Swingers Party at Hotel Angers Parents

[jennandjamesinm 87]

I ran across this in my surfing. Do you think that the management had the obligation to notify the soccer parents? Why or Why not?

 

Swingers' party at hotel angers soccer parents - US news - Life | NBC News

[txduo2000 18]

Oh my!

 

I am a swinger AND a mother, and I would have been JUST as angry as those soccer parents if I walked into a hotel with my children and saw the goings-on that they apparently witnessed then had to explain to their children! This is the very reason that I would never feel comfortable going to a mainstream hotel for a swingers event. We stick to strictly swingers venues.

 

Hotels generally put a big sign in the lobby declaring that a Shriner's Convention, Weddings, Receptions, business conventions, bar mitzvahs, etc. are going on. I suppose my opinion is leaning a little toward that they should have had some type of notification to the general mainstream public, even if not a big public sign in the lobby, to let folks know and make an informed decision.

 

I would not blame those families ONE BIT if they chose to arrange a boycott of that hotel. I mean, COME ON!!!! Why in the hell were the swingers situated in a ballroom that could be viewed through a glass atrium by the public????? That is absolutely ridiculous!

[Guest Pinmonkey]

I don't think management had any obligation to tell anyone who else was booked into the hotel. After all if they had and the holy rollers showed up to demonstrate I would be just as pissed.

 

However, putting them in an area where they weren't totally private, and whomever arranged the party, not demanding that they be totally private are both at fault. A little common sense and discretion could have fixed this situation before it even began.

 

And what's up with the quote "The parents described the dress at the Crowne Plaza Hotel-Airport in Orlando as 'raunchy, despicable and worse than prostitutes.'" Somehow I think that, because prostitution is illegal, it isn't worse.

[intuition897 2,179]

I think the onus should be on the organizers for the swingers' event to to arrange a suitable place to enjoy their event. Did they not look up throught the glass atrium and see the little faces peering down at them? If they had, many swingers being parents themselves, they would've been mortified I think.

[midnight hour 16]

Making the rounds on the message boards...

 

Lynch time for the swingers again...

[WildMiCouple 325]

How come I never got to see any of this stuff when I was 13 yrs old

 

I agree with Intuition on this one. It should be up to the organizers to "case the joint" prior to reserving it. Who knows if the hotel had any info specific to a swingers party in the first place. Here locally, the off-premise dances all have good relationships with both the hotels and local police. They've let both know what's going on to keep surprises at a minimum. I'd be willing to bet the party organizers failed to do their part on this one.

 

Brett

[Thrax 384]

Although the article had the line, "The parents described the dress at the Crowne Plaza Hotel-Airport in Orlando as "raunchy, despicable and worse than prostitutes" (which, frankly, if you've been to some big swing parties, is accurate for some party-goers), the parents interviewed in the article seemed to find the hotel at fault, not the swingers. If you've seen the television "scandal" pieces concerning swing clubs and parties on the news in Ohio and some other midwestern states, the reaction of the people that were offended in this instance appears to be rather tame.

 

For instance, from the NewsNet5 article: "My biggest gripe is that the hotel had two distinctly different groups under the same roof," said Camporini, 49. "A soccer team and middle-aged swingers should not have been booked together."

 

It's not necessarily the swingers' fault that non-swingers could see into the atrium and get an eyeful of boobs, etc. I think it is the hotel's fault, as well as the organizers of the event.

 

The following is from the link also: "The families said the sexually adventurous partygoers sometimes flashed breasts and bare buttocks in front of the children as they sashayed through the hotel atrium." Now, to me, if adults were exposing themselves in the presence of children in the public areas of the hotel, the swingers should take some blame. It's one thing to expose children to nudity in a nudist environment, it's a big difference to expose children to nudity in the sexually-charged environment of a swing event.

 

Anyway, even if the parents at the hotel were more upset with the establishment than the swingers, I'm afraid the general public will overlook that fact and just blame the swingers for the problem.

 

Sheesh, if that kind of stuff goes on in Orlando hotels, what's next? Gays arranging to meet up at Disney World on specific weekends? :rollseyes

[curious49251 15]

Oh brother. I think this quote is quite telling...

"My biggest gripe is that the hotel had two distinctly different groups under the same roof," said Camporini, 49. "A soccer team and middle-aged swingers should not have been booked together."

