Single and Married-as-Single Males for my wife

[Guest clem]

It's a late Saturday afternoon and we've invited a single male over to share a pipe and fuck my wife. She's high and happy with a big cock in her. He's paid for the beverages and for her.

 

The Single and Married-as-Single Pool is Vast.

Two years ago when we met and married, I had fun just watching her with a guy, like the old days, (we're talkin' now about the 70's with two other wives and a niece and a few other men's wives) having a good time. I'd take pictures. Send the photos off to him in an email -no charge. About Guy III in the Lifestyle, she was pissed off: she'd be sore and cranky for days.

 

Then, I started listening to her. It takes time to Produce a wife: She's got Hair, Nails, Shoes, Cleaning, Booze, and much miscellaneous. When a single or married-as-single guy is Dating in the straight world, I know, you know, we all know he's Spending. A Lot!

 

The Kinds of Approaches we get:

In the last coupla' days, for example, I was contacted by a Married-as-Single guy from a town an hour away whose swinger-wife was "away on Sabbatical." His Deal was do my wife now while he's in town on business and then we all get together when his wife returns with the Holy Grail (right!). I gave him the Rate Card and wished him a Happy two days in our town when he was Shocked by my inhospitality, I suppose. My opinion is that I had just been in contact with a Mooch.

 

We charge Single Guys. Married Guys, too. They still are required to meet pre-requisites for cleanliness, coolness, size, attitude and they must have money to spend. I still make photos available at no other cost as an option.

 

The Adult LifeStyle for us is a Bitchin' Couple.

The Guy is Great; has some qualities very different from myself, things that I enjoy and admire. The woman, someone we can relax into. When any of us calls, "honey?" we all respond, "what?"

[TNT 1,155]

He's paid for the beverages and for her.

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

 

Are you saying that you "charge" men to have sex with your wife?

 

Could you explain a bit better?

 

 

Teresa

[2inSanDiego4u 181]

Are you saying that you "charge" men to have sex with your wife?

 

Even if it is not what he meant, after re-reading his post that sure is what it sounds like!

[Guest clem]

Read it again. It's not a piece that I could write without re-writing and I think it's pretty clear. Single men and Married-as-Single men have Social Options -they can go bowling for example, but they may pay to rent the shoes, the ball and certainly the lane. There is no Free entertainment in this world of Disney.

 

I do not expect this to be a Popular post. I wrote it in response to everything else I've read here from Single Males and Couples in discussion of What's Fair? How To? Discrimination Against.

[fun4Ds 1,098]

We charge Single Guys. Married Guys, too. They still are required to meet pre-requisites for cleanliness, coolness, size, attitude and they must have money to spend. I still make photos available at no other cost as an option.

 

Is that legal in your area ?

[Guest clem]

No, it is not; particularly in our area. The CBS series Swingtown profits on material representing activities between consenting adults who might be legally prosecuted in their Areas. The television series is produced, and sponsored by major corporations, legally, for large $$ Profit. Is the contradiction of the Law not clear to you?

Again, the subject is How We have Answered the Question of the Single and Married-as-Single Male. My purpose in writing it was for legiitmate discussion in the Forum.

[two4youinswva 3,068]

No, it is not; particularly in our area. The CBS series Swingtown profits on material representing activities between consenting adults who might be legally prosecuted in their Areas. The television series is produced, and sponsored by major corporations, legally, for large $$ Profit. Is the contradiction of the Law not clear to you?

 

Umm, no. It is not.

If I understand your argument, then any act of violence can be justified because they do it on TV too.

 

 

 

 

Either way, being a libertarian at heart, I don't have a problem with the direction you two have taken with your play. If it works for you, then that's all good. It's not for us, but that doesn't really matter either.

[2inVT 122]

I don't get it. Are you charging people to fuck your wife? I don't think that's legal, really.

[Guest clem]

I don't get it. Do you let single and married-as-single men have biblical knowledge of you wife for free ?

I've responded to your follow-up comment already. Follow the thread from the top of the page; reading to the bottom of the page and you're sure to find it.

