Dr. Phil's Rebuttal show on swingers

[Guest Mr&Mrs-naughty]

I caught a commercial today and Dr Phil was having a show on Rebuttals from viewers on certain subjects. Swinging was one of them.

 

He had a sex therapist on and She did a very good job, in my opinion, on defending the lifestyle.

 

Her main objection to his show was that he said swinging "Never, Never, Ever works for anyone who tries it."

 

She pointed out that there are hundreds of thousands of swingers who are successful and happy. He referred to the couple he had on. She agreed, which she should have, that swinging was wrong for them.

 

Again she drove home the fact that he was wrong to say it Never will work for anyone, ever because it does.

 

She told him about lifestyle conventions and swinger sites (none by name) and recommend he go to a convention and see for himself how happy swinger couples can be.

 

He responded in all his profound ignorance "I don't want to, I am afraid I would catch something".

 

He told her in ALL his 30 years of research he has never seen a successful swinging couple.

 

She responded by suggesting that he do some more research.

 

I don't know if anyone else saw this show but I give her a two thumbs up for trying to shed the true positive light that so many find in swinging.

[TNT 1,155]

Cool...I like her

 

Teresa

[Guest Mr&Mrs-naughty]

I figured I would add that after I saw the commercial I decided to watch it.

I didn't get all that from the commercial.

[Rombi's Girl 15]

I saw the show. I taped it and the original show for my partner to watch. So far he hasn't. I agree that Dr. Phil sounded old fashioned when he said that swinging never works, ever. But I also thought that there was something to be considered.

 

Most swingers are married. Most marriage vows include the phrase, "forsaking all others". I just wonder how all the religious and married swingers that desire "honesty" resolve this issue. I mean, did, or did most couples declare before a God of their understanding, in front of family and friends this sacred vow?

 

I've been a swinger for 9 years. I am divorced from my first and last husband. Since I don't plan to stop swinging, I don't think I will likely remarry because of that. I know that you can write any vows you'd like to take. But I have an old fashioned view of marriage. And it includes the view point that my husband should be the only possible father of my children. Yes, I am a safe sex swinger. I also like the "forsaking all others" part of vows. I just wish I could live up to that. I'd very much want my future husband to "forsake all others". I'd want him to want me, not other women. I personally know some swinging couples that have a "no kissing" rule, and while I respect this limit, I think it is silly. IMO, if sex with another person that you're not married to is OK, then anal and kissing should be too.

 

I am very prepared to receive lots of hate mail by stating these opinions. I am quite popular with the swinging smokers that I have told that I am thrilled that my city has a public smoking ban. The ban prohibits smoking in bars and restaurants. I can now go out for the evening w/o smelling like an ashtray.

 

Back to the topic, I enjoy sex. I enjoy my partner more than I like sleeping around at swing clubs. The day that he says this lifestyle makes him feel empty, and that he desires a porn free, exclusive union, I will have some tough thinking to do. I mean, I hate porn. But monogamy has always been tough for me, because I have usually settled for my needs not being met by my partners and have looked outside my primary relationship to try to satisfy those needs.

 

Is it possible that I am the only swinger that wishes my primary relationship satisfied all me emotional and sexual needs?

 

Does everyone want to line up to those tomatoes at me?

 

Will I be called a Dr. Phil groupie just because I feel this way?

 

If you don't feel brave enough to support me here on this thread, then feel free to send me a PM (email).

 

Otherwise, if you feel the need to flame and shame me, please direct your negative comments here, as I will be following this thread like the news, several times a day. Don't mean to hijack the OP's thread. I just wanted to share my opinion.

[TNT 1,155]

Hi RG... and Welcome to the Board.

 

I don't think you will be flamed for your post as that is not the way things are done here. You will however probably get a lot of different opinions on it, but they won't be flaming you.

 

As to your comments on marriage vows...take a look at this thread Swingers Wedding

and you should get a better understanding of what a lot of us feel about them.

