Ladies, Does this bother you?

[CXXC 435]

Mrs. CXXC and I were talking the other day and the topic of Viagra came up. She has been with a few men who were clearly using viagra at the parties or clubs we attended.

 

She stated that any man who wishes to use Viagra in order to please a woman is very considerate and should be commended.

 

What do you think, ladies? Do you feel this is cheating or is it a good thing?

[The Fuse 1,012]

I think it's a great thing for both the woman and the man using it, provided it's used properly and for the right reasons.

 

"Cheating"? If a man has a physical problem that keeps him from getting or keeping an erection, and Viagra helps solve that physical problem, I don't see it as cheating any more than taking aspirin to relieve a headache is cheating. I've read and been told that Viagra doesn't help with mental or emotional issues, or lack of attraction, just physical problems with blood flow. So I think it's just a tool, and a welcome one.

 

I think it's considerate toward the woman, because there is less chance she'll be disappointed. It's also good for the guy, because he will feel more virile and successful (and satisfied) if he can get an erection and have sex.

 

I guess I don't see what could be bad about that. Unless he's using it against his own desires for some reason, like if his partner is being too demanding. Can you say more about what you meant?

[CXXC 435]

Ms. fuse

There have been a few posts on other sites that I belong to where the women have stated that they feel it is dishonest. They believed that the man was not being truthful in his desire or apparant attraction to the woman with whom he was engaged. These ladies feel they are being lied to and that the men are actually taking one for the team etc...

 

Mrs. CXXC, like you, feels it is not about being untrue as it is ensuring the maximum pleasure for his intended.

 

I would have to say, any compound, when used to ensure the pleasure of another (Providing the user does not suffer from its use or uses it as a crutch for taking one for the team) is a gift to all parties involved.

 

Does that answer your question?

[The Fuse 1,012]

Ms. fuse

There have been a few posts on other sites that I belong to where the women have stated that they feel it is dishonest. They believed that the man was not being truthful in his desire or apparant attraction to the woman with whom he was engaged. These ladies feel they are being lied to and that the men are actually taking one for the team etc...

 

Mrs. CXXC, like you, feels it is not about being untrue as it is ensuring the maximum pleasure for his intended.

 

I would have to say, any compound, when used to ensure the pleasure of another (Providing the user does not suffer from its use or uses it as a crutch for taking one for the team) is a gift to all parties involved.

 

Does that answer your question?

Yes, it does, thank you.

 

Interesting point of view... my understanding is that Viagra doesn't help if the desire doesn't exist in the first place. I wonder if men with experience using it can confirm or correct this understanding. Men, if you use Viagra, does that help you become attracted to someone you wouldn't be attracted to without the pill? Does it make you more likely to play with someone who would otherwise be borderline?

 

The only analogy I can think of is a woman using lube, but that is different. Sometimes lube can be just to help if she goes dry for reasons other than lack of desire. Sometimes that just happens, and lube just helps two excited people keep the party going. But lube can also be used as a replacement for female excitement, just to let the man have sex. I suppose this can be bad or it could be an act of love by a wife who is just plain too tired or not interested at some particular time. In any case, lube works whether desire is there or not. Viagra is different, or at least that is what I think... I hope someone replies who can give a firsthand point of view.

[iapr 24]

I've seen this question come up a couple times too and I think the concept of using viagra as "cheating" is just plain silly. If a gal is wanting to have sex with some guy doesn't it only make sense he should have a hard dick to do it with?

 

Am I missing something here?

 

As far as a man not being attracted or of taking one for the team, here is a little fact about viagra/cialis/levitra, They are not aphrodisiacs and they do not GIVE you an erection. They are vasodialators that allow the blood vessels in the penis to engorge DURING AROUSAL.

 

In other words you don't just pop a pill and your dick gets hard. You still need to have arousal and foreplay etc. Even if someone is taking viagra if he is not aroused or is too distracted or uncomfortable with the situation he may still be unalbe to acheive an erection.

 

Viagra may assist in allowing an erection to occur but it does not MAKE an erection occur.

