"pay for the party"

[jojo_man 15]

I'm a single guy too, but I'm not quite as stupid or pathetic (I am but won't admit it) as some of you other guys are.

 

I've been reading about some of the swinging clubs and parties and all the "Rules" for single guys. Now I understand they don't want any jerks - and I'm not a jerk - but like I said I'm not stupid either. Most all these clubs and parties only want the single guy for one thing and that's to "PAY FOR THE PARTY". They want your gawd dang $$$ but they don't want you. Then they want to belittle you and treat you like a POS make you kiss her azz at a 52.45 degree angle and get down on your hands and knees and lick her toe jamb to just get a chance to sniff her azz. I don't think they're "true" swinging women. A "true" swinging woman would be a fun loving woman with a heart full of "unconditional sweetness". Those are few and far in between.

 

So you single guys go ahead and let'em treat you like a POS and empty out your wallet. If they ain't going to treat you halfway decent and treat you like you are a human being and not like your dawg shit on the bottom of their shoe. Then just let'em "PAY FOR THEIR OWN DAMN PARTY".

 

They got some of you boys jumping through hoops, begging and rolling over like a dog on a leash. Well I got more gawd dang self-respect and pride than that.

[VegasLee 1,486]

I can pretty much promise that no matter how much money you had you would not be welcome at any party that we hosted. Even if the party is free.

 

Everyone has always been treated equal and welcome at all our parties but with us it is all about the right attitude and you are showing yours loud and clear.

 

Good luck with what ever you think you are doing with that post.

[Spoomonkey 421]

A "true" swinging woman would be a fun loving woman with a heart full of "unconditional sweetness".

 

While the rest of your post speaks for itself - I am curious... Upon what would you base this definition? How would "unconditional sweetness" improve a single male's chance of playing at a club?

 

Mrs Spoomonkey is as unconditionally sweet as they come - being kind to waitresses, animals and the mentally underdeveloped... But it doesn't mean she'll hop in the sack indiscriminately with any Tom or Harry Dick who happens to pony up the extra cash to step into a swing club.

 

It isn't her job to make sure you get your money's worth...

 

"Paying for the party" is something that club owners worry about - not swing couples. We go, pay our own modest fee, and enjoy the people that we may have mutual connections with. The fact that those connections are rarely made with single men only means that we are most attracted to other couples. We feel no responsibility for single men who visit our club.

[Tybee Swing 286]

They want your gawd dang $$$ but they don't want you. Then they want to belittle you and treat you like a POS make you kiss her azz at a 52.45 degree angle and get down on your hands and knees and lick her toe jamb to just get a chance to sniff her azz.

 

Hi jojo,

 

With charm like this, I can't believe they're not inviting you in for free. :rollseyes

[flirty 15]

In reality it is attitudes like yours that make the club owners charge single men more. Many worry, and it seems justifiably so, that there are those single men that think they deserve sex BECAUSE they PAID their money to get into the club. Us women do not feeling like we are REQUIRED to play with anyone! I have played with single men at the club, not because they expected it, rather I played with them because they did NOT expect it. They went there and socialized, enjoyed the sexually charged atmosphere, enjoyed the opportunity to possibly play, but they sure never counted on it! There are no more guarantees of getting laid at a swing club than there is in picking up a girl in a regular club. This is even true for the couples! You go with the idea that it probably won't happen then if it does you see it for what it is - a gift, a fortunate turn.

 

Bad attitudes are a turn-off.

[jojo_man 15]

I'm right and all of you know it, but won't admit it. All of you couples wouldn't be partying in the style you do if it weren't for the single guys money "Paying For the Party". The only reason you do treat some of them nice is just to get the word out and keep suckers coming back. I expected the comments you made. Some were from men just "riding on their white horses" trying to win points with the ladies. Then the ones from the ladies are like " who does he damn think he is?". And then some women "just can't handle the truth, when the truth ain't what they want to hear"! Even some of the couple guys know that's true, but ain't no damn way they're going to agree with me in here and f- up up the good stuff they're getting.

 

Say what you want. I know I'm right and go ahead you single boys let em treat you like a POS if that's all the "balls" you got.

[Tybee Swing 286]

I'm right and all of you know it, but won't admit it. All of you couples wouldn't be partying in the style you do if it weren't for the single guys money "Paying For the Party".

