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The swinging industry needs to be less homophobic to men

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I have watched this thread since it started and I am amazed at the people who do NOT understand why bi play between men is off limits at clubs. I frankly get tired of people who use the arguments that "swingers" are suppose to be more open minded and accepting of all lifestyle choices. I am sorry but who said we are more open minded and WHY would anyone make an assumption like that? We are all human beings and we all have our own likes and dislikes, especially when it comes to anything sexual. Can you imagine the reaction from people at a club, if a couple showed up with the wife being lead around on a leash? Personally, it would not bother me, but I know many lifestyle people that would be appalled, even to the point of being disgusted. They would not want to see that kind of activity in "THEIR" club. If it persisted, they would stop attending.

 

Now let us break it down for those who need to have it drawn out with crayons. This couple is not hurting anyone, they are both willing participants, they are not asking anyone to join in their activities, and they actually just want to be able to express their own sexuality in an open format like a swing club. In their minds, they know others at that club share their sexual taste and by being open about it, they will attract those people with similar interest.

 

These are the same arguments that the bi guy crowd uses to justify their position and they top it off by playing the “lifestyle is about sexual freedom and open mindedness" trump card. What if instead of it just being a woman lead around on a leash it was her or him being whipped or caned, or what if it was any other type of "extreme" sexual interest that didn't involve others. Sorry but the lifestyle is NOT about sexual open mindedness, it is not about being on the forefront of sexual freedom. It is about people who enjoy having sex with people other than their SO, clubs are just a place for these people to meet others who share those same interest.

 

If we had an interest in BDSM, we would not go to a typical swing club in hopes of finding others who share that interest. Nor would we ever go to a typical club expecting people to accept being subjected to or embrace our particular kink. Why in the hell do the people interested in bi male play think that everyone should be accepting and opened minded about their alternate lifestyle choices? It is amazing to me why theses people expect all of us to adapt our mindset and comfort level to accommodate them and they justify it by pronouncing the rest of us as being narrow-minded and prejudice.

 

I know this is a rant, but people who think that everyone should be accepting of their choices, just because we are all involved in an alternative lifestyle, seriously confuses us.

 

We face similar issues in the lifestyle with our relationship all the time but we don't FORCE our relationship style on others nor do we expect everyone to understand us and our relationship choice. And for the record we are in no way shape or form into BDSM!!!! It was just an example to help illustrate the point I was trying to make...

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Why on earth should bi men have to go to a gay club? That's a form of direction. You're putting them in a freak box and saying "you belong elsewhere, not in the mainstream". Bi men should be able to go with their wives/girlfriends to any mainstream swing club and do what they do with other guys, just as women are allowed to do it with other women.

 

As for the bondage analogy, that's a fallacious one. Bondage is a fetish, bisexuality is an orientation. If women can practice bisexual relations in a swing club then men should be able to as well.

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I realize this is an old topic but I think I can answer the question why don't clubs allow male contact with other males? We were told by a club manager that it's because they already have a problem with gay men trolling the parking lots, and they don't want it to get worse. Two of the clubs we go to had to post signs about loitering in the parking lot which we thought had to do with drugs. The manager said no, it was mostly because they had a problem with guys hanging around outside waiting for other guys who didn't get lucky to come outside for oral sex or whatever. He said they would be doing it inside the club if he allowed it, which is why he posted signs. So in a way it's not really about guys with guys, but it is. I don't care what they do with each other, but I don't think I'd want to go to a club that had them hanging out there. Maybe I am being unfair, but I would also be concerned about disease with anybody (even couples) we met there.

 

My husband made a funny comment when he heard the reason they don't allow guys to be with guys at our club. He said it must be a real bummer to shave and shower, dress up in your Saturday night best and pay $60 to get in a club, then end the evening in the front seat of a pickup truck, getting oral sex from a bald headed man wearing a bra and panties.

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As for the bondage analogy, that's a fallacious one. Bondage is a fetish, bisexuality is an orientation. If women can practise bisexual relations in a swing club then men should be able to as well.

Since this old topic has been revisited..... let me ask " anyone notice how mackie got so "out of sorts" by the comparison between his point of view and BDSM and yet was so willing to put his team's preferences shoulder 2 shoulder in comparison with an entire race's trials and tribulations? " :lol:

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Ok I by no means have read this whole thread but I managed through the first 3 pages.

 

Its become crystal clear t me that for the most part bisexual men are not welcome at clubs and most parties. I'm bi. Been bi all my life so when I realized this and I got mad. I now realize that to believe that bisexual men would be accepted in the "openness" of a club was naive. Believe me it ain't the first time I've encountered homophobia and it the last time either. Oh well that is life. I guess we'll just have to make friends with bi men outside of clubs.

 

That said, I have this to say also. You who are homophobic to the point that you would recoil in horror at the sight of two men together at a club are mentally ill. You have the same illness that infects nazis and klansmen.

 

What make you think that the next person is anymore comfortable with seeing two women together? That is a turn on for you straight guys as it is for most bi men. What you have here is a double standard: it is ok for women but not for men. Why not? What is so horrible about it? I mean two men having sex isn't like mixing bleach and ammonia, they're not going to release poisonous gasses...unless they had a bean burrito for dinner.

 

And one other thing... 99% of bisexual men I have met identify themselves as bisexual NOT gay. I find it offensive when someone refers to me as gay and most bisexual people do too. And think about what your saying when you call someone a fag. The word fag which is defined "as a bundle of sticks used for burning" comes from the fact that during The Inquisitions, when the flames around the women being burned as witches(usually because they were midwives or because they didn't take shit from men) would die down if there were still a few "witches" alive they would take the homosexuals and tie them up , dowse them is fuel oil and throw them on the fires as human fuel.

 

So chew on that for a while....

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If I was a club owner, I would allow same sex for men to go on. If the women are given that privilege, why shouldn't the men? The only difference would be that the men would have to go into a closed room especially for what they want to do where no one else could see them, because not many people want to see this going on. People, well should I say most of society is more excepting of same sex with women than they are of men. Sorry, but that is the truth.Why? I guess many people find it to be erotic, sexy, and entertaining to watch. Many men would not like to go through what women go through as far as sex is concerned. They know that there can be pain involved. So when men picture this going on between two men, it is very distasteful or a real turn off. Women on the other hand don't have anything to put inside of each other, so men find it entertaining to watch two women just rub on each other because they are not really doing any damage to each other or causing any pain internally.

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:rolleyes: We are "nazis, mentally ill or subconsciously afraid of pain" when we won't allow male activity by gay or bi males @ a str8 club but forcing their lifestyle on others is acceptable to them because... what? Swingers no longer have the right to choose what they want to be around? You consent to have sex with someone other than your own partner and you lose the right to choose what you find is acceptable? Is that the logic the other side of the argument is working with? No one who has argued the other side of the issue has dealt with the fact that the clubs will lose attendance or even acknowledged that going to a str8 club 4 bi male activity is like going to a vegetarian commune 4 a steak dinner.

If bi male activity occurs @ a club then it is not a str8 club, a str8 club is a club 4 str8 males. What I don't get is why can't this simple concept get through to those on that side of the debate?

I have a question.... do they have a clear meaning of the word straight? I seriously have a feeling that straight males in the lifestyle are under siege. That a small minority wants to move the definition of straight to include men who have sex with men but don't want to be labeled as such. :nono:

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As long as you are aware that there are a number of pages where people post the same tired, wrong, silly statements that you have

 

 

I think the saddest part is that anyone here would think it's Wrong to hold personal opinions that differ. Calling what someone else likes or desires is wrong, IMHO. (It is ok to explain to posters why blood play isn't allowed or why guy/guy isn't allowed or why condoms are required at a club. If I want to experience anything not allowed at a club, then I need to play elsewhere).

 

Plenty of people in the world have the opinion that what we do as swingers is wrong and that shouldn't affect us. If it did, swinging would become a thing of the past for us all.

 

Neither should the people who hold opinions that any sexual act that is between consenting adults is wrong. You wanna try it or you know you like it....

 

If you can not find a club that allows what you want....start a small house party with some like minded friends.

 

And that goes for the people who like BDSM as well as anyone who can't stand seeing girl/girl play (or guy/guy).

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You consent to have sex with someone other than your own partner and you lose the right to choose what you find is acceptable? Is that the logic the other side of the argument is working with?

 

That is pretty much the logic, Ruff...

 

It gets spewed about with all of the nasty labels that a person can think of, in an attempt to villanize anyone who doesn't agree with them. It is a cheap attempt to win an unwinnable argument.

 

I might change one term in what you wrote - and that is the word "acceptable". I find it perfectly acceptable for two men to have sex - and I would support a place like Tia suggests in her post. But, like you, I just choose not to see it. It doesn't interest me. I am a part of the majority in swinging - and as you also point out, the majority pays the bills.

 

Two men openly having sex in my club, while I have no issues with it personally, would turn me off and spoil my night out. I would be forced to choose another club. What people don't realize is that this is not prejudice - this is preference. It is also a common opinion - and if everyone chose another club, the club that allows the bisexual activity would fold - or become a niche club.

 

Most club owners don't want that - understandably - so the rules are what they are.

 

It is the small minded who claim bigotry. It is nothing of the sort. Just as a person who does not want to see people naked would choose not to come to a swing club (nothing "Nazi" about that) people who are not interested in watching two men have sex would not go to a bi-open club.

 

Preference people. No one has said anywhere on this thread that it is wrong - just that they don't want to watch. Very simple concept for most of us...

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The "swinging industry" is provided to you and they want to cover their costs. The swinging industry is less homophobic to 50%+- of their patrons of the female gender so that is a good start. :) So they have to cater to the majority of their clients wants and wishes. So it's not really the industry but the patrons who get what they want out of the industry.

 

I have also noticed that there is a group of people that come here looking for a Gay, Bi, or Lesbian bar that is swinger friendly. Maybe that would be a better choice in this situation.

 

I am sure when you find this type establishment there wouldn't be a problem with them listing it here or maybe somewhere else? Is there a somewhere else? Hopefully this idea will flourish.

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I'm not wrong and Spoo isn't wrong in any way other than that he's saying I'm wrong. The fact is that this air of intolerance is wrong.

