If it were legal - would you sell your sex?

[ohhandahh 17]

I just watched the Keith Ablow show, kind of like Dr. Phil but no solving anyone's problems, just discussions, questions, more of a talk show. It was about the Bunny Ranch in Nevada where prostitution is legal. A tour showed how this place works. Each male is somewhat screened before selection of a girl. They go into a living room with private nooks so the girl can talk with the gentleman and get to know a little about him. Each girl is a private contractor and can turn down the gentleman if she doesn't want to do him. Each girl has her own rules about what she will and will not do, and sets her own price for what the guy wants.

 

One girl in her late 30's early 40's had worked at the Ranch 7 months, entertained 75 guys in that time and made over $100,000. That averages over $1,300 per guy, so they are all professionals, not riff raff. 75 guys in 7 months is about 3 guys per week @$1300 each is about $4000 a week x 52 weeks is about $208,000.00 per year. This lady is married. She had a discussion with her husband about going to work there. She said on the show she likes sex with strangers. If they were not in Nevada it may have been a discussion about swinging 3somes. All the girls were asked why they enjoyed their job and all said they loved sex, the money was great, but they liked sex. My impression was they would have worked for office wages to have the sex. They, like swingers, realize the difference between sex and love.

 

They, like swingers, had sex with men they just met, as wives do at an on-premise sex club.

 

I am not trying to say swingers are like prostitutes. The thread is for fun, information and deep thinking, and maybe a fantasy. Please don't flame me if you take exception to the thread or make assumptions I have not made.

 

The question is, if such a place as the Bunny Club was legal near you, would a swinger wife work as a prostitute there? The word "prostitute" prompts a negative reaction. If you would be called something like a sex therapist practitioner, not having the stigma as "prostitute" does, would you, as a swinger who likes sex with other men, do it for that kind of money in a nice, clean place like the Bunny Ranch was portrayed? Three guys a week for five years is over a million dollars. You would never have to work again in your entire life. Would you do it? Or would you give it away as a swinger, thinking your morals are above playing for money? The wife could be in one room, getting money for sex while her husband could be in another room and give the money back to the girl he was having sex with, a net result of zero dollars. Just like couples who swing in separate rooms.

[LFM2 1,482]

Ya know, one of my best female friends (Mr. LFM is my bestest friend) did a speech for college on legalizing prostitution in Idaho. She talked to many of the girls at the Bunny Ranch for her information, and come to find out, many of the girls there are married, yet are just going to "work" like they would at any other job. They do their work, go home and have a family to take care of there. She named names and talked to some of the regular girls at the Ranch who've worked there for quite a while. What a lot of people might not know is that the girls at the Ranch donate a lot of their money to charities around there. They've bought a new ambulance for the EMS unit and they also chipped in and rebuilt a house for a families that was destroyed by fire. Their hearts are big as gold.

 

I could do that! I really could! I don't know about the label, but I'd be a girl who just loves sex!

 

She spoke to many of the girls and everyone loved their jobs. After hearing her speech, she convinced me that I should work at the Bunny Ranch and I should fight to make prostitution legal in Idaho.

[good times 991]

First I will just say, don't believe everything you see on TV.

 

I know several women that work at the ranches here, included the Bunny Ranch, but I have never met one that "actually" does it for the sex. Of course it is good business to say that if someone with a camera asks you. Additionally, I have never met one that could afford a mansion or drove around in a Mercedes. If they are good and work long hours they make pretty decent money but those figures sound highly inflated to me. Keep in mind that the owner of the Bunny Ranch is a good promoter and the women interviewed work for him. Even if they did make the money they claimed he gets half of it, and like any other business, their are expenses involved that trim down what actually gets taken home to a much more modest income figure than the gross income would lead one to believe. Mrs. GT and I admire these women, because as she says, "I sure couldn't do it", to be successful at it takes a very special kind of woman.

[highlander 21]

First off, I agree that prostitution should be legal. I'd regulate it a little differently than Nevada does though. Nevada only allows prostitutes to work ree of major diseaese to work in the brothels-but does nothing to test the customers. I'd test the customers too--and match up the clients and providers with folks that have the _same_ diseases. Frankly, the last thing I want is some guy with HIV having sex with uninfected women.

 

Anyhow, I had a friend that worked in Nevada for a while. She said that most of her coworkers weren't really making much money-and most of them had a pimp somewhere in the background.

 

Anyhow, some of the highest paid sex workers aren't having sex with strangers. Some of the ones I've heard about making substantial money were "kept women" who had more than one guy contributing to their lifestyle. This is kind of a gray area between a girlfriend that gets her rent paid and a pay-for-service prostitute(since there may be 3-5 different guys contributing to this lady's lifestyle--and they are all much more stable relationships).

[iapr 24]

While it is interesting to compare swinging women with professional prostitutes I am going to have to say that they are two completely different things. I think it is like comparing a professional NASCAR driver to a taxi driver. They both drive cars and make money doing it but the simalarities pretty much end there.

 

I think your swinger/prostitute comparison ends at enjoying sex and separating sex and love. Heck my grandmother probably enjoyed sex and I know she knew there was a difference between sex and love but she was niether a swinger or prostitute.

