Are you famous?

[intuition897 2,179]

CubnAmy's poll on famous couples got me to thinking. The relative anonymity of the internet has allowed people from all walks of life to be exactly who they are on the inside, regardless of race, creed, colour, sex, ability, age, social status, etc. Often it's easy to pick up on nuances in our conversations with them and we can determine these things to an extent that way. But people are often quite guarded about their identity online. Swingers are like this because...well...we're swingers and discretion is a necessity, not a luxury. Some people perhaps can find their voice here in a virtual world where their voice has been lost in the crowd out there in the real world. Suddenly people listen to what they have to say. I think I might be one of those people. I'm socially-challenged. I can put things together on a screen or on paper, no problem...but don't ask me to actually think on my feet. I am not witty. I am not funny. I talk too much about all the wrong things. I'm too blunt, and I'm nowhere near as confident or "together" in person.

 

But what about people who live their lives in the spotlight? Celebrities and other high profile people? Surely they have internet access, too. Surely they're human and have their kinks and curiosities like the rest of us. What about Will and Jada? Maybe they really are swingers? Wouldn't that be cool? And hey! what if maybe they've cruised through our very own swingersboard? Cooler still... So I started thinking...with all the people we have on here as members, I wonder how many of them have had their 15 minutes in the limelight? Or more?

 

So, on a scale of 1 to 10, - and remember we're working on the honour system here, people - just how famous are you? I don't think there's any way to hack in to this system to figure out who voted for what, so I think it's safe to be honest. I don't want to know WHO you are; I just want to know how many honest to God celebrity types we have on the board. Couples, just answer for whichever of you has the higher public profile.

 

This should be interesting...

[Mr. Truelove 81]

Excellent topic and something I was thinking about as well reading the other thread. I've actually wondered how many celebrities are open about swinging if any. I kind of wish there was just to shake up the world's views on it.

[intuition897 2,179]

I kind of wish there was just to shake up the world's views on it.

 

Dito to that! I think my biggest peeve is people who have so much to say about swinging who have absolutely zero first hand experience! Oh, swinging will do this and swinging will do that, and swingers are these horrible, nasty people who live under bridges and eat small children. :rollseyes Mm-kay. It wouldn't bother me so much if they simply believed it themselves, but they insist on "educating" everyone else with their misbegotten insights. It just perpetuates the paranoia that has such a chokehold on the public! My attitude is, believe whatever the hell you want, but unless you've got actual first-hand experience with something, do NOT tell me you know all about it! Even those couples whose relationships were "ruined" by swinging. Sure they have 1st hand experience...insofar as their own relationship is concerned. I'll admit that swinging has worked very well for my own relationship, and because of that I can see that it could work for others, too...because we're no different from anyone else. But these "experienced" nay-sayers are still speaking about those things which they couldn't possibly know anything about: other people's relationships! Just because it didn't work for them (and I'll bet you dollars to donuts that if they gave me the details I could tell them why!), it doesn't mean it can't work for someone else.

[fordman460 20]

CubnAmy's poll on famous couples got me to thinking. The relative anonymity of the internet has allowed people from all walks of life to be exactly who they are on the inside, regardless of race, creed, colour, sex, ability, age, social status, etc. Often it's easy to pick up on nuances in our conversations with them and we can determine these things to an extent that way. But people are often quite guarded about their identity online. Swingers are like this because...well...we're swingers and discretion is a necessity, not a luxury. Some people perhaps can find their voice here in a virtual world where their voice has been lost in the crowd out there in the real world. Suddenly people listen to what they have to say. I think I might be one of those people. I'm a socially-challenged. I can put things together on a screen or on paper, no problem...but don't ask me to actually think on my feet. I am not witty. I am not funny. I talk too much about all the wrong things. I'm too blunt, and I'm nowhere near as confident or "together" in person.

 

But what about people who live their lives in the spotlight? Celebrities and other high profile people? Surely they have internet access, too. Surely they're human and have their kinks and curiosities like the rest of us. What about Will and Jada? Maybe they really are swingers? Wouldn't that be cool? And hey! what if maybe they've cruised through our very own swingersboard? Cooler still... So I started thinking...with all the people we have on here as members, I wonder how many of them have had their 15 minutes in the limelight? Or more?

 

So, on a scale of 1 to 10, - and remember we're working on the honour system here, people - just how famous are you? I don't think there's any way to hack in to this system to figure out who voted for what, so I think it's safe to be honest. I don't want to know WHO you are; I just want to know how many honest to God celebrity types we have on the board. Couples, just answer for whichever of you has the higher public profile.