 

So, a party with 20-something's scantily-clad would have been ok? This guy was upset that older men and women are embracing their sexuality and wearing reveling outfits, so he's raising a stink.

 

There could have been some inappropriate behavior, just as there could be with 200 drunken non-swingers.

 

I'm sure his kids will need therapy. If he actually did need to explain to his kids what swinging is, and I highly doubt he did, I'm sure he gave an uneducated opinion of it. "well, kids, that's what swinger's do, they get naked in hotel lobbies, then have sex with everyone. I'm calling the TV stations!"

[JustAskJulie 2,595]

1. There's a good chance management wasn't aware of the "swingers". Too often groups book these things without being upfront with the hotel managements (for fear that doing so would keep them from getting the rooms). 2. Most hotels aren't likely to turn down a block of 200 rooms (or 100 rooms as is probably closer to right if there were 200 partygoers). 3. I doubt seriously that most hotels check their schedules to try to not book clashing events together.

 

I recall a swinger party I attended several years back where they had a standing discount at a local hotel on the night of their social. The same night we went to the social (and stayed at said hotel) there was some relgious gathering also staying there.

 

The BIG problem I see here is the lack of discretion that said swingers showed if they really were flashing and such in front of children. I mean granted it's NYE and when alchohol flows things can get wild, but still some lines shouldn't be crossed. That said, if the soccer parents complained and noone even responded to their complaints or attempted to do anything then that is a problem on the part of the hotel.

 

Was the hotel responsible for letting them soccer parents know there was a swinger party the same weekend? I don't think so. IMO, it's NYE and you are taking your kids to a hotel, you should expect to see some wildness.

[midnight hour 16]

Recall a swinger party I attended several years back where they had a standing discount at a local hotel on the night of their social. The same night we went to the social (and stayed at said hotel) there was some religious gathering also staying there.

 

The hotel that our socials are held in has church services in one of the banquet rooms the following Sunday...

 

The bad thing is many a blurry eyed person has to fight the congregation line to get to the coffee pots...

though I am waiting for it to be sniffed out...

[imsnowman 34]

The police officer who was there said he didn't see anything illegal. I would imagine that floks dressed like the complainers said would have been illegal. So who do you believe, the policeman or the complainers? How much effort did the complainers have to make to see the action?

[midnight hour 16]

The police officer who was there said he didn't see anything illegal. I would imagine that floks dressed like the complainers said would have been illegal. So who do you believe, the policeman or the complainers? How much effort did the complainers have to make to see the action?

 

Well I am thinking they were street legal....the same as if they had been on the beach, would the parents have pulled their kids off the beach from a bunch of teens wearing thongs or was it the middle age that sit them back...i.e if they were ken and barbie would this ever been a problem?

I have a hard time seeing grown women flashing children here okay..am wondering if they did not wander into a part of the hotel that was more or less closed to the public?

[JustAskJulie 2,595]

midnight hour said:

 

The hotel that our socials are held in has church services in one of the banquet rooms the following Sunday...

 

Makes you wonder if the hotel doesn't plan it that way in order to try to help convert all the sinners.

[midnight hour 16]

JustAskJulie said:

Makes you wonder if the hotel doesn't plan it that way in order to try to help convert all the sinners.

no not with this owner

all about the dollar

he likes our parties...

wonder about some of his staff though sometimes..

[Sweet_Candy 54]

If nudity wasn't consider such a deviant behavior this wouldn't be an issue.

 

No one is at fault here but the parents for buying into the belief that nudity is immoral. We have two young children and they have no problem with nudity. IMHO!

[midnight hour 16]

According to what I read the website said it was a hotel takeover..could it be possible that management doubled their money by selling out a few rooms that was left? And that is how they got in there..i.e, the swingers party thought no vanillas was around?

[txduo2000 18]

If nudity wasn't consider such a deviant behavior this wouldn't be an issue.

No one is at fault here but the parents for buying into the belief that nudity is immoral. We have two young children and they have no problem with nudity. IMHO!

 

I think that this encompasses a little more than society's views that nudity is immoral. The masses are not going to change overnight, and actually, public nudity is still considered illegal. While I understand that the police stated that they didn't witness anything illegal, no one but the parents and the children know if anything illegal did happen prior to the police being summoned. A bank robbery could take place, and by the time the police get there, nothing is going on to be witnessed by them - but it doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

 

I don't have a huge problem with nudity .... as long as it is kept where it belongs. A public hotel where large numbers of diversified types of people come in and out is not one of those places, IMHO. Not at this time in society anyway. I don't believe that anyone has the right to intrude upon someone else's more modest comfort level.

