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We were out at a social last night talking to a few couples and one of them brought up how it seems like lately at the on-premise clubs their new pet peeve is couples who show up with no intention of doing anything (not even each other), they are just there "to watch". Has going to a swing club to watch the "animals" become a new form of entertainment?

 

Do you find this to be true at the club(s) you frequent that more and more of those attending are just there to watch?

 

I remember a post here sometime back from someone annoyed because they'd gone to a swinger club just to "watch" and they didn't get to see anything because no one was doing anything. Will we eventually see a cycle completed as more and more of the on-lookers show up to the point that even the on-premise clubs become nothing but social clubs, as the real swingers get tired of being monkeys at the zoo and take their play elsewhere?

 

How do you feel about being watched at a club? Do you enjoy it? Does it annoy you?

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JustAskJulie said:
How do you feel about being watched at a club? Do you enjoy it? Does it annoy you?

 

Watching is EVERYWHERE. Just last night we met a couple who were just checking out the place and their complaint... No one was having sex so that they could watch. My smart ass retort was, "gee, hon," to Mrs Spoo, "we should go have sex for them" :rollseyes

 

I will never figure out why people feel that paying their door fee suddenly obligates everyone in the club to cater to their desire.

 

Friday night we were playing with some friends at a different club. It is a very nice, clean place, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to get privacy. The "walls" between rooms are curtains that can be pulled back and stepped through at a whim. Which sort of makes the locks on the doors pretty useless.

 

From the single guy who managed to wander in and sit down (no one saw him come in because, well, we were busy) to the blond chick leading a pack of college age, Spring Break looking folks in and saying, "do you mind if we watch?"

 

I looked up at her - from a rather intense moment with a rather intense playmate - and said, "is that a camera phone?"

 

"Well, yeah," blondie says, "but I am just calling more friends to tell them to come up."

 

"No," I said. "You can't watch. Go away."

 

So - yeah - not only were her and her "group" going to watch, she was calling a crowd. Flattered as I was that we could have the entire student section of an OSU football game watching me in the midst of my "mojo" - it still completely ruined the moment and we were unable to regain our traction...

 

Tires sliding over ice...

 

I left thinking that - clean or not - if this club can't put up a couple of walls, I'm not going to waste my money any more.

 

Good or bad timing - this question comes on the very weekend where I felt like a celebrity... Everywhere I went, someone was watching...

 

I think it is the "new zoo" in a lot of ways. And while I am a bit of an exhibitionist and don't mind being watched, I at least want to plan for it - ask for it - and be prepared to play to a crowd. On this night - we locked the doors and pulled the curtain/walls for a reason.

 

I don't have a problem with couples who want to voyeur. On the other hand, there should be some common sense involved.

 

1. We did not come there to entertain you.

2. If you are not invited, don't avail.

 

I am thinking that clubs will eventually have to respond to voyeurs with a separate set of rules.

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Well good god that is just plain ignorant. :nono:

 

I want to go to a swing club to see whats up. I have every intention on getting busy with Dog, may or may not with another couple. wait and see. But that makes me a little uncomfortable to know that some college brat is going to be hanging out with her girls watching me. I like to perform for Dog, and maybe in the future other serious swingers. But not this type of crowd.

 

Are the single ladies getting to be what the single guys are perceived as? Just asking

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JustAskJulie said:
How do you feel about being watched at a club? Do you enjoy it? Does it annoy you?

 

There are times that it annoys the hell out of me...There are also times I don't mind being watched...however, when I'm being watched I want the watchers to be naked too.

 

Someone going to a club for the first time to just "check it out" does not bother me...most newbies are not comfortable on their first, second or even third visit to want to participate in any way. Those that are going "just" to watch a free sex show with no intentions of ever participating can stay at home and watch a porn movie, IMO.

 

One club that we went to had a voyeur/exhibitionist room that was separate from the other rooms, which were private...to even be able to watch you had to be naked before entering the room...this set-up, to me, is the way it should be. With everyone being naked it makes a more level playing field.

 

Teresa

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TNT said:
One club that we went to had a voyeur/exhibitionist room that was separate from the other rooms, which were private...to even be able to watch you had to be naked before entering the room...this set-up, to me, is the way it should be. With everyone being naked it makes a more level playing field.

 

While Ohio is a pretty active state for swingers, our clubs have a lot to learn :(

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Popcorn! Peanuts! Get your Programs! Can't tell the Players without a Program!

 

I think my response to the Valley Girl and her entourage would have been: "Sure, you can watch, just as soon as you all get naked". Then I would have turned to the group we were playing with and said "Let's help them get their clothes off". They probably would have broke a couple of nails getting out of there.

 

Our problem isn't necessarily with being watched, we enjoy that and enjoy some audience participation (which occasionally turns into a great mob scene). The problem we run into are the cheerleaders or commentators, that could take some lessons from golf commentators. It seems that every visit to a club there is one person that's never learned to moderate their volume. We're not talking screams, grunts, groans or even squeeks (maybe someone out there knows her?) or passion. Even the occasional porno dialogue isn't a problem (Oh yeah! Ride that big thing! Do Me! Do Me!). It's the "Hey Look at that! Damn! Someone run and get me another beer, so I don't miss this", that has a tendency to spoil the moment. If the clubs we frequent allowed smoking in the back areas, they'd probably try to balance their ashtray on my ass (or whatever part of the body isn't moving too much).

 

Of course, we figured this was due to the riff-raff, those couples that show up for a night of watching 4 times a year as an alternative to viagara. They watch others, get drunk, then go home and pass out while trying to remember what an erection is supposed to look like. Last night we had a perfect chance to test the "occasional riff-raff" theory. Our favorite club had an "invitation only" party. The owners only invited a select group of couples. A great idea, and a great time. But, there was one woman, with a voice like Phyllis Diller, who was playing tour guide with her friends. "There's some fuckin' going on back here, lot's of great fuckin', look at all the fuckin'," ad nauseum.

 

My thoughts have always ben that the play areas should be treated like a church in regards to conversation. Keep it to a whisper and don't interrupt the religious experiences taking place.

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Watching is EVERYWHERE. Just last night we met a couple who were just checking out the place and their complaint... No one was having sex so that they could watch. My smart ass retort was, "gee, hon," to Mrs Spoo, "we should go have sex for them" :rollseyes

 

Did the couple respond to that retort? Geez, that's just rude. I wasn't aware that by our entry into the club, we had to have sex just for everyone else's entertainment. No wonder I generally prefer the rooms with doors and walls.

 

 

I think it is the "new zoo" in a lot of ways. And while I am a bit of an exhibitionist and don't mind being watched, I at least want to plan for it - ask for it - and be prepared to play to a crowd. On this night - we locked the doors and pulled the curtain/walls for a reason.

 

I don't have a problem with couples who want to voyuer. On the other hand, there should be some common sense involved.

 

1. We did not come there to entertain you.

2. If you are not invited, don't avail.

 

I am thinking that clubs will eventually have to respond to voyuers with a seperate set of rules.

 

I'm sorry that situation happened to you, Mrs. Spoomonkey, and your friends. That's just unfortunate.

 

If it's beginning to be a trend/pattern, is there anything that can be done to reverse it? Would politely complaining to management do anything? Or is it going to turn into a matter that "If you don't like it, take your money elsewhere"?