 

 

Here is something to think about, a hypothetical situation if you will. You and the wife take that dream vacation to Europe, which wouldn't be complete with a visit to a European Sex Club...Right? So you walk in and whoa there are bisexual men there having sex with each other and the women. What do you do, Leave? Because in Europe they don't have this problem, in Europe everyone is welcome to explore any part of their sexuality they want to and if you don't like whats going on in one room you just go to another, and if you can't find something your into or can be around then that is your problem not everyone elses. They don't act like this.

 

The fact is that as a whole in this country we are completely backwards sexually. I had never encountered Homophobia in this lifestyle before we started thinking of going to a club. It was a shock, the shock is only a few days old but I'm getting used to it the same as I have all my life. Homophobia is nothing new to me. I was just surprised to find it among people who consider them selves to be so open minded and enlightened.

 

That is cool, so your scared of bisexual men or you outright despise bisexual men but that's your problem not ours. I'm just glad that the place we have found does not forbid MM sex so we have plans to meet some other couples there with bi men and if nothing else we'll just meet outside to fulfill those fantasies.

 

Believe me I do understand why there might be a rule about mm sex out in the open play areas but to forbid it out right even in private play areas is just plain ridiculous. Completely forbidding MM bi-sex shows that you are scared, frightened and insecure about your own sexuality. I asked a bi woman once why she didn't like bi men and her answer was, "because I don't like the notion that anyone can please him better than me and I know a man can."

 

I mean think about what your saying: in a place where we tolerate even the intolerable we will not be tolerated.

 

 

It just brings me back to the fact that its ok for women in this society but not for men. I didn't choose this I was born this way, it would have been an easier life had been attracted to either only women or only men.

 

My beef is not so much with swingers, but with society as a whole. It has become almost mainstream to see women together but every time m bi men even poke their heads out of the closet your there pushing them back in.

 

Heres one for ya Most of the single bi married men I meet or that answer ads that I myself put up without the wife (she knows I have guys night out) are in closet and have never told their wife or anyone else about their sexuality so they sneak around and do risky things. They develop guilt, which is a sickness that eats away at a person and a family until there is nothing but misery. In fact a few times over the years I have gotten phone calls from the male half of a "straight" couple when his wife wasn't around asking if he could come over and satisfy the curiosity that has been eating at him for years. I always ask them if their better half knows what their doing and they always say no, so I turn them down. So think about that, especially you ladies, the man that you think is 100% straight and would never even dream of such things, probably has a few fantasies and he may be out "cruising" the adult bookstores or calling your playmates that are bi without you. Don't worry I'll turn his ass around and send him home with a stern talking to :nono: .

 

It is not so much the clubs or the fact that maybe I'm getting a little HETEROphobic its just the way society treat us in general that has me miffed.

It is even more acceptable to be gay than it is to be bi. Like I said before I didn't choose it. I was born this way.

 

Ok I have to get ready for our first club experience tonight and hey I may come in here tomorrow and say tell you that my feelings and my fears about it were unfounded. I hope so...Wish us luck!

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Here is something to think about, a hypothetical situation if you will. You and the wife take that dream vacation to Europe, which wouldn't be complete with a visit to a European Sex Club...Right? So you walk in and whoa there are bisexual men there having sex with each other and the women. What do you do, Leave?

 

Knowing Mrs. Chicup yes :lol: Plus with the state of many Europeans and hygiene, not sure if I'd want to go to a European club. Maybe its just the ones in the states that dont' shower enough but ugh.

 

Because in Europe they don't have this problem, in Europe everyone is welcome to explore any part of their sexuality they want to and if you don't like whats going on in one room you just go to another, and if you can't find something your into or can be around then that is your problem not everyone elses. They don't act like this.

 

Again, good for them, when in Rome and all.

 

The fact is that as a whole in this country we are completely backwards sexually. I had never encountered Homophobia in this lifestyle before we started thinking of going to a club. It was a shock, the shock is only a few days old but I'm getting used to it the same as I have all my life. Homophobia is nothing new to me. I was just surprised to find it among people who consider them selves to be so open minded and enlightened.

 

Enough of the damn homophobia line. It is not homophobia, its gaymaleactiviesareasexualturnoff. Some people get off on peeing on other people, we find that to be a turn off, if a club had a golden shower area, we would not attend that club, this is the same feeling we have to bisexual male activities. Its great some like it, some like to watch it, some are at least not turned off by watching it, but to me and my wife its a turn off sexually. Its not a judgment, its not saying 'don't' do it' its saying we don't want to see it as it makes us less turned on in a situation that is all about sex. As such we won't go to a club that has it in the open. I don't demand that clubs that allow it stop it.

 

That is cool, so your scared of bisexual men or you outright despise bisexual men but that is your problem not ours. I'm just glad that the place we have found does not forbid MM sex so we have plans to meet some other couples there with bi men and if nothing else we'll just meet outside to fulfill those fantasies.

 

Yes we are terrified of their gay cooties :rollseyes Glad you found a club that allows bisexual men, good for you.

 

Believe me I do understand why there might be a rule about mm sex out in the open play areas but to forbid it out right even in private play areas is just plain ridiculous.

 

Well unless there are surveillance cameras (which are always a possibility) I'm not sure how anyone would know.

 

Completely forbidding MM bi-sex shows that you are scared, frightened and insecure about your own sexuality.

 

Oh god, not this again.

 

I asked a bi woman once why she didn't like bi men and her answer was, "because I don't like the notion that anyone can please him better than me and I know a man can."

 

Yes you are on to it, the women are afraid of competition! :rolleyes:

 

I mean think about what your saying: in a place where we tolerate even the intolerable we will not be tolerated.

 

Now to the back of the bus with you!

 

It just brings me back to the fact that it is ok for women in this society but not for men. I didn't choose this I was born this way, it would have been an easier life had been attracted to either only women or only men.

 

My beef is not so much with swingers, but with society as a whole. It has become almost mainstream to see women together but every time m bi men even poke their heads out of the closet your there pushing them back in.

 

Heres one for ya Most of the single bi married men I meet or that answer ads that I myself put up without the wife (she knows I have guys night out) are in closet and have never told their wife or anyone else about their sexuality so they sneak around and do risky things. They develop guilt, which is a sickness that eats away at a person and a family until there is nothing but misery. In fact a few times over the years I have gotten phone calls from the male half of a "straight" couple when his wife wasn't around asking if he could come over and satisfy the curiosity that has been eating at him for years. I always ask them if their better half knows what their doing and they always say no, so I turn them down. So think about that, especially you ladies, the man that you think is 100% straight and would never even dream of such things, probably has a few fantasies and he may be out "cruising" the adult bookstores or calling your playmates that are bi without you. Don't worry I'll turn his ass around and send him home with a stern talking to :nono: .

 

Its not so much the clubs or the fact that maybe I'm getting a little HETEROphobic its just the way society treat us in general that has me miffed.

Its even more acceptable to be gay than it is to be bi. Like I said before I didn't choose it. I was born this way.

 

And good for you, I embrace your bi nature and think of you as equal to any heterocouple. I still don't' want to see you have sex, dirty dance, kiss, fondle, grope, or give a bj to a guy. Like you I can't help that I'm heterosexual and find gay male activities to be icky. I was born this way the same as you, and I don't' expect gay or bi clubs to change their rules for me, but you expect clubs to change to accommodate you. We are swingers, we, as a group are into some sexual activities which are outside of the norm, that doesn't mean we need to embrace sexual activities that don't appeal to us at our clubs.

 

Ok I have to get ready for our first club experience tonight and hey I may come in here tomorrow and say tell you that my feelings and my fears about it were unfounded. I hope so...Wish us luck!

 

Honestly good luck, and have fun.

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And good for you, I embrace your bi nature and think of you as equal to any heterocouple. I still dont' want to see you have sex, dirty dance, kiss, fondle, grope, or give a bj to a guy. Like you I can't help that I'm heterosexual and find gay male activities to be icky. I was born this way the same as you, and I dont' expect gay or bi clubs to change their rules for me, but you expect clubs to change to accommodate you. We are swingers, we, as a group are into some sexual activities which are outside of the norm, that doesn't mean we need to embrace sexual activities that don't appeal to us at our clubs.

 

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Great post, Chicup.

 

No one is saying that male bisexuality is wrong. All we are saying is it is not for us. Fair enough? Why shove it down our throats...

 

Err... Ummm... :eek: ... No pun intended...

 

Why must we be okay with watching it for you to not be so upset? There are plenty of folks who enjoy it, plenty of places for you to get it, and really - no one is standing in your way of a good time. Like you said in your post - there are plenty of guys (some who list themselves as straight) who are bicurious. You really don't need us to change our club rules for you to enjoy yourself - so what is your point?

 

How long have you been a swinger? And you are just now trying a club? Did swinging not work for you before? Do you need the club - and do you need them to change their rules to make this lifestyle work?

 

If not - then what is the big deal?

 

And by the way - I think I am right on by saying you are wrong. When you compare the disinterest in MM sex to Nazi-ism you are offensive to an entire race of people who faced far more persecution than simply not being able to give some one a BJ at the bar...

 

That, my friend, is wrong as well as twisted thinking. Quit struggling so hard to make your point and use your head a little.

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And by the way - I think I am right on by saying you are wrong. When you compare the disinterest in MM sex to Nazi-ism you are offensive to an entire race of people who faced far more persecution than simply not being able to give some one a BJ at the bar...

 

Fine I admit that is a little over the top. And never said anyone should change anything. I'm not really talking about clubs or swinging for that matter any more I'm talking about life in general. All I said is I think its fucked, I never said you should change your rules.

 

Your not bi so you have f'n clue what my life is like. It is not you who are ostracized (sp.). Its not you who have gotten the shit kicked out of you by some drunken redneck in the parking lot of a mixed (gay/bi/str8) bar, because he saw you kiss a guy inside.

 

How long have I been swinging? About 16 years? And my reasons for wanting to go to a club are my own, and I don't see what that has to do with it anyway. I don't need a club and I certainly don't need anyone to change their club for me. I'm really talking about peoples attitudes in general. You know nothing about us(bi men) yet you make statements as though you haves some sort of experience being on the receiving end of homophobia.

 

Believe me I'm not forcing myself onto anyone but I don't think I should have to hide who I am in order to not catch shit from the rest of the world and that is what society wants me to do. If your not homophobic and you feel you have nothing to be ashamed of then you you've done nothing wrong and my statements are not directed at you. Why would you think they are?

 

This argument is getting stupid, it is pointless, I'm not engaging in it anymore. If you disagree with me fine we'll leave it at that and move on. No reason to fight.

