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Yikes.....THIS IS NOT what most of us think this lifestyle ought to be.  Your older friend who used you reminds of the very terrible things that happened to Linda Lovelace after her famous porn video ("Deep Throat").  Her BF (or husband?) literally "pimped her out" pretending it was a swinging date.

 

THIS IS SUPPOSE TO BE FUN!  It is suppose to be consensual and the ultimate gesture of unselfish sharing. 

 

It is encouraging to see the supportive comments of so many "regulars" and I hope YOUR spirits are lifted up bi their kindness and sympathy.

 

I hope you can "shake of the chaff" and find those precious pure seeds of WHEAT in your future.  FOCUS on THE MEMORY of how YOU FELT when you first started (the FUN parts, not the uncomfortable parts)!  Think about and FOCUS on the strangely ATTRACTIVE parts you shared with such tenderness and SEEK THAT.....if and when YOU so desire.

 

The LONGER I get to LIVE, the MORE I APPRECIATE "consensual desire!"  I grew TIRED of "begging for sex" and started "dating" a married couple to avoid a "Fatal Attraction."  I was VERY FORTUNATE.....and as I have matured, my "focus" has narrowed.  Nowadays, "porn" is plentiful and SPECIFIC.  The "BDSM" stuff does NOT TURN ME ON!  Further, IMHO, any MAN or WOMAN who "likes it" is flying a very large "RED FLAG" of selfish desire.  "Fifty Shades of Grey" WAS WRITTEN bi a woman.  However, the mathematical implications of how close one is to "black or white" (hard stuff....soft stuff) is a slippery slope.

 

UNLESS, ALL of YOU WOMEN develop and exercise "limit tests!"  Bi that I mean, set up a situation where the man thinks he is gonna FUCK YOU CRAZY...butt THEN say "how about we just hug in the nude and you go down on me for a hour and I'll go down on you for a hour."  THE ONLY "proper response is, "OK!" (spoken with a smile).

 

As a self identified smooth bisexual nudist, you'd be surprised how many MEN I end up "blocking" on a website I have been a "life member" of since 2005!  I do give them feedback, "too pushy, bye bye (instead of bi bi)"

 

"NO" means NO....."wait" means STOP.

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I'm so sorry to see this, but glad you're on track with a good support system, and that you've reached out to let us know you're safe. 

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So sorry to hear about the dark path you ended up on, but glad to hear that you found your way out of the darkness. You've certainly been missed here and we're glad to see that you have returned. Always know that we as a community are always here to provide whatever help and support that you need. Welcome home...

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You are strong, stay that way. Thank you for posting so others can read that swinging doesn’t always take a straight path. You are smart enough to take advice from the people who care about your welfare and health and dismiss the ugly remarks. 
You are a beautiful young lady that, look in the mirror every morning you will see her. 😘

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I appreciate the vulnerability, courage, and strength that it took for you to share your story here.  Glad to know that things are on the mend.  Despite the difficulty, it sounds like you have managed to find some positive growth from your experience with the help of some supportive people in your life.

Be Well.

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I love that people care about others. You must be a terrific person by the remarks I am reading. 

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On 7/6/2024 at 6:31 PM, hunterdonNJcpl said:

if your husband could have been more supportive your story would be very different.  I'm sure he enjoyed the threesomes he shared with you, but when the very real repercussions came home to roost he let you down.

Because of the guilt he will feel for what he did and the fact that he lost a wonderful woman, the likes of whom he will never find again, he will come to realize and regret the mistake he made in leaving her. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of his life.

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10 hours ago, Numex said:

Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of his life.

If you're going to steal a line, don't steal from the classics.

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Unfortunately divorce is extremely common today with almost half marriages failing. There are normally many factors leading to the separation with one extra incident that finally makes the breakup inevitable. Swinging is not an activity that saves marriages, it sometimes adds to a fractured relationship. 
My husband Alan said that marriages need time learn about spouses, get to know each other before taking the big step. Leah’s marriage started with swinging, her husband enjoyed a fantasy of sex with Leah’s girlfriends. It was her husband that insisted that his friend be a surrogate husband when he was away. The friend was the safe sexual partner. Alan said that was dangerous situation that would eventually become a problem. 
This is Leah’s thread, I don’t want to hijack it. We will reiterate that she is a great young lady though she isn’t that young anymore. She is well educated, smart, knows life and is street smart. Her divorce happened as so many others have, what is more concerning is the jerk she looked to as a rebound. The question is how she allowed a degenerate run her life, how he used her when she had so many friends she could have turned to for support. Why do women become subservient out of weakness? 
PS Leah doesn’t have a cat. 

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1 hour ago, cplnluv1 said:

Leah’s marriage started with swinging, her husband enjoyed a fantasy of sex with Leah’s girlfriends. It was her husband that insisted that his friend be a surrogate husband when he was away. The friend was the safe sexual partner. Alan said that was dangerous situation that would eventually become a problem. 

My insight into relationships is below average, and I was wrong here.  I thought that Leah's marriage would be strong because they entered it with her already having had a threesome with her girlfriend and that woman's boyfriend, and her husband knowing about it.  It seemed to me very mature of both of them.  Plus the relationship with her husband's friend seemed, to me, so appropriate.