 

Sorry to disappoint you, but the clubs we have gone to don't allow single men at all, or some do occasionally and on a limited basis (such as if they're escorted by a couple). Because of keeping it very limited - or none at all - there is little to no money coming in from single guys. These clubs are doing very well and seem to be bringing in all the money they need.

[LOL_OMG 130]

A month or so ago we stopped at a club in Nashville. The Mrs. and I had been talking about a mfm, so I was more than willing to see what we could do about it. I found it difficult to get a male to converse with us as a couple. There were at least 8 single guys within chatting range yet not one wanted to talk to us together. Every time I went to take a leak there would be a mass scramble of sm's talking to the Mrs., turning away as I came back. From your post you would fit right in with these 'gentlemen.' Should you be given Carte Blanche to a club? I think not. Please get a grip and take some advice from some of the single guys on this board that have it down.

[Mr TybeeSwing 201]

Well guys we knew our run couldn't last. We got away with the grassy knoll conspiracy and the Roswell incident. We should have known that this conspiracy was just to big to cover up. I warned you all that trying to get single guys to pay for our fun was just to big and risky. Now that we are found out I don't know how we will ever get laid again.

 

Sorry JoJo, but you remind me of Tom Cruise in Eyes Wide Shut. You wander around all night long and between meeting ex-lovers, willing hookers, and going to one of the wildest swinger events since Caligula had his last cookout you still can't get laid. And you end up blaming everybody else.

[Thrax 384]

I'm right and all of you know it, but won't admit it. All of you couples wouldn't be partying in the style you do if it weren't for the single guys money "Paying For the Party". The only reason you do treat some of them nice is just to get the word out and keep suckers coming back. I expected the comments you made. Some were from men just "riding on their white horses" trying to win points with the ladies. Then the ones from the ladies are like " who does he damn think he is?". And then some women "just can't handle the truth, when the truth ain't what they want to hear"! Even some of the couple guys know that's true, but ain't no damn way they're going to agree with me in here and f- up up the good stuff they're getting.

 

Say what you want. I know Im right and go ahead you single boys let em treat you like a POS if that's all the "balls" you got.

 

Some trolls piss me off...you make me laugh.

 

Sorry, I never jumped through hoops, begged, or rolled over in the lifestyle. Well, I didn't have to pay to do it.

 

Obviously you had one or more club experiences with swingers that turned you off to the lifestyle...if you were ever really in it. From my experience, and from my communications with other single guys in the lifestyle, and single women and couples that have played with them, a satisfying-for-all experience CAN be achieved.

 

A lot, and I mean a LOT, of the clubs charge extra for single males. I think they have the right to do that, within reason, to keep the number of single males down. Their couple patrons appreciate that, and actually, it works out for the single males who ARE admitted. (Think about it: less competition, more possibilities.)

 

Anyway, it would be interesting for those of us on this Board to hear WHY you feel the way you do. What event caused your first post? Yeah, a LOT of couples and single females can and do treat single males like trash. That's indisputable and usually not defensible. Tell us what happened to you and maybe we can figure out what...someone...is doing wrong.

[sereneiders 263]

jojo_man, as a swinger (i.e. married) guy, I AGREE WITH YOU!

 

You're right! But... for the wrong reasons.

 

The clubs here charges more to singles that to couples. Some times, they don't charge couples at all, just the single MALES (single females, being unicorns, never pay).

 

Now, a clever guy like yourself should realize if they were charging an inexpensive fee to singles, the place would be flooded by single guys, half of them jerkers, half of them mislead into believe they could get to fuck for less money than hiring a hooker (with OUR spouses), singles would outnumber the husbands, become disrespectful with the wives (supposing they have some "right" to fuck 'em all), there would be fights... and ultimately, couples would stop attending the place, and if the place owners still wants it to keep running it and make money, they would end up bringing hookers for the only attendants, the crowd of single guys. The outcome: the very same one you're complying about, under your own assumptions: you'd be the only to pay in order to "have sex".

 

Now, when they charge you, this doesn't grant you the right to score. The club owners allow single guys in (IF they allow them at all) with their ONLY customers in mind: the couples, and just because some of those couples are willing to play with singles.

