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More and more of the clubs are moving to a computerized system. But even before they did that, many clubs require that you put your DL# on your membership form. Now that more clubs are going computerized not only is your DL# on a piece of paper somewhere it is in their system files.

 

The last time we visited Menages we found out that they have now moved to this system. We had to renew all our paperwork and added to that is they now use the last four digits of the male's SS# as your member number (no more membership cards just give them your digits at the door).

 

How do you feel about knowing that your info is on file?

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I would not go along with them keeping my personal information on file mainly because most people do not know how to properly secure a computer so that others can not access your information.

 

I am not concerned about a raid by the government getting the information but I would worry about others that would have other use for that information.

 

Too many people want to use simple and cheap methods to secure computers and it is to easy to get into them in today's world.

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I really don't like it, but I thing it is likely going to be the norm. One of our local clubs recently came to the attention of the local authorities. In the process of helping the club owners through this I have become aware of the work done by the legal profession nation wide to close swingers clubs. what I found out is that the ploy of calling entrance fees "donations" doesn't stand up at all in court. The only thing that might have a chance is if you set up the club as a private membership club. While all the limitations of that would make a book, (the legal brief I obtained on the subject is 39 pages long, if I remember right) one of the requirements to qualify as a "private membership club" is the surprisingly detailed information required to be kept about members. So, I suspect you will be seeing a lot more of this at clubs in the future.

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We have never had anything copied so far. That's new to us. They always just looked at ours and looked at us before. Like at a regular bar or liquor store.

 

I'll have to reconsider this, and think about it a while.

 

Ya know, I'm thinking I don't like that at all.

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Our alarm bells go off at any commercial entity that wants to collect and retain personal information in order to patronize them; unless there is what we consider an apparent need we decline. And if they insist on having it without having such a need - no problem... we take that to mean that they don't want our business.

 

Some examples of what we would consider 'apparent need' would be applying for a job or applying for credit. If we are asking someone to trust us to do a job for them or pay back 50 or 60 thousand dollars, we can understand them wanting a bit more than our word. But there's absolutely no reason Home Depot needs my phone number in order to accept $2 for a box of nails.

 

Other than a.) they have no valid need for it and b.) it's really none of their business, as has been mentioned, most places have incredibly poor data security. Add to that the fact that clubs tend to have a fairly high turnover rate in employees and the risk factor grows.

 

Probably one of the few desires that is shared by just about everyone in the Lifestyle is that of discretion... and now clubs want information that will not only allow someone to potentially 'know your biz', but that could also easily fall into the hands of identity thieves.

 

Interesting concept. :rollseye:

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I really don't like it, but I thing it is likely going to be the norm. One of our local clubs recently came to the attention of the local authorities. In the process of helping the club owners through this I have become aware of the work done by the legal profession nation wide to close swingers clubs. what I found out is that the ploy of calling entrance fees "donations" doesn't stand up at all in court. The only thing that might have a chance is if you set up the club as a private membership club. While all the limitations of that would make a book, (the legal brief I obtained on the subject is 39 pages long, if I remember right) one of the requirements to qualify as a "private membership club" is the surprisingly detailed information required to be kept about members. So, I suspect you will be seeing a lot more of this at clubs in the future.

 

Those are very good points GT. I don't know what all requirements there are to be considered a private membership club but now that you mention I would imagine they would be lengthy and would include a complete accounting of said members.

 

For the record they did not copy the DL, they just took the #, it was just one of the many pieces of information required in the membership application.

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GT speaks with a straight tongue...

 

Without getting into all the intricacies , "Private" Club Memberships are a way around the B.S. That being said, it's all about how much you faith you have in the folks running the gig.

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I am sure this varies state to state.

 

Now, this is what I can tell you about the rules here in VA as I understand it:

 

The clubs here are generally off-premises. I am not aware of an on-premises club in the state. There could be one, I just don't know about it if there is.

So, what follows is the off-premises rules:

 

The way to qualify for an ABC (alcohol) license is to submit a request for a single use "banquet" license. Private clubs are allowed to do this.