 

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Is it possible that I am the only swinger that wishes my primary relationship satisfied all me emotional and sexual needs?

 

Sorry to disappoint you but my husband does satisfy all my emotional and sexual needs as I do his...we don't have to swing, we swing because it's fun and we want to but it's not because we aren't totally satisfied with each other.

 

Teresa

[funtoplay 15]

As having been raised in a traditional RC home, it was always understood that when we got married, that was it. Fortunately, while being a devout practising RC, my mother also taught me to be independant and to think for my self. I have no trouble with, nor do I feel that I have broken the "forsaking all others" vow. My husband is the one I love. It is that simple.

 

I would ask one question of RG....there is a link on this site to the Liberated Christians website. Have you checked it out? I would highly recommend it to anyone having the same faith vs. swinging crisis as you seem to be having. Believe me...I don't want you to think that I am "flaming" you. I can only hope that you will come to the same sense of peace with yourself that I feel inside me.

[Rombi's Girl 15]

... I have no trouble with, nor do I feel that I have broken the "forsaking all others" vow. My husband is the one I love. It is that simple.

 

I would ask one question of RG....there is a link on this site to the Liberated Christians website. Have you checked it out? I would highly recommend it to anyone having the same faith vs. swinging crisis as you seem to be having. Believe me...I don't want you to think that I am "flaming" you. I can only hope that you will come to the same sense of peace with yourself that I feel inside me.

 

Thank you to TNT for the welcome. Thanks to funtoplay for the suggestion to the link. Not to flame you either, but the "forsaking all others" vows don't say anything about the difference between loving another person and sexual relations with other people. To forsake means: 1) To give up (something formerly held dear); renounce. 2) To leave altogether; abandon

 

I am not a Christian. And I really do not think that I am having a crisis of faith. I have a healthy outlook of the god of my understanding. I love my partner. More to the point, I love the way I feel when I am around him, and when I show him through "acts of service" that I love him.

 

(acts of service = making coffee, starting his car in the morning, scraping off his windows of snow and/or ice, buying his favorite food items, scratching his back, things that are for his benefit, things that affect his comfort, things that he really notices, etc...) Acts of service, refers to one of the 5 Love Languages. (a book by a Christian author, Mark Chapman) A book I highly recommend, whether you identify as a Christian or not.

 

I don't feel flamed. Yet. As for a sense of peace, I'll have to get back to you. I've been in the lifestyle for 9+yrs, with two different partners, at two different times in my life. I am NOT the jealous type. Do I feel peace? I am not weirded out by sex. Feel no guilt about my desires, either.

 

Is it possible to restate my eariler opinion? What I should have said is I wish my partner found that all of his needs were satisified by our primary relationship. I feel highly motivated to satisify his needs. Am I wrong to wish he felt as strongly? If you saw Dr. Phil's first show on swinging, the husband said he wished that they has a "normal sex life". I feel where he is coming from. In my past, both men were the driving force in the swing relationship. Now that I have been doing it for nearly 10 yrs, I am not sure that I could give it up. I truly feel that primary relationships should be completely satisifing.

 

However in the real world, it is often difficult to separate from those that do not meet all of our needs. The devil you know, vs. the devil you don't, and all. Most people, both men and women are willing to settle for less than their ideal.

 

I don't know where I am going with all of this. But I don't want to be guilty of hijacking a thread, so I will be a good girl, and check out that link. And if I feel it is necessary, I will start a new thread.

 

I truly apprerciate the welcome, and the link on vows - I'll check it out after I hit "submit reply".

 

Thanks to everyone for reading my message.

[BradAndJanet 70]

Rombi said:

... Most swingers are married. Most marriage vows include the phrase' date=' "forsaking all others". I just wonder how all the religious and married swingers that desire "honesty" resolve this issue. I mean, did, or did most couples declare before a God of their understanding, in front of family and friends this sacred vow? ...

