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These questions are primarily for those people who go to clubs. I am specifically asking about on-premise clubs.

 

Do you do any research into whether the club is operating legally? If so, how?

 

Does it matter to you if the club is operating legally? If not, why not?

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One of the on-premises clubs we attend is in a sleepy town in a residential community. We've always wondered how the owners get away with it (they hold the party in their house) because the parties get quite busy and crowded. Parking is always at a premium during their parties.

 

One of these days, I'll have to ask them. Us and some friends have a theory that a part of the admission/cover fees go towards the community treasury. I would imagine that the neighbors would be alot more tolerant of the crowds and the presence of "those wife-swappers" when it's helping in keeping the roads in good shape and paying for the kid's swing set (pun not intended).

 

Inside of the club itself they're very strict about keeping everything legal. Nobody under 21 is allowed in to begin with. They don't sell or serve alcohol (it's strictly BYOB) so they won't run afoul with the state liquor board. And upon your first visit, you have to sign a waiver which explains that absolutely no illegal drugs, including marijuana, is allowed, and if any of the staff find you with it, they'll call the cops themselves after they toss your ass out.

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for info on legalities contact:

The National Coalition for Sexual Freedom (NCSF)

 

The National Coalition for Sexual Freedom (NCSF) is a national organization committed to altering the political, legal, and social environment in the United States.

Description: (US) national lobbying and advocacy organization promoting tolerance of sexual minorities.

 

https://ncsfreedom.org/

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Each community has it's own laws from alcohol regulations to zoning ordnances. Every club should have legal representation long before they open the doors to members.

 

Many laws exist whose only purpose is selective prosecution ie: sodomy, sexual devices, fornication. As an example it is not legal in Mississippi to have sex with anyone other than ones spouse and then only if the spouse is farther distant than second cousin and the sex is in the missionary position. In Alabama one may own 1 but no more sexual device if that device was prescribed by a physician for the relief of histeria, however it is not legal for a store to sell such a device.

 

I'm sure this doesn't answer any questions but only serves to bring up more.

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Our club is well covered as they have a huge investment in real estate. There would be little for anyone to complain about as it is not open to the public, it is in the middle of nowhere, and it is walled and gated so no one outside can see what goes on inside, except perhaps by helicopter and that is highly unlikely.

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Originally posted by fun_pairTX

Our club is well covered as they have a huge investment in real estate. There would be little for anyone to complain about as it is not open to the public, it is in the middle of nowhere, and it is walled and gated so no one outside can see what goes on inside, except perhaps by helicopter and that is highly unlikely.

 

May I ask what club you are talking about?

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Originally posted by Close Encounters

Many laws exist whose only purpose is selective prosecution ie: sodomy, sexual devices, fornication. As an example it is not legal in Mississippi to have sex with anyone other than ones spouse and then only if the spouse is farther distant than second cousin and the sex is in the missionary position. In Alabama one may own 1 but no more sexual device if that device was prescribed by a physician for the relief of histeria, however it is not legal for a store to sell such a device.

Pretty scary !!! Who says that America is the paradise of freedom ? Do not think I am anti-American here but I think just ridiculous to prosecute people if they have sex with someone else than a spouse if all partners are adults who agree with extra marital affairs.

 

I am still amazed how the Monica blowjob story could become a National object of scandal. If such repressive laws would be voted here in France we should make a new french Revolution and this time we would not cut the head of the members of the Parliament but the dick in order they cannot reproduce such idiots in the future. Freedom of speech is a great thing but what's matter if you can't act freely ?

 

I have the impression than in USA the road to the Liberty is actually a narrow path rather than a highway... Am I wrong with this ?

 

Cheers.

 

Jean-Claude

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Originally posted by Uneed_Love

..... we would not cut the head of the members of the Parliament but the dick in order they cannot reproduce such idiots in the future.

Ummmm sounds like a plan to me. I've run across a few of those in my lifetime that I'd like to halt their reproduction organs!!! :rofl:

 

Lori

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Originally posted by Uneed_Love

I have the impression than in USA the road to the Liberty is actually a narrow path rather than a highway... Am I wrong with this ?

 

Jean-Claude,

 

It's not so much the road to Liberty. That road was a super highway when we spanked the red coats. It's the returning of our freedoms for the sake of security that really hurts.

 

Alas, too many of us sit at home and watch election results rather than stand in the ever shorter lines at the voting booth.

 

As Ben Franklin observed long ago, he who gives up his freedom in exchange for security will get neither, and deserves neither.

