WHY no ones believes the term SINGLE MALE

[BodyScape02 21]

Following is a reply from another thread... to a gentleman who came on this board posing as a single male and who e-mailed me privately looking to create a "network" of couples across the nation to play with when he is "away on business"

 

Alarm bells ensued (I have been at this long enough and I am not an idiot) and I asked outright... YEP...he is a MARRIED MAN not a single. To his credit he did come clean when I asked...but I do not think he should misrepresent himself in the first place.

 

 

I wrote Julie, she said feel free to out him. So I am starting this thread... feel free to add your thoughts and make public all of the other married males who are lying to us.

 

: Caveat to swinging single:

 

One should note... that you really should be a single man if you state you are... if you are a married man pretending to be single :

 

 

1. You are lying...that is fraud (technically) not a good way to start or to incur the trust necessary to be welcomed into a couple’s boudoir.

 

2. This involves a married couple by nefarious means in the act of adultery, without their knowledge or consent. Something most of us find abhorrent.

 

3. Your actions are the reason so many "legit" single men get shut down cold. You are impairing the ability of those who are deserving, to obtain the opportunity to pursue happiness.

 

Know this ... in general the swing community is very open, but lying is the one thing we seem to all detest. This lifestyle requires such a deep degree of honest communication and above the board actions that any betrayal of that threatens the very fabric of a relationship.

 

If you are lying about being single....This is not the lifestyle for you...you will not be welcomed...I suggest you find somewhere married and cheating is what is desired and make it your home. Or pay for it. They are entering into the contract knowing and it is by mutual consent.

 

Don’t treat this community like free prostitution… we are not about that. No amount of flattery makes it OK.

[pistol pete 15]

Following is a reply from another thread... to a gentleman who came on this board posing as a single male and who e-mailed me privately looking to create a "network" of couples across the nation to play with when he is "away on business"

 

Alarm bells ensued ( I have been at this long enough and I am not an idiot) and I asked out right... YEP...he is a MARRIED MAN not a single. To his credit he did come clean when I asked...but I do not think he should misrepresent himself in the first place.

 

 

I wrote Julie, she said feel free to out him. So I am starting this thread... feel free to add your thoughts and make public all of the other married males who are lying to us.

Sigh...I'm sorry you felt the need to "out me".

 

As for your intimation of my Dr. Evil efforts to create a "national network" of couples, we both know its not true. I do not know why you would suggest otherwise.

 

At least you were honest enough to admit that I was forthright about my marital status.

 

C'est la vie.

[BodyScape02 21]

I asked the moderators advice first... why did I feel the need? Please... you are the one who lied and insofar as your conduct goes... do your really want me to copy and paste it? fine charming as it was...

 

here is the last of your email and then my end of e-mail. Prior to that nowhere was there anything that would lead the novice to suspect... I am not a novice.

 

You don't do this to people... especially here, you do not lie. There is someone for everyone... but honesty upfront is the rule.

 

here is the last thing you said before I asked and my ps in anser to it.( *** used to protect your annonimity)

Care to share a little more about you guys? I’d love to know more….fantasies, likes, dislikes, stuff like that. Tell me that you’re dying to meet a charming young ****** from ********…..LOL.

 

 

~Cat

ps. so why is a nice ****** like you not married and why are you looking for a couple so far away from home... not to be blunt...but it pegs you as a married but cheating man via all the circumstantial evidence and status quo.

 

That and I don't assume I am sooo hot that you would have to travel just for me. My ego is in firm check. Note: I am really experienced at weeding this out, so if it is the case...just confess now. (grin)

[intuition897 2,179]

Sorry Pistol Pete, but I have to agree with Bodyscape. While there are some here who will disagree with the basis of this thread (I can think of a couple right off the bat), I'd say it's relevent. Some say that a person's marital status is their own business, just as their marriage is their own business. However, in order for MANY couples to engage in swinging without endangering their spiritual health (which, IMO, is just as important as their physical and emotional health), they require that they not endanger any one else's marriage or hurt anyone (say, an unsuspecting spouse) by their actions. Most swingers take marriage very seriously, and when we attend a wedding and the minister asks the congregation "Will you all as a community help and support this couple?", when we say, "We do.", we really mean it! If I can help it, I'm not going to take any part of 'putting assunder' what is a sacred union. That means I need to know exactly who we're playing with. Yes, it's your marriage, your soul and your business. But if your swing partners opinions count for anything in your book, you should respect their need to maintain their spiritual health. Need-to-know basis? They need to know!