 

Example: I am a smoker; many people are not and do not like it. There are "places" for people who smoke when they are in public places, sharing space with those who do not agree with smoking. I have no problem with this. While I hold that I have the right to smoke; stronger than that is a person's right to not be subjected to my smoking.

 

Another example: I do not believe that masturbation is wrong; however, I do believe it has its place. I certainly would not want to walk into a restaurant, hotel, vanilla nightclub, city park, etc. and come across someone feverishly pleasuring themself. Nor would I want my children to witness that either, although I taught my kids early on that while there is nothing wrong with masturbation, there is a time and a place for it to occur.

[Sweet_Candy 54]

Since we've travelled in Europe and nudity is commonplace on the airwaves and in some public places its no big deal when chidren see it. If it was no worse then a off-premise club or a vanilla dance club we dont see a problem. Now fornicating in public is another matter. But that wasn't mentioned was it? The article mentioned how they were dressed.

[txduo2000 18]

We aren't in Europe and our social acceptances are much different here.

 

And it was much more than simply the way they were dressed ... it was that they were visible through the atrium, and that they exposed themselves (bare breasts and buttocks) while walking through the lobby.

 

And there are many off-premise clubs that I wouldn't want my children to be a witness to.

[Sweet_Candy 54]

We could hope we move the direction the Europeans haved moved with nudity. As for what the kids saw adults doing, we would tell our kids thats what adults do sometimes. No sheltering here, avoids costly therapy sessions when they are older.

[Thrax 384]

Since we've travelled in Europe and nudity is commonplace on the airwaves and in some public places its no big deal when chidren see it. If it was no worse then a off-premise club or a vanilla dance club we dont see a problem. Now fornicating in public is another matter. But that wasn't mentioned was it? The article mentioned how they were dressed.

 

I've been a nudist for 20 years. I've traveled to Europe many times and have visited nudist resorts and beaches. I've also used European (mostly German) swimming pools/complexes during nude-only hours. Most venues were attended by both sexes and most were "family friendly." Although people were nude, it was not a sexual atmosphere. They were just swimming, or sunning, or picnicing without wearing clothes. In other words, the nudity was not an effort to titillate.

 

I contrast that atmosphere with the boob-flashing, wearing of revealing clothing, and other actions that were described in the article. Those are actions of a sexual nature, and I think should be reserved for viewing by adults. It may not bother very young children who can't put the activity in context, but it might get to the point of disturbing adolescents. (Besides, I think it's rude to exhibit blatant sexual behavior in an inappropriate setting.)

 

I think it would be healthier if Americans were overall more comfortable with their bodies and more comfortable with nudity. But I can't see where "nudity" in the situation described in the article is innocent. I'd compare it to parents turning on the tv so their 12-year-old can watch the Disney channel, only to have the Playboy channel come on.

 

Finally, a word about European nudity. Yes, in general, Europeans appear to be much more comfortable with the naked human form. However, and I may be wrong here, but from my many visits to a variety of European countries, I have found that there are many conservative Europeans (and not recent immigrants, either) who are not that keen on seeing/displaying the naked body. In fact, there are many conservative people in the Mediterranean villages of Spain, France, Italy, and Greece, who frown on the whole nude beach concept, although it may mean cash to their economy. As a generalization, I found that the farther north on the Continent I visited, the more people were comfortable with nude advertising, nudity on tv, and personal nudity. But, as with every generalization, you can find many exceptions. And I don't know what to make of my Irish and English cousins, who seem to have less of a Continental view of nudity and more of a "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" attitude to the whole thing.

 

These are just my opinions. If any of you Europeans (and that includes you Brits, whether you like it or not ) want to prove me wrong, then let me know when it would be a good time for me to visit. My calendar is pretty open for 2006.

[txduo2000 18]

"Sexually charged" versus "innocent nudity" ... that's exactly what I was trying to convey. THANKS THRAX! You said it very well, and you are definitely a good source, being that you are a nudist (which I am not) and a world traveler (again, I am not).

