Do you swing bareback?

[Atilla 16]

How many of you actually do it??? This thread is inspired by the creampie post in Fetishes. After reading some of the comments, it made me wonder where safe sex is these days and how many people actually use safe sex.

 

Yeah, I'd love to go bareback too but unless we're meeting people who we have no doubts are safe, I'm not going there. There's too much STD's to worry about.

 

Thoughts and comments please

[intuition897 2,179]

Mr. intuition and I have done it Atilla, but only with one couple. It was an ongoing relationship with them, and we felt very comfortable with them. It's certainly not something we'd try without a LOT of discussion beforehand, nor with people we didn't know. It's a scary world out there. I mean, hey! I'm all for bareback if you can do it without the risk of contracting something...especially something potentially deadly. Condoms bite the big one, but they're a helluva lot better than spending your last hours in the CPU wishing you'd used one.

[ALilOEverything 901]

We only have once with a couple we've known for years who didn't swing until us. Otherwise I don't know we would have considered it. I don't feel like I'm losing that much by having a condom used (but then again I'm not the guy) so the benefits outweigh the risks. Even though the chances are small of contracting something I would never forgive myself and I would never be able to go back and do it over again.

[CandTinLorainCo 16]

Mr. intuition and I have done it Atilla, but only with one couple. It was an ongoing relationship with them, and we felt very comfortable with them. It's certainly not something we'd try without a LOT of discussion beforehand, nor with people we didn't know. It's a scary world out there. I mean, hey! I'm all for bareback if you can do it without the risk of contracting something...especially something potentially deadly. Condoms bite the big one, but they're a helluva lot better than spending your last hours in the CPU wishing you'd used one.

 

Exactly........ T and I were going bareback with a couple we had a long Vanilla relationship with, then out of pregnancy concerns, we decided to go with condoms again, well now no more pregnancy concerns were back to barebacking again. That though being said, our relationship with these people has been there for years and neither one has done anything to warrant a disease concern, if we swing with another whom we don't have this one of a kind relationship with, then it is condom city for us again.

[tribbles 490]

I would never forgive myself and I would never be able to go back and do it over again.

 

Lilo,

Since the risk is only less, but not 0% even with a condom, I think it's important to plan ahead how to cope with the possibility of catching something. If I can't forgive myself when thinking it could happen, it would be worse if it does.

 

The risk is real and we have agreed to take the risk and forgive and cope if it occurs. Otherwise the fallout in our relationship would be too costly and we should stop swinging now, IMHO.

 

BTW, we do insist on condoms, but as other threads say, HSV and HPV aren't totally stopped by one.

 

D is one of five children, three of them were conceived through condoms. I guess he is suppose to be here!

[ALilOEverything 901]

Lilo,

Since the risk is only less, but not 0% even with a condom, I think it's important to plan ahead how to cope with the possibility of catching something. If I can't forgive myself when thinking it could happen, it would be worse if it does.

 

I'm willing to take the risk as life isn't without it's risks. But if I caught something and new that I could have lessen the chance I'm sure I would replay it in my mind over and over... why didn't I take chances to reduce it. It's like riding in a car. I'm going to ride in one regardless, but I'm going to buckle up to make sure that it's as safe as possible. If I got in a wreck I would never be able to go back and put that seat belt on.

 

Nothing is 100%, but why not make it as close to that while still living life.

[BradAndJanet 70]

We've done it with people we have grown to know and trust.

[cmwgimmekiss 15]

I agree. Every little bit helps. We always use something to reduce the risks as much as possible. We also had one couple where we decided to go without because we were both using condoms with everyone else. Now we are in a foursome relationship so we don't use them with our BF/GF, but with everyone else - they're required.

[confunktion 20]

We've only gone without with a couple that we had a long relationship with, and that decision was made after a few months of encounters with protection. It was a decision that all four of us made together, so the level of trust needed was reached. We have no problem whatsoever with those who prefer to use something; as long as everyone is in agreement, we roll with it.

 

Mr. Funk

Ride 'em, cowgirl/boy

[Atilla 16]

we've never ever done it without a condom. We take condoms just in case the people we're meeting don't have. But after reading the creampie post, it really made me wonder.