 

BTW we went tonight and had a really great time. It was the first time I had been in room with so many basically like minded people. We did meet some nice people who we will party with again. We met some couples with bi men that we will probably meet again, off-premises. So yes we will go to the club again and yes we had a great time. I didn't hide my sexuality since it came up in conversation and I wasn't the one that brought up bisexual men. And no one was homophobic towards me there, and this is Texas.

 

I did notice there were a lot of new people that never left their tables but me and the wife jumped right in and mingled and played. We had fun and made some cool friends.

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Wow... I just read this entire thread in one go... missed it the first time around... :)

 

Don't hurt me for repeating something that's been mentioned previously. I'm not sure if I have a new take or not but here I am at the start of this post and I'm not sure at the moment how it's going to end... so here goes.

 

I know that "businesses" can't be forced to allow what their patrons don't want.

 

And the patrons don't want male-male sex.

 

That leads me to the thought that bi men need to be more visible. They need to break down the acceptability of anti-bi-men comments.

 

It's difficult, however, for bi men to do that when the community is telling them that they are so unacceptable. For example, "No MM Sex Allowed" signs in clubs, and comments like, "Bisexuals carry more diseases than others," and "MM sex is a MAJOR sexual turn off." I'm not interested in debating the validity of such comments. I realize that much evidence has been supplied already. I just want to say that regardless of how justified you may feel saying these things, they are hurtful to bisexual men. I can understand such comments being read as a moral judgment of sexual orientation. I know that it's not being intended as such, but for a group that is already dealing with it's own lack of acceptance it's easy to make that leap. It's difficult to jump up and shout that that's you when you're putting yourself under a label that others are calling diseased and gross... (okay, not gross but a turn off and something that would make me leave an establishment if I knew it was going on there.. wait a minute.. that sounds a lot like gross...)

 

So I guess I'm left with the sense that I want to stand up with bi men and say that two men finding pleasure with one another is a good and respectable thing. It's true that some minds won't be changed. However, I have a feeling that the ones who say, "It's sooo gross" are in fact in the minority. Most people are actually tolerant. And not just tolerant of MM contact behind closed doors, either. But those people won't say anything on their own - it's not their fight.

 

Anyway.. It's very late here right now and I've been staring blankly at this screen for a long time... I think it's time to go to bed. Perhaps I'll have something that makes more sense to add in the morning.

 

G'night :D

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I doubt this has much to do with this thread, but a funny observation that I have made is that most of the gay guys I have met and gotten to know are every bit as repulsed by Bi-guys as straight guys are. So are those gay guys that don't want to associate with Bi-guys homophobic too?

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You know nothing about us(bi men) yet you make statements as though you haves some sort of experience being on the receiving end of homophobia.

 

My best friend is gay...

 

My second best friend is straight, but my third and fourth best friend is... Well - gay...

 

Even my daughter's best friend is gay...

 

So - I have a lot to do with gay men. In fact, I recently helped one dress for a parade (he did drag) but I have no fucking clue about what gay men go through :rollseyes:

 

Grow up, Chuck...

 

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't "get" you. I get you plenty and I hear you loud and clear. If you think that is because I don't "get it" then that is ignorance...

 

I just don't want to watch you have sex. I support and celebrate your sexuality. I just don't think I'd be comfortable watching the sex. Truth is - I know plenty of gay men who wouldn't want to watch me bang my wife...

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My best friend is gay...

 

My second best friend is straight, but my third and fourth best friend is... Well - gay...

 

Even my daughter's best friend is gay...

 

So - I have a lot to do with gay men. In fact, I recently helped one dress for a parade (he did drag) but I have no fucking clue about what gay men go through :rollseyes

 

Grow up, Chuck...

 

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't "get" you. I get you plenty and I hear you loud and clear. If you think that is because I don't "get it" then that is ignorance...

 

I just don't want to watch you have sex. I support and celebrate your sexuality. I just don't think I'd be comfortable watching the sex. Truth is - I know plenty of gay men who wouldn't want to watch me bang my wife...

 

 

Yeah and I have some black friends too but that doesn't mean I know what its like to be black pal.

 

It is cool. I can tell this is your own little board here Spoomonkey so on my way out I'll say the same thing to you I said to chicup: go fuck yourself. Because bi or not I'de never fuck ya. Bye.

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Yeah and I have some black friends too but that doesn't mean I know what its like to be black pal.

 

Irrelevant... Never said I knew what it was like to be gay, I said I know quite a bit of what they go through. I suppose the fact that I am obviously not homophobic - yet still don't desire to see two men have sex - leaves you with little left to argue.

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Ok I by no means have read this whole thread but I managed through the first 3 pages.

 

I'm bi. Been bi all my life so when I realized this and I got mad.

 

:rofl::lol::hahaha::lol:

 

Just found this statement funny!

 

For what it's worth, I'm a straight, white, married male so I think (but maybe not anymore) that puts me in the majority which means I don't have any voice in anything. My voice is I don't go and spend my money where I'm not happy. Call me any names you like, homophobic, nazi, etc. - It doesn't change my opinion.

 

I like women. So a lady doing anything sexy is fine with me, be it with another man or another woman. I'm watching the woman (or women facelick ) either way.

 

My wife is straight too. 2 women don't turn her on, but it doesn't turn her off, she likes looking at the guys and watching the guys watch her and other women. She gets a kick out of how we can lose our total thought and coordination when a lady walks by. :)

 

So for all the club owners: If I go to a club and 2 guys are dancing, touching, feeling, etc - are they gay or are they Bi? They sure look gay to me and I'm in the wrong place - period. I'm not going to bitch and complain. I'm leaving. Bye, no more money spent. My wife has the exact same opinion. :kiss:

 

If you have a separate room or area for that activity-great, I won't go to that area.

 

Same with smoking. If you have a non-smoking area, I'll be there. If not, I'll go to the club that does.

 

Just my change.

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This is only my opinion, but this argument will end when bi men come out. I don't think those that don't want to see MM activity are the majority.

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This is only my opinion, but this argument will end when bi men come out. I don't think those that don't want to see MM activity are the majority.

 

I agree and have said the same thing in other places on the board. It really is not the job of straight men to make bisexuality more acceptable. If there really is a silent majority of bisexual males out there (I kind of doubt that, really, but if there are) it is their issue and their interest to speak up.

 

They vote the same way we do - with their wallet. If bisexual men stopped going to clubs (presumably, according to the theory, closeted) and the numbers are what some would have us believe, then the clubs would be forced to change.

 

As it is, I am happy with our club the way that it is. I have no motivation (i.e. no dog in this fight) to change things.

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So what's the big deal? If a single man wants to have sex with a couple, or a couple wants to have sex with a man (only), wouldn't that mean that both of the men involved were just a little, teensy bit maybe, gay? Otherwise, the single guy would be looking for just a woman, and the couple would be looking for only other couples (a man for her and a woman for him).

 

Everybody keeps saying how hard it is for single men to get into the lifestyle and how hard it is for couples to meet single men. OK, so WHY are they going to all this trouble unless the men involved want to be involved sexually in some way with other men? I know when we had a profile on swappernet a lot of the supposedly "straight" guys who contacted us admitted that they were really bisexual but didn't want to admit it out of fear of retaliation from other swingers.

 

Like I said previously, somebody is hanging out in those parking lots behind the swing clubs, and it's not the guys with wives :lol:

 

Please don't flame me, I don't care one way or another as my brother is as gay as they come (and he's a hunk, too) I'm just asking the question that's all.

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So what's the big deal? If a single man wants to have sex with a couple, or a couple wants to have sex with a man (only), wouldn't that mean that both of the men involved were just a little, teensy bit maybe, gay? Otherwise, the single guy would be looking for just a woman, and the couple would be looking for just a man.

 

Everybody keeps saying how hard it is for single men to get into the lifestyle and how hard it is for couples to meet single men. OK, so WHY are they going to all this trouble unless the men involved want to be involved sexually in some way with other men? I know when we had a profile on swappernet a lot of the supposedly "straight" guys who contacted us admitted that they were really bisexual but didn't want to admit it out of fear of retaliation from other swingers.

 

Like I said previously, somebody is hanging out in those parking lots behind the swing clubs, and it's not the guys with wives :lol:

 

Please don't flame me, I don't care one way or another as my brother is as gay as they come (and he's a hunk, too) I'm just asking the question that's all.

 

Eh?

 

Did you just say that all couples interested in an MFM is because they guys are bi?

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Chicup,

 

Some people just can't wrap their minds around it.

 

We've been having MFMs for years and not once have I wanted to do Anything with the other guy. I like to see my wife fuck and receive pleasure, pure and simple.

 

Have any of the guys we've had MFMs with been bi? Not that I/we know of but they all have represented themselves as 'straight.'

 

Following Numbskulls theory, I suppose if you enjoy anything other than lesbian porn, and your a guy, you must want cock.

 

Reminds me of the Ron White joke..... :lol:

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I think it's the fact that the "I don't want to see mm sex" folks are so passionate in their dislike that makes me think there's more to it than just a simple, "I'm not interested."

 

There are a number of groups of people that I'm not interested in having sex with or even watching have sex. But for the most part I wouldn't leave a club over it.

 

As an example, a number of people have expressed here that they aren't really interested in seeing ff sex. But none of those people have said that they would leave a club over it and only patronize clubs that have a strict "no ff sex" rule. And it's been said that that's because ff sex is different. Why is that? Because the majority of people are fine with ff sex? When the majority hates one group then it's fine to tell them to go away and hide.

 

 

And it isn't that men being sexual is gross. It's been mentioned that MFMs are totally acceptable and not at all gay (for the record, I see that they are not necessarily gay). It's men being sexual with other men that is SO disturbing.

 

How can one argue that it's not a big deal for a man to be attracted to other men and at the same time express such adamant repulsion. It's certainly being put on a different level from, say, not being attracted to brunettes, or not being interested in watching oral sex.

 

Of course, I have no issues with people saying, "Yeah, it's not my cup of tea."

 

10 pages of "It's gross. It's a total turn off. I wouldn't go to a club that allows such activity even in private rooms. You bisexual men should go find your own clubs and stop pushing your sexual orientation in our faces," strikes me as coming from a slightly more hateful place.