 

There probably are some hookers that are in the lifestyle that do both for the reasons you mentioned but I would be willing to bet that if you were to sit down and really talk to the married hookers you would find that most of them would consider themselves to be in a traditional monogamous marriage when they punch out from work at the end of the day.

 

Swingers may see a separation between sex and love but swingers also are largely interested in the open and erotic social envirnment and get a lot pleasure and excitement from both the sex as well as the social interaction.

Hookers may enjoy sex to a degree , afterall sex is pleasurable, but make no mistakes the hookers are in it for the money and for the work hours. They are going to work just as you and I.

 

I enjoy my job and if I am being interviewed on tv I will say I love it, but I go to work every day for the pay and benifits pure and simple. I would not do it for free just because I enjoy it and I bet the hookers view it the same way. Many have home and families for the same reason we all do and they go to work for money to pay for the home and families just like we all do.

[highlander 21]

There probably are some hookers that are in the lifestyle that do both

for the reasons you mentioned but I would be willing to bet that if you

were to sit down and really talk to the married hookers you would find

that most of them would consider themselves to be in a traditional

monogamous marriage when they punch out from work at the end of the day.

 

I've had a couple friends that were hookers that also enjoyed lifestyle parties. However, in both cases they were _barely_ fitting the term "hooker"--and were much more focused on the "Girl Friend Experience" or Courtesan level of that occupation.

 

I think most hookers are purely motivated by money-but for some it is an artform. My experience is that a lot of the ones for whom the work is art tend to gravitate to the lifestyle when they retire. Someone that has been working on the high end of that profession isn't likely to want to "slum"--and the simple fact is that high end prositutes don't have a real high lifetime working in that profession. Some establish stable clientles-but a lot don't. The smart ones retire with a degree of financial comfort.

 

However, someone that has been having sex several times per week for while-and often enjoying it doesn't just stop cold turkey. The lifestyle is someplace where a woman that likes having sex with 3-4 different men 8-10 times week has respectability-and even status.

[BiloxiCouple 695]

The media has too many shades of grey and too many twists on a story. Too many generaliztions and too many "what ifs".

[ohash01 20]

Could I be a protitute? Probably not. I am just FAR too picky. I wouldn't make any money. I have no moral issues with it, that's a personal choice. It's just not for me. Plus, I agree with one of the previous posters - I'd be anal about it...I'd need every man I chose to hook up with to present me with a clean bill of health, preferably hand written, signed by their doctor AND notarized. Haha.

 

Now being a "kept-woman" or "courtesan" COULD fly with me. Does it happen much in today's society? I doubt it. I'm not very needy...I don't want jewels or a Mercedes...I want my mortgage and my college loans paid. Haha. And I wouldn't have 50 men running into the brothel each night that I know nothing about and may/may not be physically attractd to...I'd have 3 or 4 men in my life that would be sweet and doting. Hmmm...or maybe I say that because I'm in love with Victorian-era romance novels. *shrugs*. I'm kind of old fashioned in that I want the people I hook up with to atleast LIKE "ME" a little...not just my body or my mind-blowing sexual abilities

[highlander 21]

Could I be a protitute? Probably not. I am just FAR too picky. I wouldn't make any money. I have no moral issues with it, that's a personal choice. It's just not for me. Plus, I agree with one of the previous posters - I'd be anal about it...I'd need every man I chose to hook up with to present me with a clean bill of health, preferably hand written, signed by their doctor AND notarized. Haha.

Is it you--or do you simply have a variety of more attractive choices in this society at this time? There are those that would rather die than become a prostitute-and those that would engage in prostitution if it was a choice between staying middle class via prostitution-and abject poverty.

 

From what I've heard, in Brazil, prostitution among middle class women is _much_ more common in the US. Brazilian society is much more harsh-you have things like bad credit ratings that stick with someone the rest of their lives.

 

 

Now being a "kept-woman" or "courtesan" COULD fly with me. Does it happen much in today's society? I doubt it.

I've known women who did this. Now, this wasn't a real "high end" kept woman. She was a "welfare mom" who had children with 5 different men-4 of whom were well-to-do businessmen(older guys with a bit of real estate-not the type that would buy a Mercedes). Those guys knew dang well it was cheaper to keep her happy than to bring governmental services into the issue-so "father unknown" went on the birth certificate-and they paid on the side. She dabbled in swinging-and as well as the clients usually had a "boy toy" or two around. This lady wasn't especially good looking-or educated-but she wasn't an idiot-and was "morally flexible".

 

I'm not very needy...I don't want jewels or a Mercedes...I want my mortgage and my college loans paid.

basically what she got was most of what child support would have been-plus a lot of independence, public assistance and a good relationship with the fathers of her kids. Now welfare laws have changed a bit-I'm not sure how this niche works in today's kinder, gentler america.

 

The other variation I've seen is the "corporate concubine". Basically women that are attached to a highly placed corporate executive-and follow that guy where ever he goe-and get placed into jobs for which they aren't qualified for on the basis of providing sexual favors(or at least the possibility of them). Basically it is hard for executives to pay themselves a high salary, but if they are in a position to hire folks, they can hire "concubines" as a perk--and hide that. From what I could see, some of these ladies were more attached to their corporate patrons than their own husbands. Now, those ladies run the risk of getting discarded--or passed around- as they age-and they are more likely to be highly emotionally attached to what is really a sociopathic corporate manager--and to be strung along financially. I've seen companies where a lot of the higher level managers were lesbians-because I think they tended to be more trustworthy in that respect than their male counterparts-and were thus able to better maintain cohesion in their corporate harems. I'd personally rather my daughter become a kept woman-or a prostitute that saves her money than a corporate concubine. However, as private wealth in the US gets more and more concentrated, we are seeing more these "games".