[Zoe&Wash 93]

*sigh* And he seemed like such a nice guy when he and I PMd each other last night. Oh well.

 

We're not interested in folks who can't be honest with the people they're married to. If you can't be honest with them about swinging, then how can we trust you to be honest with us about anything??

 

Z

[jennandjamesinm 87]

Dude - you might try philanderers.com I think that you are going to find more sympathy there. But then again you know where you can find sympathy - between sucker and syphilis in the dictionary.....

 

Jenn

[pumpkins1970 17]

Just wanted to say to JennandJamesinm that is the funniest quote I have heard in a long time!

 

However, I do agree with other people, you shouldn't do anything behind someones back, and if it only because she won't swing, that is pretty sad to wreck a marriage over something like that.

 

Swinging is not for everyone and those who find people that agree to do so should consider themselves lucky, that is why people call it a fantasy and few go on to make it a special part of their relationship.

[JnCC 24]

Following is a reply from another thread... to a gentleman who came on this board posing as a single male and who e-mailed me privately looking to create a "network" of couples across the nation to play with when he is "away on business"

 

Alarm bells ensued ( I have been at this long enough and I am not an idiot) and I asked out right... YEP...he is a MARRIED MAN not a single.

Normally, I refrain from posting on anything other than singles-related topics, but I'd lke to add my $.02 here on the chance that it will help somebody, somewhere.

 

I travel a LOT in my business...typically 10-18 days a month on the road. I've never needed to create a "network" of people to do anything "on the road" that I can't or won't do in my own community. Most people who travel on business will tell you that they have less time for recreation when on the road. There are exceptions, of course, but generally, it costs money to keep an employee on the road...money that must be recouped by having that employee be as productive as possible when away from the home office. That often means long days, short nights, and jet-lag that has us yawning through dinner then awake half the night. The net result is that we're sapped of the energy and enthusiasm we need to enjoy meeting new people.

 

I'm mentioning this because any time a person says they're "coming to your city on business" or that they're "willing to travel some distance" to meet you, a red flag should go up. Again, there are exceptions. (I often get 2-3 days "off" in certain cities, and I love to visit new places) But as a rule, if a person seems especially eager to meet others in conjunction with their "business travel," it's probably because they're not able to meet anybody on their home turf.

 

On a related note - I don't think it's out of line to share home phone numbers before meeting, especially when there's a chance, however slight, that the meeting will end in the bedroom. I often make my first or second contact with a person from my home phone...a number listed in the phone directory...as a sort of "symbol of good faith" before meeting them for the first time. Obviously, I'm talking primarily about single women here, as that's where I spend 99% of my time and effort meeting people, but I've done the same for couples, and I don't know why it would be any different for a couple meeting a single. It's funny how we, as a society, have gotten to the point where we're comfortable posting sexually explicit photographs and details about our sexual likes and dislikes on websites accessable to anybody with a used 486 computer and access to a phone line. But we're hesitant to tell anybody our name, even when we're asking them to share their bodies with us.

 

Yea, people you meet on the internet could turn out to be stalking wanker-pervs or psycho-bitches looking for somebody to kill their husbands. But realistically, if the person you're meeting has a listed phone number and their name doesn't Google a half-dozen references to "Court TV," "Inmate Finder" or "Sexual Predator Registries," they're not ax-murderers. Bad fucks, maybe...but not bad people...

[Dolphins524 15]

I'm a single guy! Honest I am . What ???? You don't believe me?

 

Oh, the married thing in my profile. That's nothing! I meant, it's like I'm married. Yea, yea, that's it. I meant I keep such a neatly decorated house it's like I'm married. I mean, oh, never mind .

[good times 991]

I am as single as a lot of the single guys we meet at the clubs.....does that count?

[Zoe&Wash 93]

I played several young, single guys in my all-girl high school plays - does that count?

[BodyScape02 21]

Now after seeing some of the other couples that he was simultaneously working on I feel vindicated in outing him... a wolf no matter how charming... is a wolf. ( and here I thought I was the only one… boo hoo .)

 

The only way to be safe is to be informed... A friend of mine who fell for a married man always said, " I wish someone had told me...before I fell in love with him."

[Spoomonkey 421]

Cheating has it's risks... And apparently being "outed" on the swinger's board is one of those risks.