 

I'm not saying that you guys out there need to have sex with these bisexual guys. But maybe it's worth questioning why it's so repulsive for two men to dance and flirt with each other and why you wouldn't be able to turn away the way you would if you saw something else you didn't find attractive.

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I'm just going to say once again that BISEXUAL DOES NOT EQUAL GAY OR HOMOSEXUAL. I have never met a bisexual person who wanted to be identified as gay. Homosexuals are attracted only to members of the same sex. Bisexuals are attracted to both genders almost equally, while they may lean slightly in one direction or the other, they feel strong attraction to both sexes. Heterosexuals are attracted to member of the opposite sex.

 

 

I also do not agree with the notions that:

 

1) Everyone is a little bisexual. That would be like saying everyone is a little pregnant.

2) People who want to engage in mmf threesome are a little bisexual.

3) A person can be straight and enjoy sexual contact with a member of the same sex. That's right guys, "the I'm str8 but I'll let a guy suck my dick", thing doesn't fly.

 

Now some offensive stereotypes and offensive assumptions.

 

Bi people are:

 

1) are carrying disease.

2) unable to commit

3) are more promiscuous than gay or straight people.

4) confused

5) are always looking at you in a sexual way.

6) are really gay but afraid or unwilling to admit it.

 

 

One other thing you may want to consider: people who are usually the most anti gay or anti bi are usually compensating for their own self-loathing caused by the fact that they have bisexual tendencies.

 

Someone said that bi men need to be more out and I could not agree more, that is why I have been out and proud for many years. That is why my profiles on swingers sites always say I'm bi.

 

Someone else said that their gay friends are "repulsed" (now there is a nice tactful term...sarcasm) by bisexuals. We know that, and some times we are ostracized by gays too, but hey there are jerks in every crowd. But then that lends credence to the fact that there are three separate sexual orientations now doesn't it.

 

The only reason I've posted here again is because I'm starting to see all kinds of stereotypes pop up even from people who are the, "bi side" of this argument.

 

None of this had ever been an issue with me as far as swinging until we decided to go to a club. I've always told people up front and if they are straight and still want to play with me and the Ol' Lady great, or if their bi even better.

 

Yeah I admit I've made some heated comments here, and I apologize, but many of you have said some really offensive things here as well but I doubt you got any PMs from the mods.

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Eh?

 

Did you just say that all couples interested in an MFM is because they guys are bi?

Sorry, what I meant to say in the last sentence of the first paragraph came out totally wrong. I meant to say that if the man and woman of a couple are both equally interested in the opposite sex, wouldn't they prefer to be with another couple?

 

Maybe what I'm asking is when does a person cross the line between "straight" ad "bi"? There was this one couple we met who were mostly into MFM threesomes. She and I got to talking one time and she told me the only good sex they had was when another man was in bed with them and for about a day after. The rest of the time he could barely have an erection. I asked if he was bi and she said "oh no, he never touches the other man. Usually, he just watches and masturbates, and then does oral on me after the other man leaves".

 

Which got us both to thinking, maybe he's not technically bi, but???????

 

I kep thinking about that senator who got busted in the airport restroom and how he was all over TV saying he wasn't gay and had never been gay? Well, I'm with Dennis Leary on that one-if you have to keep telling people over and over your not gay, YOU'RE GAY!" :lol::lol::lol:

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Now some offensive stereotypes and offensive assumptions.

 

Bi people are:

 

1) are carrying disease.

3) are more promiscuous than gay or straight people.

I am NOT offended by MM sex, in fact, I'd like to see 2 guys doing it. (I just don't want one of them to be my husband, LOL) but you are wrong, wrong wrong about bisexual men not being more promiscuous or having more diseases than straight people! Gay men (and especially gay black men) have the highest rates of STDs of any group, followed by bisexual men (and I forget what comes after). I do know that lesbians have very low rates of STD's.

 

The Center for disease control publishes the statistics for this, I'm sure you can look it up on their website.

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I went to their website and couldn't find those statistics. But statistics lie and so does the government. Besides, I simply said they were offensive assumptions and stereotypes. Which is what they are. Assuming a person is promiscuous or that they are carrying disease is stereotyping. one would have no way of knowing wither way just by knowledge of the fact that they are bi.

 

The fact is that being swingers by definition (yes I just looked it up to make sure) we are all promiscuous. Plus there is no way you going to get me to believe that I'm in more danger of catching an STD by giving a blow job than a woman is when she takes an ejaculation in her vagina.

 

When I was at the club the other night I saw lots of people having unprotected str8 sex with people they had just met. Your going to tell me that they're a safer fuck then me? If you say so...

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I think it's the fact that the "I don't want to see mm sex" folks are so passionate in their dislike that makes me think there's more to it than just a simple, "I'm not interested." ... When the majority hates one group then it's fine to tell them to go away and hide.

 

I think it starts off as simply "I don't want to see mm sex."

 

But the choice of inflammatory language that is used to cram it down our throats (i.e. "hates" or "homophobic" or "Nazi") can cause anyone to be a little bit defensive. I am sure, given your field of interest, Miss Piggy, that you understand the power of language to alienate and vilify.

 

As many have said on this thread - we have no problem with bisexual males. But what I think most of us have a very understandable issue with is the "militant bifurious" folks who can't accept our opinions as valid.

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:) It was absolutely my error in using the word hate there. Please feel free to substitute it for dislike.

 

I had no intention of likening the discomfort felt by many with regard to bisexuals to the actions of Nazis... My main point was to say that I would like to see mm activity approached by those who are in the "I'm not interested" with a shrug and turn over to something more appealing to them.

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:) It was absolutely my error in using the word hate there. Please feel free to substitute it for dislike.

 

I had no intention of likening the discomfort felt by many with regard to bisexuals to the actions of Nazis... My main point was to say that I would like to see mm activity approached by those who are in the "I'm not interested" with a shrug and turn over to something more appealing to them.

 

It's been my experience that gut feelings are right. In fact that advise is given quite regularly in many other threads here. I can only guess that since you used the word hate, that is what you felt coming from this thread. You shouldn't take back expressing how this thread made you feel because some don't want to hear it. This thread does have hate in it, from both sides. When you discuss a subject that evokes extreme passion, it's going to happen. If I'm wrong for pointing that out, I don't want to be right.

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I'm sorry for not being linear in my thoughts and responses to posts here. I read through, and the go back and reread. Then you get what you have here, me getting out of order.

I think it starts off as simply "I don't want to see mm sex."

 

But the choice of inflammatory language that is used to cram it down our throats (i.e. "hates" or "homophobic" or "Nazi") can cause anyone to be a little bit defensive. I am sure, given your field of interest, Miss Piggy, that you understand the power of language to alienate and vilify.

 

It is my opinion that you are anything but any of those words. I can't understand why they would make you defensive.

 

As many have said on this thread - we have no problem with bisexual males. But what I think most of us have a very understandable issue with is the "militant bifurious" folks who can't accept our opinions as valid.

 

Unfortunately that is the way things are today. Fringe groups everywhere browbeat those that don't share their opinion.

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Plus there is no way you going to get me to believe that I'm in more danger of catching an STD by giving a blow job than a woman is when she takes an ejaculation in her vagina.
One of the biggest things we see in gay and bi men is Hepatitis, especially Hep C, which can be transmitted by playing with someone's butt. So if your performing oral sex on a penis that was in somebody's butt a half hour before, you may have a problem there.

 

Straight couples can get the same diseases from butt-play that gay men get. The reason they don't (statistically) is because they have other places to stick their penises which don't transmit Hep C.

 

Statistics can never tell you if somebody has a disease or not. (if they could, I'd be out of a job) But if you have absolutely nothing else to go on, they can give you an idea of what the risk factors are for that person, which is better than nothing.

 

Oh, BTW, because both the mouth and vagina are "entrances" to the body, both have developed natural built in protection against bacteria. Since your butt is considered by mother nature to be an "exit" it doesn't have those protections, so if somebody happens to leave a "bug" up here, you're gonna get sick.

 

I'm sorry if none of this conforms to your beliefs about gay and bi men (and sex) but it's how the medical community views the problem and the reasons for it.

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That could be a more useful statistic, but how would you use it? Swingers are not honest. The number of "straight" men that contact me is staggering, that is why I believe clubs are going to change. Sorry to drag you out of your blissfully ignorant state, but every active swinger on this site has played with a bi man, bank on it.

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One of the biggest things we see in gay and bi men is Hepatitis, especially Hep C, which can be transmitted by playing with someone's butt. So if your performing oral sex on a penis that was in somebody's butt a half hour before, you may have a problem there.

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That is a mute point, you can catch HCV from anyone's ass even a woman's.

 

All that may be true, and I'm sure it is, but you run an equal risk of contracting a "bug" up the butt if your a woman. Women engage in anal sex too. Beside the notion that all bi or gay men constantly engage in butt play is another stupid stereotype. Its a rare thing for me to put anything more than a small toy up there and I think that if you could find stats on that you find it was fairly common that bi and gay men are mostly oral and its a rare thing, for most, to have anal sex.

 

I majored in mathematics in college and believe it or not I was only required to take one stats class but I took so I know your point is mute because basically if you having unprotected sex with anyone that you are not 100% positive is STD free you have a 50/50 chance of them being infected with an STD.

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every active swinger on this site has played with a bi man, bank on it.

 

Very likely. I agree this is probably the case as there are probably more men who have some level of bi-interest, whether it is active bisexuality or a minimal bicuriosity, than there are completely straight men. I'd be shocked if I had never been in a room with a man who had some level of bisexual leaning.

 

Thankfully, so far, they have been respectful of my preferences and comfort zones. As long as that is always the case, there shouldn't be an issue with it.

 

I have never knowingly been in the same room as a bisexual male, but if I had, it would not bother me. The fact that I don't know they were bi speaks volumes for their respect towards me.

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:) It was absolutely my error in using the word hate there. Please feel free to substitute it for dislike.

 

Not to put to fine a point on it, but I really am not sure "dislike" fits either.

 

I do not dislike bisexual men. I do dislike some men who happen to be bisexual, but their sexuality has nothing in the least to do with it.

 

I like or dislike people based on the person they are, not the person or persons they fuck. If a guy will drink a beer with me and bullshit on the back porch while I'm grilling burgers, I really don't care who he goes home to.

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I have never knowingly been in the same room as a bisexual male, but if I had, it would not bother me. The fact that I don't know they were bi speaks volumes for their respect towards me.