 

Also, any place I've lived where there was a lot of disposable wealth, there was lot of prostitution--and kept women and such.

[Chicup 42]

Prostitutes tend to have sex with low quality men who can't get it on their own in exchange for money.

 

Casual sex isn't that difficult if you have anything going for you. While the old 'you pay them to go away' may be true for famous/wealthy, most guys looking for hookers are neither famous nor wealthy. They are losers or just too old to get younger women.

 

Maybe the women love having sex with lifes losers and men as old as their fathers, but I somehow doubt thats their first choice.

 

Swinging women may have sex right away with someone they just met, but its her choice because she wants to have sex, and she can say no to those that she doesn't find attractive.

 

While I find nothing wrong with prostitution on a moral level, I find this question almost offensive. Comparing swinging to prostitution shows that someone doesn't really get it. You ask not to be flamed, you say that swingers are like prostitutes, yet we are suppose to play a mental game and pretend that they are?

 

What you are really asking is 'Women would you be a whore?' Some would, some wouldn't but to tie it in with swinging was not the way to go about it.

 

Oh and pay those girls an office wage and see how many stick around 'cause they like sex'.

[highlander 21]

Prostitutes tend to have sex with low quality men who can't get it on their own in exchange for money.

First off, I don't like a lot of what has been done with prostitution in the US. I don't like the prevalence of hookers that are IV drug users in some parts of the country for example. However, I have known many decent men that occaisionally used prostitutes. Men working necessary occuptations like long distance truckers that make it difficult to mainstain stable relationships tend to use the lower cost prostitutes for example(and IMHO get grossly ripped off

due to the way this is regulated in the US).

 

Anyhow, what is a "low quality" man? I see lots of sociopaths that get laid a lot-folks I'd NEVER want in my house--and have little interest to interact in any way except to make their lives more difficult. If you judge folks "quality" by their ability to get laid, I expect you have a VERY difficult time ahead for yourself.

 

Anyhow, my own experience in this subculture is as the _boyfriend_ not a client-of women who were providers. I have dated women with experience as prostitutes, women with experience as swingers, and women experienced as both. I'm not going to put any of them down.

 

Saying anyone with "anything going can get laid easily"? There are providers that specialize with specific groups of the disabled. I knew one guy with a masters from MIT-and other with a degree from U of Chicago that both had their first sexual experiences with prostitutes. These were both high gifted, decent guys-with the one big liability they were too dang fat.

 

Casual sex isn't that difficult if you have anything going for you. While the old 'you pay them to go away' may be true for famous/wealthy, most guys looking for hookers are neither famous nor wealthy. They are losers or just too old to get younger women.

Some of the subcultures in which prostitution use is very prevalent include the military, long distance truckers and specialty construction workers that travel a lot for work. I don't consider any of those guys "loosers"--except to the extent a sick society has made them so.

 

Swinging women may have sex right away with someone they just met, but its her choice because she wants to have sex, and she can say no to those that she doesn't find attractive.

we are blessed to live in the US -a society in which at least a minimum level of economic security is pretty universal-but we have a lot of lonely people compared to a lot of other countries. Personally, I'd rather improve income support and legalize and sanely regulate prostitution.

 

 

 

While I find nothing wrong with prostitution on a moral level, I find this question almost offensive. Comparing swinging to prostitution shows that someone doesn't really get it. You ask not to be flamed, you say that swingers are like prostitutes, yet we are suppose to play a mental game and pretend that they are?

It sounds to me like at a certain level you want approval from the "nice respectable people". I fully understand that swinging and prostitution are VERY different. On the other hand, there is _some_ overlap between the communities-and both communities have issues with stigma in some more conventional circles. I see this as a chance to give the same kind of respect to another community you might like for your own.

 

What you are really asking is 'Women would you be a whore?' Some would, some wouldn't but to tie it in with swinging was not the way to go about it.

 

Oh and pay those girls an office wage and see how many stick around 'cause they like sex'.

Try to run an economy without some of those "low quality" guys around-and see how fast the US degenerates into a situation like Brazil with a lot of women _happy_ to engage in prostitution to maintain their lifestyle.

[ohhandahh 17]

Dear Mr Chicup. I did not imply swingers are prostitutes, only made reference to the sexual openness simularities. You are the one who takes exception to the thread. Your right to do so. But do not make such an assumption and put it in my mouth. I said I did not imply anything. I said it was not to insult anyone. That it was conversational, for thinking people. If you are offended by a question no one else is, isnt that your problem? I dont need to hear about your thin skinned character and high moral attitude after going to lenght to include a disclaimer for people like you.

[iapr 24]

Prostitutes tend to have sex with low quality men who can't get it on their own in exchange for money.

 

Casual sex isn't that difficult if you have anything going for you. While the old 'you pay them to go away' may be true for famous/wealthy, most guys looking for hookers are neither famous nor wealthy. They are losers or just too old to get younger women.