 

But, whatever it takes to drive the point home: Cheating is NOT swinging/ Cheaters are NOT swingers...

[BodyScape02 21]

Spoomonkey said:

Cheating has it's risks... And apparantly being "outed" on the swinger's board is one of those risks.

 

But, whatever it takes to drive the point home: Cheating is NOT swinging/ Cheaters are NOT swingers...

 

Out of curiosity... do you all think I was right to "OUT" him?

 

Would you have done the same or just have left it to the couples here to find out for themselves?

 

My conscience is clear on this but I am sure there are those with dissenting views.

 

I just hate lying in general.

[jennandjamesinm 87]

While I do believe in discrection for swingers, he's not a swinger, he's a cheater. I think that it was a great service that you did for the others in outing him. On a side note, most of the folks that he was talking to have pretty good bullshit meters and would have caught on to him. If nothing else, this entire thread has been entertaining

 

Jenn

 

P.S. I hate liars too

[EternallySingle 32]

Do any of you know how many times I've been accused of being a married man simply because of the way I say things? Not just online but in real life too. In a way its disheartening. Its like they are saying only a married man can be articulate, mannerable, respectful, and have a modicum of self control. Kind of sad, really. I gotta act like an asshole to be taken seriously, but if I behave like myself, people think I'm hiding something.

 

Only thing I'm hiding is the location of the safehouse Jimmy Ho...oops. I can't tell you that.

 

On an unrelated note, I won a game of scrabble today with that word. Modicum. Seven letters and no more left in the bag. LOL You should have seen the look on my uncle and aunt's faces

[two4youinswva 3,068]

JnCC said:

Most people who travel on business will tell you that they have less time for recreation when on the road. There are exceptions, of course, but generally, it costs money to keep an employee on the road...money that must be recouped by having that employee be as productive as possible when away from the home office. That often means long days, short nights, and jet-lag that has us yawning through dinner then awake half the night. The net result is that we're sapped of the energy and enthusiasm we need to enjoy meeting new people.

 

I'm mentioning this because any time a person says they're "coming to your city on business" or that they're "willing to travel some distance" to meet you, a red flag should go up.

Dito You are dead-on correct here.

 

I have yet to go on a business trip that involved "free time". By the time I get home, it feels like I've had my ass handed to me in a paper bag.

If I have time to grab a drink in the hotel lounge before crashing for the night, then that's considered "free time".

[BodyScape02 21]

Do any of you know how many times I've been accused of being a married man simply because of the way I say things? Not just online but in real life too. In a way its disheartening. :

 

Actually you are who I was thinking of in the intitial reply to this post... the nice real single guy who people like that make it difficult for.

 

You are just too cool...safe house aside.

[Spoomonkey 421]

BodyScape02 said:

My conscience is clear...

 

As it should be.

 

I think outing him was a risk he ran when he presented himself as one thing - and actually was another. That is part of the deal - you just never know who you are going to bump into. For him, there is a chance he'll find couples who think his idea is really great - an out of town type who flies in, flies out and no one is the wiser. I'd like to think that these couples are the exception and not the rule in swinging...

 

Most of the couples we know put a high value on marriage - and that was an exciting surprise when we got into swinging. We honestly didn't expect it. We sort of expected people to be a little more cold about the issue - and we were prepared to deal with that...

 

And we thankfully haven't really had to...

 

Except for the random fart who screams "morality police" every time anyone has an issue with cheating.

 

Would we have outed him? Don't know... We weren't in that situation... Columbus, Ohio must not be on his hit list Do I think it is wrong that you did? Absolutely not. He ran that risk himself. Life is full of risks - you take them and you deal with them.

 

If he continues to cheat, he has worse risks than a few random lines on a message board ahead of him. But such is the lot of the spineless who can't carry their sack at home, but think they should be "prize meat" when they decide to toss it around elsewhere...

[Mrs Spoomonkey 118]

EternallySingle said:

Do any of you know how many times I've been accused of being a married man simply because of the way I say things? Not just online but in real life too. In a way its disheartening. Its like they are saying only a married man can be articulate, mannerable, respectful, and have a modicum of self control. Kind of sad, really. I gotta act like an asshole to be taken seriously, but if I behave like myself, people think I'm hiding something.

 

I just read this thread for the first time. Mr Spoo and I have been talking about it since he had posted but I haven't been on much and decided to read through it today.