 

I'm sure that others are like us that it costs some cash to head out to the clubs. That's how we choose to spend our money, but at the same time, I don't want my evenings to end badly or to feel like an animal in a zoo or feel like I just blew $75+ just to feel like a piece of meat or performance art. That's why I thought we were going to the clubs to begin with - to be with like-minded individuals and not feel like freaks (unless we want to feel freaky, mind you).

 

In any case, it's an interesting dilemma - thanks for posting your story.

 

Rebecca

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It think it sure does make a difference if they are there "just" to watch or to be involved. he single guy who doesn't get undressed stand's off to the side with a creapy look..... should be shown the door!!!

 

On the other hand if first time couples wish to come and mingle, take a few clothes off, and play with themselves, I say go for it. Sooner or later they will want to join in.

 

I would just assume they didn't let singles unless they are "with" a couple. But I do remember our first club/party..... I was watching a lady with a few bed on the bed and I remarked to someone "You think they mind if were just watching" .....they reply was if they chose to perform in the public area they "want" to be watched. So I didn't feel so bad about watching.

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This has been a major topic in our household lately. It seems like there are a lot more people coming to the clubs that are only interested in watching. We have heard more than one of them utter the term "live porn".

 

We are in total agreement with Spoo and Teresa on this thread. All of us in the lifestyle have a bit of a voyeur in us. We all get a charge out of seeing our SO with someone else or others having sex. And like Teresa said – “With everyone being naked it makes a more level playing field.” And who doesn't look when others are running around naked. For us clubs have always been a place where we are free to participate in the lifestyle.

 

For some that is just socializing, (we have done that on many occasions), for others it is meeting people and going off to play (isn't this really what we are in the lifestyle for anyway, well at least the ones who are REALLY in the lifestyle). We have been to many clubs that have an area specifically geared towards meeting the needs of the couples who enjoy having others watch them, thus providing a place for voyeurism. Those of us who want to enjoy the play areas of a club have always had an unspoken understanding that from time to time you may see or be seen naked or having sex. The key part of this was that all of us are participants in the lifestyle. We get just a little pissed, at people who think that if they pay to get into a club that they are in the lifestyle and are therefore somehow entitled to get to watch. Sorry but it doesn't work that way!

 

Clubs are a place for REAL swingers/lifestyle people to meet other people, get acquainted, perhaps play, and PARTICIPATE in the lifestyle. It is not a place for people to come and watch a live sex show! Theses people are NOT swingers and that is NOT what the lifestyle is all about. We have always felt like they are an unwanted intrusion at clubs.

 

Another pet peeve has been when you invest your time trying to get to know a couple only to find out they are never going to play because they are the Lookie Lou’s only there to get all worked up and go home hot and bothered for each other………..oh well this is a topic for another thread……

 

Tom, Annie & Pam – The Ménage’s

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Yes, yes and yes! I have begun to be irritated by the people, mostly college types, that show up late (after midnight or so) after having been at a vanilla club, having had a few drinks, then deciding "hey, I heard about this place that's hot". They stand around and watch, waiting for their "live porn" show.

 

I appreciate the comments and suggestions of everyone, mostly the reverence for silence, dont need a cheering section, thank you very much. Need to even up the playing field also, if they're watching they have to be nekkid too.

 

I enjoy exhibitionism and some voyeurism but draw the line when some joker pulls out a phone. You never know these days with all that techie stuff. Not that my ass is so special, I just dont want it out there for free, ya know?

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I agree totally. Evan as a newbie mysels I wouldn't want anyone looking at me. It just adds to the pressure. When i do go to a swing club I'm going to have a fantacy fulfilled, not to be staired at like an animal at the zoo.

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Spoomonkey said:
Watching is EVERYWHERE. Just last night we met a couple who were just checking out the place and their complaint... No one was having sex so that they could watch. My smart ass retort was, "gee, hon," to Mrs Spoo, "we should go have sex for them" :rolleyes:

 

I will never figure out why people feel that paying their door fee suddenly obligates everyone in the club to cater to their desire.

 

Friday night we were playing with some friends at a different club. It is a very nice, clean place, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to get privacy. The "walls" between rooms are curtains that can be pulled back and stepped through at a whim. Which sort of makes the locks on the doors pretty useless.

 

From the single guy who managed to wander in and sit down (no one saw him come in because, well, we were busy) to the blond chick leading a pack of college age, Spring Break looking folks in and saying, "do you mind if we watch?"

 

I looked up at her - from a rather intense moment with a rather intense playmate - and said, "is that a camera phone?"

 

"Well, yeah," blondie says, "but I am just calling more friends to tell them to come up."

 

"No," I said. "You can't watch. Go away."

 

So - yeah - not only were her and her "group" going to watch, she was calling a crowd. Flattered as I was that we could have the entire student section of an OSU football game watching me in the midst of my "mojo" - it still completely ruined the moment and we were unable to regain our traction...

 

Tires sliding over ice...

 

I left thinking that - clean or not - if this club can't put up a couple of walls, I'm not going to waste my money any more.

 

Good or bad timing - this question comes on the very weekend where I felt like a celebrity... Everywhere I went, someone was watching...

 

I think it is the "new zoo" in a lot of ways. And while I am a bit of an exhibitionist and don't mind being watched, I at least want to plan for it - ask for it - and be prepared to play to a crowd. On this night - we locked the doors and pulled the curtain/walls for a reason.

 

I don't have a problem with couples who want to voyeur. On the other hand, there should be some common sense involved.

 

1. We did not come there to entertain you.

2. If you are not invited, don't avail.

 

I am thinking that clubs will eventually have to respond to voyeurs with a separate set of rules.

I hope my first time, I don't bother people who's been in the game for a while. I think us newbies are not really there to watch, but get into a sence of what to do and not to do. I'm happy my man wants to do this together, but in another way, I wish we had someone with us who knows the ropes. I know it would be more comforting to me.

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The club allows camera phones in the play area? :mad:

 

There needs to be a place phones are ok but not in a play area :nono:

 

We are slowly learning to actually report people who have camera phones or guys who wander away from their ladies to try to get in on something.

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tribbles said:
The club allows camera phones in the play area?

 

No - they don't...

 

But that doesn't mean they don't show up. Yes - we were pissed - but honestly once we chased them out, I was more interested in getting my traction back.

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While this doesn't seem to be new at the clubs we go to, it has seemed to increase in the last couple of years. We have even had people come up to us at the club and say "we are not swingers, but could we go watch you guys have sex?".

 

I think I am more sensetive to this problem than most because I don't like being watched at all. I am defenitely not an exhibitionist, if everyone in the room with me is not actively involved in the action, then I am out of there. Fortunately, our current favorite club has doors on the rooms that allow us to lock the lookers out.

 

We have been to a club on a slow night were most of the people there were just watchers. We actually got a pretty good laugh out of the knowledge that all these watchers got to sit around and watch each other doing nothing.

 

Like the Menage's said above, it is particularly discoruaging when you spend a considerable amount of time getting to know someone only to find out they are just voyeurs and have no desire to play with you. In fact, we have kind of gotten a little jaded about meeting new people because we seem to be a magnet for them lately. On the other hand, a couple of weeks ago we met a couple that, after talking with them for a while and getting a lot of vague answers about what they were in to, they finally said that they just wanted to watch. Yet, when we saw them at the club the next time, and were actully avoiding them, they finally cornered us and said that they had changed their mind and wanted to swap with us. So, I guess we can't just blow them all off, even though most of them are just a pain in the ass. This is one of those cases that I wish they were issued some form of indentifying mark at the door so we could steer clear of them though.