 

Maybe the women love having sex with lifes losers and men as old as their fathers, but I somehow doubt thats their first choice.

 

Swinging women may have sex right away with someone they just met, but its her choice because she wants to have sex, and she can say no to those that she doesn't find attractive.

 

While I find nothing wrong with prostitution on a moral level, I find this question almost offensive. Comparing swinging to prostitution shows that someone doesn't really get it. You ask not to be flamed, you say that swingers are like prostitutes, yet we are suppose to play a mental game and pretend that they are?

 

What you are really asking is 'Women would you be a whore?' Some would, some wouldn't but to tie it in with swinging was not the way to go about it.

 

Oh and pay those girls an office wage and see how many stick around 'cause they like sex'.

 

 

 

 

I do agree with your last sentence but disagree with the rest. You say you find nothing wrong with prostitution on a moral level but you sure look down on the paying customers.

 

I do believe the cash exchange of prostitution is not for the sex but for the no strings element. You are not paying them for the sex you are paying them to forgo all preliminaries and then to walk away when it is done. I will concede that almost every guy can get a woman into bed with him some way some how but I do not think that paying cold hard cash is such a bad thing when you look at all the other ways guys get chicks into bed. With a cash exchange at the woman knows what she's in it for and what she is going to walk away with in the end.

 

I realize that prostitution has a real bad stigma in this society but as has been mentioned by other posters some of the guys that get the most chicks without paying are actually the ones that have the least amount of business being around any woman in the first place.

[djjwp 129]

I see no reason to put anyone down, this is a free country so we are told, there is no reason anyone should be treated any different from one another. I can talk with a prostitute as easy as I can a holy roller. We are all just trying to get through life as happy as we can. We should not be judgmental, we have enough idiots out there as politicians doing it for us.

 

I also see it strange that even Christ associated with prostitutes, tax collectors and such but we should not? Hummm, where have we gone as a society?

[Chicup 42]

I see no reason to put anyone down, this is a free country so we are told, there is no reason anyone should be treated any different from one another. I can talk with a prostitute as easy as I can a holy roller. We are all just trying to get through life as happy as we can. We should not be judgmental, we have enough idiots out there as politicians doing it for us.

 

I also see it strange that even Christ associated with prostitutes, tax collectors and such but we should not? Hummm, where have we gone as a society?

 

I forgot all about this post and missed a few replies.

 

I'm not in the mood to thread necro on those replies, but djjwp what was the point of your post?

 

I put down most prostitutes customers after watching to many episodes of cops and other sources and I stick by judgment.

[spectraschain 21]

after watching to many episodes of cops

Glad to see others that go to the deep well for viable information...

[Chicup 42]

Glad to see others that go to the deep well for viable information...

 

One problem with written text is conveying sarcasm.

[sereneiders 263]

The question is, if such a place as the Bunny Club was legal near you, would a swinger wife work as a prostitute there? The word "prostitute" prompts a negative reaction. If you would be called something like a sex therapist practioner, not having the stigma as "prostitute" does, would you, as a swinger who likes sex with other men, do it for that kind of money in a nice, clean place like the Bunny Ranch was protrayed? Three guys a week for five years is over a million dollars. You would never have to work again in your entire life. Would you do it? Or would you give it away as a swinger, thinking your morals are above playing for money?

 

Hey, I am the husband here, I would be giving up my ass for those figures! Of course, where I live making a millon dollars in a lifetime is a naive dream for the 99% of us.

 

Your question reminds me of a movie scene, two thieves in a public bathroom, one of them reluctant to commit a crime because of his own ethical limits. The other guy takes a papel towel, as it if were money, put it over a table and ask the guy "would you let someone fuck your ass for $100?". "Hell, no!" the other say. The first one start stacking up the towells, asking "how about $1,000?".... "how about $10,000?"... "100,000?"... "1,000,000?"... the other guy start thinking of it twice and it reaches a point where he finally say "well... I gess I would". Then, the first guys says "did you see? The world is full of whores, we're all whores... the problem is the lack of investors".

 

You piled up so many WHAT IFs as to make your example realistic. Would someone who already separates sex from love to the point of being able to pick and fuck a complete stranger, do the same for money, if the amount is big enough to throw away his/her etchical standards? Of course, because in your exmple you can increase the oferring as much as you want, as opposed to what happens for real. It's a tricky question, and for the sake of it, the whole premise about being a swinger has nothing to do with this.

 

This kid comes to his father asking for the diference between the words "really" and "eventually". The father puts the newspaper aside and give the kid a homework: "go and ask your mother and your sister if they would fuck a complete stranger for a millon bucks". The kid leaves the room and comes back later, telling his father: "well, both of them say they would... but I still don get it, what this have to do with my original question?". "Well, eventually we could have a couple millon dollars, but really we have two whores".

 

Swinging, swingers moral standards, or ANY other moral standard has nothing to do here.

[spectraschain 21]

One problem with written text is conveying sarcasm.

Naw...I believe I hit the "ten ring".....

[spectraschain 21]

swingers moral standards

I missed that memo...enlighten the masses with a copy, if you will...

[djjwp 129]

Naw...I believe I hit the "ten ring".....