And here's a Bonus Question because you seem to be as average and honest as anyone I've ever read here: How Does Our Approach to (for brevity) "Single Men" Make You Feel ? I think you're angry or maybe confused? Maybe I'm missing it; tell me.

[intuition897 2,179]

I don't get it. Do you let single and married-as-single men have biblical knowledge of you wife for free ?

 

From this statement, and your signature line, I'm guessing you have certain spiritual beliefs. In a number of faiths, extramarital sex is considered wrong, so I'm guessing (?) that you feel you must "sin" in order to come to appease your sexual fantasies. What I don't see is how the exchange of money for your wife's sexual services would make it any better. Frankly it seems worse.

 

Personally, I don't buy that there is something inherently dirty about sex outside of marriage. Seems a cruel joke, to be designed to have healthy sexual urges for multiple partners, and then be told you're going to hell if you trust God's design. Hmmm...doesn't make sense to me.

[Guest screaminggood]

Are you expecting a strong reaction, either positive or negative, to your post? Or are you attempting to advertise your wife's services in a free medium? To be honest, I understand that what one writes seems perfectly clear to him/her at the time, but what you wrote doesn't seem have a clear objective.

[socolais 696]

You ask, how do your activities make us feel. I wouldn't want to be around any of it. I'd be concerned about others associating us with that behavior. I don't like the thought of my wife "putting out" for any financial benefit. If a single offered to pay for the hotel, we would not let that offer influence the decision to play.

 

You're welcome to choose your activities and we can choose ours. You don't need our approval just as we don't need yours.

 

I'm wondering about the perceptions of the "single men". They're paying for sex and expect entertainment value in exchange for their dollars. I know how people treat rental cars and I'd have to think some of that same lack of concern would be in the minds of the men. When my wife is with another man, I know she's there because she wants to and he wants to - and I'm not suggesting you guys are any different about that. I think our lack of exchange of dollars is a DEMONSTRATION that our fun is based soley on "want to" and no one is being exploited. I suspect, many single men trying to find their way through the maze of couple dominated swinging expect an arrangement similar to what you provide. I think that expectation is a big part of what causes their personal interaction to be generally less than desirable to some other couples.

 

How do you avoid feeling like you're a pimp???

[Chicup 41]

I'm pretty much completely confused as to the point of this post, and I had to read the original one three times to fully comprehend it.

 

The only conclusion I can come to is that its an add, after all the sls profile is linked.

[fun4Ds 1,098]

What about couples, do they have to pay for everything also ?

[BiloxiCouple 695]

Okay, if Chicup can't understand it then we have a situation on our hands.

 

Last edited by clem : Yesterday at 07:32 PM. Reason: needed a little exposition to clarify my generosity.

Huh?

[TNT 1,155]

Read it again. It's not a piece that I could write without re-writing and I think it's pretty clear.

 

IF it had been clear to me...I wouldn't have asked for you to clarify.

 

Single men and Married-as-Single men have Social Options -they can go bowling for example, but they may pay to rent the shoes, the ball and certainly the lane. There is no Free entertainment in this world of Disney.

 

So..are you saying ...social entertainment cost money so if men (single or married) want to have sex with your wife, they have to pay money for the privilege of the entertainment? There are some forms of social entertainment that are free...well, minus the cost of the gas to get there.

 

Again, the subject is How We have Answered the Question of the Single and Married-as-Single Male. My purpose in writing it was for legiitmate discussion in the Forum.

 

Legitimate discussion requires questions and answers in hopes of better understanding.

 

I don't get it. Do you let single and married-as-single men have biblical knowledge of you wife for free ?

 

I'm sorry but that really struck me as funny. I (the female half) decide who I fuck and who I don't....I wouldn't fuck someone who my husband didn't approve of (I have too much respect for him) but...he doesn't "let" them fuck me....and yes...it's FREE.

 

And here's a Bonus Question.

How Does Our Approach to (for brevity) "Single Men" Make You Feel ?

 

Honestly, I could care less. I don't think what you two are doing is swinging in my opinion but...hey, if the men who are paying for the entertainment value of having sex with your wife are willing to pay...that's their decision to do so. If charging men is your way of "weeding out" those you find undesirable...that's your call.