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Originally posted by remox

These questions are primarily for those people who go to clubs. I am specifically asking about on-premise clubs.

 

Do you do any research into whether the club is operating legally? If so, how?

 

Does it matter to you if the club is operating legally? If not, why not?

 

Since this question addresses ON premise clubs I really don't have the information to answer ... but as to the research portion and whether or not a club is operating legally, this still applies in an OFF premise situation.

 

I do try to check them out ahead of time, with friends who have been there, and on line.

 

It makes me nervous when I see people at a club breaking the rules. As I see it as an invitation to get busted. I have often brought it to the attention of the club owners who will have a quiet word with them. I don't want to stop anyone's fun and heck knows I'm not offended by nudity but the rules are stated everywhere you turn and I don't want to see a club get busted and then be tainted by it just because one couple can't follow those rules.

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The club we go to is operating legally, they are in a area of town with other nightclubs, they don't serve alcohol, you must be 21 to enter, and you must "join and submit to a membership agreement" as it is a "private" club.

 

It is A BIG deal if they were not operating legally as neither of us would like to be thrust into the public eye. Society as a whole still does not understand this way of life and would have a tendency to over-react

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It makes me nervous when I see people at a club breaking the rules. As I see it as an invitation to get busted.

I have to agree here. The last thing that I want to do is to be hauled to jail from a swing function. It is a community effort.

 

One of the clubs we attended (which was a pretty nice one) had two events that happened that night in which the management were notified of. One was a male that attempted to intrude on an exhibitionist show of sex between a husband and wife. (He was quickly escorted out) and the other was where a group of people were smoking pot. While I was not the one that reported either, there was much talk among the rest of the people there of how disrespectful it was that these people had not chosen to follow the rules.

 

The clubs that we have been to have an attendance of roughly 100-300 people. I don't know what they provide in the way of security but I'd have to assume 5-10 or so people. The club floor spaces are rather large (for one there is an Olympic size swimming pool in addition to all the other areas) and there is no way that security can watch every person in every area for signs of breaking the rules.

 

I read in another posting somewhere that the staff was allowed to participate in sexual activity during the course of their shift. The clubs we have been to DO NOT allow that in anyway shape or form.

 

One club in particular....when you signed on the dotted line told you that as a responsible member you would report any mis-doings. This particular club also had security in which it was labeled on the back of the shirts who they were. They seemed to be present every where from the dance floor to the locker rooms, to the pool/hot tub areas. (I don't think there were more than five in total) They never seemed imposing or 'gawking' for lack of better words and were actually quite professional in doing their job.

 

Security inside a club has never been an issue for me as most police themselves and if they can't the security staff handles the rest of it.

 

Perhaps Close Encounters can provide some insight on how their security or the overall security of clubs are run.

 

Lori

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Originally posted by OhioCouple

I read in another posting somewhere that the staff was allowed to participate in sexual activity during the course of their shift. The clubs we have been to DO NOT allow that in anyway shape or form.

 

This can get any ON-premise club in trouble.

If you pay someone money and then they have sex with you......

Doesn't take the sharpest DA to find a case to work with there huh.

 

Security will work differently at each club depending on several factors, the size, layout, wether it is on or off premise.

 

Security's role is

Provide a safe environment for the patrons.

Prevent the public's access.

Discretely handle any problems that may come up.

Ideally no one except the person being dealt with by a security person would ever be aware of any actions taken.

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I think of the on premise parties we attended as a normal party. We had known the hosts from an off-premise gig. 5-15 couples chatting, drinking and dancing. Consentual sex had played a role later in the evenings. How is this illegal? We never worried about the legal aspects. Yes, we would have to know a little more about hosts and party goers before attending an on-premise club.

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Originally posted by ciscosv

I think of the on premise parties we attended as a normal party. We had known the hosts from an off-premise gig. 5-15 couples chatting, drinking and dancing. Consentual sex had played a role later in the evenings. How is this illegal? We never worried about the legal aspects. Yes, we would have to know a little more about hosts and party goers before attending an on-premise club.

 

Did the sex take place at the location were the party you paid admission to took place?

The persons you had sex with were the ones who took your money or worked for them?

In ether case if the answer is yes then in most jurisdictions those persons could be charged with prostitution.

 

If you attended an off-premise party and invited or were invited by the owners to meet and have sex as consenting adults after hours in another location then you have not by any screech of the imagination of the most creative prosecutor broken any laws.

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Originally posted by Close Encounters

Security's role is

Provide a safe environment for the patrons.