One of the requirements to obtain the license is to have every member's name, address, age, etc. on file. You don't have to turn it in, but they can request to see the list for verification purposes. The club we regularly attend maintains this file, but I believe they only keep hard copies, just because of the privacy factor involved.

I don't think a license number is required, but a valid ID must be checked and verified by the host/hostess. I could be wrong about this though. It's been a while.

 

Oh, and to drift slightly off topic, if you serve alcohol in VA, then there can be no nudity (I know, bummer dude).

 

Virginia is pretty tight on this stuff. If we cross the border into NC, it's a lot more lax in some ways.

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This sort of thing has become the norm because people go along with it and don't speak up.

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Just be aware that when it cums to keeping your lifestyle private at the Socials, private clubs and other published parties there is no personal privacy. "People" who want to know who attends hotel socials, cruises, get-away-parties acquire the information and may or may not find a reason to use that information in another forum...as soon as you register at the door or at the desk your information will be shared with "whomever" demands of the hotel or cruise or club owner(s)..."whomever" usually applies to people who either have the legal power or resources to "troll" for person(s) who can then be levered to whatever purpose that pertains to that person(s)...it happens without any general awareness except to the person(s) affected.

 

So when you sign up with your D/L or credit card or SSN you become a "public" swinger. The private clubs are NOT private now, so hold on to your already developed buddies they will become more precious than ever now.

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This is an issue with nearly clubs of all type now days. Even our favorite bars and night clubs have started using the PDF417 type of barcoding used on the backs of our drivers licenses here in Utah. All the information on the front is included in the PDF417 barcode. And like Lee says, most night clubs and bars don't have the security software necessary to adequately protect that data. Hell, I've seen the door person at nightclubs leave the last patron's profile up on the monitor, and many people can get a good look at all that information.

 

How to change it though? I don't know, other than just don't go out anywhere.

 

Mr. WS

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The last time we visited Menages we found out that they have now moved to this system. We had to renew all our paperwork and added to that is they now use the last four digits of the male's SS# as your member number (no more membership cards just give them your digits at the door).

 

We weren't thrilled with it, but something along those lines seems to be a common thing in all facets of life now.

 

How to change it though? I don't know, other than just don't go out anywhere.

 

I don't think there is any going back at this point. Enough people accept it, at least grudgingly, I can't see it ever changing. I see it as a calculated risk and one of those things that if someone wants to try hard enough, they'll get you no matter what. I always figure there is safety in numbers too, the more that are on the list, the lower the chances you yourself could get screwed.

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Have not intro myself as of yet. But this thread really sparked my interest!! Due to my driving record I will not get my license back for 8mos. Giving my SS number on a job application is something I will not do until I have been offered the position. Not sexually speaking HERE!! As most have said the security personal info is important. As it is said in the LS is (DISCRETION). Nice reading here will work on intro!!! Met some nice people from SLS TOO!!

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This is a problem that many who attempt to open a club are clueless about. Now my comments refer only to private, members only, BYOB clubs

 

So, here we go....

 

Swingers club go the private BYOB route as that is the best and safest way to offer a venue for swingers as most laws do not cover them.... yet!

 

When you have a liquor license you are indeed a public venue no mater how much you claim to be private. And as such you give up many rights, one of those is the ability to allow swingers to behave like swingers, go topless, erotic dancing, touching, petting and sexual activities. When you're private and BYOB you can claim the privacy route and prohibit law enforcement to enter (legally) although they will do whatever the hell they want to. You will have protection of the law after the fact.

 

By having a membership club you will institute certain formalities that will uphold your status as a private club. Foremost is the one on the membership form that states that you will not be offended by displays of sexual activity and nudity. In Texas at least, check your local laws, that will negate any legal action that could possibly be brought up against the club as long as you can verify that the persons who signed your legal documents (membership form) are who they say they are. In other words, when an undercover couple comes into your club ( and they will) they cannot claim to be offended if they signed the documents and you have a copy of their id on file.

 

As far as keeping those files private and out of the hands of the government there is a US Supreme court decision (NAACP v State of Alabama) that upheld the right of private associations to privacy and that the government has no business or authority to have access to membership lists.