 

You seem to be egocentric enough as to suppose you're the center of the universe, the only one able to provide us all some fun, even if in the form of "allowing" us to "tease and humiliate" you. The fact is, no one cares about you as a single, nor the club owners, and even less the couples. No one is being "inspired" by the thought of you jacking off alone afterwards (again), nor how badly you balls hurts in your pants meanwhile, nor if you leave the place with a spot in your pants. No one even thinks of you. Moreover when you already proved you're not eligible as a playmate for ANY swinger.

 

Then, my friend, I AGREE with your advice: for those singles sharing your point of view about swinging it is wise to follow your advice. If not, they will end up horny like hell, without scoring, "wasting" their money, alone, jacking off (again) afterwards... just as what happens to you.

 

And I am damn happy you reached to this conclusion, this means we'd face one jerk less, and luckily, if people like you follow your advice, a lot less jerks.

 

And dont worry, the singles who are truly into this, who knows and accept the rules, will give it a shit about your advice anyway. The outcome? Everyone would be way more happier.

 

So, I appreciate your effort. Thanks for such a wise advice!

[Tybee Swing 286]

Sorry, I never jumped through hoops, begged, or rolled over in the lifestyle.

 

Thrax baby, seriously now - didn't you ever have to do that 52.45 degree angle trick? I'll bet that you did it and even liked it.

[curiousagain 326]

Where to start? Decisions, decisions here.

 

I'm gonna say troll but respond anyway. My diet allows one "free" meal a week and I just had it with beer so.............

 

I recently kissed a Swinging woman's ass at about a 60 degree angle. She didn't complain, She sounded like she even liked it, I know I enjoyed it.

 

Let's talk money. Last time I went out on a group date (a bunch of singles) I got to have a meal and dance and shoot pool with a bunch of people, I bought my meal and a female friends. I bought my drinks and a couple for friends. I got to kiss and grope with a few females, watch a couple of women make out for a while, and woke up in bed with a very attractive woman the next day after a very pleasant night. The cost was about $130 and the experience was priceless. What do they charge a SM to get in a swing club? How much did you pay for gas this week? I had an $8 SANDWICH for lunch today. :surrender edit: BTW, it was a really good Reuben so it was worth it.

 

I don't let anybody treat me like a POS and don't treat other people that way either. But if a pretty woman wants me to kiss her ass I'm gonna try to remember to ask if she has a preference for the angle. As far as jumping through hoops and rolling over, any man that says he's never, ever, done that for some prize pootang is a liar or 12 years old. Ever wore your hair in the latest style, hit the gym, or been on a diet to try to be more attractive to the fairer sex? If not, maybe that's part of your problem.

 

I'm with Thrax, this is all pretty damn funny and now I will sit back and watch the show.

[cubnamy1995 124]

This almost smells of troll. who, seriously is that stupid? Well, think of it this way. If you let single guys in at the same charge as couples, what do you have? A meat-market club which is just like any other vanilla club out there.

 

I would happily pay more for my wife and I to attend a club that keeps idiots like this one out. Want to know why it is so hard for single guys in the lifestyle? Because sooner or later, we all meet a guy like you.

 

happy hunting!

[Thrax 384]

Thrax baby, seriously now - didn't you ever have to do that 52.45 degree angle trick? I'll bet that you did it and even liked it.

Well, like I said, I didn't have to PAY to do it.

 

Thrax

P.S. And it was actually 48.95 degrees, although that adds some difficulty to the trick.

[JustAskJulie 2,595]

I'm right and all of you know it, but won't admit it. All of you couples wouldn't be partying in the style you do if it weren't for the single guys money "Paying For the Party". .

 

For this to be true would imply that the parties I go to have a large number of single males attending than couples. I pay to party, and I pay for the party just like every other couple that attends the parties I attend. From the numbers of single guys I've seen at the parties I've attended there would be no party if we were waiting on them to pay for it. As for what single guys are charged. It's the same a couple is charged... so basically, single or coupled every guy pays the same and the ladies are free. And I'm sure you'd agree that it works well that way because if there were no ladies at the party... there would be no party.

[curiousagain 326]

And it was actually 48.95 degrees, although that adds some difficulty to the trick.

 

That is tuff to pull off. I hope you got a 9.7 at least on it.

[Thrax 384]

That is tuff to pull off. I hope you got a 9.7 at least on it.

I only got a 9.5 (damn Russian judge). I must admit that my take-off was uneven, but I did stick the landing.

