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Some of the discussions going on regarding the changes some have seen in their local swinger clubs and I wonder.... how many would actually be willing to own/run a swinger club if they had the opportunity. Whether on-premise or off-premise. If you would or would not, what are your reasons and thoughts on the subject?

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Funny, I had a dream recently that we opened a club. It was like a ranch, where people could spend the weekend.

 

The politics involved would be a nightmare. I've seen what our favorite places are going through. :mad:

 

Mrs. D

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Nope. The thrill of swinging would be gone while I was working.:lol:

 

If I could own it and TRUST someone to run it, then I would do it.

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Yes but only if money was no longer an issue and it was a hobby.

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Absolutely not.

 

In the course of conversations with founders of two local clubs (one now defunct, and the other going strong) I learned how much work it is to get the businesses started, and how much work it is to keep them going on a week-to-week basis.

 

And these people have M-F jobs, too! :eek:

 

I'm not sure if I'd want to even own a club operated by a capable manager. In that case, except for the privileges of ownership of a lifestyle club (wink, wink), it seems to me the problems would outweigh the pleasures and (likely little) profit. (Hmmmm...sounds like the average professional sports team ownership. Sorta.)

 

If any of you are thinking of starting a club, I suggest that you talk to a LOT of club-founders and -owners in other areas when writing your business plan. Talk to folks in other states/territories that you would not directly compete with. There is an amazing amount of issues to consider. You might be surprised at all the potential problems, but you'll be fortunate to learn from the experiences of others.

 

Good luck to those of you who decide to do so. The rest of us appreciate your efforts to establish enjoyable and viable clubs!

 

Thrax

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It is like any other business and with those liabilities. Then there is the taxman. With most businesses, you have to balance the input with the output. In addition, you cannot have a bar, no liquor. You could make it a co-op. Sell shares only to those who can be swingers. Alternatively, in some cases, just to single women. I am not to sure how it would run with single men joining. However, let us assume that you could charge a flat fee of $600 per year per couple, or $450 per single. I would charge higher for all singles as a precautionary measure. If the single then becomes a couple with someone else outside the co-op, you could use a prorated formula to make up the difference in your fiscal year. Moreover, as any other business, you could have a pay by month fee. Make sure this fee is larger than that $600 per year fee. It gives incentive for the swinger, or client, if you prefer to call them that to be full time. Then of course you have to have days of operation. Saturday’s into Sunday’s is a good example. That seems to be the norm. Of course, my favorite hotel party is very classy. The hostess dreams up themes for their get together. She is in effect, a marketing genius. You get to play and you have a fantasy in place. You pay $70 and they even have food. Another hotel party I have been at charges a little less. However, theirs is not that fancy. You do in effect get what you pay for.

Regrettably, for me, due to this lousy economy, I have only been to four last year. I live way out in the woods so playtime for me is far and few in between, for now. Gas prices are a killer! YIKES!

 

However, as I was saying, swinger clubs like any other business or song or book, needs a hook. If you can find that special something, that hook, you are in. You can keep it going and you do not always have to treat it as a business. As the night grows older and your guests are well taken care of, as host and hostess, you can join in the merriment. They always do!

 

So in effect, yes, I would like to own, or more part own a swinger’s club. I would treat it as a socialist co-op. X amount of money goes in; X amount of money goes out to cover expenses. However, organized hotel parties are already like that. Therefore, to have a club as it were, is almost dead. Taking a cue from the two hotel parties I have been at and I say, why bother to run a swinger club. Now if those hotel parties would sell a yearly-reduced subscription I would feel better about it. It is that co-op idea. However, I know why they will not, what happens if partners split up during the year? Who gets the reduced rate? In addition, you now have the potential of the dreaded single man. He puts the universe out of conjoinment. He is now the loose cannon where there is one cannon too many and not enough battlefields.

However, at the parties I have been at, I have seen the off-balance wheel alignment first hand. The rouge male hardly ever effects the playtime. As always, there are doers and watchers. Some men like to watch their women have a good time, so the universe is well balanced.