 

Wow! I would have thought the opposite to be the case. I have no intent to try playing with a man that doesn't want me to, I respect limits. I would have thought they would at least like to know I'm bi. To be able to add that to the equation in deciding if they want to play with me and Sabrina. Damn now I don't know what to do. Thanks Spoo. :)

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I have no intent to try playing with a man that doens't want me to, I respect limits.

 

What more could a guy want?

 

I mean, just the "fact" that you are bi (I am obviously assuming you are based on this post. If I am wrong, I apologize.) doesn't mean anything. If you are respectful of me and cool with being "just" with my wife (who in their right mind wouldn't be? :D ) then why would I worry about who else you play with? We'd absolutely play with a couple like that if the chemistry was right.

 

I have had plenty of offers (we have worked a few gay parties) and I know that I have the freedom to be what ever I am (I could be bisexual if I wanted to and my wife would respect me). I'm just straight. As I told a friend last night (he is bi) - I've confronted that and know what I am interested in. It doesn't mean I'm better or worse, just honest with myself.

 

And in real experience (not just on a board which, by its very nature, allows for strong discussion) I've never met a bisexual man who pushed the issue with me... My experience has been that men "know the climate" and are very respectful.

 

Mrs Spoo and bisexual women... Well - that's another story :rollseyes:

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Gah! I can't win, can I? :lol:

 

 

My point with this sentence that we are now dissecting to death was to do with the fact that majorities have the power to trample on minorities. Therefore, a justification for some acts or words of "Well, that's what the majority believes" isn't really good enough.

 

I wasn't intending to direct anything at you, Spoo. And I certainly wasn't trying to imply that you hate bisexual men as people.

 

I like what you just said about bisexual men, in your experience, being quite respectful of your boundaries. If we could pay more attention to these positive points and less to the negatives I think we'd all be better for it.

 

Not to put to fine a point on it, but I really am not sure "dislike" fits either.

 

I do not dislike bisexual men. I do dislike some men who happen to be bisexual, but their sexuality has nothing in the least to do with it.

 

I like or dislike people based on the person they are, not the person or persons they fuck. If a guy will drink a beer with me and bullshit on the back porch while I'm grilling burgers, I really don't care who he goes home to.

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Gah! I can't win, can I? :lol:

 

 

My point with this sentence that we are now dissecting to death was to do with the fact that majorities have the power to trample on minorities. Therefore, a justification for some acts or words of "Well, that's what the majority believes" isn't really good enough.

 

You can't win Miss Piggy :D

 

I live in the United States. I believe most people I've seen on here do. I thought it was everyone votes and the majority rules? :confused:

 

Guess I need to go back to school.... :eek:

 

I think we all have the privilege to voice our opinion and be heard. That's part of living here too. (Having to listen to all those damn wrong opinions) :rofl:

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I live in the United States. I believe most people I've seen on here do. I thought it was everyone votes and the majority rules? :confused:

 

 

Well departing from the topic of bi men for a second I have to say that the majority does not have the right to persecute the minority ever. It doesn't matter who the majority is or who the minority is no one has the right to persecute or "trample" the minority ever.

 

That is what America is all about isn't it? Everyone is welcome, and everyone is to be tolerated. Its supposed to be that way but it isn't, so I guess I'm just being naive.

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Well departing from the topic of bi men for a second I have to say that the majority does not have the right to persecute the minority ever. It doesn't matter who the majority is or who the minority is no one has the right to persecute or "trample" the minority ever.

 

That is what America is all about isn't it? Everyone is welcome, and everyone is to be tolerated. Its supposed to be that way but it isn't, so I guess I'm just being naive.

 

Sorry, but I don't see how a host asking you to behave in a certain way at their party (or in their club) is trampling on you. Clubs I've been to have a whole list of rules so following your logic each one is trampling on somebody.

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Sorry, but I don't see how a host asking you to behave in a certain way at their party (or in their club) is trampling on you. Clubs I've been to have a whole list of rules so following your logic each one is trampling on somebody.

 

Well if you had read the post you would see that I said I was departing from the topic to encompass bigotry and persecution of the minorities in our society as a whole.

 

I never said that it was trampling on me either I said that its "fucked" and not in the good way. And again I'm only really talking about behind closed doors. I'm also confronting the fact that we have a double standard in our society today: It is ok for women but not for men.

 

 

 

Actually I've been over the argue about clubs for 3 days now. Fine you don't wanna allow it in your club great, we won't go to you club. The club we went to the other night had no problem with it, and we live in Texas. Everyone is always saying how Texas is so backwards, maybe it is the rest of the country that is backwards.

 

And to clarify once again, rules are rules, that is fine and a business is a business and they need to cater to their demographics but what I'm miffed about here is the general attitude that people seem to have about this. One person in this thread said that if they found out that there were men having sex in a club even behind closed doors they would leave and not go back. I mean come on man, What the hell is that? I'll tell you what that is that is homophobia or worse.

 

One other thing you may consider here. In this country you cannot deny a person a job, a place to live or service based on their race, creed, color, or gender. However you can be fired, evicted, denied service or otherwise persecuted because of your sexual orientation. Think about that it; persecution of gay/bi/transgendered people is the last bastion of legal bigotry.

 

If there was a club near you that had a sign up that said, "White People Only" would you patronize that business? I doubt it.

 

I will say this though, on occasion I have gone to bathhouses and seen signs that said, "Men Only No Women Allowed". I still payed my money and went in but it always left me with the feeling that I was patronizing a business that I should be boycotting.

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So this post has progressed from MM interaction being banned at a swing club to the persecution of minorities in our society. :confused:

 

Well, us swingers are minorities too. In fact, we are probably more of a minority than Bi-men. So, damn it, I'm tired of being persecuted and I'm not taking it anymore. We should all unite - swingers, bi-men, gay men, smokers, women, blacks, Hispanics, etc - then WE can become the majority and persecute the former majority - HA - see how they like that - BASTARDS! :soapbox:

 

Oops - sorry, what were we talking about? Oh, where did I put that damn pill. Took the blue one :D - LOL, what color is the chill pill? It must be the green m&m's. facelick

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      John said, "The theme is An Officer and a Gentleman. I can go dressed as a USA Army General using my dad's old uniform. You wear your sexy red top and skirt. You know, the top that doesn't come all the way down, the skirt with the elastic waistband hanging low on you, and your suspenders and stockings. No thong, no bra. You will show off your pussy to her best. My cock is getting hard just thinking about it!"
       
      Wendy replied, "I will be ready when you get home. Your dad's uniform will need a press, and I will prepare everything. See you at 6:00 tonight, darling."
       
      Her hands were shaking when she replaced the receiver breathing shallowly and jerkily as the realization hit home that tonight it would happen! During the afternoon, she got John's clothes ready, checked her dress, found the right shoes, and laid it all out, ready for later. A long hot soak where she shaved her pussy bare using John's razor and made sure her legs and armpits were perfect.
       
      Resting on the bed, she shuffled through the videos they kept hidden from guests and found her favorite, "Suzie's Gang Bang." A fast-action orgy video in which this girl gets fucked by five men altogether. Wendy often watched this and used her vibrator when John was away or working late. Sometimes when her cycle was at ovulation, her sex drive was limitless, and she would role-play watching the action.
       
      The action on the screen hotted up as the men were penetrating Susie left, right, and center. A closeup on-screen of pussy open and dripping. A cock slid into it, wetting itself with her fluids. It slid out, rubbed against her tiny rosebud anus, and gently but firmly slid into opening her slowly. At the same time, another cock pushed into her pussy. Wendy loved this part and rolled onto her side, turned on the vibrator, and sunk it into her arse. Her fingers slid into her pussy, working gently to pleasure her clit. Her hips were thrusting back and forward faster and faster as her climax built. She reached down and switched on her biggest vibrator, a black cock that was as real as it gets. The vibrator was thrust inside her cunt, and she moaned and moaned herself into a massive climax.
       
      Wendy relaxed, watched the movie, enjoyed the post-climactic euphoria, and gently played with her clit. In her mind, she watched the swingers' party unfold - couples fucking, girl-girl, MFM, and FMF at this imaginary party. Inside her head, she had been desperate to fulfill these needs, and it was finally coming true.
       
      In the past, Wendy was often on the verge of saying to John, "Let's try swinging!" She always shrank away from the responsibility in case he rejected the reality. Fantasies are fine, but who knows what the reality will bring? After so many conversations about swinging, so many nearly made decisions, and all those fantasies that included imaginary swinging, they had chosen to go ahead. With an overwhelming certainty, she laid back, smiled, and said to herself, "Tonight, I will fuck a roomful of men. I hope I don't disappoint them; my clit is tingling with anticipation!"
       
      Wendy switched on the vibrator, and her hands moved over her breasts, pinching her nipples and then down to her pussy. Her hips were rocking back and forth. She rolled the pillows up, tied the belt around, clipped the vibrator into the belt, and climbed on top, sinking the vibrator deep inside her pussy and working herself to another peak. She closed her eyes and started rocking harder and harder. Then, a voice penetrated the action, and John stood naked and erect in front of her. She blushed with embarrassment, and he thrust his cock into her mouth. It tasted slightly salty. He lasted about 10 seconds and then dumped the load down her throat, bringing her to a climax.
       
      John smiled and gently rolled Wendy into his arms. "You looked fantastic when I walked in and found you fucking your brains out with your vibrator on top of those pillows. If I feel as proud of you at the party as I did then and how aroused it made me, I can't wait to watch you fuck the guys. Will you enjoy watching me and sharing my pleasure?"
       
      "Oh yes," she said in her little girl's voice, "I will love watching you; maybe I can do a 69 with her and lick her pussy while you thrust in and out and feel your balls contract when you come inside her."
       
      "Mmmmmm, I wonder if all the girls will be bi? I wonder if I could do a girly threesome? Mmmmmm, I wonder if I can get two men to come at the same time inside me. That would be fun too."
       
      "Can I be your vixen tonight and play dirty?" John smiled and spoke softly, the care showing in his voice.
       
      "Babe, we will have a fabulous time together and with other couples or whatever, don't be shy to try what you want, and feel able to say NO if you don't want. Above all, enjoy yourself, and pleasure comes first," she reminded him.
       