 

Technically, we would be guilty of that, but I suppose that it depends on the definition of 'forsake'. I don't love anyone else (in the husband-wife sense) but Janet, so I don't believe that I have forsaken her by having sex with others with her blessing. Anyway, we have the traditional vows that were said because of her overbearing family, and then we have what is in our hearts for each other. The latter is what's important, but maybe at our 25th anniversary in a few years, we'll pick something we want to say.

 

As for the good Dr., has it never occurred to him in all his 30 years of 'research' that people with good relationships don't usually need therapists? Why would a happy swinging couple go see him? Dr. deVal is right, he needs to get out more...

[Mrs Spoomonkey 118]

BradAndJanet said:

As for the good Dr., has it never occurred to him in all his 30 years of 'research' that people with good relationships don't usually need therapists? Why would a happy swinging couple go see him? Dr. deVal is right, he needs to get out more...

 

Great point Brad I saw the commercial for the show and missed when it was on so I didn't get to see it. I'm glad he had someone on "our" side on the show. It does sound like he needs to do more research especially if he is counseling people in the lifestyle who are having problems.

[intuition897 2,179]

A friend of mine taped the original show for me and I need to pick up the tape. Still haven't seen the rebuttal show. Hmmm, I think I like Dr. Robyn. Philsie says it never, ever works...ever. And he has never seen swinging work in all his 30 years of "research". And yet he refuses to go to a swingers convention because he's afraid he might catch something????? Oh...my...God. What an idiot. Nobody asked him to have sex with them. I suppose he doesn't like to be in the same room as an AIDS victim either for fear of catching it, eh? Sounds like he needs to update his knowledge of STD's. And I really can't say I have much respect for his "research". He won't go to a convention or talk to 'real' swingers because the man doesn't want to be proven wrong. Period.

 

Rombi's Girl, Welcome to the board! I don't have specific links to threads here about vows but I will offer my opinion, since you asked. While everyone is entitled to believe what they will, and swing for whatever reasons they choose, I feel that perhaps your reasons for swinging could stand to be examined a little more closely. If you feel that what you are doing is wrong, and you are simply accepting that you are being bad and doing something wrong, I don't think that's a healthy place to start in the lifestyle. If you are doing this because you are unsatisfied in your relationship with your significant other, that's a red flag for me as well. Mr. and I do this because we are so satisfied with one another, and this is just another way for us to express our love. We had a traditional wedding and vows, and while others may interpret what we do as a blatant violation of those vows, I don't feel that it is. I have forsaken all others. There is no one else on earth that I put as a higher priority than my husband. While he and I would each gladly give our lives for our children, aside from that he is my main priority. I think that, because we weren't swingers when we were first married, our vows could stand to be updated. Maybe someday we will. But until, I'm not losing any sleep over it.

[Bella&Cooper 15]

RG,

 

I find it ironic that you are concerned about the line of vows specifying "forsaking all others" and yet you broke the key part of your original vows "til death do us part". This isn't a judgement on the validity of your divorce on my part. Merely an observation.

 

I think like most texts that are bible/church based, there are a lot of ways to interpret it and for many, forsaking all others, means that you will not leave behind your spouse for someone else. A relationship with others with the consent of your spouse would be considered to adhere to that vow for many couples.

 

I will say that if your conscience tells you that what you are doing is wrong, for whatever reason, then one should definitly abstain.

 

I haven't seen the Dr.Phil episodes but it disappoints me that he would be so strongly opposed to it without being willing to do effective research.

[DBL D 120]

Dr. Robin caught him off guard a couple times and he showed that he really lacked any kind of informed opinion about what swinging is supposed to be about. I think he took the hook though and lord help THAT household when he decides it's worth a try.

 

Male D

[WesternSwing 504]

I've said it before, Dr. Phil is an idiot.

 

Mr&Mrs-naughty said:

I caught a commercial today and Dr Phil was having a show on Rebuttals from viewers on certain subjects. Swinging was one of them.