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There has been an increase in the number of people just there to watch at our club too. For the most part, we don't mind. We've met some great people to talk and dance with. We enjoy being watched, and usually play in the group room where watching is encouraged. The club has private rooms with doors, if privacy is desired. While we agree that a large number of long term "lookers" could be an issue, everyone has to start somewhere. Very few people wake up one day, say "hey honey, lets be swingers" , run to a club that night, and jump in bed with strangers. Everyone progresses at different speeds. There are several people at the club that watched for a long time, and now regularly use the play rooms. Besides, on the busy nights, there wouldn't be enough beds if everyone decided to play at once.

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Spoomonkey said:

I think it is the "new zoo" in a lot of ways. And while I am a bit of an exhibitionist and don't mind being watched, I at least want to plan for it - ask for it - and be prepared to play to a crowd. On this night - we locked the doors and pulled the curtain/walls for a reason.

 

I don't have a problem with couples who want to voyeur. On the other hand, there should be some common sense involved.

 

Dito

 

We haven't been to any club in awhile, but it does seem that more and more watching occurs. Personally, I like to watch as much as I like to be watched. But it isn't a given invitation to disrupt my good time.

 

Oh.... and the fake wall thing.... the club we frequent did the same type of room creation with black curtains. Although the concept is ok, it is challenging and uncontrollable. I dislike it very much, too. :kissface:

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She_n_Jaybee said:
The problem we run into are the cheerleaders or commentators, that could take some lessons from golf commentators. It seems that every visit to a club there is one person that's never learned to moderate their volume.

That drives me insane. And it is the "oh yeah baby ride that thing that annoys me". If you're going to sit there and watch, "shut the F up". Worse yet is when they start calling for position changes so they can see better.

 

She_n_Jaybee said:
My thoughts have always ben that the play areas should be treated like a church in regards to conversation. Keep it to a whisper and don't interrupt the religious experiences taking place.

Amen!

 

rpu3 said:
If it's beginning to be a trend/pattern, is there anything that can be done to reverse it? Would politely complaining to management do anything? Or is it going to turn into a matter that "If you don't like it, take your money elsewhere"?

 

I doubt there really is a way to change it on a standard club. What we may start seeing more of is that those who seriously want to swing start avoiding open swinger clubs and stick to private parties (where those who are invited are all "known" entities). What would then happen is that eventually there would be no one playing at swinger clubs and the voyeurs would get bored and the clubs would go out of business, as no one would be attending.

 

I think it would help a lot of clubs stuck to the rule of you must be naked (or at most in a towel) in the play area. That would definitely discourage some of those people like those that have been mentioned from entering.

 

rpu3 said:
they reply was if they chose to perform in the public area they "want" to be watched. So I didn't feel so bad about watching.

I would agree with that if the club has private and public play areas, unfortunately many don't have separate areas like that... and some like the one Spoo visited have private areas that too easily become public.

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Spoomonkey said:
No - they don't...

 

But that doesn't mean they don't show up. Yes - we were pissed - but honestly once we chased them out, I was more interested in getting my traction back.

 

While it wrecks the action at that moment to report them, we have come to the conclusion it will be the only way to keep the club the way we like it. As members it is our responsibility to report others breaking big rules or the club will go sour.

 

The Hosts can't be everywhere and see everything.

 

We DO wish everyone just paid attention to the Rules.

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How do you feel about being watched at a club? Do you enjoy it? Does it annoy you?

 

We really enjoy it. In the on-premise club we've attended, there are many different areas. The upstairs (sex) area has wide-open areas, semi-private areas, and rooms with doors closed. You can get on a list and reserve a private room time, if you like. When we've had sex in the wide-open area, it was a huge turn-on to us to be watched. But, nobody was hollering, making rude comments, telling us to change positions, etc. Just watching quietly and what felt to us, respectfully.

 

Camera phones: Egads!!! We wouldn't go in a club where they were allowed in. The on-premise club we've attended checks everybody at the door. Phones (any phone) and any other digital items can be securely checked, and are not allowed inside the club. If you're bringing in a purse or a bag for changing clothes, it is searched before you get past the first room. The rules there are very clear. Privacy is a big priority. We loved that, and wouldn't want it any other way.

 

I think that almost any newbie couple are going to be "watchers" for awhile, and I understand that. If people are friendly and understanding toward them, they'll probably blossom and eventually start to play, maybe sooner than later. I would hope that the newbies don't get the vibe from anti-voyeur folks that they're not welcomed there, or feel like they'd better hurry up and "put out" before they're ready so they're not shunned.

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A couple of years ago I remember a post by Vegas Lee where he was complaining that no one wants to just fuck anymore.

 

At the time I was on the other side of the fence, we are in the first wave of the 'internet swingers' and we enjoy being friends with the couples we play with, maybe not playing right away, that sort of thing.

 

Well as we are all seeing the trend has come to bite us all in the ass anyways. We have been running into more and more of this. You find more and more looky-loo's who don't really want to play. We might want to be friends and go to family BBQ's if we really like each other, but we want to have sex, not have others watch us have sex.

 

Despite being in a major metropolitan area, while the number of profiles on the add sites has increased since we started, the number of people who want to play seems to be about constant. We see lots of new couples who want us to somehow romance them into swinging, we see couples with rules a mile long who will never swing, and we see couples who are just down right odd in what they seem to be looking for. Its gotten so bad we took down our add on sls rather then deal with it.

 

It would be one thing if it were just the add sites, but the clubs are no better. One of those old swinger owned couples club in our area was recently bought by a swinger couple who is more interested in the club as an investment than anything else. I'm not sure where they are advertising, but the couples in the club are, well, not desirable and I'll leave it at that. Another old and major club in the area is still ok but every time we have gone we have run into the types who want to watch and not play (I bitched about it in a thread in the past) and I saw them letting in young 20 something couples after 12 (which is against the rules) who you can tell came from a vanilla club and just wanted to watch the freaks. Since it was the owner letting them in, I didn't bother bringing it to the owners attention :rollseyes

 

Honestly its all been a major turn off lately. Trying to sift through these couples to find the swingers has become too much of a chore for us. Being we are looking for 30 something couples for the most part, and it seems most of these 'poser' couples are in the 20-30 ranges we have given up actively looking for a while and are only meeting with long time friends.

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I think that almost any newbie couple are going to be "watchers" for awhile, and I understand that. If people are friendly and understanding toward them, they'll probably blossom and eventually start to play, maybe sooner than later. I would hope that the newbies don't get the vibe from anti-voyeur folks that they're not welcomed there, or feel like they'd better hurry up and "put out" before they're ready so they're not shunned.

 

I don't think this is always the case. No swingers we know started as voyeurs who just wanted to go watch people have sex. They might not have played the first times they went to the clubs, but they wanted to get a feel for the people and atmosphere first, they didn't go for live porn. If anything I think the voyeurs would be a MAJOR turn off for most new would be swingers. Here you are, doing something you have never done before, hell perhaps no one but your husband/spouse has seen you naked as an adult, and you are expected to have sex with a stranger couple while others watch you from the shadows? That might be a turn on for some, but not for most we have met.

 

On the other hand when we have run into the voyeur couples they have been doing it for a long time and have NO intention of swinging. At one club its wasted our last two visits from a swinging perspective. Mind you they don't just say they are there to watch, they say they are swingers, but then they don't play (ever, talked to a few couples) and when the one guy wanted to go 'check out the rooms' to watch, it sort of creeped us out tbh.