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Yes, we would like to but can't afford to buy our favorite on-premise club which is for sale. It's run by an elderly couple and he still mixes a little pleasure with business on party nights.

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Yes but only if money was no longer an issue and it was a hobby.

 

This was exactly my thoughts.

 

Then I was talking to Mrs two4you, and we decided that if money really wasn't an issue, we'd go a different route:

 

We would have a nice private country spread of 20 acres or more, complete with amenities, beds, and lots of play space. We would then invite our friends to spend weekends with us for free. No donations, no fees, no hassles. :)

 

New couples could be sponsored by our friends, thus expanding the group.

 

Now, this would only be every couple of months or so, but we think it would be a blast. Of course, since money isn't an issue, we would hire a clean up crew. :hahaha:

 

 

 

But, money is an issue. The world is a pain in the ass, and we would not be interested in running a traditional swingers' club.

- - Hey, I used the words "traditional" and "swingers" together. That's worth 2 bonus points by itself. :)

 

We are all about supporting and assisting our local club, even doing lots of volunteer work for them. We're just not interested in the hassles of having our name on the bottom line.

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MrVan and I have talked about this often and is something that we would LOVE to do. We have in mind the perfect club with some ideas from the various clubs that we have been to in which some of what they had combined with another club would make such a great club in our area. However, the problem is that we just do not have the funds for doing something like this.

 

Our other concern right now is our children as we still have 3 children at home and would not want to do something like this while our children were young. Maybe things for us would change down the road when our kids are grown but we definitely talk about this often and our thoughts on wanting to start our own club.

 

MrsVan

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Not this chickadee. Even if money wasn't an issue, I have learned first hand that if you make a business out of something you love, it eventually becomes a JOB. At that point, it's no longer fun, and you start asking yourself why you do it.

 

Hats off to all the club owners out there!

 

=)

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A bit different than what you're discussing, but still on-topic...

 

Mr. Jeep and I have talked about a nekkid campground (not AANR, so swinger activity allowed) in the Upstate/Western NY area. I suppose this would be a bit different from a club atmosphere, more laid back... a weekend or more event, not just a 4 hour event, but a weekend in the buff in the trees...

 

We regularly frequent nudist campgrounds in NY and Canada, and we have had the chance to critique them all and what we'd do differently if we had one of our own...

 

Val

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You gotta get a lawyer and do it right of course. Then you have to ask the lawyer, "if I own/operate a club, can I still play". I bet the lawyer may say no play if you are running it. It will probably have something to do with taking money and having sex.

 

The legalities and expense can be quite overwhelming.

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Hell no. The primary reason is that I have owned businesses in the past that involved a hobby of mine and I learned that it is the quickest way to screw up a hobby their is.

 

You gotta get a lawyer and do it right of course. Then you have to ask the lawyer, "if I own/operate a club, can I still play". I bet the lawyer may say no play if you are running it. It will probably have something to do with taking money and having sex.

 

The legalities and expense can be quite overwhelming.

Yep, if you own a swing club, then you can't legally play there. So, if you want to own a swing club business, and are physically present at the club enough to make it a success, you most likely won't be swinging any more.

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I am a part owner in two venues, one in Moscow and the other in Novosibirsk, Russia.

 

The bureauocracy is a nightmare there, need a local to handle that.

 

Both have been going for a couple of years and we have no probs with the authorities but there is a problem with the local Mafia.

 

Fortunately one of the partners knew some-one who knew some-one and the hassles disappeared.

 

Both venues are busy almost every night of the week and when I'm there I get involved too;)

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We recently listened to a couple of podcasts that interviewed owners of a couple of different swing clubs. We were struck by just how dedicated these folks are. We were also amazed by the amount of work. One couple actually works basically from noon the day of the opening to set up until noon the next day to clean up. The best clubs are those where you don't see the hard work, you just have fun. We can see how getting caught up in the fun makes you think it would be fun to run a club.