 

 

Agreed

[sereneiders 263]

I missed that memo...enlighten the masses with a copy, if you will...

 

I'll send it to you as soon as I get it.

 

Meanwhile, let me talk about myself and the impression I get from most of the swingers I know of. When we were testing ths waters, one of our main concerns was the sort of people we'd meet. Our fear was to get surrounded by a bunch of craving sexaholics up to do whatever it takes in order to fuck you and your wife, even if this mean to provide missleading advice leading us to an scenario able to hurt ourselves and our relationship in the process.

 

The fact is, I consider ourselves people with high moral standards. Not something amazing, just stick to the very basics of "the end doesn't justify the means", valuating other people's health and feelings as we valuate our health and feelings. I consider those standards higher than the average you find around in many social and laboral environments. Surprisingly, when we actually meet swingers, we found out most of them share those standards.

 

Later on, you realize it isn't about filling your mouth with fancy words, but those standards, coincidentally, helps us prevent unwanted drama, perhaps given the fact that there is enough "oferring" in the "swinger's market" allowing us to be picky and chose people who take care of themselves, avoiding those prone to drama, even if they seems to be a good fuck at first glance.

 

At the end, the same means applied after following fancy precepts of solidarity and loving-each-other happens to fit like a shoe the ends of these people, even if because of being selfish. But it doesn't care too much why people behave some way or another, if the outcome is satisfactory for you.

 

So, talking about the "swinger's moral standards" to mean all of this seems fit enough, even if the same outcome were produced by people that, otherwise, you could deem as having "lower moral standards".

 

And I strongly believe this goes beyond my subjective impressions. This forum seems to me a bullet proff of those standards: just take a look at the time and effort the members spend providing advice, even if it goes against their interest when telling people not to swing at the "price" of "reducing the swinger's market", something happening way too often, and with a seldom massive coincidence of oppinions as to suppose this is an exceptional behavior instead of the rule.

 

In any case, most people I know of have moral standards, even if different or even opposed moral standards, but the lack of any moral standard only happens to people outcasted from the society, and I dare to say this is what we'd call a "psychosis". So, I don't understand where that cinical comment came from. I suppose that you have some moral standard yourself (hopefully!), as for you to assume the people around you doesn't have their own moral standards... unless you were believing you're above the rest of us. Right?

[spectraschain 21]

I'll send it to you as soon as I get it.

That was an excellent memo...

 

I love reading you, you'll of course need to excuse my occasional baiting...

[Tybee Swing 286]

I just watched the Keith Ablow show, kind of like Dr. Phil but no solving anyones problems, just discussions, questions, more of a talk show. It was about the Bunny Ranch in Nevada where prostitution is legal. A tour showed how this place works. Each male is somewhat screened before selection of a girl. They go into a living room with private nooks so the girl can talk with the gentleman and get to know a little about him. Each girl is a private contractor and can turn down the gentleman if she doesn't want to do him.

 

The Bunny Ranch is featured on an ongoing HBO documentary-style show called "Cat House". Usually, the girls are lined up in the front room of the Bunny Ranch when the guys arrive. The madam hollers through the place, "Girls! Line up!", and they all scurry out of their rooms to get picked from the line-up. That's not at all the way that things work for swingers, thankfully! After a girl is chosen out of the line-up, she'll chat with the guy at the bar or on a sofa for a little while, and this is mainly for the purpose of getting him lathered up and foaming at the mouth so that the negotiations for price will go well for her once she gets him in the room. Not at all the motivation of a female swinger during the chatting phase.

 

She said on the show she likes sex with strangers. If they were not in Nevada it may have been a discussion about swinging 3somes. All the girls were asked why they enjoyed their job and all said they loved sex, the money was great, but they liked sex. My impression was they would have worked for office wages to have the sex.

 

Having watched probably every episode of Cat House for a couple of seasons, I have to say that I don't have the impression at all that they'd be doing this for office wages. They talk a lot about the money and it's their primary motivation. Most of them do seem to like sex in general, though. Not necessarily with the customers. If the customers are boring/bad at sex/unattractive, etc., and for the most part they don't get off with the customers, they do each other and also fill in the gaps with their sex toys. Not at all like swingers - we ladies tend to have a grand time with the gentleman of our choosing!

 

They, like swingers, had sex with men they just met, as wives do at an on premise sex club.

 

Wives at sex clubs are in complete control of who they choose, what pace they'll go with the guy of their choice, and in every case of a female swinger that I've personally known of, we must feel attraction toward the man in question.

 

I know there are a few women in clubs who will lay there and let any man walk up and put it in (such as open invitation gangbang), but I think this is by far the minority.

 

The question is, if such a place as the Bunny Club was legal near you, would a swinger wife work as a prostitute there?

 

Not me. I've seen what kind of clients the Bunny Ranch girls take. Some are hideous, and you can tell that the women are not interested at all in them, either. Some are older than Methuselah. Some are creepier than creepy (like the young virginal guy with his MOM, with Mom in the room with him right up to the point of "time to take your pants off". Incredibly creepy!) Some seem Jeffrey Dahmer weird, and you can tell they can't get laid any other way. Every sort of guy goes in there. Some can't afford it, but will clean out their life savings just to go in there. Many of them are married and cheating. A lot of swinger women will not deal with cheating men (myself included).