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If anything I think the voyeurs would be a MAJOR turn off for most new would be swingers. Here you are, doing something you have never done before, hell perhaps no one but your husband/spouse has seen you naked as an adult, and you are expected to have sex with a stranger couple while others watch you from the shadows? That might be a turn on for some, but not for most we have met.

 

Absolutely!! Bravo Chicup. That comment resonates greatly with me. Being watched by non participants would be something we would have to (if ever) grow into. Now, it would make us want to run away. Heck, we feel that even if we found a couple to play with, that closed private rooms for each pair (even given the possible problems that could arise) would suit our comfort level best to start. My wife can only envision being with a playmate in a closed room situation. It's too distracting otherwise in our fantasy of how it would all play out (at this point anyway.) This scenario makes me a bit nervous, but I understand. I feel similarly. Though I would want to be near if something weren't going right for her.

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Maybe the clubs need to make the play area a completely naked area, if that is possible. Have a social and dance area where it is clothing optional. But you want to go to the play area, everyone gets naked. Maybe that will limit the lookey-loos? Or get them to playing?

 

Any club operators listening? Comments?

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BiloxiCouple said:
Maybe the clubs need to make the play area a completely naked area, if that is possible. Have a social and dance area where it is clothing optional. But you want to go to the play area, everyone gets naked. Maybe that will limit the lookey-loos? Or get them to playing?

 

Any club operators listening? Comments?

 

The Red Rooster has a couples-only area that's open on Fridays and Saturdays. Only those that come to the club as couples are allowed into the area. There's a large play room in the couples-only area that's set off by a hallway and a chain across the entrance to the hallway. In order to go into that area the couples must be naked, and ready to play. Lookie-Lou's are not allowed.

 

Sundays are pool party day. By 8pm everyone must be wearing a swimsuit or less (naked is preferred and encouraged).

 

Any Sunday preceding a holiday Monday is Naked and Naughty Night. Dress code is women must wear lingerie or less, and men must be completely naked. The dress (undress :confused: ) code is strictly enforced. Keeps the looker to a minimum. :)

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Tybee Swing said:
Camera phones: Egads!!! We wouldn't go in a club where they were allowed in. The on-premise club we've attended checks everybody at the door.

 

This is one of the reasons Ric and I were turned off by the Power Exchange L3. We were there to check things out--and yeah, we pretty much just watched--and there was this oily guy walking around with a cell phone at his ear. At the time we thought he just a goof but then it occurred to us that he must have had one of the first picture phones because he kept playing with it.

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The problem is that often its couples who are just doing the viewing, in fact all of our issues with this have been couples as the clubs are couples only.

 

The nude thing isn't a horrible idea though there are people I dont' want to see nude and times when I'd like to keep my pants on leaving/coming from the play area.

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I have to say that the nude thing would probably turn us off to a club, as we are not nudists, and like Chiccup said their are people I would just as soon not see naked. In fact, thats probably why the nudist thing just doesn't appeal to us. If it is just nude in certain areas, like the play room or the hot tub we wouldn't have a problem with it, but we have passed on party invites when we found out we would have had to check our clothes at the door.

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BiloxiCouple said:
Maybe the clubs need to make the play area a completely naked area, if that is possible.

It's not only possible, but one of the best clubs we ever attended did precisely that...had an area where street clothes were not permitted. Lingerie for the women and nudity (or a hand carried towel) for the men was the house rule. We thought it was great, AND, we weren't worried that anybody was hiding a video camera in their lapel.

 

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Have a social and dance area where it is clothing optional. But you want to go to the play area, everyone gets naked. Maybe that will limit the lookey-loos?

In theory that works OK. By midnight, almost everybody is in the nude area anyway, and only come back to the social area to get a drink or a snack. The problem is that new couples who may not be ready to undress in front of a couple-dozen or more strangers won't go back there. The best solution I've seen is to make that area "nude only" or "no street clothes" after a certain time...11 or 12 O'clock seems to work well. That way, newbies get to check it out at their leisure, while not being a distraction later on when the hard-core couples get to crankin'.

 

Another problem is that most clubs have either become dependent on the income that single males bring in, or cannot bring themselves to operate without it. Virtually every club in our area is hanging on by a thread, financially. There have been several closings and changes of ownership in the last year. I think if you were to restrict single males to the "social" areas (which of course would be empty after midnight) they would soon stop paying the 50-60 dollar door charges for the "privilege" of playing pool with a bunch of other lonely, single guys in those areas. If you let them in, the couples don't come back.

 

The current situation is one that the clubs brought upon themselves. Single guys, and apparently to a lesser-but-growing extent, young, "lookie-loo couples," have become to most clubs what dope is to an addict...a necessary evil.

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Being new-ish to the lifestyle we're fortunate that out first experiences have been at private parties in the UK and a great club in The Netherlands. Nearly no lookie-loo's on the private parties, because everyone is well screened beforehand, and at the club "dress-time" is between 10 and 11, at the end of which everyone will be either in lingerie, or naked... Works great, and there are private areas and more open play areas, as well as a pool and sauna. The social area (dancing/drinking/eating) remains lingerie/naked after 11, so you can't hide there...

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I do not think they have become the new zoo. If you think they have in your area use your power to make them change. Speak to the owners about your concerns and if they are not receptive to change and seem to be catering more to the obnoxious lookie-loo crowd instead of the swinging couples then do not go. It should be obvious after talking with the owner/manager if they are just after the fast cash. Not only tell them you will not be back but tell them you will publisize your experience, attempts to make improvements, and their reactions to all the couples you know....then post it on this board. We need to all stick together on this and not allow a few bad apples keep us out of our clubs.

 

The club owners that "get it" bend over backwards to listen to their members and keep their couples happy are not the ones that are struggling financially and not the ones that would allow that obnoxious sideline behaviour. The couples clubs we go to are like Tybee described. They have a variety of play areas from open to semi-private to private. These clubs understand and know their members and have figured out the obvious...that we, as a group, have a wide variety of comfort levels and turn ons/turn offs etc. and know that keeping us happy will increase their bottom line. The clubs that DON'T "get it" and are "jumping the shark" for the fast cash...will not be around for long!

 

We as a group are a fast growing economic force. So, speak up, demand respect and use your power! Allie

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Maybe a better question would be..

 

"Are swing clubs doing everything they can to be the kinds of places that would make people want to have sex there? Or do the owners seem to be happy with fewer people actually participating, as long as they have a lot of people in attendance?"

 

OK, that's 2 questions, I know. But look at what's happening at the clubs...

 

People are being admitted late...long after anybody with a legitimate interest in meeting and socializing with other couples would show up. It's safe to guess why they're showing up late....they have no intention of actually getting to know anybody, much less to play. They're there to watch, period. It might cost the club owners a few bucks, but if they would start enforcing their policy on late arrivals, it would cut down on "lookie-loos" and people who are just interested in watching us "freaks" put on a sex show for their pleasure.