 

He had a sex therapist on and She did a very good job, in my opinion, on defending the lifestyle.

 

 

Her main objection to his show was that he said swinging "Never, Never, Ever works for anyone who tries it."

She pointed out that there are hundreds of thousands of swingers who are successful and happy. He referred to the couple ha had on. She agreed, which she should have, that swinging was wrong for them.

 

Well it was. Of course he choose a couple that supported HIS view of swinging. A happy mainstream swinging couple would have shutdown his whole point of the show. Dr. Phil is not an objective person at all.

 

Mr&Mrs-naughty said:

Again she drove home the fact that he was wrong to say it Never will work for anyone, ever because it does.

She told him about lifestyle conventions and swinger sites (none by name) and recommend he go to a convention and see for himself how happy swinger couples can be.

 

He responded in all his profound ignorance "I don't want to, I am afraid I would catch something".

 

That statement alone shows how opinionated and closed-minded he is.

 

Mr&Mrs-naughty said:

He told her in ALL his 30 years of research he has never seen a successful swinging couple.

 

She responded by suggesting that he do some more research.

 

Well what did he think? He was a marriage counselor for cryin' out loud! Happy, well adjusted couples didn't spend $100+ an hour to talk with him. Only unhappy couples on the verge of divorce. What a sham he is.

[sensuality 2]

Rombi's Girl:

I completely "get" what you are saying about the forsaking all others and wishing you were everything your SO needs and vice versa.Even though I am totally fine with the lifestyle and swinging in and of itself...I have to say there are times when I wonder/think about this very same thing.

 

I always come to the same conclusion and that is that humans are innately selfish people....for the most part...I may get raked across the coals here too...so I'm expecting it!!

 

We could forsake all others to the extreme that we never have sexual relations with anyone else,but would we be happy? There's always that thought in the back of your mind, that "what if"? Especially if you are a very sexual person...which my hunny and I both are. I know a lot of you will get upset that I have said humans are selfish, and self-centered,however, if you really look inside yourselves...we all are self-centered to some degree.

 

That doesn't mean we aren't empathetic or loving or anything of the sort, because humans can also be very caring and UN-selfish at times. But, swinging involves the self...A LOT! It also requires a very open mind...and that can take time.

 

I think each individual has their own definition of what "forsaking all others" means to them, and as long as each couple agrees within their union, it really doesn't matter what anyone else sees the term as.

[CuriousElders 15]

We watched Dr. Phil for the first time because we were alerted about the content. We found him to be a pompous, rigid traditionalist with apparent intolerance in regard to the views and activities that diverge from his own. No need to watch Dr. Phil again.

[SuenRon 15]

I dunno, you guys...My husband does satisfy me sexually and emotionally (been married 31 years). Swinging to us is simply recreational. I don't think that a happy, well adjusted, committed couple really looks at swinging as a way to a more meaningful primary relationship. This sounds silly, but swinging is as much recreational as boating, or bowling, or anything else that you can do together. Dr. Phil is a pompous ass who happens to have a medium that reaches millions of people. Too bad he didn't take a cue from his mentor, Oprah, who actually did a pretty good job on the subject last year!

~Sue

[inbeachcouple 15]

The wife Tivo'ed it. I'm no Dr. Phil fan, although I admire his style alot of the times. The problem I had was that he didn't back anything up with facts. He also would divert attention away with jokes when he knew he had no out. The whole " I'm afraid I'd catch something" line when asked if he'd ever been to a lifestyle convention, for example. Also, if you really pay attention, you can see how the whole thing is edited down. Show me the ENTIRE UNEDITED segment and I can almost guarentee you he looks like a fool. Even the Mrs., who is a Phil phan agrees that he is being way too closed minded to make an 'educated' (as he so likes to put it) decision.