 

Personally, we've never had a problem finding single men who are respectful, understand the swinging lifestyle and who have enjoyed spending time with us and sharing some great sex.

 

I am curious...if you are playing with a couple do you charge the couple? Or, because there is another woman involved is that considered an even swap...so no charge?

 

 

Teresa

[Mr.Essex 264]

Wife as prostitute. If I hadn't seen it done on Craigslist, I'd be shocked and dismayed. Unfortunately, I've seen it done on far too many occasions to even be able to raise a slight amount of righteous indignation.

[absingleman 178]

I knew a woman that had a serious prostitute fantasy when I lived in Seattle. She and her husband would go diners in the early morning and she would sit in one section and he in another. There they would meet guys who answered the ad they put on the board in adult bookstores. If the guy had not been in the store and called them prior to showing up, they did nothing. If they did, she went through a routine, he drove them to the motel we (the husband and I) worked for, then they all went home after.

 

Was it swinging? Was it prostitution? Was it fetish play? Who cares. It's what got them off. They got around the legal issue because the money he was given he promptly used to rent the room. I only know that I got in trouble for looking the other way the few times they played their game when I was working. It seems that the owner was getting a lot of flak from the real pimps for letting a couple of posers work their turf.

 

But thats what turned them on. Its what turns clem on. I couldn't get into it, but I don't have to, only them.

[mixtupcpl 169]

Ive heard of very similar, AB. And Mrs Mix was a professional dominatrix for a while which, while very different (no sex), is close enough that I'd be a hypocrite if I got judgmental about this.

 

The wording and tone of the original post is a bit odd though, but I suspect the goal was to be provocative (which seems to have worked )

[slevin 1,374]

What about couples, do they have to pay for everything also ?

 

I'm curious if he pays other women that join him/them.

[Malachista 170]

I know a few couples who openly put it into their personals that they expect some money if they hook up with a playpartner.

They claim that guys who are willing to pay will show more respect towards the female then guys who just want to fuck for free

[mixtupcpl 169]

That logic seems convoluted to me. I would assume the opposite would be much more likely to be true.

 

The only way a single can work well, in my opinion, is if you thoroughly check them out and make sure they are understanding and respectful of whats going on.

 

Opening it up to anyone with some cash would seem to be the exact opposite of that. Basically, youd be finding guys that are looking for a hooker. Im not so sure that hookers would say they feel their customers have lots of respect for them.

[slevin 1,374]

I can definitely understand a fantasy of a girl being an escort, getting paid etc. That can be really hot (it's a fantasy that Katrina has) and I can totally see going through with it as a fantasy (right through to getting paid). I could never see us making it our expectation for anyone who plays with us though. To each their own.

 

I thought the comment that single guys always spend a lot pursuing single women; that definitely isn't the case anymore. More often than not dates are split down the middle and often guys will take girls out to do something that doesn't cost anything (the park, go shopping for the new shirt I need, free gallery viewing). It was a funny logical argument though.

[mixtupcpl 169]

I can definitely understand a fantasy of a girl being an escort, getting paid etc. That can be really hot (it's a fantasy that Katrina has) and I can totally see going through with it as a fantasy (right through to getting paid). I could never see us making it our expectation for anyone who plays with us though. To each their own.

 

I thought the comment that single guys always spend a lot pursuing single women; that definitely isn't the case anymore. More often than not dates are split down the middle and often guys will take girls out to do something that doesn't cost anything (the park, go shopping for the new shirt I need, free gallery viewing). It was a funny logical argument though.

 

I know that this is definitely true and is an emerging trend. I have a lot of platonic female friends though, and I can say that not one likes it. Also, a few women I know who tend to date older guys, this is actually their reason.

 

I think a lot has been lost in some ways with the way dating culture has changed post the social reforms of the past few decades. The idea of a man wining and dining a woman is definitely one of them.

 

It may not be expected, but if you're a guy, and you make that your MO, Ill bet you get farther

 

The times I've had a woman completely swept away have been when I took control and showed her an awesome time with no worries from her end. More than a few times I've had them say it was so great to not have to start calculating cutting the check in half after you're finished eating.