 

I hope you understand this confusing post but the bottom line is this... If you attend a club that allows nude displays or sexual activities (on premise) and they do not require your legal names and id's you are at risk of being arrested for public lewd displays. Of course the laws in your state may vary but most are similar. In Texas the laws state:

 

§ 21.07. PUBLIC LEWDNESS. (a) A person commits an

offense if he knowingly engages in any of the following acts in a

public place or, if not in a public place, he is reckless about

whether another is present who will be offended or alarmed by his:

(1) act of sexual intercourse;

(2) act of deviate sexual intercourse;

(3) act of sexual contact; or

(4) act involving contact between the person's mouth

or genitals and the anus or genitals of an animal or fowl.

(b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

 

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.

Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,

1994.

 

 

§ 21.08. INDECENT EXPOSURE. (a) A person commits an

offense if he exposes his anus or any part of his genitals with

intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person, and he

is reckless about whether another is present who will be offended or

alarmed by his act.

(b) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.

 

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.

Amended by Acts 1983, 68th Leg., p. 509, ch. 924, § 1, eff. Sept.

1, 1983; Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,

1994.

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L and I are very concerned about the proliferation of places wanting information we'd prefer to keep confidential. In some cases, we refuse it.

 

HOWEVER, we recognize the precarious position club owners are in, and we want to be supportive. We have allowed our DL's to be photocopied at some clubs. We don't like it, but without doing so, we can't get in to play.

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Exactly! Let me provide a recent example that will illustrate what happens when the club requires membership forms and copies of valid Govt issued id's on couples that want to attend your party.

 

A few months ago two news reporters with the local ABC affiliate presented themselves as a couple for membership at our club. They were required to fill out all the personal information on our membership, sign same and produce photo id's for us to copy and attach to their membership form. Our membership form is quite extensive and covers some predetermined civil liabilities for those that violate our agreement.

 

Now this couple came in, several times, checked out all areas of the club, including the large European style playroom, although they would not disrobe to go into the actual play area ( a valid reason for having a European Style Playroom), and gathered a lot of information. Apparently they wisely decided not to bring in cameras or did not use any pictures they took clandestinely as that would violate the terms of our agreement and cause a predetermined civil liability to kick in making us very rich in the process. As a matter of fact, their attorneys may have informed them that they could not use any of the information they obtained as it would cause a financial hardship that would not be worth it to them to air any story about us at all.

 

So, what they did instead was to call the Vice department with the local police and file a complaint about lewd behavior. Apparently they were thinking the police would conduct a raid inviting their reporters and cameras along for the party. Well, that didn't happen either as the police stopped by during the week when nothing was going on, asked to come in which we gladly offered to do and showed them around. Once they saw our membership application, id requirement business licenses as a private social club, etc., they said nothing illegal going on here and signed off on same. Case closed!

 

Now, if we did not require id's, personal info, etc. we would've been all over the nightly news and on the front page of the local paper. So, if your club does not require these things, ask them why not! As nobody wants to see their club, much less themselves on the evening news...

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Tom & Bonnie said:

I hope you understand this confusing post but the bottom line is this... If you attend a club that allows nude displays or sexual activities (on premise) and they do not require your legal names and id's you are at risk of being arrested for public lewd displays. Of course the laws in your state may vary but most are similar. In Texas the laws state:

 

Just to be clear it's not just a matter of seeing your ID and verifying it, or copying down a DL# but they need to actually have a photocopy of said ID on file. Correct?

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As we were told to expect, the last club we attended asked for our drivers licenses.

 

It's a good thing we had fakes.

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As we were told to expect, the last club we attended asked for our drivers licenses.

 

It's a good thing we had fakes.

 

Yep, it's always a good idea to commit a crime and put someone else's business at risk to get your jollies. Great advice! :surrend:

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Just to be clear it's not just a matter of seeing your ID and verifying it, or copying down a DL# but they need to actually have a photocopy of said ID on file. Correct?

 

 

Julie, That would be correct!

 

If the cops are coming into your facility to check you out you can expect that they will be using fake id's and names. However, their pictures will be of themselves so if you have an actual photocopy of the license the presented they cannot make a complaint against you and you can show that they intended to defraud you and your membership policies.