[lustylearning 705]

I may be missing something, but if it works for him, it works for me:D

[CXXC 435]

I've seen this question come up a couple times too and I think the concept of using viagra as "cheating" is just plain silly. If a gal is wanting to have sex with some guy doesn't it only make sense he should have a hard dick to do it with?

 

Am I missing something here?

 

The statements I quoted were from other sites dedicated to the lifestyle. These were posts made in blogs and forums a few months ago. I bring them up as Mrs. CXXC and I had discussed the matter and I was cuirous if other women felt the same as she did.

 

Perhaps the women who posted the negative toward the drug had little self esteam and thought that any man using it would be lying to them in a mock desire. Im not certain.

 

You are not missing anything. It only makes sense to be erect in order to "FULLY" please a woman.

 

This is, BY NO MEANS, a slight against ANYONE who uses the compound. I too look at it as another "sex toy" if you will. Just one more tool in the box to assure maximum pleasure. Mrs. CXXC agrees 100% with me in that thought.

 

I am not completely clear on the mechanism or the physiology of any of the ED meds. I am ignorant and make an apology to the readers for this. I will do some research and be better equiped to answer your questions about the ability to sustain an erection even if one is not turned on by their play mate.

 

Thanks for the input.

[LFM2 1,482]

They are not aphrodisiacs and they do not GIVE you an erection. They are vasodialators that allow the blood vessels in the penis to engorge DURING AROUSAL.

 

In other words you don't just pop a pill and your dick gets hard. You still need to have arousal and foreplay etc. Even if someone is taking viagra if he is not aroused or is too distracted or uncomfortable with the situation he may still be unalbe to acheive an erection.

 

Viagra may assist in allowing an erection to occur but it does not MAKE an erection occur.

 

Exactly. And I don't consider it cheating, either.

 

I'm in the camp that it's nice that men would be so considerate. I know I'm not the only woman on this board that had a partner who found it difficult to get an erection. I know Dave isn't the only man on this board that has found it frustrating and embarrassing to not be able to keep an erection during playtime. Viagra is a good thing.

[MrkLin 393]

Ms. fuse

There have been a few posts on other sites that I belong to where the women have stated that they feel it is dishonest. They believed that the man was not being truthful in his desire or apparant attraction to the woman with whom he was engaged. These ladies feel they are being lied to and that the men are actually taking one for the team etc...

 

I just don't understand that logic. The catty part of me says that if that's the way they really feel, then they deserve every limp willy they get. I also wonder how many of these particular women have breast implants, but I digress...

 

I don't know if it's low self-esteem or an overblown ego (as in, "you should be hard as a rock just by the very sight of me,") but whatever it is, thanks but no thanks.

 

I do have a question for these ladies, however - how do they know the guy has taken any medication for ED? Most of these meds require you to take them 30 minutes prior to "the event," and last for 4 hours or more. All of the men I know that use Viagra take it before they even get to the proposed "play site," so it's never a question. I just don't see how they think they know a guy is taking anything for ED, unless they're coming right out and asking.

[JustAskJulie 2,595]

For Viagra to work the guy still has to get turned on. I don't see how that is dishonest or misrepresenting his attraction to her.

[CXXC 435]

I do have a question for these ladies, however - how do they know the guy has taken any medication for ED? Most of these meds require you to take them 30 minutes prior to "the event," and last for 4 hours or more. All of the men I know that use Viagra take it before they even get to the proposed "play site," so it's never a question. I just don't see how they think they know a guy is taking anything for ED, unless they're coming right out and asking.

 

Mrs. CXXC can tell if a man has taken the stuff quite easily. for onr, the refractory period is SO MUCH less. But for these women? I dont know how they know. And I do agree with you that they are foolish in the thought that it is being false.

 

I am still working on getting more information on the drug itself. I want to make sure of the physilology behind it.

[MrkLin 393]

Mrs. CXXC can tell if a man has taken the stuff quite easily. for onr, the refractory period is SO MUCH less.