 

ES stay the way you are!! There are couples (us) who wouldn't give the time of day to the "asshole's" that includes single or married. We look for articulate, mannerable, respectful and sense of humor in all our playmates. You are one of the high quality singles so keep being yourself, we need singles like you.

 

Also, BodyScape02, don't feel bad for following your conscience and "outing" Pistol Pete. It looks like everyone is glad you did .... well except for Pistol Pete But thank you. I get tired of cheaters thinking that swinging is the same thing.

 

Oh, and Evil and Jenn...... I didn't get a pm either but under the circumstances I think I'm glad this time

[WesternSwing 504]

JnCC said:

I travel a LOT in my business...typically 10-18 days a month on the road. I've never needed to create a "network" of people to do anything "on the road" that I can't or won't do in my own community. Most people who travel on business will tell you that they have less time for recreation when on the road. There are exceptions, of course, but generally, it costs money to keep an employee on the road...money that must be recouped by having that employee be as productive as possible when away from the home office. That often means long days, short nights, and jet-lag that has us yawning through dinner then awake half the night. The net result is that we're sapped of the energy and enthusiasm we need to enjoy meeting new people.

 

I'm mentioning this because any time a person says they're "coming to your city on business" or that they're "willing to travel some distance" to meet you, a red flag should go up. Again, there are exceptions. (I often get 2-3 days "off" in certain cities, and I love to visit new places) But as a rule, if a person seems especially eager to meet others in conjunction with their "business travel," it's probably because they're not able to meet anybody on their home turf.

I agree. I also travel quite a bit during the year for business, both meeting clients and numerous trade shows. I've frequently joked that I know every major city in America from the airport to my hotel to the convention center. And when I'm not working, I'm doing the after hours working, entertaining clients and industry associates. There is NEVER any time to meet people. And personally, after being out of town working a trade show for a week, the last thing I want to do is tack-on an additional day or two away from home, my wife, and my family to play with another couple.

[WesternSwing 504]

pistol pete said:

Sigh...I'm sorry you felt the need to "out me".

Dude, you just outed yourself. Bodyscape didn't mention your handle.

[Zoe&Wash 93]

EternallySingle said:

I gotta act like an asshole to be taken seriously, but if I behave like myself, people think I'm hiding something.

And with one simple declarative sentence consisting of two independent clauses, ES describes exactly what people have come to expect from Congressmen these days.

 

Stay just the way you are - anyone who uses their DMV photo as their avatar is okay in my book.

[txduo2000 18]

WesternSwing said:

Dude, you just outed yourself. Bodyscape didn't mention your handle.

 

Yes, she kind of did use his name. On another thread, she referred to him as "pete"

[BlueberryHillCp 15]

I have to agree with the attitude of the swingers posting here. A married man who is cheating on his wife has no place among the decent, honest swinging community.

 

I have a couple that I used to swing with from swing lifestyle. I was with them for over 2 years. They met a man who lists his profile as single, when he is actually married and cheating on his wife. I tried and tried to talk to my friends, but they wouldn't listen. I emailed tech support for swing lifestyle, and told them my feelings, and again i was told there is nothing anyone can do about it. I lost a 2 year friendship because my beliefs and my morals prevent me from condoning or associating with someone who blatently cheats on their spouse.

 

I think all married men who cheat on their wife should be shot at sunrise - (just an expression). They certainly don't belong in this lifestyle. Inocent people are getting hurt. If someone can't be honest with his/her partner, then why should we think they are being honest with us. I know this boils down to the problem our society has with honesty and cheating (ie people cheat on tests and exams, people cheat on their taxes, and all too often we, as a society, accept the various forms of cheating as "alright so long as nobody gets seriously hurt, --- or as long as we don't get caught" maybe). It would be nice if the true swinging community could police the cheating situation better and we could all shun the cheating individuals when they are found out. I know this is a utopian view but aren't we really seeking a more utopian lifestyle in the swinging community?

 

The swinging lifestyle, is about honesty, respect, love, and friendship. Why is this concept so difficult for some people to understand? There are so many good and decent people in the swinging community, I've made alot of good friends, and would like to meet more honest, decent, yet erotically inclined people.

[BodyScape02 21]

actually I didn't out him on this thread.... I outed him on the one he OP'd... because I didn't want to have anyone read it and chat him up as a nice single guy.

 

I am thourough... so I started this independant thread also... to further the discussion...