 

It really is a sad state of affairs that our police are the ones committing crimes in order to try and catch someone else....

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Thanks for the insightful info Tom and Bonnie.

 

But I can't let this one go...

 

Tom & Bonnie said:
It really is a sad state of affairs that our police are the ones committing crimes in order to try and catch someone else....

 

I'm not in law enforcement, but I have a hell of a lot of respect for most of those that are. But in your case, it was the effin media that instigated the whole plan and filed the complaint :mad: Sounds like the local police were just doing their jobs and doing them well.

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VegasLee said:
Yep, it's always a good idea to commit a crime and put someone else's business at risk to get your jollies. Great advice! :surrend:

 

FWIW, the "risk" was entirely mine. There wasn't any attempt to use the ID's to deceive any member of law enforcement or to contravene any law, or to defraud the club owners. Their business was not "at risk" as we were both of legal age and standing to be on the premises.

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WildMiCouple said:
Thanks for the insightful info Tom and Bonnie.

 

But I can't let this one go....

 

I'm not in law enforcement, but I have a hell of a lot of respect for most of those that are. But in your case, it was the effin media that instigated the whole plan and filed the complaint :mad: Sounds like the local police were just doing their jobs and doing them well.

 

Oh this time they did. But 8 years ago it was the cops. Two undercovers came in, produced fake id, tried to blend in, ended up getting a little hammered themselves but really couldn't produce anything to stick us with. So the next night two plain clothes detectives came to the door, tried to barge their way in without so much as a warrant, nor did they identify themselves as police, just tried to brush past me. And when I blocked the door way they attacked me, handcuffed me and charged me with assault. Took me downtown and locked me up for the rest of the night in jail.

 

The reason for being there? They said they were investigating a complaint. I asked for a copy of it and they said they didn't have one. Long story short, charges were dropped after we produced a video of the cops attacking me, not me assaulting them. So many lies in their report!

 

I have a lot of good friends that are Police that do the right thing, but there are still some rogues out there that will break the law and lie about it to harass and make their point.

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Tom & Bonnie said:
I have a lot of good friends that are Police that do the right thing, but there are still some rogues out there that will break the law and lie about it to harass and make their point.

 

What an ordeal. I can certainly understand your attitude now. I always knew it was more enjoyable to attend a club vs owning it ;)

 

Keep up the fight :kissface:

 

Brett

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"And when I blocked the door way they attacked me".

 

Must be an interesting video. Tom is not a frail man.

 

We have not visited since the move. (That long??) Would you please describe (define) the "European Playroom" part?

 

Thanks!

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I once worked as the doorman at an adult establishment that required the photocopying of DL for proof of age. It's surprising how many rights an individual has concerning his or her personal information and how it is used or shared after you give it to someone. If any information had been shared illegally (without the consent of the owner) or without legal collection methods (court orders) any one affected could and would have filed a defamation suit that would have left them in ownership of an adult establishment. As long as the information you give is stated specifically for the proof of membership, it should not be used for any other use.

 

The laws are funny two-edged swords, the more you know about them the more capable you will be to protect yourself.

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"And when I blocked the door way they attacked me". Must be an interesting video. Tom is not a frail man.

 

We have not visited since the move. (That long??) Would you please describe (define) the "European Playroom" part?

 

Thanks!

 

Sorry, that i missed your post...

 

European Style means simply that one must be disrobed before entering the actual play areas. Upon entering our Green Door Lounge you come first to a locker room. Here an attendant will offer you a towel and a locker for your belongings. You must disrobe and stow your belongings before heading back to the play area. We allow members to go nude, wear a towel or bring a robe/lingerie from home. We do not allow anyone to wear street clothes of any kind.

 

Several reasons for that... First it cuts down on the amount of traffic flowing through the playroom. If everyone was allowed back there with clothes on there would be so many people standing around looking those that wanted to play could not get back there. Second, it's hard to hide a camera when your naked! Everyone wants to make a memory of their experience and with the proliferation of camera phones we're very concerned about the privacy and discretion of our members.