 

"Limited numbers" of "select, single males?" What a fucking JOKE! How many club owners are in a financial position to turn away $500-$1,000 cash on a Saturday night just to make their club more couples- or play-friendly? The few that are lack the stones to do it. And what do they mean by 'select?" Judging from what we've seen, it means any Bozo who comes through the door who's not wearing a badge, carrying a camera, or puking his guts out. One of the local clubs we belong to has become so popular with married men and transient truck drivers that we're no longer comfortable dressing down in front of them at ANY hour. Bear in mind that my lady-friend is something of an exhibitionist and that I was a card-carrying nudist for 5 years, so it's not like we're "shy" for cripes sakes! We go, we talk to people, we shoot some pool, maybe flash a little tit, and leave. That's IT.

 

I guess that makes US "lookie-loos" too, eh? Well, tough shit. It's not our job to provide the "adult entertainment" for every mouth-breather, social misfit, and thrill-seeker that wanders through the door. If and when we find a group and a setting in which we're comfortable proceeding further, we will.

 

Until then...Lookie-Loo! Lookie-Loo!

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Speak to the owners about your concerns and if they are not receptive to change and seem to be catering more to the obnoxious lookie-loo crowd instead of the swinging couples then do not go...Not only tell them you will not be back but tell them you will publisize your experience...then post it on this board.
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I did that a couple years ago. Twice, actually. The first time we had a problem at one club, it WAS the manager, who happens to be a single male, and who was apparently somewhat smitten with my female companion. Since he couldn't take the hint that we weren't interested in having him join us, and he was the manager, we left early.

 

A few weeks later we went back. This time, the manager was nowhere to be seen, but one of his assistants followed us into a group area and wouldn't take the hint to leave us alone, so we asked security to intervene on our behalf. The security man laughed and did nothing, so we again left the premises.

 

(We later learned that the "assistant" really didn't attend to club to party with his wife. Once there, they usually separated, she to "entertain" the rest of the male staff, he to jack-off on female guests clothing and beds. No wonder none of the male staff wanted to confront him.)

 

This time, we did as you suggested, and posted both of our experiences in the "club reviews" section of another swingers website. We received several PM's saying that we were not alone in our experience, and that the same thing (with the same people) had happened to them at the club.

 

Did our review fix the problem? No...but it DID get us kicked out of the club, :lol:

 

The next time we arrived at the club, the manager was ready for us, with a copy of our review in his hand. He told us that if we would retract everything, including mention of the role he played in the first incident, all would be forgiven and we would be allowed to enter. If we didn't, he would ban us from the club.

 

We came to the conclusion that if he was going to shadow us every time we attended the club, or his assistant was going to jack-off near our bed or on my companions clothes, we'd be better off elsewhere. We left, never to return.

 

Oh well....

 

Later, we learned that he had pulled some strings on the other website to get our factual-but-less-than-glowing review of his club removed. So much for journalistic integrity...

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It's not only possible, but one of the best clubs we ever attended did precisely that...had an area where street clothes were not permitted. Lingerie for the women and nudity (or a hand carried towel) for the men was the house rule. We thought it was great, AND, we weren't worried that anybody was hiding a video camera in their lapel.

 

That's exactly the same rule for the upstairs area in the club I was describing, too. They even provide lockers and keys to store your things for getting partially undressed (down to skivvies), changing into lingerie, or wrapping yourself in a towel that's provided by them. You can be totally nude, if you choose. You have to go through this dressing/undressing area before you get to the open sex area, semi-private sex areas, and private room sex areas. We thought it was a great set-up.

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Being watched by non participants would be something we would have to (if ever) grow into. Now, it would make us want to run away. Heck, we feel that even if we found a couple to play with, that closed private rooms for each pair (even given the possible problems that could arise) would suit our comfort level best to start. My wife can only envision being with a playmate in a closed room situation. It's too distracting otherwise in our fantasy of how it would all play out (at this point anyway.)

 

With all due respect, it doesn't sound like a club scene would work for you, unless you are just going to the social area to meet people, make contacts, and take your adventures elsewhere to the privacy of a hotel or a private home. I doubt that there are many on-premise clubs that can offer the level of privacy you described, with no distractions.

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With all due respect, it doesn't sound like a club scene would work for you, unless you are just going to the social area to meet people, make contacts, and take your adventures elsewhere to the privacy of a hotel or a private home. I doubt that there are many on-premise clubs that can offer the level of privacy you described, with no distractions.

 

Most clubs in our area have rooms with lockable doors.

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With all due respect, it doesn't sound like a club scene would work for you, unless you are just going to the social area to meet people, make contacts, and take your adventures elsewhere to the privacy of a hotel or a private home. I doubt that there are many on-premise clubs that can offer the level of privacy you described, with no distractions.

 

I think you may be right. There appears to be a dearth of suitable off-premise clubs here just to meet people and talk. And we're in the geater L.A. area! I've checked the forum's club listings and most are on-premise. Forgive me for getting off topic, but do most on-premise clubs have a social area away from the action where you can meet and greet with people in a less sexually charged environment similar to an off-premise club?

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It seems you guys have it a lot worse than we do here in the UK. For one thing, we NEVER get groups of girls patrolling the clubs on a voyeurs mission - it just doesn't happen over here and it's rare to find one single woman in a club let alone gangs of them! The single guys have such a bad rap over here that they know if they cause any trouble at all they will be ejected from the club and never allowed back in again.

 

When playing the rooms are always quiet (apart from the screams and moans from the ladies participating of course). Watchers tend to keep quiet and they know that it WILL spoil the moment for both themselves and the couple/group they are watching. I have often looked up to find several people watching and that's when my 'kinky' hat comes on and I usually select one of them to come and play with us (usually unbeknown to my partner, but she has learned to expect that from me).

 

Things seem so much more different across the pond and I think it would be quite unnerving for foreigners playing in U.S. clubs for the very first time - it sure as hell wouldn't stop me trying it though :lol:

 

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Chicup said:
Most clubs in our area have rooms with lockable doors.

 

Dito

 

Our "home" club has private rooms. It is possible to play unwatched and undistracted.

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I think you may be right. There appears to be a dearth of suitable off-premise clubs here just to meet people and talk. And we're in the geater L.A. area! I've checked the forum's club listings and most are on-premise. Forgive me for getting off topic, but do most on-premise clubs have a social area away from the action where you can meet and greet with people in a less sexually charged environment similar to an off-premise club?

 

Hi warkman,

 

We don't have tons of experience with various on-premise clubs, because there are none where we live - we've had to go out of town to get to them. The one I described in this thread has all of the sex areas upstairs beyond that dressing/undressing area I described. The downstairs area is huge and all about socializing. Of course the later it gets, the more loose things are - sort of like a L.A. club might get late at night, I guess. ;) Women making out, boobies to be seen, really dirty dancing, etc. facelick

 

This particular on-premise club has a dance floor with live dj, three different bars, jacuzzi area, lingerie shop, pool tables, a buffet dinner area with tables (dinner is included every Friday & Saturday), and during the warm seasons a covered outdoor pool area. So to answer your question, all of these downstairs areas are for socializing and not for having sex. However, the great majority are there to eventually get upstairs, so even though they're polite, it may seem like more of a pressure situation to you if you're new or just looking to make some friends, first. In on-premise clubs people will be inviting you to go upstairs with them. You can always say no, of course.

 

Off-premise events, which are generally held at "regular" clubs and bars, are very laid-back, fun and friendly. It's all about meeting people on your own and taking your business elsewhere, if you wish to. We do have that here in our town, and they're nice. These events definitely beat the personal ads for meeting people, because if people show up to meet people face-to-face, odds are they're "real" and looking to make connections, too. You also can know immediately if you have any attraction, and not waste all that time emailing people, waiting for picture exchanges, and going on "blind dates". Off-premise socials are more like speed dating - meet lots of couples at once, and see who you like!