[Paul&Audrey 21]

Bareback is pretty much a must for the type of fun Baremama & I are into. She usually runs a potential partner through the grinder as she gets to know them before ever allowing them to join us for FFM pleasures.

 

~~bare~~

[Brizzle 15]

(quote) She usually runs a potential partner through the grinder as she gets to know them...

 

- Does that usually include testing? Or does anybody get tested regularly just in case? I know of several people that will require their new partner to get tested before any activity is performed. Just one way to try and lower the risks...

[Paul&Audrey 21]

She usually runs a potential partner through the grinder as she gets to know them...

 

- Does that usually include testing? Or does anybody get tested regularly just in case? I know of several people that will require their new partner to get tested before any activity is performed. Just one way to try and lower the risks...

 

Not each and every one of them.

[Atilla 16]

She usually runs a potential partner through the grinder as she gets to know them...

 

- Does that usually include testing? Or does anybody get tested regularly just in case? I know of several people that will require their new partner to get tested before any activity is performed. Just one way to try and lower the risks...

 

But on this note, the tests may not come back positive yet and they actually have something. Sometimes it takes a while for the STD to build up enough to be detected by a test. This isn't even safe. For example, if you slept with someone who later told you they had Hepatitis, you could go rush out and get the test done the next day but it would be negative. Further down the road, it would be positive.

 

I guess originally I was just trying to figure out what these people who were posting responses to the creampie post were thinking of. Were they just posting that it would be fantasy for them to do that OR are they actually stupid enough to do that?

[highlander 21]

but on this note, the tests may not come back positive yet and they actually have something. Sometimes it takes a while for the STD to build up enough to be detected by a test.

 

Conventional tests will get anyone who has been infected more than 6 months ago. Actually _most_ folks infected the last 6 months will show up. So the question is : what percent of folks that are HIV+ got it the last 6 months?

Right now, that would be around 2.4% (there are 1 million HIV+ folks in the US and something like 40,000 new cases. The problem is those folks are exceptionally contagious-and a single encounter with them has a much higher chance of transmission than with someone who has had the disease a while.

 

They've recently introduced some newer tests in San Francisco and North Carolina. Those tests will catch infection after 10 days (the name of the test is NAAT).

 

Now, here's the implication for bareback swinging: most swingers don't play outside their relationship THAT often (I know some do every weekend, but they are exceptional). Furthermore, lots of folks play in the same general circle. Also, the odds of TWO folks lying about what has gone on the last 10 days is a lot less than one person lying. So there is now a technology that makes bareback swinging in a club setting much safer if used consistently (say everyone in the club gets tested ever 2-3 months).

 

Now, you can also make swinging with condoms safer by introducing testing as an additional measure-and swinging with testing alone won't be as safe ass swinging with both testing and condoms.

[Guest ncdragonpair]

Bareback is fun, but it can be even more of a headache. I agree with nearly everything said, as far as protecting oneself goes. I had up until my current bareback fest with my gal, only gone bareback once with an ex. I took my life in my hands, but the rush was incredible. An incredible rush that I now understand I don't need. I have found other safer and legal ways to get a similar type of rush in excitement. However, I knew going in what to expect from my gal. I knew to expect to contract hsv/hpv, and it's a decision I don't regret.

 

The only thing we ever used condoms for was preventing pregnancy. She has a five year IUD now, since condoms (when we used them) were annoying, creme was messy, and pulling out wasn't as fun as flooding the scene. It also cut down the pleasure for me pulling out. Condoms didn't really take much away from the experience for me, so if we ever do find a couple who is infected as we are, then I will adjourn them again. We've met some people locally, been invited to parties we could not attend, etc, even with the status on our profile. However, we have not yet found someone to share our bed as of yet. We watch porn with friends, give massages, masturbate in front of one another occasionally (mostly my gal and a friend while I am at work on 3rd), etc, but nothing more than vanilla acts. Everyone we adore either is afraid of even kissing (which we understand), is just not a sexual person even though they're curious about a relationship (issues they need to work out in themselves before they commit to someone else), or are off limits even if they also have hsv or hpv (usually their kids/job makes it difficult). Often those we adore don't have both hsv types, and/or hpv or our friendship is too valuable to potentially lose. We're not very good newbie swingers it seems. lol