[HotMoCpl 20]

Let's see now. The sheriff didn't see anything illeagle so the blame cannot be put on the swingers or the hotel management staff. I guess the problem then lies with the parents of the kids. Please, before ya'll start throwing things at me, listen and you may learn something here. I'm not trying to step on anyones toes here and don't mean to come off that way, but as a parent and grandparent I know the world outside the U.S. is very different. Is it possible that ALL these other countries are wrong?

 

Parents in this country, as a general rule, almost never discuss anything about sex with they're children. The problem? That's a big part of parenting.

 

In Europe and Asia the sex education begins pretty early in life. Around 7 to 8 years old and sometimes younger. My ex and I did this and my current wife and her ex did it. I spent nearly 5 years in Far East Asia and my current wife spent over 6 years in Europe.

 

As parents we need to come up with OUR OWN plan on how to accomplish this dreaded task. I can only promis you that with each succeeding generation it will get easier.

 

I'm sure that everyone who reads this knows already the as human beings, we are not only sensual, but sexual as well.

[txduo2000 18]

HotMoCpl, I can understand where you are coming from. As a mother, I did take on the responsibility of being frank in discussions with my children about sexual matters, starting at early ages (around 3, when they first start wanting to know where babies come from). I have been honest, used actual terminology rather than slang, and have long felt that the responsibility for their sex education lay with me, rather than with the schools or society at large. Just yesterday, I had to tell my 14 y.o. daughter what "tossing someone's salad" means. :rollseyes

 

However, I still do believe that one's sexual proclivities are a private thing ... not for general public consumption. Sure, I am a swinger, and I "share" my sexuality with others ... but I do not do it in public venues, and I never will. What people do with their sexuality is their own business, and if they choose to share it with other likeminded folks, then that too is their business. It ceases to become their business when they convey their sexuality in a publicly diverse crowd and flaunt their sexuality to other people's children. That is simply a "right" that I will not agree with.

 

My kids do not know we swing. I didn't even know what swinging was until my late 20's. I believe, and some may disagree, that it is something that each has to come to on their own, if they are so inclined.

 

My children's father left me for another woman. I was distraught over that. At their still young ages of 17 and 14, they are not mature enough to know the distinction between "adultery" and "swinging" ... I am sure they would feel that I am a hypocrite for being upset at their father's adultery, then knowing I occasionally have sex with other men with my current husband's permission. Some things have to be learned with time and maturity.

[WesternSwing 504]

This just in. It's this kind of stuff that gives the lifestyle attention of the negative kind. Allot of this may be fabricated by the guests that were disgusted at the swingers party going on (especially since the off duty officer didn't see anything illegal going on). But the whole thing is just bad publicity.

[jennandjamesinm 87]

We were talking about that here - https://www.swingersboard.com/forums/topic/18640-swingers-party-at-hotel-angers-parents/

 

you are right - it IS bad publicity.

[imsnowman 34]

While I understand that the police stated that they didn't witness anything illegal, no one but the parents and the children know if anything illegal did happen prior to the police being summoned.

 

The police weren't summoned. He was on-duty in the hotel as security.

[Jamie&Kieth 36]

I'm a soccer mom and a hockey mom and I would have been upset too! There are places for swinging such as hedonism and other type of "adults only" resorts. A hotel in Miami is not a place to hold a swingers party and a place where the general public has access.

[Jamie&Kieth 36]

Although I husband & I are swingers, we are also parents with children along with being a soccer Mom & a hockey Mom, I really believe there is a place for swinging. A swingers party at a major hotel is not the place to party, there are plenty of "adults only" resorts that are available.

 

Even though we also nudists and our children are comfortable with the nudist lifestyle, again there is a time & place for nudity and showing soome tits & ass, a hotel is not the place. Just plain stupidity.

[EvilMJ 65]

Most of the swinger socials here are held in a hotel. Mainly because there are no swinger clubs or resorts. Usually there is a dance, you cannot go to the dance unless you are a member and there are bouncers there to keep out those that don't belong. There is one floor that is booked by the 'club owners' where the swingers stay.

 

This hotel is not one that is down town or a major hotel, but it is large enough to accomodate a dance, and the club members. I have gone to many of these dances and I have never seen behavior that I would consider offensive, ofcourse there are people dressing provocatively, but when you get down to it no more than the people wearing their bikini's by the pool.