 

Hubby once thought about getting into the restaurant biz and did a few stints in college to get a feel for it. It's one thing to enjoy the idea of running a restaurant, but behind the scenes it's tough, tough work. You also work really lousy hours in terms of nights and weekends. He choose another path, but we have a real respect for what it takes to run a good restaurant.

 

Same goes for a good club (swing or vanilla). So two commandments for all of us should be:

 

1) Thank your club owner and hosts. Without them we would have no place to play.

 

2) Use towels and pick up your condoms! It's gross for all of us having to navigate a floor full of used condoms and ultimately it's the club employees who have to do it!!

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No way!

 

It's too much work and with the political environment in some places, I think you're taking too much a risk.

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Its a idea I have been toying with, sure, but as many have pointed out, only if money wasn’t an issue, for one, and the other is, as was pointed out already.. a LARGE property, plenty of feet from the road or any nosy/spying eyes.. 14 feet high stone fences surround property.

 

Going two or three steps further:

Making it a private club, much like a GOOD country club, with gated access only.

 

New attendees go thru a vetting process as well as a tour well before festivities begin..

 

Membership has its privileges.. private members only events, as well as days & nights where members only can gain access. Available for members 6 days a week, nearly 24 hrs a day..

 

Single Females, after passing the vetting process are allowed admittance free of charge

 

Single Males, however are allowed access after vetting, and a personal recommendation, on a month by month basis

 

newly built building, Locker rooms, bathrooms, 8 private rooms, a group room, as well as 4+ Large theme rooms.. which can accomodate 20 people easily

 

Jungle room - theme carries thru the room with large plants, Tiki Gods. Hammocks, “tree house bed“, Swings permanently mounted thru out..

 

Voyeur Room - Large Windows, as well as video cameras throughout the room.. Broadcast to other areas of the club

 

the Machine Room - Steamy room, decorated like a cross between Fucking machines.com and Dr Frankenstein’s lab.. Sybians, and other machines available for member use..

 

Dungeon -- ‘Nuff said

 

As well as the “moon” room.. think of the original revenge of the nerds.. The lunar landscape…lol

 

Vanilla meeting area, with Bar, dance floor, Dj lighting, pool table.. Kitchen and buffet area

 

The pool area.. With large 20 person Jacuzzi.. Outdoor deck with plenty of room for daytime sunbathing..

 

Any questions asked, Its a HEALTH CLUB, PRIVATE HEALTH CLUB..

 

Think of a private members only swingers resort.. Definately a situation where, money would HAVE to be no object.. a long term investment sure but the DIVIDENDS, Ah yes.. DIVIDENDS

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Its a idea I have been toying with, sure, but as many have pointed out, only if money wasn’t an issue, for one, and the other is, as was pointed out already.. a LARGE property, plenty of feet from the road or any nosy/spying eyes.. 14 feet high stone fences surround property.

 

Going two or three steps further:

Making it a private club, much like a GOOD country club, with gated access only.

 

New attendees go thru a vetting process as well as a tour well before festivities begin..

 

Membership has its privileges.. private members only events, as well as days & nights where members only can gain access. Available for members 6 days a week, nearly 24 hrs a day..

 

Single Females, after passing the vetting process are allowed admittance free of charge

 

Single Males, however are allowed access after vetting, and a personal recommendation, on a month by month basis

 

newly built building, Locker rooms, bathrooms, 8 private rooms, a group room, as well as 4+ Large theme rooms.. which can accomodate 20 people easily

 

Jungle room - theme carries thru the room with large plants, Tiki Gods. Hammocks, “tree house bed“, Swings permanently mounted thru out..

 

Voyeur Room - Large Windows, as well as video cameras throughout the room.. Broadcast to other areas of the club

 

the Machine Room - Steamy room, decorated like a cross between Fucking machines.com and Dr Frankenstein’s lab.. Sybians, and other machines available for member use..