[Mr.Essex 264]

I know a few couples who openly put it into their personals that they expect some money if they hook up with a playpartner.

They claim that guys who are willing to pay will show more respect towards the female then guys who just want to fuck for free

 

That doesn't make any sense. IMHO, If I'm paying for an encounter {far from likely, as I'd rather fuck the homeliest woman on the planet before I'd pay for sex}, then I'm going to enjoy myself. If I'm receiving the gift of another man's wife, I'll go out of my way to make the experience as pleasureable. That way, I'm always on her list of callbacks.

[Chicup 41]

You know for some women I think its oddly LESS dirty to them if they get paid.

 

Doing something for money is understandable, doing something cause you are a freak sexually (their minds) makes them dirty.

 

Its the 'well I AM getting paid' which I think overcomes some inhibitions.

[slevin 1,374]

You know for some women I think its oddly LESS dirty to them if they get paid.

 

Doing something for money is understandable, doing something cause you are a freak sexually (their minds) makes them dirty.

 

Its the 'well I AM getting paid' which I think overcomes some inhibitions.

 

Great point. This is also why a lot of women who are turned on by the idea of swinging and threesomes will 'begrudgingly' agree to do it when their boyfriend/husband brings it up. They can point to their husband talking them into it as their reason rather than owning up to their own sexual proclivities. Thankfully here on this board we are blessed with women who are honest both with themselves and their spouses, but we are seriously in the minority!

[Guest clem]

I knew a woman that had a serious prostitute fantasy when I lived in Seattle. She and her husband would go diners in the early morning and she would sit in one section and he in another....

But thats what turned them on. Its what turns clem on. I couldn't get into it, but I don't have to, only them.

 

"It's" not what turns me "on." I enjoy watching her with an attentive, hung stud that wants her. I admit that watching her discovering him and him discovering her from the beginning to climax is what turns clem on. Other activities turn me on, as well, but they could be part of another discussion if I thought they were as interesting as this has turned out to be.

Good story, however.

[Guest clem]

The way it's worked so far for us is: If she liked the guy and he's calling again, then she'll calendar him accordingly. I'll restate this in a general comment, but She Doesn't Do Men She Doesn't Like.

Otherwise, we've found that some single and married-as-single guys like to pay; it's a part of what they want in a sexual experience. You don't or can't and that's o.k., too.

[Guest clem]

IF it had been clear to me...I wouldn't have asked for you to clarify.

 

 

 

So..are you saying ...social entertainment cost money so if men (single or married) want to have sex with your wife, they have to pay money for the privilege of the entertainment? There are some forms of social entertainment that are free...well, minus the cost of the gas to get there.

 

 

 

Legitimate discussion requires questions and answers in hopes of better understanding.

 

 

 

I'm sorry but that really struck me as funny. I (the female half) decide who I fuck and who I don't....I wouldn't fuck someone who my husband didn't approve of (I have too much respect for him) but...he doesn't "let" them fuck me....and yes...it's FREE.

 

 

 

Honestly, I could care less. I don't think what you two are doing is swinging in my opinion but...hey, if the men who are paying for the entertainment value of having sex with your wife are willing to pay...that's their decision to do so. If charging men is your way of "weeding out" those you find undesirable...that's your call.

 

Personally, we've never had a problem finding single men who are respectful, understand the swinging lifestyle and who have enjoyed spending time with us and sharing some great sex.

 

I am curious...if you are playing with a couple do you charge the couple? Or, because there is another woman involved is that considered an even swap...so no charge?

 

 

Teresa

 

No, Teresa, we do not charge couples.

I believe that I stated originally that there are "costs" involved in getting my wife out the door and into the car. We recognize that all couples have prettymuch the same expenses in Producing the Wife as she will be seen and enjoyed.

Her men are all respectful and in every other way desirable to her; she makes the decision as you might in a meet-and-greet situation, we thank him for his time and walk if we don't like him(we let him know from the beginning that this could happen and his fee for just meeting her will be forfeited).