[Rombi's Girl 15]

Rombi's Girl:

I completely "get" what you are saying about the forsaking all others and wishing you were everything your SO needs and vice versa.

 

Thanks for the back up, sensuality. I knew that there had to be others out there of a like mind.

 

 

RG,

I find it ironic that you are concerned about the line of vows specifying "forsaking all others" and yet you broke the key part of your original vows "til death do us part".

 

I don't recall saying that I cheated on my ex-husband. That isn't a denial. But believe me, sex had nothing to do with my divorce.

 

I just wonder how the swingers that identify themselves as Christians (or any other self labeled, devout religious follower) handle the issue of adultry. ANY sex with a partner you are not married to, when you yourself are married - or you are single, but the sexual partner is married to another is adultry by definition. I don't lose any sleep over this because I am not devout. I was wondering how those that claim to seek honesty feel about this dichotomy.

 

 

If you feel that what you are doing is wrong, and you are simply accepting that you are being bad and doing something wrong, I don't think that's a healthy place to start in the lifestyle.

 

I also never said I felt that swinging made me feel bad, dirty, or wrong. And as for a place to start? It's a little late to be "starting" some 9 years after I got started.

 

Mr. and I do this because we are so satisfied with one another...

 

If all your needs are being met at home, then why do either of you feel the need to look outside your relationship for sex?

 

As for myself, I cannot fill all my partners needs when he claims that he needs "strange". That he would be bored if he couldn't have sex with several different women. I myself like the comfort of my partner. He knows what I like and the sex is good. I find it occaisionally hard to achieve an orgasm with a new partner, whether in swinging or just starting out a new romantic relationship.

 

I do wish we did more soft swapping. It sometimes bothers me that I don't get off as easily as I see other women do. That is as far as it goes to make me feel "bad". I think that I stated a couple of times that I don't know if I want to give up swinging. Occaisionally I do get off with a new partner, and have been lucky enough to swing with some really incredibly well endowed men, and some enthusiastically bisexual women. That to me has made this lifestyle worth while. But I have to confess that I think it is a crock of shit when I hear some couples say "how much swinging has done for their relationship". I am very hard pressed to think of a single thing that swinging has done to enhance mine. *steps off soap box*

 

Peace,

RG

Surrender

[Guest Mr&Mrs-naughty]

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If all your needs are being met at home, then why do either of you feel the need to look outside your relationship for sex?

 

Because it is fun. It CAN be that simple, really, it can.

 

BTW,

I don't think the "Ironic" statement made by someone else had anything to do with you cheating.

 

I think their point was that you yourself broke your own vows by getting a divorce, assuming you did use the words "Till death do us part" in your vows.

[TNT 1,155]

Rombi said:

If all your needs are being met at home' date=' then why do either of you feel the need to look outside your relationship for sex?

 

For us it is not a need , but because it's fun and we want to and we can, simply as that. A need to us is something that you can't live without, where as both of us would be extremely happy without swinging with no regrets that we were no longer involved with it.

 

 

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But I have to confess that I think it is a crock of shit when I hear some couples say "how much swinging has done for their relationship". I am very hard pressed to think of a single thing that swinging has done to enhance mine.

 

I don't think that you can really say it's a ''crock of shit" when you hear how swinging has improved and/or enhanced a relationship, since all relationships are different and just because it hasn't enhanced your relationship, does not mean that it hasn't others.

 

Swinging does change a relationship, whether its for the better or worse depends on the where the relationship was when swinging began. It will make a great relationship even better and bad relationship even worse.

 

As far the religious part of your posts...even though we were married in a church (to make family happy) neither one of us are religious at all so it plays no part whatsoever on our decision to swing as our vows were made to each other, not family, friends, or any God and we are the ones that determine how they are interpreted and no one else.

 

 

Teresa

[Mrs Spoomonkey 118]

TNT said:

For us it is not a need , but because it's fun and we want to and we can, simply as that. A need to us is something that you can't live without, where as both of us would be extremely happy without swinging with no regrets that we were no longer involved with it.