 

Usually people do not change for the dance until 9:00, the only way down to the dance is a stairway that does go by the mainfloor. From my experience there aren't too many unattended children running around after 9:00 pm. However I have never seen anyone acting inappropriately while in the main area, other than a little giggling.

 

So do I feel a hotel is an inappropriate place to hold a swinger function. No I don't, and I am a parent. No one is doing anything illegal, there is no sex allowed in the dance, and it is away from prying eyes, as it is a private function. I don't think the hotel is required to iform the guests that a swinger function is happening that night, for the most part the worst they are going to see is a bunch of people dressed in sexy clothes, no worse than you would see at some dance clubs. We are all warned by the people putting on the dance what the rules are, and if you break those rules you are effectively banned from future events.

 

So I guess it is really the responsiblity of the people putting on the function to ensure that their guests do not act inappropriately in public areas. I am sure the hotel has told them what they will and will not allow, such as flashing and nudity. So I am only speaking as to the socials i have attended and they have all been wonderful events, I have never seen any children in the area and for the most part people have acted like adults.

[Deptydog 15]

I think that if the hotel HAD told the soccer group that there was a swingers group staying there, I'd be very pissed at the hotel for violating the privacy of the swingers. However, if the hotel had some security (police officer) then they DID at make an attempt to keep things seperate and if there were some "naughty" goings-on in public areas of the hotel, then those commiting the bad behavior should have been ejected.

 

My wife and I used to go to a swing party held in a Hotel in NC that had a Hooters restaurant adjacent to it. I'll never forget the first time we showed up there to check in and there was a woman at the counter complaining quite loudly that had she known that there was a "nasty, smut restaurant" attached, she never would have made the reservations.

 

Also, several times, when checking out the next morning (sunday) we would pass church groups that rented the same ballroom for their church services or revivals to use on sunday morning. I had to smile to myself while thinking "If they only knew what was going on in there last night..."

[Pepper & Drew 384]

We go to socials that are at hotels and have run into a similar situation. At Halloween, we went as Pimp & Ho (real original, I know ) and our room was on the first floor. Unfortunately, we had to go to the meeting room on the second floor and had to walk very close to the main check-in area. There were 30 or so people who looked like they were in their mid-hundreds (OK, seventies), and as soon as we walked out of our room, I knew if they saw me they'd be shocked and appauled, because, after all, I WAS dressed like a common hooker. Drew said they looked neither shocked or appauled but a couple of the guys walked down the hall a little to watch me walk around the corner .

 

I think that swingers have an obligation to remember that when they are in public and that not everyone at the hotel is a swinger. Now, those kids could have seen the same thing at a vanilla party, because, after all, it was NYE and you get adults together with alcohol and there may be flashing involved. I don't think the hotel was obligated to tell the soccer folks, but I think they were obligated to make sure the guests weren't flashing, etc, in a main area of the hotel.

 

Pepper

[HappyPeople 17]

Sounds like bad planning.

 

The swinger group had the responsibility to include that a private dance hall would be necessary. We've all been to swinger events and know that it gets a bit much for the public eye. If they did that, then I blame the hotel. If they did not, then shame on them... There are ways to inform the hotel that there will be behavior of adult nature without saying the word "swinger".

 

I completely understand how the parents would be upset.

[Tom & Bonnie 99]

When one hears a news story that quotes only one side of the story the facts may come out as a little misconstrued.

 

Here for your consideration is the other side of the story as told by the event organizers, JC & Syn hosts of Orlando & Dallas Interlude conventions....

 

On May 4, 2005,

We signed the contract for the NYE Interlude with the Crowne Plaza Orlando Airport. We paid a $5000.00 non refundable deposit and guaranteed 200 rooms (when you do this you pay for 200 rooms filled or not). We started making plans for our 4th NYE Interlude in the Orlando Area. We have held the first three Orlando Interludes at this same hotel, July 2002, June 2003, and May 2004, and felt like we were coming back home. We were unable to hold the 2005 event at this hotel due to the fact the hotel has numerous airline contracts are now unable to move the airline crews or they may lose the contracts. The Crowne Plaza helped us find a substitute hotel so we could continue our three day events. The Crowne Plaza has to have 100 rooms available for the airline crews at all times. When we have ANY event at ANY hotel we block ALL of the meeting space. This keeps large groups from having weddings or meetings or party’s in the hotel. A large group of people is harder to keep out of an event than a few horny males or curious onlookers. The hotel assured me that we would be the only people in the hotel other than the airline crews and there would be no need to purchase any more of the rooms they would block the rest for us because they know and understand the nature of our group and how much they spend. There was a wedding on Friday, but they would be out of the hotel at the end of the wedding. We had booked over 4000 room nights over the last three years with this Crowne Plaza and except for the General Manager and a few of the sales department, the entire staff is very familiar with our group. So we trusted the hotel at their word. And before you say "you should have gotten it in writing", there are something’s that a hotel won't put on paper for liability reasons, one is the topless pool party’s and the Hedo pool party that they allow to go on at our three day events, but then again we have the entire hotel during these times.