 

This should be interesting...

 

 

Great post I loved it. But couldnt help that as that post went on the woody Allen voice started to read it to me. LOL sorry I'm PIU.

[intuition897 2,179]

Hey cool! We've got an inventor-level celeb with us!

 

We should start a guessing game. How many #10's do you think we'll get? #8's? #7's? lol

 

Nah, better not jinx it. We're still working on the honour system, right?

[cubnamy1995 124]

This is a great idea intuition. Every other little niche group has their spokespeople. Why can't we have ours? I really hope Will & Jada are swingers(or Jada at least! facelick). We could use some positive publicity.

 

After the discussion on the other thread, I decided to look up the whole Will/Jada thing. I came across a lot of posts on other boards that all said pretty much the same thing. Here's a little sample from an unnamed site:

 

But seriously now, as u grow older Lizzy, u'll come to understand the fact that open marriage is arrant nonsense. It's not even worth calling a marriage. From what u are saying Lizzy, I think u feel marriage is all about sex!, sex!! and sex!!!. For God's sake, other things will have to be considered also. Afterall, you are going have children with your husband definitely. How do u expect your children to feel when they know about your escapades? HOW DO YOU EVEN EXPECT GOD TO REACT TO SUCH? As far as I am concerned, sleeping with a man who is not your husband is wrong. Pure Adultery! whether your husband approves it or not! As far as God is not in support of it, even when your husband totally agrees with you, God will surely frown at such!

 

This is the kind of garbage we have to deal with in this country. I am sick to death of so called "moral" people telling me what I should or shouldn't do in my bedroom.

 

We need a public face. I'm not suggesting we can all come out of the closet. I'm not sure I'd want to. But I get really pissed when I'm watching a sitcom and they tongue-in-cheek portray swingers as these disgusting, sleazy, nasty-minded perverts who will just fuck anybody. I'm not disgusting.

 

Anyway, if Will and Jada are in the lifestyle, and they just happen to peruse this board, then know that we support you 120%...and you have a standing invitation to our house party...(well, you never know till you ask!)

 

Great thread intuition.

[intuition897 2,179]

But seriously now, as u grow older Lizzy, u'll come to understand the fact that open marriage is arrant nonsense. It's not even worth calling a marriage. From what u are saying Lizzy, I think u feel marriage is all about sex!, sex!! and sex!!!. For God's sake, other things will have to be considered also. Afterall, you are going have children with your husband definitely. How do u expect your children to feel when they know about your escapades? HOW DO YOU EVEN EXPECT GOD TO REACT TO SUCH? As far as I am concerned, sleeping with a man who is not your husband is wrong. Pure Adultery! whether your husband approves it or not! As far as God is not in support of it, even when your husband totally agrees with you, God will surely frown at such!

 

This is the kind of garbage we have to deal with in this country. I am sick to death of so called "moral" people telling me what I should or shouldn't do in my bedroom.

 

We need a public face. I'm not suggesting we can all come out of the closet. I'm not sure I'd want to. But I get really pissed when I'm watching a sitcom and they tongue-in-cheek portray swingers as these disgusting, sleazy, nasty-minded perverts who will just fuck anybody. I'm not disgusting.

 

Anyway, if Will and Jada are in the lifestyle, and they just happen to peruse this board, then know that we support you 120%...and you have a standing invitation to our house party...(well, you never know till you ask!)

 

Great thread intuition.

 

Yeah, I've read the same kinds of posts from like-minded peckerheads. Pisses me off, too. But I don't think that lobbying for "swinger's rights" is going to help a whole lot. You can't force them to change their minds and the only thing that will happen is you'll get them cornered. I don't want to offend anyone with what we choose to do with our marriage/life. I just want them to stop spitting venom at me. I think we just have to accept that there will always be some people who will not - or maybe cannot - comprehend what we're about. It's a threat to them. I don't want their heads to asplode or anything. My Mom is one of these kinds of people. She wouldn't be hateful, but she would be mortally wounded if she found out about our beliefs. There would be NO changing her mind. We're talking about over 1/2 a century of deeply ingrained belief here. Is it my place to tell her that what she's believed all her life is wrong?? To what end? To make myself feel better? Nah. I think you gotta choose your battles.