      So back to the party! They gathered around a pool table, with the group laughing and joking about the action starting all around. Wendy looked at the two girls on the pool table with their legs over the shoulders of four guys who were licking and sucking nipples, pussies, and one man had her toes in his mouth, sucking them like a breastfeeding baby. Wendy started to pant. She could not get her breath. Her heart was racing, her knees buckled, and she began to shake. Tears flooded down her face. John cried, "What's up! What's up!"
       
      Wendy sank against the woman beside her shaking uncontrollably. The girl instinctively put her arms around Wendy and held her close, supporting Wendy against herself.
       
      "Sushhhhh baby, you are all right!" the woman cooed, "What is worrying you? You don't have to do any of this if you are afraid."
       
      Wendy snuggled against the comforting figure, put her face against the warm, feminine neck, and nuzzled her cheek, kissing it gently. Her hand moved without command to the woman's breast, and she felt the nipple harden as she caressed it gently. The shaking was easing now, and Wendy felt a little bolder. She turned the woman's face towards her, looked into her eyes, and moved forward slowly, anticipating a gentle and subtle kiss. The tongue was not stiff and probing like a man's but gentle, enticing, and exciting. Wendy's free hand moved down to the woman's belly and softly caressed the feminine rounded shape moving slowly downwards to find that sweetly perfumed garden where a secret lotus stem was waiting to be stroked.
       
      Hands caressed breasts and pussy. Now both girls turned on to each other. John watched, fascinated. He had never seen Wendy with another woman, and his cock raged hard inside his pants. As if in a dream, Wendy pushed the girl gently onto the pool table so her bottom was on edge. She bent down, opened her legs, put them on her shoulders, and snuggled her face between them, savoring the beautiful feminine smells and tastes. Gently opening up the inner lips with her tongue, finding her clit and teasing, teasing just off the edge, making her wait for the full pleasure. Female wetness was seeping all over Wendy's face as the girl was getting nearer and nearer to release.

      A few minutes passed, and the girl pushed Wendy off, got onto the table, and said, "Get up here with me. We can pleasure each other now!"

      Wendy climbed up, the shakes all gone now. Her pussy was soaking wet, and her breasts were tender with erect nipples and very sensitive. She lifted her skirt, revealing the stockings and suspenders without anything else. The two girls turned head to toe and started a frantic licking expedition to cunt heaven.

      Wendy felt a body get up behind her and present a long stiff penis to her backside. The man tried gently to insert it in her cunt where the girl was licking hard; it slipped in and thrust a few times. The girl firmly grassed it and slid it up the crack between her buttocks, tickling her anus with the end. Wendy's whole valley was wet and slippery. The long thin cock nudged open her arse and gently snaked into her bottom.

      Wendy's heart raced again; this was what she had dreamed of for months! What surprised her was that the cock inside her was giving almost more pleasure than having her pussy sucked. The combination was too great. A massive climax took over, and she nearly fainted with joy.

      As she fell over the edge into an abyss of pleasure, the man behind speeded up, grunted, and sank deep inside her, flooding her back passage with his fluids. Wendy opened her eyes and looked up at John, who stood open-mouthed, watching her antics. He had a girl on her knees sucking his rigid cock, but his eyes were transfixed on Wendy. She smiled, blew him a kiss, and licked her lips covered in pussy juice from the girl beneath her. John shuddered and spent down the girl's throat pumping his hips in time with his spurts.

      He gently pushed the girl to one side, staggered to Wendy with his pants down by his feet, and said, "Well, you are hot; I could not believe how sexy you are. I am so proud of you; better than my wildest dreams was that fantastic to watch."

      Wendy thought to herself, "Why did I panic? This is fantastic, better than the fantasies we have. This is real sex."
       
      A couple came up to them. The man smiled. "I am Tommy. This is Raquel, my wife. We just watched you and nearly came with you. Would you join us at the table for a foursome?"
       
      Wendy reached down and felt his cock inside his pants. It was semi-hard and big. She turned to John and Raquel, "Let's get together. We can play here or in one of the smaller rooms with a nice bed?"

      They entered the room together. Wendy pushed down her long skirt and flipped off her top. She was naked except for her stockings and suspenders. Raquel slipped out of her long ball gown, revealing a very firm 36's and a sweet little tight arse on top of a pair of legs to die for. She was near perfect. Tommy was muscular with a flat hard six-pack stomach and an erection starting to grow to full size as he gently stroked himself. John was naked in a flash, only half erect after his escapade down the other girl's throat. Wendy turned to Tommy, who scooped her up in his arms and carried her over to the king-sized bed, his erect cock bouncing up and down as he stepped forward. Raquel reached out for John, smiled softly, and whispered, "Come and play with me and let me get you hard again. We will watch them while I regenerate your erection."

      John looked down at her fair perfection, those soft curves all running down into the valley between her legs. A golden pussy fuzz glinted in the soft lights. He reached for her and pulled her towards him. A first gentle kiss, lips opened up, and tongues tenderly searched each other out, exploring each other. His hands held her back, then softly slid down over her buttocks, caressing that incredible apple shape of her bottom. She pulled him harder into her body.

      As Raquel responded to the stimuli, her hand slid down to feel his penis, which was gently growing back to a man-size stiffness. Their kisses became more ardent, and deeper tongues were now demanding, not exploring. Hands moved over her body.

      John broke off the long kiss and searched her neck with his lips and tongue. She shuddered, and he felt her open her legs and move into his body. She thrust her pubis against his leg and started to move up and down. He could feel the wetness spreading along his thigh. John had now reached her breast with his lips and was attacking her nipple, which was bone hard. Raquel started to pant and squirm harder against his leg.

      Suddenly Raquel broke away and fell back onto the bed beside Tommy and Wendy's entwined bodies. Raquel reached up, and John dived onto her, gently landing without his weight on her. Raquel squirmed around so she was head-to-toe with him, with her on her back. Raquel reached up and grasped his nearly hard cock. She slipped her mouth over the head as she pulled back his tight foreskin and started to suck him to total hardness.

      John's head was between her legs. His mouth opened up her secret garden exploring the sides and little creases. He could tell her clit was begging for attention, and he made her wait. He felt careful with his tongue and could feel the hardness and swelling around her clit, which was now erect like a mini penis. His tongue explored her depths and penetrated her cunt, where he would follow with his cock shortly. Raquel was getting agitated and frustrated. She wanted attention on her clit, so John moved his tongue down the crease between her legs out of her cunt and down to her anus. As it reached the little rosebud, she shuddered and thrust her hips against his face.

      Raquel was working hard on making his cock whole again and hard enough to get inside her to ease that burning desire. She threw him over onto his back, climbed on top, grasped his penis in her hand, aimed for her inner lips, and squatted down with a satisfied sigh. John tried to thrust up against her downstrokes, and they found a comfortable rhythm that would gently build to a glorious climax.

      Tommy knelt beside John and Raquel with Wendy's legs over his shoulders, thrusting energetically into her pussy. Wendy's bottom hardly touched the bed as his cock shuttled in and out of her dripping pussy. Raquel leaned over and kissed him hard on his mouth while her fingers searched for Wendy's cunt. Wendy pushed her hand out to John, grasped his face, and pulled it over for a kiss. As the four fucked into each other's partners, the respective partners smiled and kissed each other. Raquel started to whimper like a small cat. Her eyes rolled up as she reached her first climax, and her face distorted. A moan escaped her lips. "Fuck it harder! Fuck it, my cunt is exploding. Ohhhhhhhhh!"

      Raquel collapsed in a heap on top of John. He rolled her off and crawled around to the other two. Tommy rolled Wendy off him, and she got onto all fours. John hit her from the rear straight into her cunt, deep and hard. She thrust back to meet him harder and faster. Tommy went for the face and slid his cock deep into her mouth, making her gag a little, setting a fast pace that could never last. Tommy grunted and exploded semen down her throat, pumping and pumping till he was spurting on empty. Wendy cried out and shuddered and shuddered as she lost it in a huge one. John followed a few thrusts later. With a sigh and a deep thrust, he unloaded inside Wendy.

      The three untangled themselves. John lay on his side facing Tommy, and Raquel rested against him, her head using his hips as a pillow. Tommy and Wendy took up a similar position facing them. Wendy was fascinated with Tommy's penis, which had shrunk to a little wrinkled sausage. She played with it tenderly, remembering how hard and energetic it had just been. John was exploring Raquel's inner sanctuary in a lazy, tender way.

      Raquel got up, poured four glasses of wine from a bottle on the side table, and brought them to the bed. They all sipped and chatted quietly, enjoying the aftermath of the passion. Wendy could feel a slippery liquid seeping out between her legs. She reflected on how wonderful the party had started and how much better real sex in a group was than watching and fantasizing.

      Wendy said, "John, I need to use the bathroom. I will be back shortly. Will you wait here for me?"

      "Of course, darling," he smiled and added. "Come back when you are ready!" She laughed and left the room.

      Three girls and two men burst in a few minutes later, laughing and jostling each other. "Can we use the bed or join you if you haven't finished?" one girl asked. "Sure, get on and join us," John replied with a smile.

      Each girl selected a mate and sidled up to him as bodies entwined and hands were everywhere. The scene changed from relaxed, easy caresses to hot passion. John was having trouble getting hard again so soon after the last session. One of the two guys noticed and put his head in his lap, sucking gently on his cock. The girls watched with rapt interest. John froze for a second. This had never happened before. Then he relaxed as he thought to himself Wendy does this to me all the time. I go down on her. She won't mind, so what's the problem? John laid back and started enjoying a new experience.

      Wendy walked naked through the large room towards the lady's bathroom, passing groups and couples in all types of contortions. One threesome had a man on all fours, the girl on his back legs wrapped around the guy on top as he fucked vigorously. Her head was bobbing about like a broken rag doll. The whimpers coming from her showed she was in fuck heaven. Wendy passed them and smiled. She could not believe how many different positions were being displayed.

      In the bathroom, a girl was sitting on the side where the washbasins were, legs wide open, washing out the fluids that had been pumped into her. She licked her fingers and said, "Yummy, don't you just love that salty taste? I just got too full after a big gangbang. I had eight inside me, one after the other. Some of the greedy buggers came back for seconds and thirds." Wendy asked, "How long did you do it for?" The girl said, "About an hour and a half. I am a bit sore now and need a rest to recover after coming so many times."