The comment about ...biblical knowledge of your wife for free was a wry response to someone in this stream saying: I don't get it; you mean you let your wife fuck for money and I'm glad you were as amused:lol: as I.

[Guest clem]

This has been a pretty good discussion. I didn't post it to change any one's minds about what they do or think (they do). I revealed something about Us; you revealed much more about You and I thank You for that.

Some strings that may have been left hanging: We have used on-line swing sites for the past two-and-a-half years to meet couples, single females, single males and go to Parties. Couples, single females and Parties were not a part of the discussion, except as your misreading of the original post brought them in. Our practice of charging single and married-as-single males came about as an answer to the numbers of men responding. We meet them with the understanding that either they or we can walk during or after the initial meet (that they are willing to pay a nominal fee for in advance of sitting down) and we select men that will bed her according to attractive-ness, "chemistry," and all the other normal etc. and their ability to pay. Dollars do not enhance the experience, sexually, for us, but offset the expense of Producing Her at the Time and Place desired. She was taken to a resort for Labor Day weekend by a return client that she especially enjoyed the first couple of times and had a terrific 4days. The guys she likes, she sees again and whatever she really likes, turns me on.

Whether it's been Your Experience or Not: Some men like paying and for those that would spend the time (much less the energy) on the "ugliest woman on earth before paying," I say, o.k., enjoy what you got goin' there.

I think that tangling my sense of spirituality (in this case Evil) with our sexual expression and practices goes a bit a-field. I once wrote a song and the chorus is:

 

Wherever I've Been;

Whatever I've Done;

It's a Joy Being Useful.

All Beauty is God's and

Redemption His Son's.

 

clem

[fun4Ds 1,098]

If I am seeing this correct it works like this in meeting single men (reguardless of their relationship status) We are talking a solo male.

 

1.They contact you and you take a fee for booking a meet up.

2. You meet them at a given time and place.

3. Your wife/partner Decides on if they are compatible.

3a. If their not compatible, the initial meeting fee is refunded.

4. If they are compatible, You decide where to go from there. (Motel, or a weekend out somewhere they may have decided)

 

5. They pay more for sexual gratification according to the time spent with them.

 

And this sums up how you deal with the solo males.

 

Right ?

[Guest screaminggood]

So, Clem, an honest question:

 

Did you post to advertise her?

 

If you did, you've obviously gotten much publicity, but somehow, your writings don't sound content when I read them? If you didn't want to advertise, how'd you decide to post?

[PB&J 1,086]

Dollars do not enhance the experience, sexually, for us, but offset the expense of Producing Her at the Time and Place desired.

 

Holy. I didn't realize that we women were a commodity.

[Alura 2,774]

3a. If their not compatible, the initial meeting fee is refunded.

 

Right ?

 

I think you've pretty much got it, Mr. Fun, except that my understanding is that the initial meeting fee is not refunded in that that is a fee for just meeting her.

 

Mr. Alura

[Alura 2,774]

So, Clem, an honest question:

 

Did you post to advertise her?

 

If you did, you've obviously gotten much publicity, but somehow, your writings don't sound content when I read them? If you didn't want to advertise, how'd you decide to post?

 

Interesting idea, Screaminggood. Hmmmm. If I were a vice cop in Bakersfield, I'd be making contact with Clem... If I were you, Clem, I'd ask a lawyer what constitutes prostitution in California. My guess is that it's not illegal to charge for meeting someone, but if the intention is to lead to prostitution, who knows? A lawyer, I guess.

 

Also ask what constitutes a "sex crime" wherein you and your wife might be required to register.

 

In this case, the lawyer's fee would be part of the cost of "producing" your wife.

 

Mr. Alura

[Alura 2,774]

Holy. I didn't realize that we women were a commodity.

 

Unfortunately, PB&J, women have been "a commodity" since long before Clem and his wife entered the "world's oldest profession." Prostitution is one of the lesser "crimes" in which profit has been sought at the expense of women.

 

Now, I believe women should be able to legally practice the profession of prostitution, if they do so by their own decision like Clem's wife does. If they are exploited by others, however, it becomes a whole 'nother issue.