[Cpl2share 147]

We only get one vote? Actually, one of us is currently an elected official, the other is an appointed official, and we own a small business. I know of several others who are in the lifestyle who are government officials here in wisconsin. Maybe it is because of the closeness of careers, or who knows, that we know of these people, but can not seem to find "regular" preople in the area. We really do not want to get involved in an "officials only" swing group (one falls they all fall deal) and we just want to go have a good time. "Fame" or in my (Male) case notoriety is not all it is cracked up to be.

[intuition897 2,179]

Either someone is messing with us (a distinct possibility), or we really do get celebrity traffic. A #9 and a #10 so far! Neato!

 

I don't know. I hoped this thread didn't seem too shallow. Personally I couldn't care less how many times you've had to knock the paparazzis out of the tree by your bedroom window with a broom stick. It doesn't change the fact that they're just like everyone else. The still get morning breath. They still need to put their pants on one leg at time. They have their unique quirks and oddities that other people don't know about, just like everyone else. Their spouse knows about that secret ticklish spot or that mole between their toes.

 

I just think that it must be a helluva a lifestyle to live. Makes me appreciate my obscurity. I would hate being recognized everywhere I went. Never got along well with microphones and spotlights. So I guess I'm right where I should be. I am curious though to know how real live ordinary people cope with it.

 

Anyway, keep those votes coming!

[good times 991]

Oops! I answered the poll before I read the question. Had I read the question first I probably would have rated us higher than 3.

 

While we aren't celebrities in the movie star sense of the word, in some circles we are well known by a lot of people, most of whom we don't know and have never met. We have both been on the cover and in feature articles of internationally circulated magazines on a few occasions, and I have even been quoted in the New York Times. If one does a Google search of my name you get 16 pages of results. We do have to be very careful not to be associated with the lifestyle within those circles in which we are well known. So, how famous does that make us on this scale?

 

For the record, I don't consider myself to be any kind celebrity our famous person, but we have been referred to by others as such. Since we started swinging we have discovered that while discretion is important to everybody, it is especially so for those that have more to lose than most. While we do use our real names with our swinging friends (because we aren't usually recognized as anyone of note amongst the general population), we have found it prudent to be very vague about our vanilla life until we get to know someone real well. We have been recognized because of our notoriety while swinging by people we didn't know before though, and while it was a bit uncomfortable and worrisome when this has happened, so far it has always worked out ok. The saying that, "they are there for the same reason you are" has held true so far in our case.

[ohash01 20]

I am a manager for a large-ish company. (Ok - so it's like the 4th largest company in Ohio), but my division is so small that I doubt anyone who doesn't come in contact with me knows who I am.

 

I came from a very political, well-known family, and I'd never ever ever want to put myself in that spotlight. I am SO happy being relatively unknown.

[intuition897 2,179]

Oops! I answered the poll before I read the question. Had I read the question first I probably would have rated us higher than 3.

 

While we aren't celebrities in the movie star sense of the word, in some circles we are well known by a lot of people, most of whom we don't know and have never met. We have both been on the cover and in feature articles of internationally circulated magazines on a few occasions, and I have even been quoted in the New York Times. If one does a Google search of my name you get 16 pages of results. We do have to be very careful not to be associated with the lifestyle within those circles in which we are well known. So, how famous does that make us on this scale?

 

For the record, I don't consider myself to be any kind celebrity our famous person, but we have been referred to by others as such. Since we started swinging we have discovered that while discretion is important to everybody, it is especially so for those that have more to lose than most. While we do use our real names with our swinging friends (because we aren't usually recognized as anyone of note amongst the general population), we have found it prudent to be very vague about our vanilla life until we get to know someone real well. We have been recognized because of our notoriety while swinging by people we didn't know before though, and while it was a bit uncomfortable and worrisome when this has happened, so far it has always worked out ok. The saying that, "they are there for the same reason you are" has held true so far in our case.

 

Good thing. Mr. intuition is nowhere near a celebrity, but he is well known where he works and we just can't afford for him to be exposed this way because it's a "family oriented" business and such values and behaviour compromise their standards. I, on the other hand, work at the university here and am happily not in any position of authority that would be jeoparized by our lifestyle choices. In fact, the entire university is officially very "alternative lifestyles" friendly, so if I were to, say, identify myself as bisexual (well, I HAVE had sex with a woman before...), I become a non-visible minority and it is actually a kind of boon to the department. Although I don't think swinging is recognized as such.

