pleasure of a beef, mushroom and onion pizza. Otherwise you would see the error in your thinking.

Isn’t Pizza one of the four food groups, whiskey, beans bacon and pizza, I’m confused? Why can’t we all just get along, sniff.

Maybe it is a regional thing, but we did that for years and I know from friends we were far from the only ones. Reasons, as stated before, was the hormone part in most alternatives that ruined the libido.

I have done it for years as well. I guess in the lower leagues we just have the women that get as hard as steel regardless of whether we wear a condom or not.

BRB, going to get a beer with Mr. Discover, a sailor and prostitute.

Great, kikonkrome!

I would be honored to buy you a beer and, if you are visiting my capital again, one of those monthly tested hookers too!