 

 

Mr. Alura

[PB&J 1,086]

Unfortunately, PB&J, women have been "a commodity" since long before Clem and his wife entered the "world's oldest profession."

Mr. Alura

 

I'm well aware of the past history, (including the institution of marriage). By "we women" I really meant we swinger women. I would really hope that this dollars and cents attitude isn't prevalent in the swinger community. The Han Solo quote that least suits this lifestyle should be "I'm in it for the money." Instead, let's go with "This is where the fun begins!"

 

(Apologies to any non-Star wars fans out there)

[Spoomonkey 421]

What I agree with:

 

1. Prostitution should be legal, as Alura said, IF the woman chooses to do it.

 

2. Whatever turns a couple on is completely up to them.

 

But since you were looking for discussion and how people "feel" about it, don't be surprised if some people bristle at the idea. Honestly, it is a huge turn off. The idea of pimping my wife just doesn't interest me in the least.

 

Besides, the good single males we have met are the kind of men my wife would have sex with for free. She enjoys them and they have enjoyed her. I would think that most single men (I'll stay away from the -married-as-single topic for now) should have more self respect than to pay a hooker IF they consider themselves swingers.

 

If not - just call it what it is; prostitution.

 

The lifestyle gets a bad enough name without it living up to its "reputation" by involving sex for pay.

 

Spoomonkey

[Alura 2,774]

I'm well aware of the past history, (including the institution of marriage). By "we women" I really meant we swinger women. I would really hope that this dollars and cents attitude isn't prevalent in the swinger community. The Han Solo quote that least suits this lifestyle should be "I'm in it for the money." Instead, let's go with "This is where the fun begins!"

 

(Apologies to any non-Star wars fans out there)

 

Of course you know that, PB&J, and I knew you knew that. Thanks for the clarification.

 

I've heard of "hooker-couples" in the lifestyle before but they must be very rare. That is a good thing! Like you, we believe a couple should be in Swinging for the fun. When people become interested for the money, it ceases to be swinging, in my (and Mrs. Alura's) opinion.

 

Mr. Alura

[mixtupcpl 169]

This is a sidetrack, but what the hell, this whole thread is weird anyway... I think prostitution should be legal also, but the problem is when you get into the idealistic view of "if a woman wants to"

 

Unfortunately, predators are a reality and they always prey on the weak. So as long as there are desperate women with nowhere else to turn, whether or not she "wants to" will always be a question. Its really no different than drugs, or gangs, or what have you. Not every kid pushing dope for a gang is thrilled to be there.

 

Even if prostitution were a full govt regulated legit occupation, there would still be women who were turning to it out of desperation because they felt they had no other option. I have to think that the number of women who would happily *want* to sell their bodies for money is VERY low in comparison to how many are doing it.

 

Exploitation is, sadly enough, wired into our DNA.

 

On topic, I view what Clem is talking about as more of a kink than anything else. And if their playmates are up for it, then I guess no one is really hurt by it.

 

I disagree with the basic concept though. Yes it "costs money" to get her play ready and at the location, or what have you... But lets say you're dating vanilla style. PRESUMABLY the woman has SOME interest in being with the guy right? I mean a gentleman buys dinner, picks her up, etc, but she is generally taking care of her own makeup, clothing, etc (at least until they get married... LOL)

[watchem_wiggle 22]

I findthe "producing the Wife" pricepoint a little untrue....while I do liketo look nice, I have never had fake nails, dyed hair, club wear, hell sometimes I forget to shave before heading out the door.......yet I always get laid. And I have never been turned away from a playsession

[Guest screaminggood]

And no answer from Clem to my questions? Maybe he's off interviewing lawyers?

[Malachista 170]

As for "producing the Wife":

Is she dressing in rags for Clem and only gets new stuff when she meets someone who pays for it?

Or is Clem just a cheap guy who is happy to let others pay for his wifes pretty cloths and stuff so he can enjoy her being pretty?

 

This reminds me of a story my Chines friend told me from the days when she was at a Beijing University.