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I was in the "open" room one nite doing the happy with a gal. But first let me say that in this room, you're supposed to be naked and playing with someone, not just lurking. Well, I heard/felt someone join us on the mattress. When I looked over, much to my surprise, there was a m/f couple, fully clothed laying there close enough to feel there breath, staring at the joined bodies (us). I told them "I usually charge for the entertainment." They left and when we finished I went looking for the owners but while looking, I found that the couple was no longer at the club. So it was not possible to point them out.

 

Mind you, if they had been naked, I would have enjoyed the participation even if just visual but they weren't even adventerous enough to disrobe. They just wanted to watch. I've thought of so many clever things I shoulda said. I can really be clever when I have the time to think about it.....lol.

 

Thanks for letting me get it off my chest.

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I was in the "open" room one nite doing the happy with a gal. But first let me say that in this room, you're supposed to be naked and playing with someone, not just lurking. Well, I heard/felt someone join us on the mattress. When I looked over, much to my surprise, there was a m/f couple, fully clothed laying there close enough to feel there breath, staring at the joined bodies (us). I told them "I usually charge for the entertainment." They left and when we finished I went looking for the owners but while looking, I found that the couple was no longer at the club. So it was not possible to point them out.

 

Mind you, if they had been naked, I would have enjoyed the participation even if just visual but they weren't even adventerous enough to disrobe. They just wanted to watch. I've thought of so many clever things I shoulda said. I can really be clever when I have the time to think about it.....lol.

You realize, of course, that what that couple did that night may have been the most sexy, erotic thing that they have ever done together? It's not hard for me to imagine that even now, they think about that night when they're together, and that the memory is a continual source of arousal for them.

 

It's also not hard for me to imagine that the experience was a sort of "jumping off point" for them, and that they went on to further adventures. Maybe not at your club (for various reasons, many couples prefer to have their first experiences away from home) but somewhere.

 

I'm really glad that you didn't say anything overtly unpleasant to them. Knowing that it was OK to proceed at a pace that was comfortable for them, and that they wouldn't be considered freaks or pervs for wanting to explore their sexuality with other couples in close proximity, probably did more to advance the lifestyle than you realize.

 

It's important to remember that every person who participates in an "alternative lifestyle" becomes a de facto "Ambassador" for that lifestyle. What you say and how you treat people, especially new people, has a lot to do with how they regard this lifestyle and whether or not they'll ever come back.

 

You handled this situation with a lot of class. Thanks...

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We have never been to a club, we plan on going to one soon, but I would feel horrible if i couldn't have my cell phone. I have kids!!! While I don't have a camera on my phone I am always accessible to my children. They are old enough to stay alone while we go play but not old enough to handle an emergency. (16 & 13) I have a neighbor who keeps an eye on my house while we're gone and if they need immediate help she is there but they still need a way to contact us if something should happen. (god forbid),

 

I would not like folks taking pics of me but I think there needs to be a balance for the parent. It's not like I can give my kids the # to the club, they are old enough to figure that out.

 

Since we have never been to a club we probably would want to watch and not participate the first time. We are still going to go, the club owner I spoke with is going to have a "host couple" to show us around and make introductions, answer questions and such for at least the first hour we are there. She said if we have problems or questions the other couples we are introduced to by the "host couple" will help if they are busy. They are all members of the club. I feel great about that!

 

So maybe having a certain amount of accountability by the club members to the newbies would keep them at bay if they are only there to watch. You could spend an hour with them and know if they are real Swingers :) or lookie loos.

 

I was informed that the first 2 times we can go to the club and not participate after that if we come back we need to at least get nude if nothing else, that sounds reasonable to me. You are given a pass with an access # so they know how many times you have been there. If you don't have an access # you don't get in the door. I think that is a good idea too.

 

Although we are extremely new to the lifestyle we feel we have chosen a quality place to explore. This is my first post.

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www.swinglifestyle.com/

 

warkman- check here for more off premise clubs in your area...I see quite a few in the OC :)

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couplenlove said:

We have never been to a club, we plan on going to one soon, but I would feel horrible if i couldn't have my cell phone. I have kids!!! While I don't have a camera on my phone I am always accessible to my children. They are old enough to stay alone while we go play but not old enough to handle an emergency. (16 & 13) I have a neighbor who keeps an eye on my house while we're gone and if they need immediate help she is there but they still need a way to contact us if something should happen. (god forbid),

 

I would not like folks taking pics of me but I think there needs to be a balance for the parent. It's not like I can give my kids the # to the club, they are old enough to figure that out.

 

Welcome to the board!

 

Putting aside the "balance for the parent" for a moment, what will you do with your phone during your third visit to the club, when you are supposed to take off all your clothes? Strap the phone to your thigh?

 

You may feel that you have to be available every minute by phone, but the people getting naked and having sex have a right to know they are not going to be photographed. Your phone may not have a camera, but that is difficult to tell without inspecting it, which is clearly not going to work for most people. Most phones have cameras these days, so it is a good assumption. Photographs aside, a phone ringing in a play area is not cool at all.

 

The people in the club have a reasonable expectation that cell phones will not be present when they are not clothed. I'm willing to bet almost everyone will join me in thinking that that expectation outweighs your desire to be immediately available every minute. Remember, ten years ago parents went out all the time without cell phones, and we're all still breathing.

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couplenlove said:

We have never been to a club, we plan on going to one soon, but I would feel horrible if i couldn't have my cell phone. I have kids!!! While I don't have a camera on my phone I am always accessible to my children. They are old enough to stay alone while we go play but not old enough to handle an emergency. (16 & 13) I have a neighbor who keeps an eye on my house while we're gone and if they need immediate help she is there but they still need a way to contact us if something should happen. (god forbid),

 

I would not like folks taking pics of me but I think there needs to be a balance for the parent. It's not like I can give my kids the # to the club,

 

The club I mentioned here - the one that doesn't allow any cell phones or other digital items beyond the front area - many people do bring their cell phones, and leave them checked securely at the front. They can go back to the front and check their phone for messages as often as they like. That's the balance. Many, many people at swing clubs are parents, too.

 

There are many kinds of hidden cameras these days. That's why electronic devices of any type aren't welcome inside of the club. I appreciate the levels this club goes to protect the privacy of members inside. I wouldn't want anybody owning a picture of me that I didn't want them to have. There is no telling what a person could do with that.

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While we're still newbies ourselves and haven't had the nerve to ask others to join us or ask another couple to join them, we generally like to watch others at play, after all they left the curtain and door open. We consider it a privilege - and we watch in silence. We have reciprocated and played in a room with the curtain wide open for all to see, as my wife has a streak of exhibitionist in her, as well as feeling rather freaky that night. But it bothers the heck out of me when I'm able to hear the lookie-loos outside not even discussing sex, or what we're doing, or complaining that there's "no one playing," or that other play rooms have their windows and doors closed - NO! They're out there discussing politics, sports, and at one point, how their stocks fared that week!! For gosh sakes, take it out in the public area! Like spoo says, I'm trying to "get my mojo working" and it's been derailed by morons yacking it up outside, talking about everything but sex.