 

Dungeon -- ‘Nuff said

 

As well as the “moon” room.. think of the original revenge of the nerds.. The lunar landscape…lol

 

Vanilla meeting area, with Bar, dance floor, Dj lighting, pool table.. Kitchen and buffet area

 

The pool area.. With large 20 person Jacuzzi.. Outdoor deck with plenty of room for daytime sunbathing..

 

Any questions asked, Its a HEALTH CLUB, PRIVATE HEALTH CLUB..

 

Think of a private members only swingers resort.. Definately a situation where, money would HAVE to be no object.. a long term investment sure but the DIVIDENDS, Ah yes.. DIVIDENDS

 

Its a great idea IF you don't need to make money.

 

If you just wanted a club as a plaything sure, but I don't think the market is there, anywhere for a real country club. Most country club memberships start at 20k a year, plus dues.

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Hell to the naw. Owning a club would turn it from play to work. And besides, I can think of few things more annoying than dealing with a bunch of drunk folks when you're stone, cold sober.

 

Pepper

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Its a great idea IF you don't need to make money.

 

If you just wanted a club as a plaything sure, but I don't think the market is there, anywhere for a real country club. Most country club memberships start at 20k a year, plus dues.

 

No, the terms I was considering was simply this.. If you went the country club route..

 

Four levels of membership, Four seperate membership fees

 

Gold - Gold pass opens seperate gate/entrance, allows 24 7 access, to all club amenities, facilities..

 

Silver - Silver pass allows access to facilties, Each time the "card" is swiped, its recorded on either gold or silver levels.. Silver level allows admittance 75 times thru out a one year period.. Weekends do not count..

 

Bronze - Bronze members are allowed access from Friday thru Sunday, all year long.. additional days on a pay per visit basis

 

Standard members are allowed access thru out month and additional times on a pay per visit basis..

 

And yes, it would have to be on a "I dont need the money" thing.. If it wasn't for fun...

 

Besides, if you build it, they will CUM

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Hell no! We would not want to own a swingers club at all...

 

 

 

 

Oh wait......

 

 

 

Too late!

 

 

 

Damn!

 

:lol:...:hahaha:....:lol:.......;)

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Hell no. The primary reason is that I have owned businesses in the past that involved a hobby of mine and I learned that it is the quickest way to screw up a hobby their is.

 

 

Yep, if you own a swing club, then you can't legally play there. So, if you want to own a swing club business, and are physically present at the club enough to make it a success, you most likely won't be swinging any more.

 

Just speaking hypothetically. The club owners we might have encountered at a few clubs, might have been selective enough that the risk was worth the pleasure..... Hypothetically that is, :rolleyes: all of them we may have been to. Temptation perhaps does cause crimes of passion :hahaha:

 

:rolleyes:...Hypothetically, thats is.

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As for the owners not being able to play, from what what I've seen they have a way around it. Once the club is officially closed, the rules appear to close with it. Some rent out rooms for the night, and some have private party's after close. Either way the owners are having fun if they wanna.

 

Mr. _Omg

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Its a idea I have been toying with, (insert cool idea for a sweet club here)

.. ....a long term investment sure but the DIVIDENDS, Ah yes.. DIVIDENDS

 

Your ideas are intriguing, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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As for the owners not being able to play, from what what I've seen they have a way around it. Once the club is officially closed, the rules appear to close with it. Some rent out rooms for the night, and some have private party's after close. Either way the owners are having fun if they wanna.

 

Mr. _Omg

There are ways around everything:lol: But you will still be held responsible.:eek:

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Not for all of the tea in China. Between the restrictive liquor licensing issues, the need for dedicated and specifically trained security personnel, the ever-present "grey area" in terms of legality, and the asinine manner in which far too many patrons are prone to behave, operating any sort of lifestyle club in America carries more headaches than it's worth. Hell, I had a hard enough time adapting to the differences between European, urban (American) and suburban (American) clubs. I don't know if I could bring myself to become the manager of a club in the States. Germany, maybe. The laws aren't as rigid, and (interestingly enough) even the most ignorant people are able to avoid engaging in obnoxious behaviour.