Prevent the public's access.

Discretely handle any problems that may come up.

Ideally no one except the person being dealt with by a security person would ever be aware of any actions taken.

That is what we have seen also from the clubs we have visited. There wasn't any production of the oustings like you would find in a main stream bar, (ie, like a bouncer getting rid of an obnoxious drunk). If you weren't present for it, you would have never known it occured.

 

As much as the security patrols the interior, I do think they need to do more for the exterior. (Basing this on the clubs we have been too). With the exception of one these clubs that we attended they were located in some pretty rough parts of town.

 

Once you got inside, you felt secure, but the walk to and from your vehicle left a lot to be desired.

 

It is to my understanding that due to zoning laws and cititzen outrage, that clubs are generally located in these areas as there is not only a reduced amount in rent, but less "general" public to rant over it.

 

Lori

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Originally posted by OhioCouple

Once you got inside, you felt secure, but the walk to and from your vehicle left a lot to be desired.

 

Lori

 

Depending on the physical arrangement this could be a problem for clubs if they use street parking.

 

We have ample parking on our own property, well lit and covered by security cameras.

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Originally posted by Close Encounters

Depending on the physical arrangement this could be a problem for clubs if they use street parking.

 

We have ample parking on our own property, well lit and covered by security cameras.

Two of the three that I am speaking of, do have their own lots but they are located inner city between other business's. One uses a shopping center lot. The other club that we have been to was located in the country. It felt very safe, but it was located in the middle of nowhere.

 

I just think that for these other clubs if they could find a way to make the same security presence known in the parking lot as it is in the facility, (even only if it is a mental awareness and not a physical one) if nothing else it could expect repeat members. For all I know they may have cameras in the parking lots but none of them made us aware of it.

 

Lori

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Thats why we enjoy Menages here in Nashville, security staff says that on their shirts, valet parking, even before the club had its own private parking.

 

Now its very secure, pull up to the curb and its a short walk to the door. No worries about "parading-about" in public:lol: and there are really no other businesses close by that are open at that time of night.

 

The only thing we have to worry about now is when the local TV news stations are in a ratings war with each other and annual awards are coming up they have a tendency to target and exploit adult area venues or businesses:mad:

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Close Ecounters - We had paid a donation. This goes towards food, mixers, etc. We did not have any sexual contact with the hosts. One plays while the other watches the door so to speak.

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Close Ecounters - We had paid a donation. This goes towards food, mixers, etc. We did not have any sexual contact with the hosts. One plays while the other watches the door so to speak.

You PAID, doesn't matter if you call it a donation a cover charge a membership fee a penance or a bribe. If one person gives another person money and then proceeds to have sex with that person or someone under their control then in virtually all jurisdictions the act of prostitution has taken place. While one my be watching the door it appears no one is watching their back.

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Originally posted by Close Encounters

If one person gives another person money and then proceeds to have sex with that person or someone under their control then in virtually all jurisdictions the act of prostitution has taken place. While one my be watching the door it appears no one is watching their back.

So if I understand this correctly, from a legal point of view, If anyone that has "vested" interest in a club (ie, owner/co-owner) and they are swingers, it would not be wise for them to swing at anytime in their own club while other paying members are present? If they wanted to enjoy a swing experience in a club they would need to go to a club un-owned by them?

 

The way I see it, business is business and business comes before personal pleasure. I am curious though, what about states/cities that have legalized prostitution? Do they as a rule adhere to the ethics of business is business and refrain from becoming involved in personal sex acts on premise?

 

I apologize for asking you so many questions Close Encounters, but you seem to have a good overall knowledge of swing clubs and how they are run in just about darn near every city...everywhere and I appreciate you sharing that with us. :)

 

Lori

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Originally posted by Close Encounters

You PAID, doesn't matter if you call it a donation a cover charge a membership fee a penance or a bribe. If one person gives another person money and then proceeds to have sex with that person or someone under their control then in virtually all jurisdictions the act of prostitution has taken place. While one my be watching the door it appears no one is watching their back.

 

I still don't personally feel that anything illegal is happening. Whether paying or not. There may be laws that state otherwise. I personally could care less about those specifics and feel that we could present a decent case should law enforcement intevene. Guess were just lawless in aiding prostitution.

 

Why should we live in fear of a lifestyle we seem fit? (This was my original point) We are not paying prostitutes. Right?

 

We are a couple that is not afraid of labeling ourselves as swingers. That goes for meeting or attending functions in the pursuit of swinging. Paying or not.