 

Thrax

[MoonLightKiss 28]

I'm a single guy too, but Im not quite as stupid or pathetic ( I am but won't admit it) as some of you other guys are. I've been reading about some of the swinging clubs and parties and all the "Rules" for single guys. Now I understand they don't want any jerks - and I'm not a jerk - but like I said I'm not stupid either.

 

Yes, you are right. I can tell by your post you couldn't POSSIBLY be a jerk. :rollseyes

 

 

Most all these clubs and parties only want the single guy for one thing and that's to "PAY FOR THE PARTY". They want your gawd dang $$$ but they don't want you. Then they want to belittle you and treat you like a POS make you kiss her azz at a 52.45 degree angle and get down on your hands and knees and lick her toe jamb to just get a chance to sniff her azz. I don't think they're "true" swinging women. A "true" swinging woman would be a fun loving woman with a heart full of "unconditional sweetness". Those are few and far in between.

 

I do happen to have a heart and unconditional sweetness. I know this because I would NEVER ever make a man kiss my ass at a 52.45 degree angle. I prefer the 180 approach. In fact, I will stand on a bar, pull my skirt up so you don't even have to bend over in the slightest when a "nice" man such as yourself chooses to kiss my ass. :rollseyes Don't believe me? Just ask my husband after an argument.

 

 

So you single guys go ahead and let em treat you like a POS and empty out your wallet. If they ain't going to treat you half way decent and treat you like your a human being and not like your dawg shit on the bottom of their shoe. Then just let em "PAY FOR THEIR OWN DAMN PARTY".

 

They got some of you boys jumping through hoops, begging and rolling over like a dog on a leash. Well I got more gawd dang self respect and pride than that.

 

I have a fundamental belief in treating others the way they treat me. That being said, if you act like an ass, you get treated like an ass. And I don't in any way expect a man to empty his wallet for me. Well, other than the one I married And even then, I don't expect it often. But if a man chooses to empty his wallet, that is HIS choice. It does not in any way mean that I should let him "sniff my ass" or better yet fuck me. Emptying your wallet would be YOUR choice. My choice is to make you an offer .

 

My offer is this. Down the road from me is this nice bridge. Perhaps you would like to move there? I hear trolls favor bridges, and this one is a beauty. No graffiti, wide enough to keep the rain off of you, and lots of traffic so you can stop people on their way to and from work to pinch a few pennies here and there. Perhaps then, you wallet would not be empty after paying club fees? Then you could take all this leftover money and buy some classes that teach manners, class, respect, and maybe even get a crash course in politeness. There are quite a few single men here, such as Thrax and curiousagain that have masters degrees in those areas. They might be willing to teach you for a modest price.

[jojo_man 15]

Well it seems like I didn't make a very good first impression. Oh well, I never was very good at the "game" like a lot of the other guys are in here. You guys know what I mean- shoot all the BS you can at a woman, blow some sweet smoke up her hiney, and tell her every damn thing she wants to hear to keep her satisfied and her mouth shut tight around your dick. I suppose thats' why women don't migrate to me very easy- I'm no good at BS'ing and blowing sweet smoke like some of these swinging boys are.

 

I admit you swinging fellows have got it made. You BS'ed and Sweet Smoked a sexy lady into your life and your getting some good stuff. Now you got her going around telling all the other women how great you are which helps you get that much more good stuff. When actually you know your a "No Damn Good - BS'ing, Sweet Smokin- Son of a Bitch". Sometimes I wish I had the gift, but I don't have what it takes. Some guys have it, some guys don't.

[EternallySingle 32]

Ok. I do not like any of the three swing clubs in the midwest I've been able to attend. At two the guy checking ID's an invitations was a jerk to me before I even had a chance to open my mouth. At the other, I got hit on by a woman too drunk to know she was acting like the single men everyone is afraid of meeting and I got banned from there when I said no and she made a fuss.

 

That said, all my club experiences on the west coast were great. All my club experiences in Texas and New Mexico were great. My club experiences in Georgia and Florida were great. It will simply take an act of God to get me to go to another club in Michigan, Indiana, or Illinois again.

 

As for the money...I spend more going to wrestling matches with my nephews than I would going to a swing club. And I know I'm not going to get laid at a wrestling match (although, I did meet my last real swing partner because I jokingly asked her to a wrestling match and she said yes).

 

You have to LIGHTEN UP! If you are single and you take swinging so seriously that you have to warn other single men not swing, then you are definetly taking things way out of context. Then again, I've heard trolls don't know how to take things easy.