 

Evidently it has hit home with allot of us... It is hard enough finding a match than to have to deal with that...

 

and I agree with all of you...this is one of the most honest and loving communities I have ever been part of.

 

It is the last place I would have thought it existed before I came here...lol... and the one thing I was beyond thrilled to discover.

 

~Cat

[Sweet_Candy 54]

BodyScape02 said:

2. This involves a married couple by nefarious means in the act of adultery, without their knowledge or consent. Something most of us find abhorrent.

Dito We do.

 

intuition897 said:

Some say that a person's marital status is their own business, just as their marriage is their own business. However, in order for MANY couples to engage in swinging without endangering their spiritual health (which, IMO, is just as important as their physical and emotional health), they require that they not endanger any one else's marriage or hurt anyone (say, an unsuspecting spouse) by their actions.

Intuition897, are you reading our thoughts? Did someone give you the key to our Swingers' Handbook?

 

BlueberryHillCp said:

It would be nice if the true swinging community could police the cheating situation better and we could all shun the cheating individuals when they are found out.

We will participate in shunning, but do NOT want others presuming to police our actions.

[intuition897 2,179]

I just visited philanderers.com for the first time, too, Ves. Wow. Just crazy. I checked out a couple of articles and the chat room (which could've gotten ugly in a hurry) and then promptly left. When it comes to this issue, I can be a serious shit-disturber, and I wanted to leave before I gave the mods a reason to forcibly remove me. Still I found it very difficult to NOT say anything. I just got the impression of a lot of very nice (if misguided) people all patting each other on the back reassuring one another that they were still good people and were justified in their choices. Although, I'm sure many would say the same of us, right? In fact, during my brief exchanges on the chat board, I mentioned I found the link from SB, said I wouldn't be there long, just looking around. Why wouldn't I be there long? Because I didn't agree with philanderers.com's philosophy. But you agree with swinging?? Isn't swinging basically the same thing as cheating though? Yes, I do, and no it's not. After that someone asked me if "Dear H was still sucking off?". I didn't get that So I wished them all a good night and logged off, shaking my head.

 

I feel like I need a shower...

Anyone want to join me?

[JnCC 24]

Out of curiosity... do you all think I was right to "OUT" him?

I don't think you "outed" him one bit.

 

It's pretty well understood that cheating is a Lifestyle option that is not well accepted by the swinging community. I suspect he already knew that, which is why he listed himself as "single" on his profile. By revealing that not only was his profile deceptive, but that his personal values were not those generally embraced by this community, you were simply allowing them to make their assessment of him as a potential play-partner to be based on accurate information.

 

Had you been acting out of malice towards him, it would have been pretty easy for you as a couple to entice him into giving you enough information to identify him personally. Had you done that, then forwarded copies of his IM's and e-mails to his wife or workpace, that would have been "outing."

 

What you did was no different than what a business often does when it gets a returned check. They'll post an enlarged copy of the bad check, with the name and address of the account holder circled, in full view of all their other customers. That serves 2 purposes...it cuts down on the number of bad-checks it receives, and it lets others in the community know who among them can't be trusted to pay their bills.

 

You did a lot of people a favor, not the least of which is the guy himself. You have no need to apologize.

[FunFriend 15]

Its kind of funny but i checked out the Philanderer's web site first time yesterday too. I had a similar reaction to all of you-- what is so honest about cheating. My wife and I have been married for 23 years. About 5 years ago we decided ( actually she decided-but that's a different topic) to start exploring our sexuality more opennly. Strange thing I found out-- most women find a married man "cheating" on his wife more interesting or desirable than a guy like me who has "permission". Open marraiges are somehow weird, while dishonest,unfaithful conduct is normal. Fortunately or unfortunately, i refuse to lie about my personal life. I must have partners who know that she is the primary relationship in my life and having a little spice on the side (or with her there helping out!) doesn't change my feelings toward her.

[BodyScape02 21]

JnCC said:

What you did was no different than what a business often does when it gets a returned check. They'll post an enlarged copy of the bad check, with the name and address of the account holder circled, in full view of all their other customers. That serves 2 purposes...it cuts down on the number of bad-checks it receives, and it lets others in the community know who among them can't be trusted to pay their bills.

 

You did a lot of people a favor, not the least of which is the guy himself. You have no need to apologize.

 

gee tell that to the morality police please...lol...