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M&M,

Understand that we don't agree with the laws anymore than you do. Neither do we agree with helmet and seat belt laws most zoning ordnances, liquor regulations, pornography statutes and tax codes. However until they are changed we have to operate within them.

 

Lori,

To my knowledge there are no clubs operating in areas that have legal prostitution. It would seem that if there were the owners and employees would be able to enjoy the activities without fear of prosecution.

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Originally posted by Close Encounters

To my knowledge there are no clubs operating in areas that have legal prostitution. It would seem that if there were the owners and employees would be able to enjoy the activities without fear of prosecution.

Again, my ignorance rears it's ugly head. Isn't prostitution legalized in Nevada? Also I though I had read where it was legalized in Sweden.

 

That is essentially what I was refering to, as otherwise if it weren't legal in Nevada, how can Las Vegas have nearly 3 inches of yellow pages devoted to girls for hire?

 

Curious Lori.....

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As it happens Lori, prostitution is NOT legal in Las Vegas nor Reno. There is no state law in Nevada against prostitution but most communities have local laws against it.

 

I can't speak to Sweden, I have little knowledge of their laws. I only know the form of government is Socialist Democratic. These societies tend to have a liberal view on personal preferences. So my educated guess is you are right.

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As it happens Lori, prostitution is NOT legal in Las Vegas nor Reno. There is no state law in Nevada against prostitution but most communities have local laws against it.

 

This is very interesting to me.

 

On occasion over the years I have read articles that talk of the 'brothels" and how the local law enforcement was cracking down on making sure the 'workers' were free of communicable diseases. I saw a show several years ago (I believe it was COPS) in which they were raiding a brothel and demanding to see that the 'house' held the appropriate paperwork for each employed member that proved their testings were current and all negative for STD's. (I don't recall for sure but I believe it had to be within 6 months for the testing to be considered valid.)

 

Perhaps that is where I got the assumption that is was legal, but it makes sense to me that if a community/city/county DOESN'T have a law on it's books as it being illegal then you haven't broken any laws by 'selling sex'. Therefore you can't really charge them with a crime. It isn't documented legal, nor is documented illegal.

 

Kinda sounds to me like some tax dollars are 'polishing' the hands of another.

 

Lori

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In order to allow a comparison between the french law and the US ones. Here prostitution untill now is not illegal but brothels are and procurors can be arrested and prosecuted.

 

This law is to protect the women against sexual slavery because most of the prostitutes are not doing this freely but are obliged to do this by males (procurors) who beat them and even kill the Girls if they refused to prostitute themselves. Many women are coming from Hungary, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Russia, Poland, or Africa.

Part of the times they are sold by their family to the Maffia who bring the Girls in the street of Paris, Lyon, Marseille or Belgium, Germany and others European countries.

 

The new french Governement want now to prosecute also the customers in order to stop the prostitution.

 

Another law in the future could send to jail or at least impose a fine to every females who would be wearing in the streets too sexy suits such as "mini skirts" as an incitement to the debauchery. This last law is not still voted but in study. Already many females are protesting against it and were marching in the street of Rennes (if I don't make a mistake) few days ago wearing mini-skirts. Unfortunatly I miss them because I was on holidays... I love women wearing mini-skirts ;)

 

Cheers

 

JC

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Recently during a raid in Atlanta patrons were arrested and charged because they attended a club that was operating illegally. Eventually the charges were dropped, but it sure sucked for a while for those that went out for a fun evening.

 

I think it is very important for a club to operate legally. That is one reason why we helped form the International Lifestyle Association (ILA). Finally there is an organization that has set up guidelines for business owners, has a Law Enforcement Outreach Program (LEOP), and is creating a database of case history for club owners to use to defend themselves. Far too many clubs operate a commercial business out of a residence, do not pay their taxes and do not have the correct permits or zoning- these "businesses" threaten all of our safety.

 

We hope to raise the level of professionalism in our industry and try to prevent fires rather than put them out (and there are several burning right now).

 

I suggest you go to your local club and ask them if they are a member of the ILA. If they are not, ask them why.

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I'm not aware of laws in other jurisdictions, but in Canada prostitution is NOT ILLEGAL though there are no laws stating that is IS legal. However, solicitation is ILLEGAL. Go figure.

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Actually, they amended the law in Canada serveral years ago. Soliciting, which led to only hookers being charged, was replaced with "communicating for the purposes of..." So, now the police can charge Johns who ask for sex for money, as well as women (and men, I suppose) who offer it. So, in Canada, to do it is OK, just don't talk about it.