 

On Dec 28,2005, (around)8 pm,

30 rooms had been blocked by a Travel agent at the beginning of the week, at the time he "stated" he was just blocking the rooms for one of the bowl games or for overflow. This is done sometimes by travel agents or room brokers when a sporting event is in the area, so when people go on line to get a room he has the only available rooms in the area and is in a position to ask almost any price. A new sales person seeing a quick commission booked the rooms with out checking with the Sales Director, this is a violation of hotel protocol and this is being handled internally. When the soccer teams started checking in to get their rooms the General Manager had no idea that the group had children (Florida definition and Crowne Plaza is a person under 16), as per Crowne Plaza policy no child may stay in any room without an adult over the age of 25, but the "chaperones" guaranteed that their was only 12 kids and 6 adults and the kids would be playing soccer all day and would be so tired that they wouldn’t even want to use the pool or anything. (FYI- The pool is unheated and was at temperature of 70 degrees),This is a corporate hotel and has no game room or any other recreation for children.

 

On Dec 29, 2005 (9 am)

The General Manager called me on my cell phone and said "We have a problem", (note to anyone that is not an event planner, this is the same as your partner saying "we need to talk"), "Can you come to the hotel." We live an hour away so we didn't get there until 10:30 am, the GM told us the problem and asked our advice on how to handle it. I immediately called my security team and instead of using 4 security guys we decided to add 3 more. This is the same security team and numbers we use for 3 day events to secure three pool party’s, theme dances and 20 party suites and several seminars. A little over kill but we go to great extremes to make our attendees feel comfortable. This is the same security crew we use for all of Interlude Events, Orlando and Dallas, this is also the same security group that works for Bob and Tess of the French Connection for their events such as Nawlins N November, LLive, Chicago Adventure, and Couplesfest.

 

On Dec 30, around 5 pm,

We showed up to set up for the NYE event, we had a pre party planned, but on our arrival the GM asked to see Syn and I in his office. We walked into the GM's Office again, but this time we had all department heads present. They wanted to tell us personally that they were glad we were there and would do their best to make our party fun and our guest happy. Their main concern was that we understood that the children had been the worst group the hotel has ever had. The "parents" had put several kids in the same rooms without adult supervision. The kids were put in Atrium rooms and after repeatedly throwing everything from ice, pennies, rocks, marbles, soccer balls, newspapers and cigarette butts at people in the lobby and bar they were moved. (This hotel has a beautiful atrium and the first 6 floors has balconies that look out over the bar and restaurant) The whole group was moved to outer facing rooms because after repeatedly asking the parents to please control their kids they were told "We paid for this hotel, we have to drive almost an hour a day to get to our tournament and we can do what ever we wish". This puts the GM in an awkward position, he had been spending most of his time keeping the airlines crews happy because the kids kept sneaking up to the priority club rooms and were pounding on the doors, kicking soccer balls down the hall and tipping over trash cans and vandalizing the Pepsi machines. By the time hotel security got to the floor the kids were gone and parents response was "well you can't prove it was our group, it was probably those pilots (we hadn't checked in yet) making things up, if you kick us out WE WILL SUE!!". Well since he couldn't "prove" it was then he called the police. When the police arrived they basically said that if you don't have a witness then everyone in the hotel has access to that floor so it could have been anyone. The GM then hired an off duty Sergeant (with off duty cops you pay for the rank) to patrol the hall since his own security guard (nicknamed Barney Fife by my security staff) couldn't control the kids.