 

The word "prostitute" prompts a negative reaction. If you would be called something like a sex therapist practioner, not having the stigma as "prostitute" does, would you, as a swinger who likes sex with other men, do it for that kind of money in a nice, clean place like the Bunny Ranch was protrayed? Three guys a week for five years is over a million dollars.

 

It sounds like the Keith Ablow show failed to share the facts about how much of a cut the house makes. The Bunny Ranch gets half of the guys' money right off the top. Then, the girls have to pay fees for everything out of their portion - even the condoms and random stuff. There are times on the HBO show where the girls are on camera going up to the madam's "cashier" window and making these monetary exchanges. They're not making nearly the amount that the show you saw seemed to indicate.

 

It's good money compared to most office work, but...what a price to pay, some of the stuff (and many of the men) they have to DO to get it!

 

In one of the Cat House episodes, the owner (pimp) of the Bunny Ranch was holding a sort of "sales seminar" meeting with the girls, teaching how to milk the most money out of the guys. He literally made a comment about how it's the girls' jobs to rid the customers of their 401K's and their kids' education funds....and laughed about it. The girls often talk about the technique of getting the guy to feel like she's his "girlfriend", so he'll become a regular (and she can milk him for all he's got, if she can). This is so NOT what a female swinger is about.

[JustAskJulie 2,595]

I turned on the tv Friday night and caught Nightline doing an interview with one of the other brothel's in Nevada. The main point of the story was that in these rough economic times even the brothels are having to cut back. The other side of that, the brothel owner pointed out, was that she was seeing an upturn in the number of applicants she was getting and along with that more of the applicants she was seeing were older and married. As husbands have lost their pay this is an option for them to keep their accustomed level of lifestyle.

 

So running across this question here was timely. To give my own answer, I don't think I could/ would want to have sex for money. Some would argue that I did in the past when I had a website which displayed me having sex with various people, but as far as I'm concerned I never had sex with someone for the money or because the viewers wanted to see that particular person or because I thought it would help the website. I had sex with the people I wanted to have sex with and then I allowed others to pay to see that sex occur.

 

I don't have any issue with prostitution on any level, if that is what the person has CHOSEN to do. The sad fact is that (especially on the lower rungs of prostitution) often it's not really a choice. I do wonder why we as swingers have such a vicious attitude towards the idea of prostitution in general. Why is it that when someone comes on here asking about hiring a woman to be the third in their fantasy FMF we attack them. What's wrong with it really? And really if you found out that a couple you wanted to play with had done this, would it make you not want to play with them again? or play with them in the first place if you hadn't yet played?

[LFM2 1,482]

I don't have any issue with prostitution on any level, if that is what the person has CHOSEN to do. The sad fact is that (especially on the lower rungs of prostitution) often it's not really a choice. I do wonder why we as swingers have such a vicious attitude towards the idea of prostitution in general. Why is it that when someone comes on here asking about hiring a woman to be the third in their fantasy FMF we attack them. What's wrong with it really? And really if you found out that a couple you wanted to play with had done this, would it make you not want to play with them again? or play with them in the first place if you hadn't yet played?

 

God, it's amazing how my views change over time. I had to reread what I wrote back in 2007. Not at all my views now. Admittedly, I'm a flip-flopper.

 

I agree that most prostitutes have no other choice what their profession will be. While I don't have a nasty attitude towards them or their profession, I know I couldn't do it. Now that we've played with several different couples, I get to choose who we'll play with. I don't want them choosing me without recourse.

 

There is nothing wrong with prostitution as long as it's done willingly. I don't have any ill will toward someone who's been with a prostitute. In fact, a lot of married couples break their FMF cherry with a prostitute according to one of the workers at the Bunny Ranch. If this is true, so be it. They are in a controlled atmosphere, where no untoward problems would occur. It's legal and consensual.

 

I would probably be more curious as to their experience with a prostitute more than repulsed. Would I play with them if they'd been with a prostitute -- if they meet our criteria, sure. How many couples do we play with regularly privy us to their entire sexual history? How do we know that someone we've already played with hasn't visited a brothel before they've played with us? We have no way of knowing unless we ask them, and that's just not important to us. There are pros to playing with a legal and legitimate brothel. Prostitutes are at least tested regularly for STD's. They always use condoms. How many people that we've played with can we say that about?

[want2knowmore 15]

I couldn't sell it, hell most nights I can't give it away!!!!

[jdavisauto 73]

Hell it is leagal here in most parts of Nevada. Over in Parhump about 30 miles from Las Vegas there are about 25 cat houses up and down Blue Diamond. God I love Las Vegas.

[Malachista 170]

Prostitution is legal here and I have a family member who went this way.

Let's just say, with all the girls working in this city, with taxes, bad financial times, rent for home and work apartment, adverstments in newspapers and othr magazines and all the other coasts that come with owining a small business of your own (and that is what you do, if you work as a legal prostitute here) - it is a hard job to make a living out off...