 

As far as on premises, or even off premises clubs, it probably isn't the prostitution charge that you need to worry about. Its being charged with "found in a common bawdy house". I seem to recall that this was what the owner and I think some patrons of a Montreal on premises club (L'Orage) were charged with a few years ago.

 

The Canadian Criminal Code makes it an offence to keep or be found in a “bawdy house,” which includes any “public place” where “acts of indecency” occur. Unfortunately, a “public place” includes places where the public at large can gain access, even when people know what goes on before they come in. And an act of indecency is pretty much any act that would offend against community standards.

 

In L'Orage the court seemed to have no trouble finding that consensual sex between adults in a sex club setting was an indecent act. It was the public access question, though, that really sunk them. Even though they sold memberships at the door it was apparently a pretty much come one, come all sort of deal and the court felt that they needed to protect the good citizens from wandering in off the street, paying their $40 and perhaps seeing something that would offend their Aunt Sophie and the bridge club if they had seen it.

 

So, even in an off premise, if there are things going on that a court, or even an overzealous police officer might think were indecent, charges could be laid if the place didn't take sufficient steps to exclude the public. The vagueness of it all is kinda scary, but in reality charges are very rarely laid and would probably focus on the owners. And, it would likely only happen if the club was really in-the-face of the local community. (Might explain why all the clubs but one (that I know of) around Toronto are huddled in commerical/industrial areas in the slurbs rather than in the city itself.)

 

If you are concerned, go to one of the clubs that takes care to maintain the reality as well as the appearance of a private club. (Wow, a long post. I am "working" from home today.)

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We've been to a couple of clubs and/or dances and were somewhat disappointed so we merely go the "private home" route. No risk that way either. Any publicity would be career killers for us.

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We've been to a couple of clubs and/or dances and were somewhat disappointed so we merely go the "private home" route. No risk that way either. Any publicity would be career killers for us.

 

Don't know what the laws are in beautiful Nova Scotia, but here in the states, house parties can be a worse risk legally than swingers clubs.

 

You see, there is a little something called a zoning law. Wherein if you're hosting or attending a swingers function at a house party that is located in a residentially zoned neighborhood (rather than a commercially zoned area) the cops can and will bust you. Maybe not all but most of the newsworthy raids on swingers clubs have been at private houses not clubs.

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Pretty scary !!! Who says that America is the paradise of freedom ? Do not think I am anti-American here but I think just ridiculous to prosecute people if they have sex with someone else than a spouse if all partners are adults who agree with extra marital affairs.

 

I am still amazed how the Monica blowjob story could become a National object of scandal. If such repressive laws would be voted here in France we should make a new french Revolution and this time we would not cut the head of the members of the Parliament but the dick in order they cannot reproduce such idiots in the future. Freedom of speech is a great thing but what's matter if you can't act freely ?

 

I have the impression than in USA the road to the Liberty is actually a narrow path rather than a highway... Am I wrong with this ?

 

Cheers.

 

Jean-Claude

America is full of freedom. It's usually communities/States that make the laws you refer to (which is why prostitution is legal in Nevada, an American state.). As a free country we have the right to vote on anything that the government plans on putting in place (local, state or country): The majority rules. It's been that way since the country was created, and is the only way we know to keep from having chaos. We are the minority and it is reflected in the laws established.

 

Although not everyone agrees with every law put in place by the majority: Most of us agree that we need to follow them. :)

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Don't know what the laws are in beautiful Nova Scotia, but here in the states, house parties can be a worse risk legally than swingers clubs.

 

You see, there is a little something called a zoning law.

 

Zoning laws here do not interfere with private functions as long as other laws are not violated, eg. noise that disturbs the neighbourhood, public sex, etc. Our get-togethers do not require "donations". We have pot-lucks and BYOBs, consequently no zoning laws are violated.

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Here locally the 2 clubs that are considered "on premise" clubs avoid a lot of hassles by closing down on certain nights for "private parties." Basically "invitees" are welcome to participate in anything that happens or not as they wish, but nothing is required of anyone, other than a classier dress code for the men. The only time I've ever seen the police at either place was one night when a car was broken into. Once they found out the club was closed to the general public for a private party, they didn't care what was happening inside, and never bothered to find out.

 

House parties are basically no big deal. Then again, this IS Nevada, where what happens here stays here. I mean we live within 5 miles of 4 legal cathouses, for crying out loud. People are less concerned with what their neighbors are doing here and usually spend a little more time tidying up their own backyards.