 

Julie, was this an April fools trick on us? C'mon, you can tell me. NOBODY can be that silly.

[sereneiders 263]

Well it seems like I didn't make a very good first impression. Oh well, I never was very good at the "game" like a lot of the other guys are in here. You guys know what I mean- shoot all the BS you can at a woman, blow some sweet smoke up her hiney, and tell her every damn thing she wants to hear to keep her satisfied and her mouth shut tight around your dick. I suppose that's why women don't migrate to me very easy- I'm no good at BS'ing and blowing sweet smoke like some of these swinging boys are.

 

I admit you swinging fellows have got it made. You BS'ed and Sweet Smoked a sexy lady into your life and your getting some good stuff. Now you got her going around telling all the other women how great you are which helps you get that much more good stuff. When actually you know your a "No Damn Good - BS'ing, Sweet Smokin- Son of a Bitch". Sometimes I wish I had the gift, but I don't have what it takes. Some guys have it, some guys don't.

 

You don't have it. You didn't got it. And you never will.

 

For you it is about guys, gals are mere fucktoys, so you claim we, the swinger guys, managed to get one of those rare fucktoys who allow us to use someone's else fucktoy. It's about guys exchanging fucktoys, and you're a guy deprived from the fucktoy you're supposedly entitled to have (just because you're a guy), and you whin at the other selfish guys who doesn't give you a piece of meat where to stick your dick.

 

It doesn't surprise your bad luck, no woman would ever want to be next to a guy like yourself. Moreover, they wouldn't want to touch you not even with a 10 yards pole.

 

FYI, the fact is, this is about wives sharing their husbands most of the times, since they have the last word. The same ones who wouldn't touch you not even with a 10 yard pole.

 

Now, go to your corner, jack off ten times in a row, empty your balls, and start by trying to score with a single woman... as we all did when we were teens. Try to develop some social skills just with ONE partner, do it with several partners... try to hold a partner for more than one night, and just then start thinking of more than one partner.

 

Grow up, kid.

[LOL_OMG 130]

Good post, thank you for the chuckles

 

Mrs.

[Tia Vampire 167]

The swing clubs are not like burger king - you can not have it your way. Single guys pay more because its more of a user situation for them. Remember that couples pay to get in also. Also, single guys are asked to donate more because they really aren't adding any spice to the party, theyre simply tasting everyone elses. It is when open honest couples, each with they're own personalities and dynamics as a couple, join in that it adds to the party.

 

You're coming in and using others desires and fun loving natures for youre own gratification. If you need to pick up a girl go to the bar, thats where single people go. Then after youve been dating for a while and if shes into the lifestyle also then come back and share in other peoples lives.

 

But it isnt about the payment because its not a cover charge, it is a gratuity for the host and or hostess so that they can continue to host these wonderful parties for us.

 

If you feel like youre paying for sex then youre in the wrong place, go down to the red light district of wherever you are and buy a prostitute for an hour, it'll cost about the same as donation and a bottle and you dont have to kiss anyones ass unless you like it that way.

 

The swing lifestyle is about couples getting together and having fun, hanging out with like-minded folks and if or when sex happens its cool. You dont go into a party with an itinerary for guaranteed service by this woman, then this woman, and followed up with a finale by those three women. The experience is always better when youre sharing and enjoying another couple.

 

Dude, calm down.

 

Not just long ago I was going to write a thread saying that 'single guys dont give up - there is still hope for you'. Because of the dilemma I'm going through now with so many clubs catering to g/g I was going to ask my fiance to change our rules so that I could be with single guys but after all this ranting youve done here, I'll be glad now to reconsider. This attititude you have presented makes it hard for other single guys. When you have the opportunity to be with a couple, you should take it for sharing in a group atmosphere where you were able to share in an incredible event, not just scoring a piece of ass.

 

On top of this, for the most part, it is again a couple atmosphere. If a couple or a lady is looking for the experience of a single man, they will let you know. You dont have to go score. If you mingle and have a good time, the ladies will come to you if they need and/or desire your company.

[curiousagain 326]

WOW! 19 posts in one day. Is that a record?...................................................................Julie, was this an April fools trick on us? C'mon, you can tell me. NOBODY can be that silly.

 

I hadn't thought of that. It was April Fool's Day. That could explain a lot.

[VegasLee 1,486]

The most he posts the more I understand why he is single and chances are will remain that way.