 

Of the three cubs that I visited in the State, two of them were run in an entirely different manner than the others. One of them was (as I soon learned) run Middle-American style, with the single men waiting to be chosen. The other two were run in the standard "introduce yourself" manner. The Middle-American one was cool on the single male front, but suffered from "obnoxious couple" syndrome. One of the Euro-style clubs has fighting men, the other one had prostitution and fighting women (because the wives didn't like the idea of having competition, and prostitutes are unclean). And then we had to deal with constant police inquiries (One of the clubs was set up below a "massage parlor).

 

Bottom line, I couldn't do it. Too much stress for way too little benefit.

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There are ways around everything:lol: But you will still be held responsible.:eek:

 

Basically, if the owners are accepting payment for entry into an on premise clubs and then have sex with same couples they could, albeit a stretch, be considered engaging in prostitution.

 

Being a person who has a knack for finding loopholes in anything, I have worked it out as such.

 

We stand at the door and when a couple enters that we consider worthy, we offer them a free entry for the evening as soon as they complete and in-depth tour of the play room with the owners! LOL

 

No, not really.....:facelick:

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This thread just reminds us to always ALWAYS say THANKS to the owners, and be respectful of their situation and hard work!

 

Mrs. Tropical

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      I knew I wouldn’t last long because I had almost cum multiple times just watching her. With some of the crowd still watching I got undressed, and slid my wet with pre-cum cock into my wife’s cum-loaded pussy. I fucked her until she started cumming. Her cunt convulsed so hard that it squeezed my cock and made me start to cum. I came in her pussy, mixing my cum with my wife’s new fuck buddies cum. I pulled my cock out and watched it all slowly slide down her ass. She got up and went over to our young fuck buddy and she gave him a long passionate kiss and said thank you for such a great time. He gave her one last little finger fucking and handed her a card of his if we were ever in the area again.
       
      He left after he got dressed and we got cleaned up and went out to the main room. I had multiple people including women and even the bartender say that my wife was one of the women they would like to fuck if they ever got a chance after seeing her in action. I guess I’m the lucky one here.
       
      Later that night when we were driving to our resort, she slipped her hand down pants and put her fingers in her pussy. She brought them out and rubbed them on my face. She smiled and said we gotta do this again sometime as we pulled into the parking lot to call it a night.
       
      And what a night it was.
    • By SPaige24
      My husband and I have been together for almost 10 years. I have always been bi- curious, but kept it as secret until the last month. Little did I know that he had a small feeling (thanks to a few drunk nights with my friend). Our marriage is very strong, and we are very opened with each other. I told him that I wanted to have a have sexual encounter with another female. He is on board, and we even talked about a MFM threesome as well.
       
      Here is my issue... How do I find someone? That friend is no longer a friend, I can't do dating apps because of my job, and I personally don't want someone we know. I have looked into Swinger Clubs, and I realize that finding a bisexual/lesbian female who is single is hard. We are opened to a couple if need be. I just want my husband there and or involved.
       
      My question is... What is it like going to a swingers club? Will there be people our age (27-30), are "predators" real, and how do I find a club? We are located in Washington, PA.
    • By AdamGunn2
      It was a fairly typical night at D.J.s Island, an early autumn evening. Mary and I hadn’t set anything up in advance, we’d decided to go almost at the last moment. From the second we entered the door our radar was beaming across the club, searching for a couple that might be searching for what we were also interested in - an enjoyable tryst.
       
      Mary took a few minutes to change into what she called a ‘trolling outfit.’ As I remember, that night it was a black babydoll with a loose bodice, thong, low heels. Many men admired her legs as I checked the forty or so women, many as scantily clad as my wife. None of our regular playmates seemed to be in attendance that evening, but we had our customs, we weren’t concerned. Perhaps an hour and a half later, I sat at a table next to the dance floor, Mary was on her feet, on the parquet, moving her body, seeing if anyone would move in. A slow sequence of men approached her, danced with her. Some would take liberties such as moving their hands under her garment, feeling the small of her back, perhaps place their palm on the roundness of her ass.
       