      Wendy left the bathroom and wandered down a corridor from the large room. She heard sounds from a room; she stopped and looked in through the open door. Nine men were around this one girl who was being fucked from behind by one with another in her mouth, and a few were by her head. She had a cock in each hand, and the others were masturbating around her. The guy in her pussy speeded up and pulled out, rubbing himself furiously. He spurted all over her bottom. Another took his place and speared her without ceremony pushing in and out of her sweet little pussy. He inserted a finger up her bottom, and she wriggled and cried out, "Fuck my arse as well!"

      The men pulled out and rolled her over. One climbed underneath. She sat on his cock and lay on his chest. Another pulled her cheeks apart, stretching her anus slightly open. He rubbed semen that had seeped from her pussy around her dark hole to ease his passage and penetrated her slowly. The other guys were in her mouth, between her breasts, anywhere they could get.

      Wendy watched the action, fascinated. This was what she had dreamed of in every fantasy. One of the guys with nowhere to fuck noticed her standing by the door and came over and said, "Join us, lovely. We would love to satisfy your desires and fuck you senseless."

      Wendy entered the room as if in a dream; her fantasy had finally come true. Three guys remained with the girl. The other six moved over to Wendy. She lay on her back, waiting for it to happen. A man's body leaned over her, his cock hard and erect, probing her face as he bent over her and probed her cunt with his tongue. She grasped that beautiful cock and sucked it to absolute hardness. Hands over her breasts, tongues in ears and around her neck, hands now everywhere. Her body had become one large erogenous zone. The tongue in her pussy was replaced with a very large cock which started slowly and stepped up as the rhythm became one for both.

      For the next hour, Wendy felt cocks in all her parts, fluids being pumped and splashed. Each orgasm she experienced lifted her higher and higher until she lapsed into oblivion and was gently laid to rest, covered in semen and a little sore from the multiple entries. One vague recollection towards the end was of two cocks inside her pussy together, stretching her and giving her a final massive orgasm. Wendy drifted on the edge of exhaustion, languishing in the euphoria of her greatest fantasy, a gangbang. She lay there with semen dripping from her pussy, running down the crease between her legs. She fingered her anus softly, rubbing in the slippery cream to ease the soreness. She felt wonderful.

      After half an hour, she got up and returned to the room where she had left John. She passed Mistral, Tim, Greg, and Susan on the way, heading upstairs. As they passed her, they smiled at her sticky legs and body, and one said, "You sure have had some fun, huh, Wendy?"

      She arrived at the room and stepped inside. John was entwined with another girl, and a guy gently probed him while the girl tried to get him hard again. Wendy watched her man and smiled to herself. "Now he knows what it feels like to be fucked up the arse. Once used to the stretching, it is yummy."

      Wendy called him, "Honey, will you shower and sauna with me? I need to clean up a bit?"

      "OK, babe, let's get showered and find where Tim and Mistral are," John replied. "They did promise us a special time together, but I haven't seen them tonight."

      Mistral took John to one side the next day at work and said, "I know you both enjoyed your first swinging party; sorry we never got together. Would you both like to join Susan, Greg, Tim, and me the weekend after next at our place for just a casual dinner and some fun?"

      "Sure, we would not miss it!" John quickly replied. Mistral said, "Greg told me he saw Wendy walking past him in stockings and suspenders. He said she has a fabulous body, her cunt dripping down her legs, and he wants to fuck her after dinner. You can have Susan and me together if you fancy. It will be a hot night!" With a wide grin, John quickly shot back, "How about six all together in the sauna then?"
       
    • By Mistral Wind
      My husband, Tim, met a new prospective client the other day, and an hour appointment went on for another three hours. Then Tim returned to the office glowing with excitement. "Hey, Mistral, the new clients want the Full Monty and more from us!"
       
      A few days later, I met Greg and Susan and found we had an immediate relationship with them both. Glen is a "go-getter" who has enormous energy and vision. He had just acquired three more companies and ran a group of four on a wide area network that needed our services. The questions flowed thick and fast at the meeting: "Can you do xxx for us? What about these services? How about getting the VPN up?" A gem of all clients had been discovered by accident through a conversation with a friend who put us together.
       
      Greg is a tall, dark, very fit 45-year-old with boundless energy and a very sharp, intelligent mind with a wacky sense of humor. Susan is a Nicole Kidman look-alike, red blonde hair, 5'2", pert small breasts with really pink nipples, and the greatest tight little butt I have ever seen. Her hair was shoulder-length curly and shone like spun red gold. Some women you meet and like from day one. We liked the same food and wine and laughed about some of her office's young, horny, and frustrated studs.
       
      Within three weeks of working almost every day with them both, a very positive relationship had started between us. I began to feel that Susan might be bi. She often sat close, and when we were going through my graphic designs, she would sometimes run her hand down my arm or touch my face gently when asking her searching questions. Her being a client, I was always careful not to respond in a sexual way just in case I had misread her. As the working days passed, the banter became more friendly and frank.
       
      After a few dinners and lunches, we were invited to their place for a relaxing weekend after getting most of the projects specified and starting to build. Their income was high, so we expected a nice place when we drove up. It was spectacular!
       
      Greg had said, "Well, it's a small mansion, built about 1795, Robert Adam style." Greg's idea of small contained seven bedrooms, a covered heated pool with a Sauna and Jacuzzi, and the garden had the cutest little Japanese Bonsai tree garden with a beautiful love seat.
       
      When we arrived Friday late afternoon, we just had time to briefly chill out with them doing "the tour." We were shown many large elegant rooms alongside some small intimate settings that would suit a pair of lovers. We met Jonathon, Greg's 21-year-old son, who had just finished University and would take a year off to explore the world. Jon is into falconry in a big way and owns three Harris Hawks: Brody, Bandit, Blackthorn, and a Peregrine Falcon called Blade. I spent an hour chatting with Jon about his birds. I quickly realized the Harris Hawks were an intelligent community-minded group that would work together to hunt their prey.
       
      Later that evening, Jon left to go to London for the weekend to be with his girl. When he left, he kissed Susan (stepmother), and to my eye, it lingered just a little too long. I raised my eyebrow, and she frankly stated, "Well, he is beautiful and half of my husband, so why not enjoy a younger version as well? Greg is pretty relaxed about it."
       
      The air took on a sexual tension that made me feel a little uneasy as we made it a policy not to play with clients, and this has an overtone that could get difficult. Susan and I chilled out before dinner with a swim in the pool and a sauna to finish off. She dropped her bikini on the floor and sat naked in front of me, completely relaxed. Her legs rested on the opposite seat, slightly open, revealing a beautiful smooth snatch. Susan caught me looking and made a show of 'accidentally' allowing her legs to open even more. Watching her outer lips peel stickily apart, I was tempted to reach out and touch but remembered Tim's words: "Don't play with clients!" Susan seemed to sense my conundrum but seemed willing to let things ride where they were...for now.
       
      Dinner passed pleasantly with a couple of bottles of red French Merlot. We all chatted intimately, getting close and closer together. Greg announced an early start as Tim was invited to hunt with Blade the Peregrine while we girls chilled out and enjoyed the morning. About midday, Greg and Tim returned empty-handed Greg said, "We are taking the hawks out. Several wild rabbits are around, which would be great for dinner tonight; grilled rabbit with bacon and garlic is yummy!"
       
      Later the "hunters" returned with three rabbits for the table and a couple for the Harris Hawks. Tim was in awe of the birds and said: "Babe, you should see them hunt together. They would make great Marines. They are intelligent, work well together, and the kills are lightning-fast. No rabbit suffered."
       
      "Time for a shower and a rest before we set up tonight," Tim suggested. So we slipped upstairs to our room and showered together. The shower was only big enough to get both inside and had a flexible pipe with a variable spray head. The naughty schoolboy in Tim surfaced, and he turned the shower onto pulse and started to work my breasts and nipples with the jet. I slid my soapy hands down onto his cock and worked it hard. Tim moved the shower between my legs, and I opened up for him. The jet started to bombard my clit. This was too much too quick, and I said, "Pack it up. That hurts."
       
      Tim settled down onto his knees and softly kissed her better. She responded quickly, and I pushed his face deeper into my crotch. The outer lips were gently opened, and his tongue probed for the inner lips teasing around my clit. I got impatient and rocked my hips into his face forcing his tongue onto my clit, demanding his attention. My legs spread apart of their own accord, and a hand crept around, caressing my bottom and making the cleft tingle with anticipation. As my pussy heated up and the waves started to build, that other hand was around my anus, caressing and probing the pink rosebud.
       
      As the first waves started to run through my body, a finger tickled and slid inside my arse. The orgasm exploding inside me was made more magnificent by the probing finger. The finger working deep in my bowel was enough to hit my "G" spot from the other passage. As I came down from the first shudders, the jet spray added its contribution, and I nearly passed out with pleasure. That brought on a multiple, and it kept coming and coming until I slumped against him.
       
      Tim dried me off, picked me up, and gently laid me on the bed. He dried himself and leaned over me. His cock was still hard. I lazily reached up, pulled him into my mouth, and sucked and sucked, working around the helmet just under the rim. He did not take long as he wanted a cum as much as the sucking. It exploded into my mouth, and I slurped it down, leaving about half on my tongue. Tim collapsed on the bed beside me, and we kissed, sharing the salty fluid he had deposited. "You minx! You are supposed to swallow that!" teased Tim. I shot back: "You know it turns you on tasting semen, so stop complaining."
       
      We both drifted into a deep sleep for a couple of hours. The house is very warm, so I put on a floaty dress and a white silk thong with a diamante glitter buckle at the back when I dressed. Tim smiled and said, "Babe, that does show off your bottom beautifully. I am enjoying their company. Susan has a great mind and body. What do you think of Greg?"
       
      Dodging his question, I asked my own. "Would you want to be inside Susan's pussy?" I asked, "Does she have fuckability?"
       
      "Oh yes, and more. But remember, this is not a swinging party; these are clients. We must be careful; a wrong move could mess things up big time."
       
      "Susan sort of hit on me in the sauna by 'accidentally' showing me her pussy," I admitted. "It's smooth and beautiful, and I could tell she was very wet."
       
      "Interesting," Tim said, "but it doesn't change the fact they are clients. Let's enjoy dinner. Come on; it must be time to go on down." I could tell, though, that my admission had hit home with Tim, and his stomach wouldn't be the only thing on his mind at dinner.
       
      The rabbit was fabulous, and we slowly munched our way through the various courses. Coffee and brandy followed, and we retreated into a smaller intimate family room with sofas, large seats, scattered cushions on the floor, and a big fireplace with a bright fire in the grate. Susan found a DVD, "Eyes Wide Shut," with Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise. Tim commented, "You look just like her, Susan."
       