 

He has proven he does not have a clue what swingers are about.

[lovinher 505]

The scary part is hanging out with swingers is most likely the only way he can get any. Assuming that even works.

[catslaughing 45]

My personal opinion is that the original poster is proof that some people are single for a reason.

[TNT 1,155]

shoot all the BS you can at a woman, blow some sweet smoke up her hiney, and tell her every damn thing she wants to hear to keep her satisfied and her mouth shut tight around your dick.

 

Hmmm...am I the only one that sees this as a Win-Win situation? ...I get to hear what I want and he gets my mouth shut tight around his dick...hmmm, can't see a problem with this at all.

 

 

Sometimes I wish I had the gift, but I don't have what it takes.

 

No dear, sorry, but you don't.

 

 

Teresa

[indiangoddess 16]

It is guys like you that make it hard for couples like us who would enjoy more single men if you didn't act like you were saving are marriage. You jerks act like the only reason are wife's want to have a mfm threesome is because the man can't do his job, when in all actuality its usually the man who wants to see his Love of his Life pleased by another man and you should feel honored if he allows that to be you. Instead of acting like the saviors of someones marriage. When you act this way it makes you look very ignorant and that turns of 99.9% of the couples you might of had a chance with. So grow up and see yourself for what you really are, then do your best to change then maybe you could get a date> But first get your head out and be grateful if you ever find a woman instead of acting like world owes you something you haven't earned or deserve.

[gatorvol64 216]

I have to say that your decision certainly makes the thoughts of going to a club more enjoyable since I know you won't be attending.

 

Now, I think I'll tell our single men playmates just how happy I am that they are who I've met and been with and not you or someone like you. And I think I'll tell them in person and naked (then they will be thanking you too). They and some on this board are why I say it is possible to find a nice single man to those who are looking. I do warn them that they have to be on the lookout for guys like you.

 

I don't have to put out for my husband (though I'm known for not turning down the chance to have sex with him. ) so what the hell makes you think I'd do so for someone like you?

[Cpl2share 147]

I have not seen (although my eyes do seem to be failing me) anyone make the big point: Swinging is about couples sharing a "hobby". Couples sharing something together. If another guy (or woman) is invited as part of a threesome, then so be it. If couples swap, so be it. Swinging is not about singles trying to get some. That is what the local meat market is for. I (Mr. Cple) am not blessed with the nice gene. Adults tend to be a bit leery of me. The proof is in the pudding though, children, dogs and cats will not leave me alone even though I do not like spending time with any of them. The way I see it: We have paid our dues by developing and sustaining a relationship. You have to pay yours at the door. Works for us.

[LOL_OMG 130]

I have not seen (although my eyes do seem to be failing me) anyone make the big point: Swinging is about couples sharing a "hobby". Couples sharing something together.

 

Oh hunny you don't wanna open that can of whoopass worms. Last one was a year ago and I think it went 6 or 7 pages...

[sereneiders 263]

Oh hunny you don't wanna open that can of whoopass worms. Last one was a year ago and I think it went 6 or 7 pages.....

 

Mrs

 

[Dynamar 246]

Oh hunny you don't wanna open that can of whoopass worms. Last one was a year ago and I think it went 6 or 7 pages.....

 

Mrs

No, indeed.

[BradAndJanet 70]

I'm quite sure we've seen this movie before...

[intuition897 2,179]

Well it seems like I didn't make a very good first impression. Oh well, I never was very good at the "game" like a lot of the other guys are in here. You guys know what I mean- shoot all the BS you can at a woman, blow some sweet smoke up her hiney, and tell her every damn thing she wants to hear to keep her satisfied and her mouth shut tight around your dick. I suppose thats why women don't migrate to me very easy- Im no good at BSing and blowing sweet smoke like some of these swinging boys are.

 

I admit you swinging fellows have got it made. You BSed and Sweet Smoked a sexy lady into your life and your getting some good stuff. Now you got her going around telling all the other women how great you are which helps you get that much more good stuff. When actually you know your a "No Damn Good - BSing, Sweet Smokin- Son of a Bitch". Sometimes I wish I had the gift, but I don't have what it takes. Some guys have it, some guys don't.

 

Wow. I'm suddenly sopping wet. Sliding off my chair, jojo.

 

Yup, you're right: some guys have the knight-in-shining-armour belief system down pat...and others obviously don't. But as they say, don't hate the playa, hate the game.