 

The GM's first concern was the 300 guests that were attending the wedding and then once they were gone he could concentrate on our group. The hotel staff had already complained, the kids had thrown all the towels that were at pool side in the pool, tossing the loose weights in the work out area at the walls and into the pool, filling two trash cans full of shredded newspapers and dumping them not once,not twice, but three times from different Atrium balconies of unattended rooms (when maids have finished a room they will leave it open so the supervisor can approve the room ready for the next guest)flooding one bathroom and causing water damage, and several other things that bored unsupervised kids do.

 

Dec 31, 2005, Noon,

My security staff arrives, we now have 7 security guys on the clock and ready to work, I set up a perimeter around the ballroom and we would only allow employees to the ballroom, you must walk down a long passage way, to get to the ballroom, or go outside thru the pool area. We placed security at all points while we moved in our decorations, sound equipment, lights and all our things to set up our party. After watching these little booger pickers run amok I wasn't about to let them near our equipment and I was getting them used to NOT being able to go to the ballroom. If you are familiar with this hotel there is NOTHING but bathrooms and the meeting rooms in this area of the hotel. So unless you are going to the ballroom you have no reason to go down there. I happened to be standing there when three of the kids said they had to go down the hall, my security guy was polite and said this area of the hotel was closed off for now. The cute little guy, around 12 or 13, said "fuck you we know another way around", well when they tried to get in the other way he was met by another one of my security staff, (please remember this was our 5th event at this hotel so we knew all entrances). For the record they tried to sneak in thru the kitchen and was asked to please quit coming thru the restricted area of the hotel. One of the mothers came down and wanted to go to the ballroom because her son was down there, very politely my security guy told her that no one but our group was down there and this part of the hotel was closed off to the other guest. She then went straight to the front desk and demanded to go to the ballroom because she is a paying guest and wanted to be able to all parts of the hotel. Meanwhile her son was caught by the hotel security guard trying to break in to the engineers storage room. She then proceeded to scream at the security guard and the front desk manager for the poor treatment she is receiving and wanted a free meal from the restaurant for the false accusations they had just made about her son.

 

Dec 31, 2005 3:00 pm,

We had to revise our rules sheet that we ask all our guests to sign before they are allowed to attend. We put on the this rules sheet that there are other guests are in the hotel and to please stay covered up in the common public areas. We then had a short meeting with our host couples to let them know some of the problems.

 

Dec 31 2005, 4:00 to 7:00 pm

We had our registration table set up, please understand this was a complimentary party for our invited guest and members, there was no door charge or cover charge, but we did require everyone to pre-register before 8 pm to make it easier for our security.

We had our registration table in the bar area, this is the same bar that hotel security had to repeatedly had to ask the UNDERAGE kids to please leave. We had no signs posted as we had already told everyone about the pre-registration. We just told everyone as they checked in they received a special wrist band and that would let security know what that they are part of our group.

 

Dec 31 2005, 9:30

I was called to the front of the hotel by the Police Sergeant (he was in full uniform) saying that we had a complaint on the 9th floor, we had the 7th - 10th blocked just for our group and as per the contract no one would be allowed on these floors between 9 pm and 3 am. We would provide our own security. So the Sergeant and I went to the 9th floor, several of our guests knew each other and were getting ready to go down stairs to the party, and as swingers do, one couple had left their door open for another couple to come in when they arrived. The woman had stepped down the hall and the man was in the shower, when one of the kids pushed open the door and was rummaging thru their stuff. By the time we got upstairs they were gone, but we waited in the stairwell and sure enough here came the kids down from the 10th floor ( a key access only floor and their club level ). The Sergeant stopped them and let them know from now on they were only allowed in the lobby or their room or the floor their room was on. This worked because the kids hightailed it downstairs and you guessed it proceeded to tell their parents that the cop had threatened them if they left their room for the rest of the night. When we got off of the glass elevator the lady was waiting for us, she told the officer that she would have his job for threatening her son, the Sergeant then asked me to go ahead and join the party and not worry anymore. The Sergeant quietly explained that the stairwell is for emergency use only and to please not allow the kids to go back in them. Her response was " I can't watch them all of the time, that is your job".

I walked away in disbelief. Thinking to myself my dad would have used the Sergeants belt to beat my ass if I had done anything like that at that age.