 

Of course having a police officer or two as invited guests couldn't hurt either, I guess. The patrol car parked out front sure doesn't seem to bother anyone, and we have yet to have anyone's vehicle even touched. Then again, we aren't blasting music at max volume or yelling and screaming in the yard at midnight. Usually by the time it's late enough for anyone to complain about any noise, we're paired off in the hot tub or one of the bedrooms. We don't get obnoxious, and nobody even notices we're there.

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To offer this as an aside, just general input I suppose, Thad Poppel's story, who owns 2 clubs in San Diego, both of which I used to frequent. For the better part of 2 decades Thad was constantly being shut down by the local authorities, arrested, raided, etc. He managed to win in court every time. Long story short, the city of SD finally gave up and simply required that he obtain a business license. To my knowledge, since that time he has not been bothered by the authorities.

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      He had it fully up and moved close to her pussy. She stared into my eyes, grabbed his dick and guided it to rub her pussy. He took his clue and shoved it in. She reminded him to not be gentle. He obliged and fucked her like a whore. She begged for more by saying, "Oh yeah, fuck me, fuck me hard...look babe, he is fucking me so good, he is so big, look, he is fucking your wife right in front of you....oh yeah, fuck me." About four other guys and a couple were now watching her get fucked. I asked her if I should tell them to leave, she said no, she likes it. She slowly turned to them so they can get the full view of a dick in her pussy while she was playing with mine. 
       
      Once the guy got done, she said, "Okay honey, this was awesome," and kissed me multiple times thanking me for a great experience. She said she wanted to stay for a few before we walked out. She wanted to walk around and be noticed as the woman who had just been fucked, since rest of the crowd was just hanging out.
       
      We cannot wait to do it again.  
       
    • By Wendans
      My fantasy has always been to watch my wife get fucked by another man. We have been with another woman before which is a whole story in itself that I’ll tell you about later.
       
      One night several years ago my wife and I had gone to a club. Not your ordinary club, but a good club for swingers and singles. The night had started out rather slow and we were not finding any action that I had hoped. My wife knows what she wants and that is what we go with. And that night we found what she wanted and it was such a great experience she knew she wanted to do it again. She had gotten fucked by a black guy and she had enjoyed it. So, when we got the chance, she wanted to try it again.
       
      Being at a swinger’s club isn’t really her thing, but fucking in front of people or listening to them fuck is a big turn-on for her. Since we don’t live close to any swingers’ clubs or anything of that nature, we don’t get many opportunities to do anything like this.
       
      A couple of years ago we got a chance to go to another club. Yes, one of those clubs. We were looking for a little fun and hoping to find something as good as the last time we were out. We talked to many people as the night went on and my wife was trying to figure out what we were going to be doing to have fun that night. There was a hot blonde that was interested in us and kept on grabbing my cock which my wife was loving because this was getting her going. My wife and I decided that this was not what we had in mind for tonight, so we just kind of let that slide and we went on to pursue something else. She said she would know it when she saw it.
       
      My wife had put a couple of drinks down and was feeling pretty good now. She was a little more daring and said she wanted to go change outfits like she did when we had been to a club previously. We had brought the very same sexy outfit that was see through, so she went and changed into it. When she came back out, there was not one guy's eyes on anyone but her. Even the women were looking on in awe. She is a beautiful woman that knows how to control a room.
       
      One guy came up to me and told me he was jealous. He said he would do anything to get to fuck my wife, but she just didn’t feel right with him, I guess. As we were standing around, in came this well-built younger black guy and I think she almost came right there. The look on her face was almost mind blowing. She got this horny grin and told me she was ready to start our night. As he walked by her, she gave him this dirty smile and took her hand and rubbed down by her cunt. He stopped walking and came over to her and asked if he could help her with anything. She just smiled and said that I think you already know what you can do. They danced around a little bit, but I could tell she couldn’t take it anymore, so she quickly unzipped his pants and took out his cock and grabbed it and lead him into another room like a dog on a leash.
       
      I stayed back a couple of minutes to give them some time to get to know each other. When I did finally get to the other room, they had already undressed and she was sucking his cock. It was larger than mine. Not much longer, but thicker. I could tell she liked it.
       
      My wife had picked a room where people would be able to watch if they wanted to. I stayed back in the wings and was kind of hidden so she really didn’t know I was even there.  As I watched my wife in action, I could tell she was enjoying every second of this guy’s cock. She was sucking it like there was no tomorrow.
       