 

So, as a young man with only two woman penetrated under his belt, wielding as sensitive a cock as anyone else, I do believe going without condoms has no excuse unless you know you want to draw a disease into yourself. Until you are ok with getting a disease, as I was, then you should wrap it up if you want to play, with one woman/man, or many. I'm all for bareback in the right cases, or I would be wrapping right now. I don't intend to go bareback with anyone else, as my new gifts are quite enough. I've not shown any major symptoms yet, but I know I've gathered them by now. If everyone went in to an act thinking they would get a disease without a rubber, then there would simply be less chance of running into them. My gal wouldn't have gotten three fun diseases from two guys that she thought she knew well enough to trust. At least I can join her in her agony, and truly share her pain, even if I am not as much at risk for cancer as she is. *grumble* It's always more unfair for the women, isn't it?

 

Sorry to babble.

[Atilla 16]

Bareback is pretty much a must for the type of fun Baremama & I are into. She usually runs a potential partner through the grinder as she gets to know them before ever allowing them to join us for FFM pleasures.

 

~~bare~~

 

But what if that partner doesn't know that they have something yet? HIV can go undetected by blood tests for a year. just giving them a good drilling isn't enough nowadays. But how can you ethically ask for medical documentation that they are clean.

 

There's always a risk even with condom usage.

[highlander 21]

But what if that partner doesn't know that they have something yet? HIV can go undetected by blood tests for a year. just giving them a good drilling isn't enough nowadays. But how can you ethically ask for medical documentation that they are clean.

 

There's always a risk even with condom usage

The newer tests are accurate 10-14 days after infection.

 

Now, even if a partner has a recent negative test result they might have been infected very recently-but the risk of that is fairly small-as is the risk of them transmitting it to someone before their next test (say if they get tested every 30-90 days).

 

Condoms and testing both carry risks. You can minimize that risk by using both.

[Greg & Sheryl 368]

...how can you ethically ask for medical documentation that they are clean?

We are familiar with several couples who make this a requirement for their potential playmates. Just be upfront with other couples about this issue, and be prepared to show your own tests.

There's always a risk even with condom usage.

This is very true, so whether a couple decides to swap bareback, swap with condoms, or not swap at all, every couple has to decide the level of risk they are willing to take in this lifestyle.

[BiDrywallChick 18]

We have gone bareback a time or two. For me, I have to know the couple really well for that. It's just my preference. MR BDC doesn't like condoms. However, he does use them if the couple/woman prefers. I am not a pregnancy concern since I have had my tubes all but yanked out. Mr. BDC is fertile though. So, for us condoms are more of a birth control than an STD factor.

 

As far as the STD factor, since the people we have played with, we have known really well, it wasn't a big deal. That sounds kinda relaxed but it really isn't for us. However, we still get STD testing done every 6 months just to stay on that groove. We made it a habit and it has stuck with us. As for asking or being asked for documentation. We can always provide it for anyone who is interested if and only if we are hitting it off and looks promising to play. We don't ask everyone we chat with or meet to provide that to us since it is very personal.

[jessicat78 23]

Jess and I bareback with trusted playmates.

[Brian and Jo 344]

We go bareback when we are playing with our regular group of six couples. We have all known each other for many years and we all trust each other to use condoms when we are playing outside the group.

[AskMeOk 148]

We go bareback when we are playing with our regular group of six couples. We have all known each other for many years and we all trust each other to use condoms when we are playing outside the group.

 

Pretty much the same here.

 

Though, I'll offer this:

We were once invited to a "bareback house party" [house rules]. We looked at each other with that deer-in-the-headlights/WTF look for a while and then I went to check the guest list. To make a l-o-n-g story short, it was heavily loaded with folks we considered big risk takers. We didn't go. In fact, we eliminated some folks from out potential play list because of the risks assumed by association with some of those play partners....

 

So, bareback my not be intrinsically bad, but it does draw some folks that get that adrenaline rush from pushing the limits. Be sure you know, understand, are comfortable with, and manage your level of risk....

[LFM2 1,482]

we've never ever done it without a condom. We take condoms just in case the people we're meeting don't have.