 

If swingers were to lobby for anything, it should be to be added to the list of non-visible minorities such as gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people. That would definitely make life easier for us. At least we'd have a legal leg to stand on.

[prettylady 221]

I live in a town of 2500 people in the winter and about a bizillion in the summer (give or take a few).

 

I am very famous...around here. In the winter I am at the gym often teaching, working out, chatting, you know, the usual. In the summer I am a "local" and local people in what is considered a "party town" are really quite famous. I know and hang out with the important people around here.

 

It does help to be a local. I have met several famous people. Actually chickened out of having sex with two of them (not at the same time, I was too chicken to do it separately). But looking back, I could kick myself.

 

Oh well as far as fame goes. My elbow is in the picture of a few snap shots around this town.

[VanHlebar 187]

Ok...well we all know we have a huge celeb on this board! Me I mean come on...who doesn't know Stifler?!?....see I knew I would go unnoticed.

 

In all seriousness though I am in a country video of the one and only Tim McGraw. MrsVan and I were at a concert of his and then about a month later we were watching tv and I swore I saw myself in his video. MrsVan of course said no way! So I had to record the video and stop it for her and sure enough I am there full face shot and all. Talk about being in the dog house! Here she is the biggest Tim fan I know and I am the one that is in the video and I am completely blocking her out.

 

For those wondering, the video is Cowboy in Me.

[Spoomonkey 420]

I can't answer, I'm afraid. There were no choices that fit me

 

If there were, it would have been "not famous, but working on it"

[DGrey 28]

I've been on national television...twice.

 

D's been featured in 2 magainze articles.

 

D's won a Webby Award

 

My great-great grandfather founded Rutgers University.

 

I have a Backstreet Boy's phone number on speed dial and he answers if I call to say hello so it's not just a stalker thing.

[intuition897 2,179]

Great responses everybody! Wow! Amazing just how small the world really is, eh?

 

I wonder if Sam & Tina will pop in to vote? They were featured on Oprah's swinger episode.

[LFM2 1,482]

Mrs. LFM is not famous and neither am I. We are plain hard working folk who just live and make the most of each day as it comes.

 

In the summertime, we live near a heavily touristy area that many celebrities have houses in and entertain, and even though we've seen a couple, we don't rub elbows with any.

 

We're very happy that way. No paparazzi follows us!!

[WesternSwing 504]

Am I famous? Hmmm... In my old field I was. Hell, you can even catch me being interviewed occasionally on reruns of certain racing shows on ESPN2. But, that is my past life now. In my new profession I'm not nearly as famous and most wouldn't know me unless they were racing nuts and knew the companies I used to work for and the crowd I used to hang with.

 

Either way, swinging was never something I worried about. The racing industry is filled with wild folk anyway.

[cubnamy1995 124]

This is what I love about this lifestyle. Where else can all walks of life talk to each other and communicate on a human level? I must agree with an earlier post. I'm not famous in the least. My only claim to fame is that I'm related to the Hatfields of the famous Hatfield/McCoy feud. Otherwise, we're just your everyday average married couple. Even with that, we still have to put effort into being discreet because of people we know...

 

With that said, I cannot imagine how difficult it must be to do this knowing that you could be recognized by anyone. As much as "religious people" think we are all going to hell, boy, they sure love stories about us. Remember Rep. Jack Ryan? Hats off to those of you who do have claim to fame. We are glad to have you with us. I hope that the rest of us will be considerate and sensible, and respect your much higher need for discretion. Let's keep our business on the inside of the club, and keep the judgemental public out of it.

[Chip_n_Muffy 16]

Well, I'm not a bit more famous now than when the thread originated, but I'm trying

 

Come to think of it, I would rather be rich than famous. Maybe my best shot would be to buy a powerball ticket.

[DBL D 120]

I would like to well-known and well-liked and I think I am. Famous? Only in the smaller circles. If I were famous, I'd have to be around a bunch of people who wouldn't look at you unless you were in the circle/club.

 

I might become a snob!

 

I work for a small ***** institution; 900 or so employed. I am quite famous there!...for my work though and not my play!

[Tia Vampire 167]

I'm just famous to my children and my SO. For them I will always be a superstar.

[ChicagoKnight 17]

I'm not famous in the general public household name sense-although I have been on the evening news here many times, but within the federal and local law enforcement community here in Chicago I am extremely well known. I don't think anything bad could officially be done if I was outed, but politics are a bitch...