She and some friends would sleep with older Men for Designer Handbags. So rather then let money exchange hands, they would first go to a Designer Store, get the bag and then get a room. Or the guy would invite them home, having the bag already purchased in advance...

[mixtupcpl 169]

As for "producing the Wife":

Is she dressing in rags for Clem and only gets new stuff when she meets someone who pays for it?

Or is Clem just a cheap guy who is happy to let others pay for his wifes pretty cloths and stuff so he can enjoy her being pretty?

 

This reminds me of a story my Chines friend told me from the days when she was at a Beijing University.

She and some friends would sleep with older Men for Designer Handbags. So rather then let money exchange hands, they would first go to a Designer Store, get the bag and then get a room. Or the guy would invite them home, having the bag already purchased in advance...

 

 

Isnt the power of a designer bag both scary and amazing? LVMH has some kind of MAGIC going there! LOL!!!

[Malachista 170]

Isnt the power of a designer bag both scary and amazing? LVMH has some kind of MAGIC going there! LOL!!!

 

I wouldn't know, I never had one.

Actually I think that the classic LV pattern makes those bags look downright ugly!

[mixtupcpl 169]

I wouldn't know, I never had one.

Actually I think that the classic LV pattern makes those bags look downright ugly!

 

I think so too, but its amazing to me how pervasive they are as a lusted after status symbol that people will literally kill to get their hands on. I still say they sprinkle them with some kind of magic powder

[nice_cpl_n_bama 24]

Wife as prostitute. If I hadn't seen it done on Craigslist, I'd be shocked and dismayed. Unfortunately, I've seen it done on far too many occasions to even be able to raise a slight amount of righteous indignation.

 

EXACTLY!

If I were to charge the true value of my lovely wife's services not even Bill Gates could afford to pay the toll.

That being said, the other problem is I DON'T OWN HER. She is not mine to rent out, sell, give away, or loan out. She does what she wants, PERIOD.

[mixtupcpl 169]

EXACTLY!

If I were to charge the true value of my lovely wife's services not even Bill Gates could afford to pay the toll.

That being said, the other problem is I DON'T OWN HER. She is not mine to rent out, sell, give away, or loan out. She does what she wants, PERIOD.

 

To be fair, and I dont want to speak for Clem here really but he hasnt been around, I suspect that this is very much also a fantasy for his wife.

 

So I guess one shouldnt be so quick to assume that its the husband "selling" the wife in these things. Including the ones that Essex has seen. So for example, what if the Mrs. said "I WANT to be sold for $10"?

 

Personally, I would want Mrs. Mix to go for counseling. But if you follow the "no judgments, anything she wants is what goes" type rule, well then you very well may end up like those guys on Craigs List.

 

Im sure there are many cases where the wife is being coerced/forced into it, but I wouldnt be shocked to find out that most of the time its her fantasy.

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I am failing to understand something here: Mrs. Cpl is the hottest woman I have ever known. She looks great with makeup, sexy clothes, or nekkid, or even in her gardening sweatpants. I can't keep my eyes (or hands) off her. She gets dolled up for me. If others find her attractive great. Bottom line is: It doesn't cost us any more money for her to look good for someone else than it does for her to walk around the house for me. She does not do anything different or extra to look good for someone else. I fail to understand where the expense comes into play. Although the situation has never come up, Mrs. Cpl would not screw for money (maybe Packers tickets, but never money LOL). I know that this sounds somewhat judgemental, but it is just the way we feel. It is especially odd since she often does use sex to "bribe" me into doing things that I do not want to do.

 

It sounds to me like the OP is trying to justify something that they feel is wrong. If playing was truly for fun there would be no concern about money. This seems to be a matter of "We want someone to validate what we are doing because we don't feel comfortable about it". If the OP's "woman" is the recipient of so much pleasure maybe there should be a new facet added to scenario: If she enjoys the sex they shoudl refund the downpayment, and if she wants a repeat playdate, they should pay the guy to compensate for his travel expenses and everything that he has to go through. That would only be fair. I mean it takes us guys a lot to get presentable too; shaving, cologne, aftershave, clean clothes, wash the tackle good, breath mints, gas for teh car, motel room, shoudl I continue?