 

I don't think that you can really say it's a ''crock of shit" when you hear how swinging has improved and/or enhanced a relationship, since all relationships are different and just because it hasn't enhanced your relationship, does not mean that it hasn't others.

 

Swinging does change a relationship, whether its for the better or worse depends on the where the relationship was when swinging began. It will make a great relationship even better and bad relationship even worse.

Teresa

 

Thank you TNT I was getting ready to respond to Rombi's Girl's post and read yours. You said it perfectly so all I can say is Dito.

[intuition897 2,179]

I just wonder how the swingers that identify themselves as Christians (or any other self labeled, devout religious follower) handle the issue of adultry. ANY sex with a partner you are not married to, when you yourself are married - or you are single, but the sexual partner is married to another is adultry by definition. I don't lose any sleep over this because I am not devout. I was wondering how those that claim to seek honesty feel about this dichotomy.

 

We don't need to 'handle' the issue of adultery because (for crying out loud, how many times does this need to be repeated??) what we do is the exact opposite of adultery! I'm sorry if this offends anyone for me to start spouting about religion here, but you asked for it Rhombi's Girl. Anyone who doesn't want to hear my view of swinging vs. religion skip to the next paragraph. Polygamy was the rule of the day in biblical times. Solomon had something like 700 wives. God gave these women to him as a gift! King David (I believe) killed a man because he wanted (coveted) the man's wife; God said to him (paraphrased), "If you needed more women, you should've just asked me and I would've given you as many women as you want. But instead you have killed this man because you were jealous of what he had." Over and over again, adultery is always accompanied by deceit and dishonour. The reason sex is always involved in these examples of adultery is because that is simply the means by which people can most thoroughly and deeply wound one another. Where the Bible commands us to 'keep the marriage bed pure', that says to me that there should never be anything impure, hurtful or damaging done in that bed. Sex isn't any of those things; it is only when sex is abused instead of respected as the powerful communication tool that it is, that we find any of these negative things. I don't know about you, but we only invite friends into OUR bed, and no one is looking to hurt or deceive anyone.

 

I also never said I felt that swinging made me feel bad, dirty, or wrong. And as for a place to start? It's a little late to be "starting" some 9 years after I got started.

 

I'm sorry but I can't help but feel offended by much of this post. I assumed you were just starting out as 9 years is quite a long time to go without resolving a conflict of conscience. You'll rarely find me at church, but I do have strong beliefs, and I know I'd lose my mind if I didn't resolve my concerns about the spiritual consequences of my actions. Mr. intuition has never had any problem with it as he's not religious. I know you've said that you are not devout, but it must bother you at least a little if you felt the need to ask us about it?

 

 

If all your needs are being met at home, then why do either of you feel the need to look outside your relationship for sex?

 

Because we can. This isn't about me nor him not being satisfied. It isn't all about getting laid! It's about allowing each other freedom to do as we please. Sex with other people is lots of fun, but it's not something we feel a need to do. It has about as much appeal as playing cards or bowling. It's just that everyone's naked. I like to say that it's a gift that you give and graciously receive, not something you ask for or expect.

 

As for myself, I cannot fill all my partners needs when he claims that he needs "strange". That he would be bored if he couldn't have sex with several different women.

 

This says to me that you guys aren't getting all you could be out of the swinging experience.

 

But I have to confess that I think it is a crock of shit when I hear some couples say "how much swinging has done for their relationship". I am very hard pressed to think of a single thing that swinging has done to enhance mine.

 

Well Rhombi's Girl, you're entitled to your opinion. As I said before, I don't think you're getting the full experience out of swinging if your relationship is not improving. And in case anyone is wondering, swinging does NOT ruin marriages as some people claim; people ruin marriages. Swinging is a relationship building tool. If a carpenter built a table and it showed shoddy workmanship, do you blame the hammer? Or the guy holding it? A couple will get out of swinging whatever they decide to put into it.