 

We also do not allow, smoking, drinks, food or gum in the back. We have a water cooler, condoms & lube provided gratis. We will also remove members if they start talking loudly or otherwise bothering those of us who can't maintain an erection with all the distractions going on! LOL

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notaswingeryet said:

The laws are funny two-edged swords, the more you know about them the more capable you will be to protect yourself.

 

Truer words have never been spoken my friend! It's a shame that more people don't take the time to enlighten themselves.

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SS number are for IRS used only and don't need to be given to anyone but your employer and the IRS. Now if you don't want to to give your SS number to your employer then you can give your Tax ID number to your employer. Your tax ID number is not the same as your SS number. As far as your DL number that number is for official used only and club used is not an official office of the state. No I will not give just anyone this information and if required then I will stop going to swingers clubs. That will be going way too far and there is NO reason why a club should have this information.

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SS number are for IRS used only and don't need to be given to anyone but your employer and the IRS. Now if you don't want to to give your SS number to your employer then you can give your Tax ID number to your employer. Your tax ID number is not the same as your SS number. As far as your DL number that number is for official used only and club used is not an official office of the state. No I will not give just anyone this information and if required then I will stop going to swingers clubs. That will be going way too far and there is NO reason why a club should have this information.

 

SS numbers are required by banks, investment firm, and many others try getting a loan or credit card with out giving your number. Also an individual's Tax ID is his SS#. Tax Id's for business are Employer IDs, and wages must be reported to Social Security (who shares this information with IRS) by employers using SS#s. As all W2 reports are matched to names on file with social security.

 

Hate for there to be bad information out there.

 

Steven J Weil, PhD, EA

Naked Accounting

 

P.S. We would never go to a club or event that the Owner's / Producers did not make sure that everyone attending was of legal age and had a valid consent to the activities. Even better when it provides penalties for others that share information they should not. Thanks Tom & Bonnie for going to such great length to protect your members and those that attend your club.

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I use my tax ID on all my stuff including my mortgage and banks accounts, My employer has my SS number for IRS and Social Security reasons. As far as my mortgage on my home they wanted my SS number and told me that my Home loan would not go through without it, I gave them my tax ID and fought them over it for about 6 months. I got my home loan and they got my tax ID number. No one gets my SS number for any reason. Do a little more research and you can get the right information.

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I didn't read through the entirety of this thread, however, I would like to point out that today's technology allows for the "checker" (doorman, bouncer, whatever) to "look" at the license by placing it at a certain spot on the table in front of him, where a camera has been focused in with zoom capabilities, and a digital image of the license recorded direct to DVR.

 

Just sayin'

 

So, if there is a pattern of someone taking a DL, placing it a certain spot (or area) then this likelihood exists.

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      I stayed back a couple of minutes to give them some time to get to know each other. When I did finally get to the other room, they had already undressed and she was sucking his cock. It was larger than mine. Not much longer, but thicker. I could tell she liked it.
       
      My wife had picked a room where people would be able to watch if they wanted to. I stayed back in the wings and was kind of hidden so she really didn’t know I was even there.  As I watched my wife in action, I could tell she was enjoying every second of this guy’s cock. She was sucking it like there was no tomorrow.
       
      Now it was his turn to return the favor. He got his face down to her pussy and started licking like it was candy. She was turning red and I could tell she was already about to cum. She was squirming and shaking and he was getting her cunt all ready for his big shaft. But before he fucked her, he now spread her legs out and started fingering her pussy to the point that she started squirting fluids all over the sheet they were laying on. It was like the flood gates had opened up and all the juices were flowing.
       
      She finally had all she could take because I’m sure she had cum multiple times already and I could tell she just wanted to have him inside her. I heard her say to give me your big, black cock. He asked her if she wanted him to put on a condom and she told him no, she wanted to feel him inside her cunt.
       
      He took her and spread her legs wide and slowly inserted his bbc into her tight cunt. She told him to go slowly because she said it was so big that she needed to get used to it. After several minutes of the slow movement, she said she needed him to fuck her harder so he started to go full penetration into her dripping wet cunt. She was telling him how good his cock felt, and how she loved fucking him.
       