 

As a footnote I should say that I noticed a couple quietly watching us play and they seemed to be locked in each other's arms as they watched. Later that evening as my wife and I were leaving and gathering our stuff from our locker, a couple in their 50s (we're in our 30s-40s) came in and sat quietly in one of the benches and very politely excused themselves if they were intruding while my wife was getting undressed and completely naked while getting back into her street clothes, as they said their locker was next to ours. We said "no problem we'll be out of here shortly." They told us not to rush, the gentleman said he was enjoying the view, and then he said "we just wanted to thank you for the show back there. It was very nice," which his wife followed with "yes, it was very nice, thank you very much." Upon closer examination they looked like your neighborhood minister and the minister's wife: he had a cherubic face, steel-rimmed glasses and a gentle smile, and his wife pretty much mirrored his outlook, but without the glasses. Despite her wearing a very revealing lingerie, she still looked like a very classy, refined looking woman - worthy of a minister's wife!

 

When we got done we kinda lingered and talked pleasantries with them for a while as they gathered their stuff from their locker. We bid each other good night and went our separate ways. My wife and I talked about that night and that couple for days afterwards. It was nice to know that we made someone's night-out an enjoyable experience. I guess my point is they're not all that bad. It's the proverbial bad apples that ruin an otherwise pleasant evening for others.

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I will strap it to my pussy put it on vibrate and constantly call myself with my hubby's phone. LOL , since I probably won't be a participant the first 2 times maybe I will get off.

 

I understand what you are saying, I have no problem with leaving it somewhere it is accessible I just want to be able to check it. If I'm involved in "the fun" I would not call the kids to check in. I just want to know they can contact me. You are correct that new technology is available and our parents certainly didn't have them but I do and i like it. I like being accessible to my kids 24/7, It makes me feel safe as long as they don't call I know they are probably safe. With a 13 year old boy safe is a relative term but as long as the phone doesn't vibrate I know he probably doesn't need stitches (Again!) I would put it on vibrate and leave it in my bag with my condoms, towels and such.

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One of our favorite clubs did something I found unique last weekend. They had an invitation only party. The owners went through and invited a large number of couples that they felt would mesh well together, and also that were all participants. None of the "watchers" were invited. Ended up being a great night overall, although had one loud obnoxious woman interrupting things. But then I've already mentioned her. Being one of the invited couples made us feel good and the overall clientele that night was a cut above the normal (which is usually very good). Looking forward to the next one.

 

Back to the subject...

 

We're not opposed to watchers. Many of them are new couples, working up the courage to take the next step. Perhaps most will never become full swap couples, but a few will. Others will work up to soft swap, some will limit themselves to same-room activities and some will go away and never return. I don't see any advantage to telling them to put out or get out, or forcing nudity on them to observe. That will just chase many away and give them the impression they have to participate with anyone and everyone to be part of this lifestyle. If they are quiet and respectful, we have been told, it's a helluva show. Perhaps sitting down with the club owners and discussing the issues might help. See if they can be convinced to make "quiet and respectful in the play areas" stressed in the initial orientation.

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Many of them are new couples, working up the courage to take the next step.

 

I don't think so really. No one at a swing club is a virgin, they know what sex looks like, and I don't think watching others have sex is a stepping stone for most swingers. The first baby step in swinging seems to be same room sex, and that's a far cry from being just a watcher.

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    • By Wendans
      My fantasy has always been to watch my wife get fucked by another man. We have been with another woman before which is a whole story in itself that I’ll tell you about later.
       
      One night several years ago my wife and I had gone to a club. Not your ordinary club, but a good club for swingers and singles. The night had started out rather slow and we were not finding any action that I had hoped. My wife knows what she wants and that is what we go with. And that night we found what she wanted and it was such a great experience she knew she wanted to do it again. She had gotten fucked by a black guy and she had enjoyed it. So, when we got the chance, she wanted to try it again.
       
      Being at a swinger’s club isn’t really her thing, but fucking in front of people or listening to them fuck is a big turn-on for her. Since we don’t live close to any swingers’ clubs or anything of that nature, we don’t get many opportunities to do anything like this.
       
      A couple of years ago we got a chance to go to another club. Yes, one of those clubs. We were looking for a little fun and hoping to find something as good as the last time we were out. We talked to many people as the night went on and my wife was trying to figure out what we were going to be doing to have fun that night. There was a hot blonde that was interested in us and kept on grabbing my cock which my wife was loving because this was getting her going. My wife and I decided that this was not what we had in mind for tonight, so we just kind of let that slide and we went on to pursue something else. She said she would know it when she saw it.
       
      My wife had put a couple of drinks down and was feeling pretty good now. She was a little more daring and said she wanted to go change outfits like she did when we had been to a club previously. We had brought the very same sexy outfit that was see through, so she went and changed into it. When she came back out, there was not one guy's eyes on anyone but her. Even the women were looking on in awe. She is a beautiful woman that knows how to control a room.
       
      One guy came up to me and told me he was jealous. He said he would do anything to get to fuck my wife, but she just didn’t feel right with him, I guess. As we were standing around, in came this well-built younger black guy and I think she almost came right there. The look on her face was almost mind blowing. She got this horny grin and told me she was ready to start our night. As he walked by her, she gave him this dirty smile and took her hand and rubbed down by her cunt. He stopped walking and came over to her and asked if he could help her with anything. She just smiled and said that I think you already know what you can do. They danced around a little bit, but I could tell she couldn’t take it anymore, so she quickly unzipped his pants and took out his cock and grabbed it and lead him into another room like a dog on a leash.
       
      I stayed back a couple of minutes to give them some time to get to know each other. When I did finally get to the other room, they had already undressed and she was sucking his cock. It was larger than mine. Not much longer, but thicker. I could tell she liked it.
       
      My wife had picked a room where people would be able to watch if they wanted to. I stayed back in the wings and was kind of hidden so she really didn’t know I was even there.  As I watched my wife in action, I could tell she was enjoying every second of this guy’s cock. She was sucking it like there was no tomorrow.
       
      Now it was his turn to return the favor. He got his face down to her pussy and started licking like it was candy. She was turning red and I could tell she was already about to cum. She was squirming and shaking and he was getting her cunt all ready for his big shaft. But before he fucked her, he now spread her legs out and started fingering her pussy to the point that she started squirting fluids all over the sheet they were laying on. It was like the flood gates had opened up and all the juices were flowing.
       
      She finally had all she could take because I’m sure she had cum multiple times already and I could tell she just wanted to have him inside her. I heard her say to give me your big, black cock. He asked her if she wanted him to put on a condom and she told him no, she wanted to feel him inside her cunt.
       
      He took her and spread her legs wide and slowly inserted his bbc into her tight cunt. She told him to go slowly because she said it was so big that she needed to get used to it. After several minutes of the slow movement, she said she needed him to fuck her harder so he started to go full penetration into her dripping wet cunt. She was telling him how good his cock felt, and how she loved fucking him.
       
      They switched positions multiple times with her sitting on top of his cock and riding him like she has never ridden before. My wife took his whole cock inside of her as deeply as she could, rubbing back and forth and cumming time and time again.
       
      They finally switched back to missionary style and were fucking hard when I heard her say to him, she wanted him to cum in her pussy. She said she wanted to feel his cum drip out of her pussy all night long. When he heard her say that, he started to pick up the pace and finally started moaning and said he was about to cum. My wife was now cumming herself and as he shot his load inside of her, she started squirming and shaking with every pulse of his exploding cock. Her body was red from all of her orgasms, and I could tell she was getting worn out. They had gone for almost 40 minutes of nonstop action. Not to mention that all the other people that had gathered around to watch started going to other parts of the place as they had gotten a show that they would remember forever.
       