 

We're the exact same way. We just don't. I know life is full of risks, but I that's just something I don't want to risk.

[MN Tom 251]

Was just perusing some profiles/blogs on a local website and came across a person who mentioned something about this one time being their first bareback experience , yet their profile is almost all bareback with only a few condom shots.

 

Just think it's funny. I know there is a stigma and it's why people won't readily admit to it, but sheesh. At least if you plan on saying "oh yeah we use condoms 99% of the time" don't have pages of pics on your profile with several different guys all barebacking.

 

And no, I'm not making a judgment against it. It's up to everyone to make their own choice if they want to wear a condom or not.

 

For us it's technically an option, if we have a long term partner, both get tested, and have confidence that the shared pool of partners is very limited. We haven't come across that situation yet, but it's possible and maybe someday we will.

[Lascivious L&L 866]

There have been many "should's" in this thread and several "if you don't you're stupid's". But there has been no discussion of the actual risk of HIV from bareback. What is the risk of meeting an HIV infected person in the lifestyle? What is the risk of getting infected with HIV from a single fuck?

 

HIV is not a death sentence. Some in this thread seem to be in the dark ages regarding their attitudes. It certainly is a most serious infection, but no longer a death sentence. Of course life itself is a death sentence...

 

We are barebackers. Sex with a condom is not great sex for us. We wouldn't swing if we expected only fair to good sex, and that describes condom sex for us. We don't swing often. We haven't done parties or more than two other couples together. We're low key in our swinging.

[todesireu 16]

Have used condoms from the start and intend to continue. just our preference. ymmv.

[Galanga 249]

When I first started in the anonymous gangbang scene, everyone was bareback. Those were the days before HIV. When HIV hit, we all went to condoms … and something huge was lost. Women are evolved to feel a special little (actually not so little) thrill when a penis ejaculates inside her. The vagina has special texture sensors in the lining specifically designed to detect the subtle changes in hardness, bloating, and texture of the head and shaft of the penis in the few seconds before ejaculation (the so-called “point of no return” when the man feels that he is GOING to cum). Condoms remove those sensations.

 

But the thought of a fatal disease overwhelmed our need to feel that. The result was dulled sensations, men losing erections while fucking, and ejaculations that take longer to get there and are weaker for the men. The real culprit wasn’t HIV, but the condom companies. They would give free condoms to “save sex” advocate groups in exchange for hyping the threat. It was soon discovered that the odds of contracting HIV from one episode of unprotected sex is one in 300, and that’s for the female taking an entire ejaculation in the vagina. For the male it’s more like 1 in 500. When you combine these probabilities with the probability of someone at the gangbang being infected (0.5%), the chances of getting HIV are 1 in 60,000. Finally, when the protease inhibitors were discovered, the risk dropped to near zero.

 

Still, my husband and I were concerned. My sexual mainstay is adult theater sex, where I will take upwards of 25-30 vaginal ejaculations and I want them all bare, but not at the risk of dying. We mulled around the numbers. The probability of getting killed in a car accident on the way to the adult theater is 10 times higher. The probability of contracting hepatitis from making out with a stranger at a bar is 100 times higher. Still, we brought 24 condoms with us on each trip to the adult theater, and usually ran out of condoms before the crowd all were satisfied. Just to show you how “dead” the condoms make it, it normally takes about 40 minutes to finish off a crowd of 30 men at an adult theater. With the condoms it took over an hour to do 24 of them … and I couldn’t feel any of the ejaculations – a huge part of my thrill.

 

Our caution ended abruptly in the early 90s at an adult theater called the Barbwire in Toronto. This theater had two rooms separated by a wall with a gloryhole behind the screens. A woman can fuck through the gloryhole while simultaneously blowing someone else in her room, or getting felt up by 20 hands. It was a great venue for hole fucking because you can bend way forward with your butt up against the wall, and the guys in your room will hold you still. That night the first cock to come through the hole was throbbing. That kind of erection so solid that it does a little bounce with each heartbeat. The head was bloated purple, and there was a stream of precum hanging off the tip. I did NOT want to put a condom on this. I looked at my husband and he just nodded. That cock exploded as soon as it went in me, and that huge thrill hit me for the first time in almost 10 years. When the guys in my room saw I took it bareback up the vagina, the room emptied. They were not running away … they were running to the other side of the wall. And that was it. Never slapped another condom on another cock again.