      Now it was his turn to return the favor. He got his face down to her pussy and started licking like it was candy. She was turning red and I could tell she was already about to cum. She was squirming and shaking and he was getting her cunt all ready for his big shaft. But before he fucked her, he now spread her legs out and started fingering her pussy to the point that she started squirting fluids all over the sheet they were laying on. It was like the flood gates had opened up and all the juices were flowing.
       
      She finally had all she could take because I’m sure she had cum multiple times already and I could tell she just wanted to have him inside her. I heard her say to give me your big, black cock. He asked her if she wanted him to put on a condom and she told him no, she wanted to feel him inside her cunt.
       
      He took her and spread her legs wide and slowly inserted his bbc into her tight cunt. She told him to go slowly because she said it was so big that she needed to get used to it. After several minutes of the slow movement, she said she needed him to fuck her harder so he started to go full penetration into her dripping wet cunt. She was telling him how good his cock felt, and how she loved fucking him.
       
      They switched positions multiple times with her sitting on top of his cock and riding him like she has never ridden before. My wife took his whole cock inside of her as deeply as she could, rubbing back and forth and cumming time and time again.
       
      They finally switched back to missionary style and were fucking hard when I heard her say to him, she wanted him to cum in her pussy. She said she wanted to feel his cum drip out of her pussy all night long. When he heard her say that, he started to pick up the pace and finally started moaning and said he was about to cum. My wife was now cumming herself and as he shot his load inside of her, she started squirming and shaking with every pulse of his exploding cock. Her body was red from all of her orgasms, and I could tell she was getting worn out. They had gone for almost 40 minutes of nonstop action. Not to mention that all the other people that had gathered around to watch started going to other parts of the place as they had gotten a show that they would remember forever.
       
      When he pulled his now soft cock out of my wife, I could see the cum dripping down her ass. She was getting what she wanted, I guess. She would be able to feel his cum dripping out of her the rest of the night. But I didn’t realize that she was not done yet. She wanted more. My wife took his cock and started sucking on it again. I guess he was young enough that almost instantly he got hard and she took his cock and guided it into her cunt and said she needed more of his cum. He fucked her for another 10 minutes until he exploded with more cum inside my wife’s pussy again. Again, as I watched the cum drip down her ass, she was getting what she wanted. She was going to feel this the rest of the night.
       
      They both started cleaning up a little and I slowly came out of the crowd that had gathered. She saw me and gave me that dirty little smile she sometimes gets. My wife asked me if I had enjoyed her show. She said she needed to have a little more cum in her pussy tonight and she now wanted mine. Her new little friend just kind of sat back in the corner and decided to watch us.
       
      I knew I wouldn’t last long because I had almost cum multiple times just watching her. With some of the crowd still watching I got undressed, and slid my wet with pre-cum cock into my wife’s cum-loaded pussy. I fucked her until she started cumming. Her cunt convulsed so hard that it squeezed my cock and made me start to cum. I came in her pussy, mixing my cum with my wife’s new fuck buddies cum. I pulled my cock out and watched it all slowly slide down her ass. She got up and went over to our young fuck buddy and she gave him a long passionate kiss and said thank you for such a great time. He gave her one last little finger fucking and handed her a card of his if we were ever in the area again.
       
      He left after he got dressed and we got cleaned up and went out to the main room. I had multiple people including women and even the bartender say that my wife was one of the women they would like to fuck if they ever got a chance after seeing her in action. I guess I’m the lucky one here.
       
      Later that night when we were driving to our resort, she slipped her hand down pants and put her fingers in her pussy. She brought them out and rubbed them on my face. She smiled and said we gotta do this again sometime as we pulled into the parking lot to call it a night.
       
      And what a night it was.
    • By SPaige24
      My husband and I have been together for almost 10 years. I have always been bi- curious, but kept it as secret until the last month. Little did I know that he had a small feeling (thanks to a few drunk nights with my friend). Our marriage is very strong, and we are very opened with each other. I told him that I wanted to have a have sexual encounter with another female. He is on board, and we even talked about a MFM threesome as well.
       
      Here is my issue... How do I find someone? That friend is no longer a friend, I can't do dating apps because of my job, and I personally don't want someone we know. I have looked into Swinger Clubs, and I realize that finding a bisexual/lesbian female who is single is hard. We are opened to a couple if need be. I just want my husband there and or involved.
       