 

1 hour ago, cplnluv1 said:

Why do women become subservient out of weakness?

None of us is perfect, especially being judged in hindsight by others.  And no one knows how they will respond in a moment of crisis, of weakness.  Any success that I have had in relationships is due to luck and the better character of others that I have relationships with.  

 

1 hour ago, cplnluv1 said:

This is Leah’s thread, I don’t want to hijack it.

The posts here, including yours, have been accretive to the original post, and I at least appreciate the insights.  Thank you.

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On 7/7/2024 at 3:03 AM, PSULioness said:

Hello

My name is Leah, also known as PSULioness an alumna of Pennsylvania State University where I belonged to a sorority I will not name. A little over 8 years ago I attended a football game with friends I knew from school that ended up a snowy day and a day that changed my life. 

I know some here think I was bullied and quit posting because of an individual saying nasty things to me which I only wish was the reason. I will now try to clear up any thoughts or questions on what happened in my life. If you are uninterested please skip my what may be lengthy history. 
 

First I want to thank a few friends who supported me through some trying times the last few years. I never thought I would seek guidance from older than me strangers who I found to be wiser. 
 

To continue, on that snowy day, a friend and guy friend convinced me to stay with them instead of driving in the snow. The 3 of us shared a bed in a local hotel which I agreed to innocently. At the time I was living with my future husband and was monogamous. You don’t need to be a scholar to figure what happened that night. To this day I don’t know how things went from innocent to much more. My girlfriend who was in the middle put her arm around me while I was sleeping then went further. How or why I didn’t stop her I can’t say. I never had any sexual desire for any girl in my life. I’ve told this story so many times I wonder how much is memory or how much is how I remember it. That night I became non-monogamous and had my first of many bi-sexual encounters. I’m not sure what bothered me more, the girlfriend or having sex with a guy I didn’t know. It was around that time I found out some of my sorority sisters were bi. 
That’s all background to me getting married, my husband getting to enjoy my friend’s openly sexual parties, me sharing my friends with him and me coming close with my husband’s best friend. Details aren’t important but his friend became my best friend when my husband traveled for business. My husband encouraged me, I didn’t do anything that he didn’t approve. My narrative turns now. At that point we decided to start a family and I became pregnant, something we were very happy about. That is when darkness set in, I had a feeling that his friend was the father. Stupidly I continued to be with our friend after stopping birth control. Call it bad timing, it had to be our friend. That is when my lies started, I had the pregnancy terminated, telling everyone I had a miscarriage. Dark days led to fights and a divorce. Darker days were ahead. I met a man who took me in. Older than me, he was a swinger and used me as an entree to parties. 
Things got worse after we moved to New England. He started to have friends come over just for sex. I swear he was a pimp, the men were nasty. I should have run away but had nowhere to go, I couldn’t admit what I was doing to my parents in NY. The sex also took a turn, he started being into sadism, spanking. The men he invited wanted to spank a young girl. He made me dress in school girl clothes for the men. I just couldn’t do it anymore and called a friend who saved me and moved me back to NJ. 
That is the reason I stopped posting, not because of nasty comments, I only wish that was the cause. 
 

I’m doing better now, moving on with my life with the help of good caring friends. Thank you to the friends I made here who check up on me and my well being. 
 

As my Dad would say “Peace”☮️

Sorry that happened to you, better times ahead. Good to see you back.

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7 hours ago, couplers said:

I thought that Leah's marriage would be strong because they entered it with her already having had a threesome with her girlfriend and that woman's boyfriend, and her husband knowing about it.  It seemed to me very mature of both of them. 

That very start foreshadowed what was to come. Her then boyfriend, future husband, left her when she told him about that night. We didn’t know them then, he only returned when she included him in the parties. 
In our history we found men who say they enjoy watching yet have deep feelings of jealousy. Even if he played with all of her friends he just went along with her desires. 

 

8 hours ago, couplers said:

Plus the relationship with her husband's friend seemed, to me, so appropriate.

The relationship with his friend was her husband’s safety net. He felt if he had a trusted friend watching out for Leah she would not look to other men. In reality she ran to that friend as soon as her husband went on business trips. Was it a romantic relationship or better sex I don’t know, Leah can’t or won’t say. I think a combination. 

 

8 hours ago, couplers said:

None of us is perfect, especially being judged in hindsight by others.  And no one knows how they will respond in a moment of crisis, of weakness. 

That is correct, we don’t want to judge. She found what she thought was a safe man, mature, older, what she called a professional. She was being taken care of, maybe a sugar baby. We all have kinks that can’t be judged, I say she was being abused. Leah told me this man became controlling, selecting men for her to have sex with. His big kink was spanking and watching others spank her. I don’t know what woke her up, even though she has opened up to me she still hides some of her ordeal. She is seeing a therapist, she says, that she says is what she needed. 
 

When I read posts I find myself analyzing the deeper meanings. I met too many women who I felt were pleasing someone else by meeting us. Some women hid this very well, I tried to catch those relationships before playing. Alan and I finally decided not to be the cause of abuse in those marriages and stopped what we were doing. 
 

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PSU class of 1990 here. My thoughts are with you, and my heart goes out. So sorry you had to go through this, but hopeful you're on the right path now. Stay strong.

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