 

Hoo boy. This is an ugly post.

[Guest Mr&Mrs-naughty]

Hoo boy. This is an ugly post.

 

But a needed one.

[Spoomonkey 421]

Hoo boy. This is an ugly post.

 

Ugly...

 

But spot on!

 

Thanks for posting it!

 

Spoomonkey

[Alura 2,774]

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Intuition wrote:

 

Hoo boy. This is an ugly post.

 

 

Nope. I reckon I'd describe it as "beautiful."

[newmajor00 48]

Just two comments:

 

The first about Dr. Phils' statement that in 30 years of practice, he's never met a happy "swinger" couple. I'm not a Dr. Phil expert, nor have I actually watched him, but aren't all his clients unhappy people anyway? My wife and I have never met the guy, and we're a very happily married swinging couple.

 

The second one I need a little help with. I remember watching "Nightline" or something similar to that, in which some accredited psychologist was commissioned by a large church organization to research swinging. His finding were NOT what was anticipated. His findings were that swingers were some of the happiest, most well adjusted married folks he'd ever studied. This was about two years ago, I may have the details of what researcher and what organization incorrect, but I clearly remember the results.

[intuition897 2,179]

Thanks for the supportive comments guys; I didn't know how well my views on this subject would be received.

 

newmajor00 said:

Just two comments:

 

The first about Dr. Phils' statement that in 30 years of practice, he's never met a happy "swinger" couple. I'm not a Dr. Phil expert, nor have I actually watched him, but aren't all his clients unhappy people anyway? My wife and I have never met the guy, and we're a very happily married swinging couple.

 

The second one I need a little help with. I remember watching "Nightline" or something similar to that, in which some accredited psychologist was commissioned by a large church organization to research swinging. His finding were NOT what was anticipated. His findings were that swingers were some of the happiest, most well adjusted married folks he'd ever studied. This was about two years ago, I may have the details of what researcher and what organization incorrect, but I clearly remember the results.

 

newmajor00, I agree. That point has been brought up before. So much of what was originally shot on Dr. Phil's show was apparently edited out...for example, the fact that "Robyn the Sex Therapist" is in fact DR. Robyn. She's an accredited therapist with a PhD. who specializes in sex therapy and marital relationships. She has her own website and you can listen to a streaming audio version of her radio broadcasts (The Dr. Robin and Madam Shari Show). There's a link above to the Feb. 18th broadcast that focuses on her experience on the Dr. Phil show. It's very good.

 

Regarding your second comment, if you have a link to the findings and origin of that research study please do post it! I'd be very interested to know the details. My guess is that after the church that sponsored the research found out the unexpected results it was likely swept under the rug (Study on swinging?? What study on swinging? )

[warkman 31]

intuition897 said:

My guess is that after the church that sponsored the research found out the unexpected results it was likely swept under the rug (Study on swinging?? What study on swinging? )

 

Just saw the movie "Inside Deep Throat" and evidently the Nixon administration sponsored research into the effect of pornography on society -- and when they didn't get the negative results they were looking for, did exactly that. Then they went ahead with their "War on Smut" anyway.

 

BTW-Great post a while back Intuition!

[sensuality 2]

Well...geez! Whatever happened to "Thou Shalt Not Judge"? I think as I said initially, as long as a couple is okay within their own union...it does not matter what anyone else thinks or doesn't think about swinging! ENOUGH SAID!

[DBL D 120]

We have both tried to live our lives where we don't judge anyone who is making a honest effort to live their life without hurting anyone.

 

I have listened to a bit of the Dr. Robyn show and they do have some fun with the fact that Phil seems so rigid. I say that even though he tells you when he is offering you a personal opinion, he makes himself out to be an ass. Most of his topics are pretty well thought out but he should probably leave alone subjects that can't be talked about in an objective, frank and open manner -- without the bluster!

 

Male D