[pervgeeks 119]

We are very much not famous, but Mr. Pervgeek's grandfather was was quite famous in the 40's and 50's. His father was a "Hollywood brat" (who essentially blew the inheritance from his dad). My mom's family wasn't not famous though somewhat well-off with a large local family business in another state, but my mom's in the process of blowing her inheritance now too.

 

We continue to work our butts off for everything (which isn't exactly a bad thing) as being kids of of the "entitled" who didn't see much in the way of benefits from what our our grandparents did. Mr Pervgeeks also ran for office once (something local) in another state, but not so famous around where we live together now. We do know lots of people and have run into vanilla acquaintances at LS events.

[edibleassets 17]

As Robert Heinlein once said, Mrs. Grundy is always watching, and we have to live publically by her standards not ours. (Heinlein got it, and if you don't believe it try reading "Time Enough for Love, or I Will Fear No Evil. His early stuff was for kids, he was a randy old goat in his later writing)

 

While we are not currently in the lifestyle, I have been in the past, and we have flirted with it in our current "life". Given that I now have a web identity due to work, it is even harder for me to believe in the "anonimity of the internet".

 

As for what God thinks, i don't feel qualified to speak for him, and don't know anyone that really is. Perhaps he'll tell me personally one day, but I find it hard to believe he spends his enternity worrying about who everyone is haing sex with.

[SecretAsianMan 348]

I've been on a couple TV shows (crowd shots, one-time contestant on a one-shot tv show) ... and in my circles (RenFaire) - I'm a known entity (I'm the other asian-guy)

 

But as far as general public celebrity... I have none.

[CXXC 435]

Ummm, is there an option for infamous?

 

I am known throughout the telecom industry globally. I think the term is asshole. Other than that, I pretty much try not to be noticed by the general population, unless she is really hot or has a dynamic personality.

[Rackir 159]

Lets see, I've met and waited on Patrick Swaze (he takes his salad with honey mustard). I can count the late Henry Gibson as a friend (great guy, he and his wife were just genuinlly good people, I did some work on thier home in Malibu and got to know them that way) and a handfull of other moderatlly famous people. All in all I'm unimpressed with the lot of em.

 

As for personal fame, my biggest claim is that I've pissed off literally thousands, if not millions of people. First as a tech writer for Price Pfister (muhahaha, want top know who's responsible for those horrible installation instructions? That'd be me), and then as a telephone survey taker. Between the two I'm pretty sure I have ruined ,ore days then any one really has a right too.

[SecretAsianMan 348]

I've been on a couple TV shows (crowd shots, one-time contestant on a one-shot tv show) ... and in my circles (RenFaire) - I'm a known entity (I'm the other asian-guy)

 

But as far as general public celebrity... I have none

 

 

Update... I used to work in the entertainment industry (post production) and got to meet quite a few famous people. I'm also listed (with a single credit) on IMDB

[TheLorax 173]

In my field I am known nationally and even some internationally. I've been on the front page of the local papers (not yet doing the perp walk thankfully a couple dozen times in the last couple decades, was the subject of a Popular Mechanics article, been on state and local TV more times than I can remember, and on CNN nationally twice. And up until quite recently if I googled my name I was the first four or five pages on my full name. Now I'm only the first page or so I'm a published author as well, though nothing full length yet.

 

So, yeah, in some circles I'm pretty famous.

 

Edited to add: Oh yeah, I'm on several billboards around town, though you can't see it's me

[Alura 2,773]

I starred along with Burt Lancaster in "Hallelujah Trail." Well, okay, perhaps "starred" is not accurate. I was a cavalry man. Our job was to ride into a dust storm (created by huge fans — no, the electric type) wearing heavy woolen uniforms in August in New Mexico, while waving sabers and sweating rivers. It wasn't important that the moviegoers couldn't make out anything except our profiles. Frankly it wasn't much fun. I decided that a movie career wasn't in my cards so I went back to cowboyin'.

 

Okay, the truth is I'm pretty much unknown, but so is Burt Lancaster now.

[intuition897 2,179]

Bumping this thread/poll. If you're famous (and you know it), take the poll. I know, security and anonymity are an illusion, so it seems risky to invite trouble by posting anything potentially identifiable. But if you are a famous person (as in, they take note of what you wore on the red carpet), and you don't mind, I would love to get your perspective. I don't envy you; God, it must be awful living in a fishbowl like that. Or send me a PM if it's that works better. I'm just insatiably curious about people from all walks of life, and the lives they lead.