      They switched positions multiple times with her sitting on top of his cock and riding him like she has never ridden before. My wife took his whole cock inside of her as deeply as she could, rubbing back and forth and cumming time and time again.
       
      They finally switched back to missionary style and were fucking hard when I heard her say to him, she wanted him to cum in her pussy. She said she wanted to feel his cum drip out of her pussy all night long. When he heard her say that, he started to pick up the pace and finally started moaning and said he was about to cum. My wife was now cumming herself and as he shot his load inside of her, she started squirming and shaking with every pulse of his exploding cock. Her body was red from all of her orgasms, and I could tell she was getting worn out. They had gone for almost 40 minutes of nonstop action. Not to mention that all the other people that had gathered around to watch started going to other parts of the place as they had gotten a show that they would remember forever.
       
      When he pulled his now soft cock out of my wife, I could see the cum dripping down her ass. She was getting what she wanted, I guess. She would be able to feel his cum dripping out of her the rest of the night. But I didn’t realize that she was not done yet. She wanted more. My wife took his cock and started sucking on it again. I guess he was young enough that almost instantly he got hard and she took his cock and guided it into her cunt and said she needed more of his cum. He fucked her for another 10 minutes until he exploded with more cum inside my wife’s pussy again. Again, as I watched the cum drip down her ass, she was getting what she wanted. She was going to feel this the rest of the night.
       
      They both started cleaning up a little and I slowly came out of the crowd that had gathered. She saw me and gave me that dirty little smile she sometimes gets. My wife asked me if I had enjoyed her show. She said she needed to have a little more cum in her pussy tonight and she now wanted mine. Her new little friend just kind of sat back in the corner and decided to watch us.
       
      I knew I wouldn’t last long because I had almost cum multiple times just watching her. With some of the crowd still watching I got undressed, and slid my wet with pre-cum cock into my wife’s cum-loaded pussy. I fucked her until she started cumming. Her cunt convulsed so hard that it squeezed my cock and made me start to cum. I came in her pussy, mixing my cum with my wife’s new fuck buddies cum. I pulled my cock out and watched it all slowly slide down her ass. She got up and went over to our young fuck buddy and she gave him a long passionate kiss and said thank you for such a great time. He gave her one last little finger fucking and handed her a card of his if we were ever in the area again.
       
      He left after he got dressed and we got cleaned up and went out to the main room. I had multiple people including women and even the bartender say that my wife was one of the women they would like to fuck if they ever got a chance after seeing her in action. I guess I’m the lucky one here.
       
      Later that night when we were driving to our resort, she slipped her hand down pants and put her fingers in her pussy. She brought them out and rubbed them on my face. She smiled and said we gotta do this again sometime as we pulled into the parking lot to call it a night.
       
      And what a night it was.
    • By SPaige24
      My husband and I have been together for almost 10 years. I have always been bi- curious, but kept it as secret until the last month. Little did I know that he had a small feeling (thanks to a few drunk nights with my friend). Our marriage is very strong, and we are very opened with each other. I told him that I wanted to have a have sexual encounter with another female. He is on board, and we even talked about a MFM threesome as well.
       
      Here is my issue... How do I find someone? That friend is no longer a friend, I can't do dating apps because of my job, and I personally don't want someone we know. I have looked into Swinger Clubs, and I realize that finding a bisexual/lesbian female who is single is hard. We are opened to a couple if need be. I just want my husband there and or involved.
       
      My question is... What is it like going to a swingers club? Will there be people our age (27-30), are "predators" real, and how do I find a club? We are located in Washington, PA.
    • By AdamGunn2
      It was a fairly typical night at D.J.s Island, an early autumn evening. Mary and I hadn’t set anything up in advance, we’d decided to go almost at the last moment. From the second we entered the door our radar was beaming across the club, searching for a couple that might be searching for what we were also interested in - an enjoyable tryst.
       