 

I have to say I was amazed at the philander site also... how can they justify that...how can they not see the difference? Are there really that many sociopaths out there? People who feel no accountability to anything or anyone but their own selfish desires.

 

I don't need that answered... I know it is rhetorical... YES there are... but that doesn't mean I have to see them nekked!

[txduo2000 18]

I just posted on Spoo's thread "The Joys of Being DD-Free" and realized I kinda hijacked the thread. Sorry Spoomonkey! It should've gone here (hopefully Julie can move it).

 

I just visited philanderers.com for the first time, too, Ves. Wow. Just crazy. I checked out a couple of articles and the chat room (which could've gotten ugly in a hurry) and then promptly left. When it comes to this issue, I can be a serious shit-disturber, and I wanted to leave before I gave the mods a reason to forcibly remove me. Still I found it very difficult to NOT say anything. I just got the impression of a lot of very nice (if misguided) people all patting each other on the back reassuring one another that they were still good people and were justified in their choices. Although, I'm sure many would say the same of us, right? In fact, during my brief exchanges on the chat board, I mentioned I found the link from SB, said I wouldn't be there long, just looking around. Why wouldn't I be there long? Because I didn't agree with philanderers.com's philosophy. But you agree with swinging?? Isn't swinging basically the same thing as cheating though? Yes, I do, and no it's not. After that someone asked me if "Dear H was still sucking off?". I didn't get that So I wished them all a good night and logged off, shaking my head.

 

I feel like I need a shower...

Anyone want to join me?

 

Intuition: May I ask how you gained quick entry? I just went in and it looks like there is a lengthy and convoluted application process in order to become a member to post, otherwise posting as a non-member means that it could be hours, if ever, your words are posted.

 

Just morbid curiosity my wanting to go in there. Do I have to Agree to anything????? Their policies and their practices???? lol

 

Because I can't .... I think I am an unofficial member of the Morality Police.

[txduo2000 18]

That place is too much trouble .... one must REALLY REALLY want to cheat badly to go through all that trouble to register on that site!!!!

[SoulmatesNky 15]

Well, got PM'd and even chatted briefly Friday. Was nice enough although a bit pointed in his inquiries of my wife's likes and dislikes. Said he didn't have a profile on any contact site for our review because of his very public image (imagine that, public image="I'll take half") (redflag), but decidedly never mentioned being married.... was a lawyer... happens to be in my town once a month (redflag)...

 

I am making this post to assure him that he has been blocked and refused. I also want to recount something for his consideration. We got decieved some time ago by a 'single' man. We still to this day look back sadly upon the encounter, regretting our inexperience and especially our eagerness that lead to our rashness. This single must have relaxed because the next day he made a comment about being discreet..... WHAT?!?! We felt as if we were partly responsible for his sin. We knew that it was his responsibililty, however, it didn't release us from feeling guilty for not spending more time delving deeper into the individual.

 

On a off note: We have not spent much time looking for singles because couples have always been out interest. However, here of late we have decided to open up for a regular male playmate for my lady. I have already decided, if we ever do find a good guy, we will be part of his resume. A reference that other swingers can contact to verify himself. Does this sound wierd... sure wish we had some way to verify these singles. I have always been very learn of singles, after all, what are they outed for... especially single men... "What, you were looking for sex where?" facelick VERSUS "What, you took others home to your marital bed?"

[EmpyreanPleasur 18]

BodyScape...while I don't envy the decision you had to make, you did the right thing as far as I'm concerned. Thank you for letting everyone know.

 

BTW...I didn't get a PM either!

[BodyScape02 21]

EmpyreanPleasur said:

BodyScape...while I don't envy the decision you had to make, you did the right thing as far as I'm concerned. Thank you for letting everyone know.

 

BTW...I didn't get a PM either!

 

Thank you... I know I got a bit heated... married and lying is a hot button issue for me.

 

He is now listed as a married male, as he should be... and is a very charming and eloquent person to chat with...so now those who still want to consider him a playmate can do so with full knowledge of what they are doing.

 

I am sure there are some that will, just as there are some that don't get why those of us who are adamant about this make such a big deal out of it. To them... we are already cheating... they just do not get the distinction between swinging as a couple and adultery... and how in all the years left to man will anyone ever be able to explain it to them?

 

Philanders.com... vs swinglifestyle.com.... if you can't read it and see it... (them- how to hid it all from your spouse vs us- communication and honesty are key)?