 

 

Nothing for me, as I like to enjoy myself during sex ... something that also is rather rare if sex becomes work

[Cpl2share 147]

Let's face it, all of us guys have paid to get laid at some point. We have taken a woman out to dinner and a movies, then drinks and finally after all of that we have gotten laid. The evening (if "she puts out on the first date") cost us $75-$100. She got food, entertainment and some booze for having sex with us. If she wasn't that kind of girl, then we had to wine and dine her for a couple of dates first. On the flip side: What woman has not been on the receiving end of that scenario? You received goods and services for sexual favors. Granted there was probably (but not always) a physical attraction to the man. But how many women can say that they have never "put out" because they felt that they owed it to the man? Even married women in the lifestyle often do this, even with their own husband. Mrs. Cpl has been known to screw me because I did something nice for her like make her favorite food for supper and give her a backrub. Not because she was horny, but because she wanted to do something in return for what I have done.

We are all whores, it is just a matter of what we get in return for the sex. It may simply be that we receive an orgasm for providing pleasure to our partner, but we are all whores.

That being said: You're damned skippy I would take money for it, if a woman would pay me LOL. I do my job because I enjoy it, but I also insist on getting paid. How many people go through life working a job they hate? How many people wish they could get paid to do what they enjoy?

The OP did not specify that this only applies to women.

[Mr.Essex 264]

I'm posting up a storm tonight!

 

I could do it. I've had sex with women who paid for our dinners, women who bought me drinks and (on a couple occasions) women who just wouldn't leave me alone. If I were living in the type of environment in which I'd be considered "pay for it"-worthy, I could do it for a while.

[LFM2 1,482]

Let's face it, all of us guys have paid to get laid at some point. We have taken a woman out to dinner and a movies, then drinks and finally after all of that we have gotten laid. The evening (if "she puts out on the first date") cost us $75-$100.

 

Yeah, then we really teach you a lesson and marry you.

[Chicup 42]

Was an awful thread, still an awful thread.

 

Most swingers are at the very least SOMEWHAT picky in who they play with, its for fun, not a job.

 

The goal for a prostitute is to make money, as much as possible from the guy. Stroking his ego (my guess is they often need a lot of it) putting up with odd kinks etc.

 

And as guys we always joke about how we would do it, but most are not thinking about when the bearded lady comes calling.

 

Swingers might be more open about their sexuality than a traditional married couple, but this just falls apart when you turn it into a job.

[couplers 4,718]

No, but I would like to know what I'd be offered. I probably wouldn't fetch much now as an over thirty mother (maybe, I'm in good shape), but when I was nineteen and looked thirteen (small tits, very little hair), probably a lot from certain people.

[MrandMrsA 76]

I wouldn't sell it, but I'd certainly take an IOU!

[Billygoat 445]

Well again....it reminds me of a line from Goldie Hawn in a movie.....”we’re not prostitutes....we’re housewives...we give it away!” Well, not really.

 

Every one has a line they will not cross. And like many lines it isn’t always straight.

 

I am one that believes that with some guidelines and licensing if you want to do this for fun or money you should be allowed to make that choice.

 

The claim is it is the oldest profession in the world....I expect it is.

 

In the US we have peculiar double standards....especially when it comes to sex.

[GoldCoCouple 4,068]

The barter system...trade. I'll trade you some of mine for some of yours.

[divenaked 325]

I think most people have ended up paying on the lifetime installment plan. That said, I have never outright paid for it. If I was to try and sell it???? I would probably starve....

[EastInWest 1,524]

As with the other thread I posted in about nudity generally, it's not the juice, it's the squeeze. I have no problem with (fully consensual, safe) prostitution conceptually, just with the drama that can unfold because of the stigma against it, either as a provider or a patron.

 

I once had a dancer from Spain get too excited in the VIP at the Spearmint Rhino and start chewing on my cock through my pants, then, during the lapdance, put on a very convincing act of getting herself off grinding. By the time it was over, she'd looked over her shoulder to make sure the coast was clear, spit on her hand, and had it down my pants kissing my ear, and pleading with me to cum so she could feel it. I didn't pay for that. She was just a very, very enthusiastic dancer who went the extra mile. Prostitution, or entertainment that got too friendly?

 

I'd have no problem taking money for sex - with customers I approve of - if there was a market for it. If Mrs. E told me she wanted to try something along those lines and there was a safe, legal, discrete venue for it where we wouldn't have to deal with the social consequences, I'd probably be game for that, too.

[TricianMike 788]

I think many if not most women have had sex on a first date because she felt she owed the guy. Not the only time I slept with someone because I felt I should, I once went with a guy to a concert in Philadelphia, I wanted to pay but he insisted and took me for dinner and drinks after the concert. He wouldn’t let me pay for anything. I had no romantic attraction to him but invited him back to my apartment. I would say the evening cost him at least $500.

Forward to a more recent time. Mike and I enjoy picking up men in hotels. I engage someone in the bar and when the time is right I tell him about Mike across the bar. I always tell them I am not looking for anything and that it’s just something we like to do. One time a man left two hundred dollars on the dresser. Mike and I laughed about it. It about paid for the room.

This was not the only time.

[Numex 2,459]

I think many if not most women have had sex on a first date because she felt she owed the guy. ..

My wife is a successful professional woman in a technical and business field and makes good money. When she was single it was a sexual and power trip for her to take a guy on a date, pay for everything, then fuck him. She wanted to see how he reacted in the days afterward.