      I’d seen this many times before, I waited for one of two reactions.
       
      The first was that she’d spin away from the man; it signified she wasn’t interested in what he had to offer.
       
      The second was that she’d get closer, I’d watch her whisper in his ear. I knew the question, “Where’s your wife?” Some of them would shake their heads, they were attending as one of the few single men the club allowed, and when they received Mary’s response, they’d move away - that’s not what we were looking for at the moment.
       
      But the man might indicate where his wife was dancing a few feet away. When this kind of thing happened, Mary would glance to me and give our special signal - she’d put one hand on the back of her head, one on her stomach. When I got the cue, I’d come out, we’d dance as a foursome.
       
      As I approached, a man grasped the elbow of a tall attractive lady who was more modestly dressed, at least for the club. There was no conversation on the dance floor, the heavy volume of music and the thumping of the bass wouldn’t allow for speech. But I could tell the woman was interested in me, the four of us paired off and I often found myself facing this vixen. It was obvious they were as interested in us as I was in them, I could tell by the way Mary was rubbing against the man that she felt the same.
       
      After a couple of songs, Mary led the way off the floor, holding his hand, leading us off into a corner away from the speakers. As we sat, the man said, “I’m Ed, this is my wife, Marilyn.”
       
      Marilyn and I softly shook hands, I believe she raised the hem of her skirt to give me a view of her upper thighs. Ed had no problem seeing Mary’s legs, or where they met - she was sitting so that the babydoll was gathered to her side, leaning forward so her globes were exposed to his view.
       
      “Do you come here often?” Ed asked.
       
      “Every few weeks,” I responded, “you?”
       
      “This is our first time here.” Mary gave him a look that asked for further info. “We’re just starting this,” he admitted.
       
      Marilyn picked it up. “We’ve only had one time with a couple of friends. We liked it, heard about this place, decided to see if we could get into more trouble.”
       
      “Trouble’s our middle name,” I joked.
       
      Our conversation continued, where do you live, what movies have you seen lately, etc. It was a screen, of course, we were all calculating if the four of us would be pleasurable bedmates. I paid my attention to Marilyn, my wife had told me numerous times not to worry about her, she can take care of herself. My hand found Marilyn’s knee, she smiled at me, encouraged me to reach a tad higher. We bent towards each other, our mouths met.
       
      Marilyn opened her lips to me, the kiss was ardent, her mouth moist. She licked at my upper lip, her hand fondled the back of my neck. Our tongues clashed, promising cupidity, mimicking what I presumed our bodies might be doing in a few scant moments.
       
      We broke for a moment, Marilyn invited, “Would you guys want to go to one of the rooms?”
       
      I, of course, was all for it, but then I heard Mary. “Uh, not right now. But thanks.”
       
      We’ve always had the guideline that if one person doesn’t want to do something, she speaks for both of us. Regretfully, I pecked at Marilyn’s lips a last time, we stood, went separate ways.
       
      “You’re not upset, are you?” Mary asked me.
       
      “Of course not, not at all. You’re not in the mood?”
       
      “Oh, I’m in the mood all right, just not with Ed.”
       
      “Something wrong with him?” I asked.
       
      “I tried to get him interested,” Mary revealed, “but his kiss was a little cold, indifferent. I put my hand on his leg, he was too busy watching you and Marilyn, he never responded. My guess is that if we went into a room, he’d be watching you two, I’m not even sure he’d get hard for me.” It was a reasonable thought, it had happened to us a couple times before. “Hope you don’t mind, bet she’d have been a firecracker.”
       
      “Maybe. But you’re a firecracker too.”
       
      We headed back to the dance floor, in search of another couple.
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