      "She is a fine woman," Susan agreed. "I wish I had her bottom and her breasts. Watch the first scenes, and you get to see all of her. She is beautiful!"
       
      The film was remarkable, and we all watched it enthralled during the sex party scene in the large country house. The men in masks and long dark cloaks, women in cloaks, and other women wearing just about nothing. Couples fucking all over the furniture, and one girl was being done resting on the back of another man. A girl in the corner was being fucked doggy on a coffee table. I started to get wet. The film was deep, and the sex was great, although never construed as a porn film, much too delicate for that category. My pussy was alive, so I couldn't wait to get Tim back upstairs later. The movie finished, and Susan said, "That was the hot scene at the party. Wouldn't you love to join in and be one of them!"
       
      A careful silence was followed by Tim and me, which gained the retort from Susan. "You are swingers, aren't you? Otherwise, you would have said something about not sharing your wife!" I giggled, and Tim finally uncomfortably said: "Well, it takes all kinds of people with different attitudes to sex to make the world go around."
       
      Susan got up and walked out of the room. After a few minutes, she returned with a small basket of condoms and a collection of exciting toys. Susan smiled at me and said, "Mistral, let's give the boys a show. Then I will fuck Tim to a standstill as long as you are OK about it and want Greg!"
       
      "OK. I want to fuck Greg as much as he wants me. Same for you and Tim," was my husky reply. Suddenly, all the rules had gone out the window. Susan smiled and shrugged off her long dress, sliding it down to the floor, and she had nothing underneath. I got up and selected a toy from the basket, a rabbit dildo. I stepped out of my dress and knelt in front of Susan. She opened up her legs, and I switched on the vibrator, slid a finger inside a very wet slippery pussy, and pressed the toy to her clit.
       
      "My, we have been thinking rude thoughts this evening, hmmm?" I chided her. Susan said, "Well, the DVD certainly opened up the conversation. I tried to interest you in the sauna, and I saw the fuck-me look in your eyes but then got ignored. How come?"
       
      I ignored the question. "Get on the cushions. I want to open you right up and explore," I commanded. I worked slowly down Susan's body, tonguing every crevice. At the same time, the vibrator was held against her pussy without really trying to get inside. She rolled over onto her back, pulled me on top, slid off my thong, and peeled apart the lips of a very wet Mistral pussy. She arched her back to get her head between my legs, then slowly worked her tongue around my clit, just missing the most sensitive part: teasing, teasing! My head was between her legs sucking hard on her cunt, the vibrator discarded alongside us.
       
      Susan tasted and smelt divine, a cunt to die for, and we gently and slowly worked each other to a beautiful girly climax. I slid her clit between my lips and sucked gently, giving it all the attention it could take. Her bottom started to thrash about, and a muffled cry came from her as she exploded and released a dribble of pussy juice onto my face. Strong hands lifted us apart, and Greg sat me down on his lap, legs facing him. He kissed me gently, opened my mouth with his tongue, and started to probe my soul with his penetrating tongue. When those two had shed their clothes, I don't know!
       
      What I wanted was getting harder under my thigh and starting to poke up between my legs. My hand reached down and stroked the elegant cock, trying so hard to get inside me. Greg put on a condom and was ready for me. A thrust up then down onto it, and he was inside. I could not wait and would not wait. My hips thrust madly at him, exploring his cock and filling myself with pleasure. It must have only taken me 30 seconds to hit the first orgasm, and Greg was getting faster and faster until he exploded.
       
      We kissed and looked over at Tim and Susan. They were in a 69 with Susan sucking Tim hard and working her two fingers inside his anus. His balls tightened, and he emptied himself inside her mouth. She got up, came over, and kissed me deeply, sharing the contents of her mouth with me. Susan returned to Tim and started gently sucking him back to hardness again. Greg was working my bottom with his tongue, firm strokes working into the most private and sensitive area a woman has. I pulled him up and kissed him deeply, and again he shared the semen from Susan's mouth.
       
      Greg smiled and said, "OK, we all shared Tim. Would he enjoy sucking me?" I was a little unsure how Tim would react. Susan said, "He can't talk right now since his mouth is full of my pussy."
       
      Greg lifted me off him and walked over to the other two, kissed Susan, and then leaned over and lightly bit Tim's nipple, who, for a straight guy, relaxed and did nothing. Greg slowly worked down his body and started to get near his groin. Susan got up and thrust her pussy back into his face. Tim hungrily lapped at her while Greg took Tim's cock into his mouth.
       
      Tim started to push his hips at Greg, who was working the sensitive spots on his cock with expert reverence. I had never seen Tim with a man before, and it fascinated me to see how he responded to a man's attention. Tim gently pulled Greg around so they were 69 together and opened his mouth to get Greg's cock down his throat.
       
      Susan had slid behind me and worked one of the toys into my pussy. A little finger was up my arse, and the big rabbit worked magic inside me. I watched, fascinated, while the two men ground their cocks into each other's mouths, sucking and mouth fucking together. I could reach Greg's anus from where I was crouching, and I slid a finger inside, feeling for his prostate. I found the firm nut I was after and massaged it, bringing him to a rapid spunk explosion. When he started, I worked the prostate harder, milking the orgasm to its absolute. Tim was greedily swallowing all that Greg could deliver. Tim's hips began to shudder as he succumbed to Greg's tongue and spurted his load down his throat.
       
      The guys then got up and came over and kissed us. Greg pushed a quantity of spunk down my throat while Tim probed Susan's mouth. For the rest of the night, we moved upstairs to a large bedroom with a king-sized double that could sleep six without trouble. We swapped, we fucked, we cuddled and rested, then swapped, fucked, and cuddled some more, eventually falling asleep around 5 a.m.
       
      I awoke around 7:00, needing a drink. As no one else was around, I walked naked downstairs to get some orange juice. Halfway down the stairs, Jon appeared with a smile and a naked girlfriend beside him. "Hello, we returned late last night and realized you guys were having fun."
       
      Penny, Jon's girlfriend, said, "Come into this room. We had a camera in the large bedroom and watched you all together. What a turn-on!"
       
      I followed them in with dread, not knowing what to expect. Jon said, "Don't look so worried. We enjoyed the performance and wanted to share some of it with you."
       
      As I looked at the display, the threesome on the screen was waking up, and Susan was fondling both men. Penny said, "I often watch Greg and Susan's swinging parties here, and we fuck like bunnies while we watch. I enjoyed a threesome with Jon and his stepmother. What was Greg like? I haven't had him yet?" I just stood there, mouth open in shock, unable to speak.
       
      Jon pushed me gently onto the bed and started caressing my body while Penny approached the other side. Jon gently sucked my nipples while Penny's tongue delicately explored my womanhood. "We want to fuck you properly, Mistral, but I know your pussy must be sore from last night, so we'll stick with our tongues this time, OK?"
       
      After a few minutes of light sex, Penny said, "We better slip away quietly as we are not supposed to be here. Are you two coming to next weekend's party?" The feeling of this beautiful young feminine creature's tongue still fresh on my mind, I shot back, "You bet. If we are invited."
       
      "Oh, I expect you shall be," Penny smiled. She gazed into my eyes, dropped her hand between her legs, and worked a finger deep into herself. "Until next time...," she said, trailing her finger, wet with her secretions and Jon's cum, stickily across my cheek before resting it on my lips. An invitation which I readily obliged by opening my mouth. Her long finger worked around my tongue, gifting me the taste of her and her lover.
       
      I slipped upstairs and joined the frolicking three on the bed for more and more of what my body desired. Eventually, we fell asleep again and woke around 3 p.m. feeling completely satisfied and sexually drained. A shower and a good cleanup refreshed my body and spirit. Tim and I were due to leave soon, and Susan came to me and said, "You must come to our next weekend party. Please say yes. If you like, bring some friends that will enjoy what you two have this weekend. There is so much more I want to do with you and Tim. We have had a fantastic time."

      On the way home, Tim said solemnly: "You realize that the weekend could have gone dreadfully wrong if it was a trap. We were caught out, well nearly!"

      The following weekend swinger party is another edition of this story…
    • By NerdsAreFun
      Some stats on the swinging world.  Interesting that a slim majority (50.2%) of men now identify as bi.  65.8% in the 18-39 age group.  I think the days of that being a closeted thing in the swinger world are coming to an end.  Also surprised me that 80.5% were soft swap only.
      https://swingershelp.com/swinger-survey-results-2022/
       
       
      And they also provide a list of most popular swinging sites in various cities.
      https://swingershelp.com/popular-swinging-dating-sites/
    • By Erotics
      I'm as straight as an arrow and never even looked at another man in a sexual way. We play as a couple and have had regular 3somes (mfm) which she thoroughly enjoy. The focus is always on her, giving her pleasure and making sure she is having fun.
       
      Recently we were in a 3some with this gent and while we were playing (foreplay) he asked me whether I have ever been touched by or touch another man myself. The answer was no.
       
      He then dared me to touch him, which I then proceeded to do. Funny enough, it was not so weird as I thought it would be and although it felt strange, at the same time it felt familiar.
       
      I then proceeded to keep his dick in my hand and point it towards her mouth while she was blowing him. He did the same with me while she was blowing me later.
       
      Suddenly it was not strange anymore and I even guided his cock into her pussy later on. It all felt so natural in the situation. Fun was had by all 3 of us and it did not gross me out or even the wife.
       
      We (me and wife) had a discussion afterwards and she said she found it actually very kinky and she would like to see me in a male-male experience. Ever since it has been playing in my head and I don't know what to think.
       
      Touching is one thing, but actually going down on someone is something totally different (or is it not?)
       
      Although I still don't look at men in a sexual way, I found myself thinking about this a lot. A part of me says don't do it, you don't find men sexually attractive, but a part of my tell me to not to knock it and try it at least once and then make up my mind.
       
      The wife said that she became bisexual by also experimenting and only later become attracted to females as she became accustomed to the situation.
       
      Do you think I should proceed and experiment?
       
      I don't think I have the guts to take a cock in my mouth and suck it, but a part of me tells me I have the guts and should go ahead. I know it would be big visual turn-on for the wife and I would do anything to turn her on...just not sure about sucking a cock to turn her on. LOL
       
      To be honest, I'm very nervous.
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