 

Or maybe she is just that hot. Judging by your avatar pic, it could very well be the case...

 

I took Viagra for a while, but a healthier diet and more exercise has eliminated my need for it. As mentioned before, Viagra doesn't give you an erection, it just dilates the blood vessels in Mr. Happy to allow you to get one. You still have to be aroused. I will say that for the average guy who is borderline (meaning that he might need it and might not,) it makes getting one very easy, and Lin says I'm much MUCH harder.

 

When I asked Lin if she could tell whether or not she thought she could tell if a guy was using some sort of ED treatment, she had to think about it. Her final answer was that without having any other encounters with the man to base it on (for example if he's out of the stuff and is having trouble) she probably wouldn't know - and she certainly wouldn't care if he was.

 

Everyone is different. Some guys in their 50s respond like 16 year olds watching their first porn flick. Other guys in their 20s need duct tape and a 2 X 4. At the end of the day, my opinion is that if everyone is happy, that's what's important.

[CXXC 435]

MrkLin

 

I agree with you 100%. If everyone is happy, I we dont care what you do so long as it is relatively legal and no one is hurt.

 

Mrs. CXXC thanks you for your comliment. I tell her daily how lovely she is. AND! I point out to her, EVERY MORNING, how my morning wood thinks so too!

 

I tried Viagra once on a vacation to see what the fuss was all about. Talk about a stuffy nose and a higher body temp. OH! And that wood would not go away for the life of me! It was insane. Made sex with Mrs. CXXC very fun, but 30 minutes later, I was ready to go again. Lets just say, Mrs. CXXC enjoyed the night but would not like me to take that every day with my vitamines. The girl needs her rest sometimes! HA HA HA!

[MrkLin 393]

I tried Viagra once on a vacation to see what the fuss was all about. Talk about a stuffy nose and a higher body temp. OH! And that wood would not go away for the life of me! It was insane. Made sex with Mrs. CXXC very fun, but 30 minutes later, I was ready to go again. Lets just say, Mrs. CXXC enjoyed the night but would not like me to take that every day with my vitamines. The girl needs her rest sometimes! HA HA HA!

 

That's one side effect I didn't count on - one 50mg Viagra tablet effected me for about 2 days too. Lin absolutely loved it! (Remember - we're older.) I can't imagine what a Cialis tablet would do to me - Viagra is supposed to last about 4 hours, and it lasted about 48 - Cialis is supposed to work for 72 hours... OMG!

 

Not always, but every once in a while I would get a headache from it the day after I took it, but nothing a couple of aspirin wouldn't cure. I never had any other side effects like higher temperature or stuffy nose, so I can't comment on that part of it.

 

One thing to remember is that Viagra was actually developed as a treatment for high blood pressure. The stiffies that came along with it were discovered during testing, when men reported easier erections and wanted more of the stuff. I'm sure they were disappointed to discover that the little blue pill would eventually prove to be less than effective for high blood pressure, and therefore not covered by their medical insurance. The result is a pill that costs about $10 each. Talk about putting a price on love...

 

As a side story, I used to service a bar in a small town here in Northern NV, which was frequented by lots of men in their 60s and 70s. You could always tell when one of them had been to the doctor and had scored a sample pack of Viagra. The guys were all huddled in a corner talking in hushed tones, and one man was busily trying to break tablets out of the blister pack while others were digging into their wallets for $5 bills. It was friggin hilarious. These same men wondered why the bartender had dubbed them, "The Viagra Squad."

[CXXC 435]

As a side story, I used to service a bar in a small town here in Northern NV, which was frequented by lots of men in their 60s and 70s. You could always tell when one of them had been to the doctor and had scored a sample pack of Viagra. The guys were all huddled in a corner talking in hushed tones, and one man was busily trying to break tablets out of the blister pack while others were digging into their wallets for $5 bills. It was friggin hilarious. These same men wondered why the bartender had dubbed them, "The Viagra Squad."