[sunbuckus 3,567]

Totally not famous in any way.

[SW_PA_Couple 4,023]

I delivered a paper at a technical conference and it was eventually published. But that makes me famous to a very small circle of people -- people who frankly would not care if it was discovered that I was Jack the Ripper.

 

My wife and I know people who are recognizable and who move in social circles of very recognizable people. But there is a tacit and natural understanding that nothing will be mentioned.

[intuition897 2,179]

Well it seems that "fame" is highly relative. Apparently we have quite a few folks who are well known in their field or geographic area. And we also seem to have a few who know the red carpet types personally in some measure. And according to the stats, we do have a handful of high-ranking celebs as well.

 

This poll wasn't started out of snobbery or anything; fame doesn't make one life any better or more valid than another. It just makes it different, that's all. People just fascinate the hell out of me. Every one of us is like a book. A walking, talking book in a vast library of unread masterpieces. I found this amazing series of videos on YouTube, called the Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows.

, is one of them. Very cool.

 

You know what? James Corden has my dream job: carpool karaoke with celebrities on frigging YouTube. Of course, I shatter glass when I try to sing, and I'm NOT funny, so maybe I'm not a great fit there...but hey! if I actually had some semblance of wit and could carry a tune in a bucket...maybe.

[AZCoupleII 46]

Only in my own mind.....

[J&Wu 408]

No answer exactly describes. I did a high profile medical business as a partner and physician for many years in a 400,000 population area. We are long time nudists starting cross country but eventually going to clubs close to home. Then the few times we encountered someone we knew didn't seem an issue, they weren't going public either.

 

For Swinging we have continued to go cross country, partly because we can enjoy the club together or I can go as a single if I am in Florida alone on business. I prefer members have met my wife and know she knows I am attending. I don't think she would go without me but it is nice to know that she would be in safe hands!

[intuition897 2,179]

Just bumping this thread up again. Any new voters? New members, how about you? Are you famous?

[funcoupledayton 2,708]

I see from the poll that all of North Dakota is here!

[SW_PA_Couple 4,023]

Maybe one of those thirds of North Dakota is Prof. P. Shickele of the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople

[couplers 4,577]

I, am infamous.

[afterwork 89]

Famous? Well only in our own minds..ha ha ha ha ha ha

[Napoleon 230]

No. I'm not famous and I'm grateful for that also. I value privacy.

[intuition897 2,179]

Every now and then I like to bump up this thread. The poll is anonymous, so no one can see who voted for what. If you want to comment, but don't want to identify your status using your regular profile, I believe you can use a guest account.

 

Having to deal with maintaining your public persona while continuing to be a real person with feelings and flaws must be awful. Perhaps that's one of the reasons that you hear rumours about celebrities being attracted to the lifestyle (other than, of course, that it's scandal-worthy): it's a very accepting, open community where people from all walks of life can meet on a level playing field. Because everybody looks kinda weird naked. And while we might not be famous, we, too, value our privacy.

 

I'd like to think that this board is a kind of safe space where people can express themselves freely, where they can find support, and some measure of normalcy in an otherwise fucked up world.

[Manitobacpl 81]

I’m a legend in my own lunchtime ?

[intuition897 2,179]

Although it's not lifestyle-related, I've had vanilla PM conversations with a gentleman in a Facebook group who claims to be somewhat famous. It's a bit of a pain in the ass, because he just doesn't trust ANYone, and gets weird and cagey if I ask any questions that could possibly be construed as "cornering" him into identifying himself. I have no idea what his name is, or exactly what he does. I just enjoy our conversations.

[Wornsilver 219]

Interesting question, Intuition. At one point in my life, for about 10 years, I was well-known in a "public" manner in a very small community. Regardless, it was unpleasant in so many ways. Now, for many decades, I have been a complete nobody, and I like it.

 

On the other thread, you may have lost the poetry, but you replaced it with equally as good stuff. So enjoy your writing. Your insight and description of the connection you have with one of your playmates is superb. My wife and I have had that chemistry from the beginning, but over the years the polish has been diminished by things like hardships, hemorrhoids, and hair loss...to name a few. Still great, just not the same.

[J&Wu 408]

I might consider swinging Groups/Parties in our home state now that we are further into retirement and care less about who recognizes us. We die always go to Nudist resorts and clubs within our home area and ran into people who knew us, never a problem.

[TheBiggerMan 82]

A lot of people don't know this, but i am famous.