      When he pulled his now soft cock out of my wife, I could see the cum dripping down her ass. She was getting what she wanted, I guess. She would be able to feel his cum dripping out of her the rest of the night. But I didn’t realize that she was not done yet. She wanted more. My wife took his cock and started sucking on it again. I guess he was young enough that almost instantly he got hard and she took his cock and guided it into her cunt and said she needed more of his cum. He fucked her for another 10 minutes until he exploded with more cum inside my wife’s pussy again. Again, as I watched the cum drip down her ass, she was getting what she wanted. She was going to feel this the rest of the night.
       
      They both started cleaning up a little and I slowly came out of the crowd that had gathered. She saw me and gave me that dirty little smile she sometimes gets. My wife asked me if I had enjoyed her show. She said she needed to have a little more cum in her pussy tonight and she now wanted mine. Her new little friend just kind of sat back in the corner and decided to watch us.
       
      I knew I wouldn’t last long because I had almost cum multiple times just watching her. With some of the crowd still watching I got undressed, and slid my wet with pre-cum cock into my wife’s cum-loaded pussy. I fucked her until she started cumming. Her cunt convulsed so hard that it squeezed my cock and made me start to cum. I came in her pussy, mixing my cum with my wife’s new fuck buddies cum. I pulled my cock out and watched it all slowly slide down her ass. She got up and went over to our young fuck buddy and she gave him a long passionate kiss and said thank you for such a great time. He gave her one last little finger fucking and handed her a card of his if we were ever in the area again.
       
      He left after he got dressed and we got cleaned up and went out to the main room. I had multiple people including women and even the bartender say that my wife was one of the women they would like to fuck if they ever got a chance after seeing her in action. I guess I’m the lucky one here.
       
      Later that night when we were driving to our resort, she slipped her hand down pants and put her fingers in her pussy. She brought them out and rubbed them on my face. She smiled and said we gotta do this again sometime as we pulled into the parking lot to call it a night.
       
      And what a night it was.
    • By SPaige24
      My husband and I have been together for almost 10 years. I have always been bi- curious, but kept it as secret until the last month. Little did I know that he had a small feeling (thanks to a few drunk nights with my friend). Our marriage is very strong, and we are very opened with each other. I told him that I wanted to have a have sexual encounter with another female. He is on board, and we even talked about a MFM threesome as well.
       
      Here is my issue... How do I find someone? That friend is no longer a friend, I can't do dating apps because of my job, and I personally don't want someone we know. I have looked into Swinger Clubs, and I realize that finding a bisexual/lesbian female who is single is hard. We are opened to a couple if need be. I just want my husband there and or involved.
       
      My question is... What is it like going to a swingers club? Will there be people our age (27-30), are "predators" real, and how do I find a club? We are located in Washington, PA.
    • By AdamGunn2
      It was a fairly typical night at D.J.s Island, an early autumn evening. Mary and I hadn’t set anything up in advance, we’d decided to go almost at the last moment. From the second we entered the door our radar was beaming across the club, searching for a couple that might be searching for what we were also interested in - an enjoyable tryst.
       
      Mary took a few minutes to change into what she called a ‘trolling outfit.’ As I remember, that night it was a black babydoll with a loose bodice, thong, low heels. Many men admired her legs as I checked the forty or so women, many as scantily clad as my wife. None of our regular playmates seemed to be in attendance that evening, but we had our customs, we weren’t concerned. Perhaps an hour and a half later, I sat at a table next to the dance floor, Mary was on her feet, on the parquet, moving her body, seeing if anyone would move in. A slow sequence of men approached her, danced with her. Some would take liberties such as moving their hands under her garment, feeling the small of her back, perhaps place their palm on the roundness of her ass.
       
      I’d seen this many times before, I waited for one of two reactions.
       
      The first was that she’d spin away from the man; it signified she wasn’t interested in what he had to offer.
       
      The second was that she’d get closer, I’d watch her whisper in his ear. I knew the question, “Where’s your wife?” Some of them would shake their heads, they were attending as one of the few single men the club allowed, and when they received Mary’s response, they’d move away - that’s not what we were looking for at the moment.
       
      But the man might indicate where his wife was dancing a few feet away. When this kind of thing happened, Mary would glance to me and give our special signal - she’d put one hand on the back of her head, one on her stomach. When I got the cue, I’d come out, we’d dance as a foursome.
       
      As I approached, a man grasped the elbow of a tall attractive lady who was more modestly dressed, at least for the club. There was no conversation on the dance floor, the heavy volume of music and the thumping of the bass wouldn’t allow for speech. But I could tell the woman was interested in me, the four of us paired off and I often found myself facing this vixen. It was obvious they were as interested in us as I was in them, I could tell by the way Mary was rubbing against the man that she felt the same.
       
      After a couple of songs, Mary led the way off the floor, holding his hand, leading us off into a corner away from the speakers. As we sat, the man said, “I’m Ed, this is my wife, Marilyn.”
       
      Marilyn and I softly shook hands, I believe she raised the hem of her skirt to give me a view of her upper thighs. Ed had no problem seeing Mary’s legs, or where they met - she was sitting so that the babydoll was gathered to her side, leaning forward so her globes were exposed to his view.
       
      “Do you come here often?” Ed asked.
       
      “Every few weeks,” I responded, “you?”
       
      “This is our first time here.” Mary gave him a look that asked for further info. “We’re just starting this,” he admitted.
       
      Marilyn picked it up. “We’ve only had one time with a couple of friends. We liked it, heard about this place, decided to see if we could get into more trouble.”
       
      “Trouble’s our middle name,” I joked.
       
      Our conversation continued, where do you live, what movies have you seen lately, etc. It was a screen, of course, we were all calculating if the four of us would be pleasurable bedmates. I paid my attention to Marilyn, my wife had told me numerous times not to worry about her, she can take care of herself. My hand found Marilyn’s knee, she smiled at me, encouraged me to reach a tad higher. We bent towards each other, our mouths met.
       
      Marilyn opened her lips to me, the kiss was ardent, her mouth moist. She licked at my upper lip, her hand fondled the back of my neck. Our tongues clashed, promising cupidity, mimicking what I presumed our bodies might be doing in a few scant moments.
       
      We broke for a moment, Marilyn invited, “Would you guys want to go to one of the rooms?”
       
      I, of course, was all for it, but then I heard Mary. “Uh, not right now. But thanks.”
       
      We’ve always had the guideline that if one person doesn’t want to do something, she speaks for both of us. Regretfully, I pecked at Marilyn’s lips a last time, we stood, went separate ways.
       
      “You’re not upset, are you?” Mary asked me.
       
      “Of course not, not at all. You’re not in the mood?”
       
      “Oh, I’m in the mood all right, just not with Ed.”
       
      “Something wrong with him?” I asked.
       
      “I tried to get him interested,” Mary revealed, “but his kiss was a little cold, indifferent. I put my hand on his leg, he was too busy watching you and Marilyn, he never responded. My guess is that if we went into a room, he’d be watching you two, I’m not even sure he’d get hard for me.” It was a reasonable thought, it had happened to us a couple times before. “Hope you don’t mind, bet she’d have been a firecracker.”
       
      “Maybe. But you’re a firecracker too.”
       
      We headed back to the dance floor, in search of another couple.
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