      My question is... What is it like going to a swingers club? Will there be people our age (27-30), are "predators" real, and how do I find a club? We are located in Washington, PA.
    • By AdamGunn2
      It was a fairly typical night at D.J.s Island, an early autumn evening. Mary and I hadn’t set anything up in advance, we’d decided to go almost at the last moment. From the second we entered the door our radar was beaming across the club, searching for a couple that might be searching for what we were also interested in - an enjoyable tryst.
       
      Mary took a few minutes to change into what she called a ‘trolling outfit.’ As I remember, that night it was a black babydoll with a loose bodice, thong, low heels. Many men admired her legs as I checked the forty or so women, many as scantily clad as my wife. None of our regular playmates seemed to be in attendance that evening, but we had our customs, we weren’t concerned. Perhaps an hour and a half later, I sat at a table next to the dance floor, Mary was on her feet, on the parquet, moving her body, seeing if anyone would move in. A slow sequence of men approached her, danced with her. Some would take liberties such as moving their hands under her garment, feeling the small of her back, perhaps place their palm on the roundness of her ass.
       
      I’d seen this many times before, I waited for one of two reactions.
       
      The first was that she’d spin away from the man; it signified she wasn’t interested in what he had to offer.
       
      The second was that she’d get closer, I’d watch her whisper in his ear. I knew the question, “Where’s your wife?” Some of them would shake their heads, they were attending as one of the few single men the club allowed, and when they received Mary’s response, they’d move away - that’s not what we were looking for at the moment.
       
      But the man might indicate where his wife was dancing a few feet away. When this kind of thing happened, Mary would glance to me and give our special signal - she’d put one hand on the back of her head, one on her stomach. When I got the cue, I’d come out, we’d dance as a foursome.
       
      As I approached, a man grasped the elbow of a tall attractive lady who was more modestly dressed, at least for the club. There was no conversation on the dance floor, the heavy volume of music and the thumping of the bass wouldn’t allow for speech. But I could tell the woman was interested in me, the four of us paired off and I often found myself facing this vixen. It was obvious they were as interested in us as I was in them, I could tell by the way Mary was rubbing against the man that she felt the same.
       
      After a couple of songs, Mary led the way off the floor, holding his hand, leading us off into a corner away from the speakers. As we sat, the man said, “I’m Ed, this is my wife, Marilyn.”
       
      Marilyn and I softly shook hands, I believe she raised the hem of her skirt to give me a view of her upper thighs. Ed had no problem seeing Mary’s legs, or where they met - she was sitting so that the babydoll was gathered to her side, leaning forward so her globes were exposed to his view.
       
      “Do you come here often?” Ed asked.
       
      “Every few weeks,” I responded, “you?”
       
      “This is our first time here.” Mary gave him a look that asked for further info. “We’re just starting this,” he admitted.
       
      Marilyn picked it up. “We’ve only had one time with a couple of friends. We liked it, heard about this place, decided to see if we could get into more trouble.”
       
      “Trouble’s our middle name,” I joked.
       
      Our conversation continued, where do you live, what movies have you seen lately, etc. It was a screen, of course, we were all calculating if the four of us would be pleasurable bedmates. I paid my attention to Marilyn, my wife had told me numerous times not to worry about her, she can take care of herself. My hand found Marilyn’s knee, she smiled at me, encouraged me to reach a tad higher. We bent towards each other, our mouths met.
       
      Marilyn opened her lips to me, the kiss was ardent, her mouth moist. She licked at my upper lip, her hand fondled the back of my neck. Our tongues clashed, promising cupidity, mimicking what I presumed our bodies might be doing in a few scant moments.
       
      We broke for a moment, Marilyn invited, “Would you guys want to go to one of the rooms?”
       
      I, of course, was all for it, but then I heard Mary. “Uh, not right now. But thanks.”
       
      We’ve always had the guideline that if one person doesn’t want to do something, she speaks for both of us. Regretfully, I pecked at Marilyn’s lips a last time, we stood, went separate ways.
       
      “You’re not upset, are you?” Mary asked me.
       
      “Of course not, not at all. You’re not in the mood?”
       
      “Oh, I’m in the mood all right, just not with Ed.”
       
      “Something wrong with him?” I asked.
       
      “I tried to get him interested,” Mary revealed, “but his kiss was a little cold, indifferent. I put my hand on his leg, he was too busy watching you and Marilyn, he never responded. My guess is that if we went into a room, he’d be watching you two, I’m not even sure he’d get hard for me.” It was a reasonable thought, it had happened to us a couple times before. “Hope you don’t mind, bet she’d have been a firecracker.”
       
      “Maybe. But you’re a firecracker too.”
       
      We headed back to the dance floor, in search of another couple.
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