 

I'll give you this: there's no denying that single guys pay a hefty price to get in to the same club where single chicks get in for free. And now we know why. It's exactly this kind of arrogant, self-centred attitude of entitlement that club-owners try to weed out of their clubs. Tell yourself what you like honey, but in the deep dark of the night when you're laying there all alone in bed wondering why you got your ass kicked out of the club again, a thought comes to you...maybe you're not as sweet a peach as you think you are.

[arioch 15]

Is a single guy at a party really a swinger? Isn't he almost always just a lonely guy looking to score? I realize there are exceptions to this, I was one of those exceptions for a short time about 8-9 years ago The very one sided and heart felt response this initial trollish post has illicited pretty much says it all.

[Thrax 384]

Is a single guy at a party really a swinger? Isn't he almost always just a lonely guy looking to score? I realize there are exceptions to this, I was one of those exceptions for a short time about 8-9 years ago

Good, then you know a little about the controversy regarding this topic. It has been covered several times before on this Board. I'm too lazy to look up the threads -- prolly ANOTHER reason why I'm a single male -- but if you search the Board and find that the other threads don't address your opinions and/or concerns, feel free to start a new thread on THAT topic.

 

Seriously, I'm not trying to be confrontational with you Arioch, it's just that that issue is a hot-button here, and has been debated by many of the regulars and the newbies. If you have new insights into the issue, or feel that your opinion hasn't been properly covered, please feel free to expand on another thread or start a new one. Just be aware that you might open up a can of worms...the whoopass kind...

 

I respect the opinions of most members of the Board, but this is one issue where I, as a single male, diverge from the opinions of some longtime posters; people that I have great respect for. Otherwise, I am shoulder-to-shoulder with them on other issues. So, if you want to work your way through the "a-single-can't-be-a-swinger" minefield, then go ahead. But that should be another thread.

 

Good luck!

 

Thrax

[Chip_n_Muffy 16]

The answer to Jojo's problem is obvious. He needs to find and marry a swinger. Then he can get by on the cheap like the rest of us.

 

Anyone else have a problem that needs fixed? I have a few minutes before supper is ready ........

[Spoomonkey 421]

The answer to Jojo's problem is obvious. He needs to find and marry a swinger. Then he can get by on the cheap like the rest of us.

 

All it takes is knowing how to blow the right smoke up the ass of a weak-willed woman, eh?

 

 

Yeah - that is how swinging works... :rollseyes

[spectraschain 21]

Then he can get by on the cheap like the rest of us.

Hehe...I like this Chip guy.............

[aahours1 16]

That is one reason why we DO NOT allow or let single males into our social. They can get to demanding and to disrepsectful of OUR ladies. Lack of respect and lack of control. We ask a donation from all of our cpl/ppl the same amount. If you are a single male you MUST come with a cpl (male-female) to attend and they are responsible for that single male. If you get out of hand WE WILL walk you out and, respectfully, tell you NEVER to come back, without a refund of you donation. "NO MEANS NO" along with being respectfull and if you are not abiding by that rule, you are GONE.

[EternallySingle 32]

Is a single guy at a party really a swinger? Isn't he almost always just a lonely guy looking to score? I realize there are exceptions to this, I was one of those exceptions for a short time about 8-9 years ago The very one sided and heart felt response this initial trollish post has illicited pretty much says it all.

 

So, you were the only exception to the rule, exemplified by the fact that you got married, I suppose.

 

No offense, but the original poster is single because of his attitude, just like I am and just like you and every other married person in this world was. They were single because something about the way they saw life kept them from making a life with someone else...until they found that person that either saw life the way they did or found someone that changed their attitude on life.

 

For me, and most of the other regular single males that frequent this board, swinging has nothing to do lonliness. It has to do with doing something out of the ordinary, adventurous. Its about having FUN. PERIOD.

 

I'm sorry, but your comment is one of the few that really pisses me off, especially when it comes from a MAN that used to swing when he was single.

 

FOR THE ORIGINAL POSTER AND OTHER TROLLS

Fact: The lonely guys looking to score rarely return to swing clubs and rarely take the time to hang around and learn what more they have to do to swing other than tap people on the shoulder and ask them if they want to fuck. They never realize that there are bars and sometimes coffee shops they can go to in the inner city where they can walk up to women and get laid doing just that FOR FREE, either. Why? Those guys have no sense of adventure. They wouldn't last in a swing situation, so when they find out what it is about, they run when they find out women who swing have class and standards. They are ignorant.