 

Swingers are very vindictive. I have been called “evil”, “stupid”, “foolish”, “slimy”, and a whole bunch of other names I won’t repeat because of my love of bareback. But I’m 52, I’ve been doing bareback at gangbangs and adult theaters since age 17, and I’m still alive, still healthy … and I’m happy. That’s hardly “stupid”.

[toronto two 17]

How many here like us, love reading Galanga's posts !!!!!!!

[Alura 2,774]

How many here like us, love reading Galanga's posts !!!!!!!

 

At least one of us is in awe of this woman! Not only are her posts well-written, they are backed up with knowledge. We may not all agree, but we can all appreciate her presence here. Have you added to her reputation recently?

 

Alura

[toronto two 17]

no but would love to view/participate enjoy all around feeling in that room/setting, seeing we are a local couple !!

[LFM2 1,482]

No, we don't.

 

I was a bit taken aback by Dave's partner last night when she asked if she wanted him to go bareback or with a condom last night. In all honesty, we've only played with them for the past six months or so, but it surprised me when she'd asked him. I know my partner hates to wear condoms because he's always trying to sneak it in bareback. It's all in good fun, though.

[slevin 1,374]

We don't swing bareback either. Given the seriousness of some of the potential consequences (pregnancy, HIV) we choose to limit the risk where we can.

 

Also, glad we live in Toronto. So many options for sexual kinks here; lots of swing clubs, still some adult theatres, great strip clubs, recent court findings around escorts and brothels, apparently gloryholes somewhere too. Something for everyone

[Galanga 249]

Slevin, the only gloryhole left in Toronto is at the Swingshift theater in Richmond Hill.

[natalie3442 73]

There are several men that I have sexual relations with that enter me without a condom. Except for these guys, everyone else wears a condoms. It's a pity though since part of the sexual act that I really enjoy is when the man is releasing his sperm inside of me. I still feel good even with a condom since I can still feel him pulsating and know that he is releasing his sperm at that very moment, but knowing that the sperm is actually going to stay inside of me will normally bring me over to the edge of an orgasm.

[JandKinBoise 858]

I guess if we were more involved in the life and had more partners I'd feel different but we only do bareback. As much as we love to have a guy come in her, it is a very rare happening. It's almost always on her. She is turned on with the visual of a guy coming and will encourage us to come on her body, face, mouth, wherever she has the desire.

[angelkin 1,326]

Nope, we just don't do it anymore. When we first started, we thought maybe it was optional if we felt comfortable. After a few times, we learned we didn't feel comfortable at all. We got tested and haven't done it again except with one another. I know, not foolproof, but better than nothing.

[sparkstar 128]

With people we don't know well, usually single men rather than couples, we go bareback with only people who can show us a recent STI certificate to prove they are clean, a lot of single men we've met they seem ok with that. We don't often go bareback without a certificate with someone new.

 

Sex just doesn't seem complete without being able to share bodily fluids. Hayley has the arm implant as the main reason she prefers bareback is so she can feel it when men cum inside her she loves it.

[natalie3442 73]

Sparkstar

 

I definitely agree about what you said about Hayley loving the feeling of a man releasing his sperm inside of her. That is probably the greatest feeling in the world for me which is also why it's a curse. I hate condoms because they prevent this but I'm just too scared of an STD. As I said before, there are a few men that I trust enough for bareback sex, but I wish it were more. I'm waiting for the invention of a miracle pill that will banish all sickness and infections with one dose. But then the condom making factories will go out of business.

[SexySixtiesMW 16]

Of course we would do bareback. There is no point of having sex any other way. The feeling is just......so incredible. BUT....we only would do it with people we know and feel we can trust to be "clean." We would never have sex with a couple we just met, not until we get to know them and can feel comfortable that we can all enjoy it completely and naturally.

 

That said, at this point we are still "virgins"; married over 20 years; looking to have some wonderful couple "take us" into the promised land of wonderful, natural sex with others.