 

By around 11:00pm everyone was in the ballroom having a good time. Our security guys didn't rest, several times the kids would come out to the pool but they were escorted out by the Sergeant. Several of the parents started complaining to the Sergeant about how the women were dressed, saying it was indecent and immoral and they should be arrested for AND I QUOTE " The outfits they are wearing under their coats". Even the ladies that didn't wear cover-ups didn't need them. Most of our guests were in tuxedos, except for few that complained that the it wasn't a fun party and they were wearing deck shoes and shorts and didn't come to have fun just bitch.

 

Jan 1 2006 1:00 am

Two sets of parents were at the front desk DEMANDING a full refund for their stay OR they would go to the press and tell them about the wild orgies they had seen in the ballroom, bar and on the elevators. Please note the time, and that their kids, while innocently sitting in the lobby were subject to having watch women dressed like prostitutes go up and down the elevator and they would be scarred for life. By this time the party downstairs had pretty much ended and we had moved most of our security to the 9th floor where the party suites were. We left one of our security guy down stairs to get on the elevator with any unsupervised kids and be the elevator man and politely ask which floor. If they asked for a restricted floor he would hold the door open and ask the Sergeant to come over and help him please. This sent them up the emergency stairwells, but we were ready again.

This lasted until at least 3 am.

 

Sorry for the delay in our response but our lawyer had advised us not to make statements until we were back in the country and he could review (if needed) any press releases or statements. My lawyer and I have an agreement, when he tells me not to speak and then I go ahead against his advice his fees double. And if you have ever met me or heard me speak you know that the accent is real and the neck is red.

 

We have produced 6 national conventions, 4 NYE parties, 6 Halloween parties, 50-60 hosted parties. We don't take our security or the privacy of our guests lightly, we go to every extreme to keep out unwanted guests and make sure we don't put our lifestyle or our group in someone’s face.

 

As for my comments on the woman allegedly lowering her skirt and showing her thong. I didn't witness this but IN MY OPINION, based on 7 years of promoting and producing lifestyle events, I find highly improbable that a woman would lower a skirt to show off a thong. When at anytime there are people that aren't with our group I find that our group behaves above reproach until they are alone with consenting adults then what happens in the privacy of their own rooms I have no idea what happens if I am not present.

 

I hope this answers some questions and concerns. And like I said this is boring but it is what really happened and was not in the newspaper.

 

We have since found out that the way the parents found out it was a "swingers" party is that one of the our attendees who sat in the bar all night drinking and didn't bother to dress up (shorts and deck shoes) and has constantly complained how lame the event was, ALLEGEDLY kept telling the parents "Get over it, it is just a bunch of swingers having fun",.

 

So yes it is hard to do a complimentary event for all your past attendees and members of your group. Maybe next year we should charge the normal $295 per couple that we have charged in the past, instead of producing a party that is complimentary. That way when someone complains I can give a refund, but I still don't know how to make a free party better.

 

So if you have any questions please email me.

JC Clark snjventures@aol.com

[northindycpl 32]

As a parent, a swinger, and a mom that witnesses kids on outings, I completely believe that the children in this hotel were more then likely brats and behaving badly. I seriously doubt that the parents had much control over them and it is completely believable that they were allowed to just roam the hotel.

 

Soccer groups seem to be the worst I have seen and I have seen plenty.

 

I think the only responsible party to this situation is the Hotel. The hotel should have done something to secure the enjoyment and safety of all their guests.

 

My question is... and I suppose it has something to do with the hotels layout, is why there weren't curtained off areas. LIke at Chicago Adventure, there were big black curtained off sections of the hotel and security directed you to not go through those sections, to remain in the ballrooms and meeting rooms. By my observation, it wasn't the swingers that needed the reminder of proper ettiquette, it was the others that were looky-loos, and the security was more to keep them out.

 

I am also curious as during the Chicago convention, there was a Childrens act performing next door at the stadium and the place was filled with not only that cast, but about a million 2-7 year olds. No complaints there. THe reason? The parents controlled their kids!

[Tom & Bonnie 99]

Mrs. Indy,

 

JC had told me on the phone that they did have pipe and drapes up going to the ballroom as well as security checking attendees wrists bands.

 

In this particular hotel the ballroom is at the end of a long hallway and that you cannot see into the ballroom from the atrium.

 

Funny thing though, JC mentioned that one of the dad's was offering several hundred dolars to get into the party!

[northindycpl 32]

I bet he was!!!

 

Honestly, I can see how this would be upsetting to some people, but I think it is really not newsworthy and should be forgotten....