 

They are also the minority, believe it or not. Its just that the majority of single men who want to swing and GET IT (as the ladies like to say) don't have the TIME to pine away looking for swing partners. They are too busy LIVING A LIFE with responsibilities and friends and hobbies and women they are trying to convince to try swinging because her sense of adventure seems to be as great or greater than his. The average single man who swings falls into two categories: He either was part of a couple, is now single for various reasons usually not under his control, and he still has a small group (maybe even only one couple and two single women) he swings with, or he is a single man that just happened to fall into the lifestyle and has enough friends that a monogamous relationship is not neccessary to have intimate personal friendships and steady sex life. Swinging tends to take care of both needs. Good friends and great sex partners.

 

you, JoJo, don't seem to fall into either group. You seem to be one of those guys that still hasn't learned how to pick up women. I'll give you a start. One, be brutally honest. Two, be funny. Three, don't say things to hurt people, say things to help them, even if their feelings might get hurt when they try to deny what you say. Four, KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! You don't have to know everything, just enough that most of the people can't say you are wrong. Five. STOP THINKING YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE SEX!!!!! You don't. You earn it, or you pay for it. Either way, you have to put out to get someone to put out Six. Make FRIENDS with women and don't try to have sex with them. They will teach you more about what to do and what not to do in order to get laid than any man ever could if you ONLY LISTEN TO THEM AND DO WHAT YOU SEE THAT WORKS WITH THE GUYS THAT ARE HAVING SEX WITH THEM.

 

Got it? Good.

[WesternSwing 504]

I'm a single guy too, but I'm not quite as stupid or pathetic ( I am but won't admit it) as some of you other guys are.

Wow, dude... you really don't get it. We love single men, and would love to entertain more of them, if there were more of them not like you in this post. You seem to have the (unfortunately) common attitude of many single males that swinging women are like porn chicks just waiting for the next cock to come along, and when you find out that isn't the case - that swinger women are just like single women you meet at bars and that you have to woo them the same way - you get all hurt and pissy that these women aren't on their knees begging for you to fuck them.

 

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: dating in the swinger lifestyle is just like dating single women, EXCEPT you are dating a couple. The same rules of gentlemanship and courtesy apply. If you approach a swinger woman with the same courtesy you'd approach the hottie receptionist on the 3rd floor you are trying to get a date with, you'd get allot further. Just because a woman is a swinger doesn't mean she is your costar in some twisted porn fantasy you have going on inside your head. So don't act all hurt when you get shot down for having the exact attitude you seem to posses.

 

The idea of single men paying more for parties is not to make money off of you, but rather to discourage those not really serious about it from showing up. I've been to parties where even as a married male with my wife I've had to pay twice admittance as my wife just because I am a man and the hosts have wanted to keep it equal for all men. The couple price still end's up the same because my wife costs less to get in... but as a married man I pay the same as a single guy. Do I care? No. It keeps the blockhead single guys out of the party. And I could fill a book with bad experiences we've had with single guys at parties that thought my wife was their personal Jenna Jameson and not a person with feelings and desires just like you.

[nice_cpl_n_bama 24]

Tell yourself what you like honey, but in the deep dark of the night when you're laying there all alone in bed wondering why you got your ass kicked out of the club again, a thought comes to you...maybe you're not as sweet a peach as you think you are.

Go get'em! That is priceless.

[fox412 15]

Wow. Guys like Jojo are one of the two things that worry me most about going to a club as a single woman. *shudder*

[Chip_n_Muffy 16]

Wow. Guys like Jojo are one of the two things that worry me most about going to a club as a single woman. *shudder*

 

OK, now ya gotta tell us. What it the other thing?

 

Chip

[fox412 15]

Not knowing anyone and ending up sitting in a corner all night.

 

There's also the issue of self-consciousness and not living up to what everyone likes in a woman, but that's neither here nor there.

[spectraschain 21]

and not living up to what everyone likes in a woman

Aw, everyone likes anyone for a variety of reasons...I look for things in a woman that most men don't.

Jojo not withstanding, I doubt that

Not knowing anyone and ending up sitting in a corner all night

will be an issue for a single female...

You'll make plenty of friends....