 

Tickets would be prepaid, as would the car. At the restaurant she would excuse herself to go to the restroom and pay the check. Planning it out was a game for her. His follow up showed her whether he was insecure, grateful, competitive, creative, etc. One poor guy she did it all a second time, didn't have sex, then dumped him. One lucky guy for a second date she paid for everything to go to Montreal for a long weekend and banged him senseless.

 

I'm still trying to figure out why she settled down (sort of) with me.

[cplnluv1 874]

Many years ago I had a friend in college, a very good friend, who always had money. I had taken jobs at minimum wage and some waitressing. I still had to ask my parents for money. My friend had enough that she would buy the pizza and sometimes beer. I found out she worked at a gentleman’s club. She told me it was easy money and could make a thousand on a good night. No real physical contact just dances. When I asked if she thought I could try it she admitted that guys touched and she would jerk guys off in the VIP room. Then she said there is even more money if you went to the motel in the back. She said not every girl does that.

I finally gave in and tried it. The men were mostly sleeze bags. You would dance and try to get lap dances and then VIP room guys. Guys grab you and you would grind on them. Even the nice ones were nasty. I never went back.

[EastInWest 1,524]

I think many if not most women have had sex on a first date because she felt she owed the guy.

 

In my single days - which weren't that long ago - I quickly realized it'd become almost automatic for girls in their early 20s to "watch a movie" after a date. There might not be a second date, but the sex session was just part of the ritual of dating.

 

Tinder was really only an incremental advancement, skipping the formality of the hour at the bar.

[Sawman 84]

I have met women in the Lifestyle to confessed to being pros or at least being paid for sex. Like other things we do that were once illegal—like non-monogamy or public sex—sex for money has that transgressive flavor. It's doing something naughty, something forbidden. Just like women often fantasize about multiple partners their minds drift to anything that would make them Hester Prynne. I have told them they were worth a hundred bucks, but crossing that line was too much. One couple was reluctant to even share the cost of the room. Either they pay or I pay, no sharesies.

 

I am certain that women will push this boundary in play. I know that I am cool with it and great fun is not free.

[Hant0101 0]

Of course not, it's illegal! Prostitution is human trafficking, it is self-and body-trafficking. Which means it's against the law. After all, there are very few people who go to work as prostitutes. As a rule, most of those who work there are those who were stolen and forced to work. I believe that it is possible to create a community of volunteers who will help fight prostitution and human trafficking. After reading this article, many of you will understand what I'm talking about and respond. Or at least attract sex trafficking advocacy.

[adamgunn 1,461]

Hant, the premise is "If it were legal" . . .

 

I agree, the majority of women who are prostitutes are forced into it, often by financial means. That's wrong and immoral.

 

However, If you were a woman, and if it were legal, and if you had no outside pressures to force you, would you then consider being a call girl?

[hotwife70 595]

My wife didn't seem to bother about fucking some random guys I set it up if we're out of town in some hotel as long as it's safe.She once accept an offer from a online fan apparently live in the city to us to meet him in the hotel with me of cause for $300 + hotel fee to join us over night although we didn't go that far but she would try. 

[MidwestHoneys 359]

Everyone sells their body. It most likely isn’t sex they are selling even if someone is using you to make money or to have work done in return for money or some other reward. How you use your body is your choice, only others morality say what is right or wrong. It’s called work as long as nobody is hurt. 
Honey has worked her whole life. While in college she worked after classes in jobs many others in school take. I won’t out her employer who asked her to do extra work. What she did was done willingly and not pressured to do as she was old enough to do it too. 
Her employer is a man who is married, his wife having an illness that kept her from having sex. The way it was explained to me he wouldn’t physically cheat on his wife, he found his outlet watching others have sex. I wasn’t originally involved when he asked Honey if he could watch her have sex with her boyfriend. He offered to pay for a hotel room and food for her which they could use after he left. Strange as it was they agreed. The story is she got extra at the end of the week. 
Honey was also a cheerleader at the university and popular. This employer was very connected and offered to get her very good looking people to be with if he could watch, picking up the costs and rewarding her. I ended up being one of the ones he set her up with. I got to fuck a great looking cheerleader as long as he could watch. It cost me nothing. I soon found out she would be with another cheerleader, all the time being watched only. Honey and I got closer as friends and started to date which is when I got asked to watch and participate more. 
To answer the question Honey didn’t get paid to have sex, she got paid to put on a show. Her partners didn’t pay, she didn’t collect money from them. We say she is a performer for an audience of one. All this time she never had sex with her employer as he stayed faithful to his ill wife to the day she died. 
 

[PeterJ 960]

Not to hijack the thread, but we are talking about sex for cash here. On his show last weekend (February 27, 2022) John Oliver’s main topic was sex work and the criminal justice system. He noted quite specifically how sex workers are most usually victimized by police and prosecutors under the guise of "saving" them from sex work. (His observations and arguments were quite nuanced; maybe those who haven’t seen the the show shouldn’t attempt to rebut them…😉.)  Mostly Oliver showed the problems with the criminal justice approach, but also the Nevada, Dutch and Nordic approaches. Oliver thinks the New Zealand approach — legalization with supervision to make sure no one is getting cheated or victimized — though not without somebody flaws, looks most promising.

 

[Rock n Tits 188]

In someways many have .. to close a business deal to get a raise or promotion short on rent need something fixed car plumbing etc