      Mary took a few minutes to change into what she called a ‘trolling outfit.’ As I remember, that night it was a black babydoll with a loose bodice, thong, low heels. Many men admired her legs as I checked the forty or so women, many as scantily clad as my wife. None of our regular playmates seemed to be in attendance that evening, but we had our customs, we weren’t concerned. Perhaps an hour and a half later, I sat at a table next to the dance floor, Mary was on her feet, on the parquet, moving her body, seeing if anyone would move in. A slow sequence of men approached her, danced with her. Some would take liberties such as moving their hands under her garment, feeling the small of her back, perhaps place their palm on the roundness of her ass.
       
      I’d seen this many times before, I waited for one of two reactions.
       
      The first was that she’d spin away from the man; it signified she wasn’t interested in what he had to offer.
       
      The second was that she’d get closer, I’d watch her whisper in his ear. I knew the question, “Where’s your wife?” Some of them would shake their heads, they were attending as one of the few single men the club allowed, and when they received Mary’s response, they’d move away - that’s not what we were looking for at the moment.
       
      But the man might indicate where his wife was dancing a few feet away. When this kind of thing happened, Mary would glance to me and give our special signal - she’d put one hand on the back of her head, one on her stomach. When I got the cue, I’d come out, we’d dance as a foursome.
       
      As I approached, a man grasped the elbow of a tall attractive lady who was more modestly dressed, at least for the club. There was no conversation on the dance floor, the heavy volume of music and the thumping of the bass wouldn’t allow for speech. But I could tell the woman was interested in me, the four of us paired off and I often found myself facing this vixen. It was obvious they were as interested in us as I was in them, I could tell by the way Mary was rubbing against the man that she felt the same.
       
      After a couple of songs, Mary led the way off the floor, holding his hand, leading us off into a corner away from the speakers. As we sat, the man said, “I’m Ed, this is my wife, Marilyn.”
       
      Marilyn and I softly shook hands, I believe she raised the hem of her skirt to give me a view of her upper thighs. Ed had no problem seeing Mary’s legs, or where they met - she was sitting so that the babydoll was gathered to her side, leaning forward so her globes were exposed to his view.
       
      “Do you come here often?” Ed asked.
       
      “Every few weeks,” I responded, “you?”
       
      “This is our first time here.” Mary gave him a look that asked for further info. “We’re just starting this,” he admitted.
       
      Marilyn picked it up. “We’ve only had one time with a couple of friends. We liked it, heard about this place, decided to see if we could get into more trouble.”
       
      “Trouble’s our middle name,” I joked.
       
      Our conversation continued, where do you live, what movies have you seen lately, etc. It was a screen, of course, we were all calculating if the four of us would be pleasurable bedmates. I paid my attention to Marilyn, my wife had told me numerous times not to worry about her, she can take care of herself. My hand found Marilyn’s knee, she smiled at me, encouraged me to reach a tad higher. We bent towards each other, our mouths met.
       
      Marilyn opened her lips to me, the kiss was ardent, her mouth moist. She licked at my upper lip, her hand fondled the back of my neck. Our tongues clashed, promising cupidity, mimicking what I presumed our bodies might be doing in a few scant moments.
       
      We broke for a moment, Marilyn invited, “Would you guys want to go to one of the rooms?”
       
      I, of course, was all for it, but then I heard Mary. “Uh, not right now. But thanks.”
       
      We’ve always had the guideline that if one person doesn’t want to do something, she speaks for both of us. Regretfully, I pecked at Marilyn’s lips a last time, we stood, went separate ways.
       
      “You’re not upset, are you?” Mary asked me.
       
      “Of course not, not at all. You’re not in the mood?”
       
      “Oh, I’m in the mood all right, just not with Ed.”
       
      “Something wrong with him?” I asked.
       
      “I tried to get him interested,” Mary revealed, “but his kiss was a little cold, indifferent. I put my hand on his leg, he was too busy watching you and Marilyn, he never responded. My guess is that if we went into a room, he’d be watching you two, I’m not even sure he’d get hard for me.” It was a reasonable thought, it had happened to us a couple times before. “Hope you don’t mind, bet she’d have been a firecracker.”
       
      “Maybe. But you’re a firecracker too.”
       
      We headed back to the dance floor, in search of another couple.
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