 

I am reminded of the 70 year old man who went to CVS. Fill his Viagra pescription but asked that the pharmacist cut the 50mg tabs in quarters. When the pharmacist informed him that the pill would probably not work in such a low dosage, the old gent replied, "I don't care aobut that, I just dont want to pee on my shoes anymore!"

 

Thanks you! Thank you! Thank you! Ladies and Genst, Try the Veal. I'm here till Thursday!

[MrkLin 393]

I could write a book about this bar – and in fact, I’ve threatened to…

 

A regular couple came in one day, and when asked what was going on, she said that they had gone into Reno for her dialysis the day before. It turns out while she was getting her kidneys taken care of, he was talking to the doctor, and had secured some Viagra. When the bartender asked how she had liked it, the lady replied, “If that’s what I have to look forward to, I’m never going to dialysis again…”

 

True story! I swear!

[Chicup 42]

So needing a drink to lower ones inhibitions to swing = bad.

 

Needing a pill to overcome ones anxiety to swing = no problem?

[CXXC 435]

So needing a drink to lower ones inhibitions to swing = bad.

 

Needing a pill to overcome ones anxiety to swing = no problem?

 

 

Chicup

 

I do love the way you think! This is a perfect example of what these ladies were talking aobut.

 

However, those who are regulars in the lifestyle surely dont need to drink to get rid of the inhibitions. But there are those who may need the aid of Viagra to get over performance anxiety. Is that really bad?

[Chicup 42]

Chicup

 

I do love the way you think! This is a perfect example of what these ladies were talking aobut.

 

However, those who are regulars in the lifestyle surely dont need to drink to get rid of the inhibitions. But there are those who may need the aid of Viagra to get over performance anxiety. Is that really bad?

 

Well I suppose it really depends on what you consider 'help'.

 

Both are using chemical means to overcome a psychological issue that they don't have outside of swinging.

 

I understand where the women who think its cheating come from, though when I first figured it out I was sort of surprised.

 

A lot of women judge their sexual self worth by how men respond to them. Getting hard for them is a big thrill, and really a complement. Its a clear indication of 'I find you attractive and want to have sex with you' rather unambiguous.

 

Now throw in Viagra and it seems like less of a complement. He needs a drug to be into me, he doesn't find me as attractive as his wife, in short hes cheating.

 

You can throw out the concept that they have to be stimulated for it to work in the first place, but I don't think many would argue that its less stimulation needed than if they were not on the drug.

 

Back when I first figured out that a lot of women felt good about themselves when they made men hard I almost felt like they were being naive. Of COURSE a guy would be hard for them, its what guys do and nothing to be complemented by. As I got older I can see the point better. Its one thing to think that at 20, its another at 30, and another at 40.

 

Now do I think guys shouldn't use Viagra if they need it? No, some women may feel its cheating, but its a heap better than the guy not getting it up on the complement scale

[CXXC 435]

Chicup

 

I think that the way this sould be looked at is simple. A man wants to please a woman. He knows that for any number of reasons, he may or may not be able to perform. He takes the pill to ensure that she is pleased. Both he and she have a good time and the night is successful.

 

How is this a bad thing? I think the ladies on the sites I mentioned earlier are shallow or worse, have extremely low self esteem. The fact that a man will want to be with them, even if he is taking one for the team (Which is not an easy thing to overcome) should speak to the lady that he is dedicated to pleasing her. At least, this is how I see it. Perhaps I am way off base.

 

Viagra for men and drinking for women are virtually on the same line in my book. The difference being that Viagra will not make you slur, fall down, get a DUI or car crash.

 

Just my thoughts!

[Chicup 42]

Chicup

 

I think that the way this sould be looked at is simple. A man wants to please a woman. He knows that for any number of reasons, he may or may not be able to perform. He takes the pill to ensure that she is pleased. Both he and she have a good time and the night is successful.

 

How is this a bad thing?

 

Again think of it from their point of view. If a woman had to take a pill to get physically aroused enough for sex, would you feel good about it?

 

No, no, Chicup, its not you, I just forgot to take my pill, I'm REALLY into you, its just I have a hard time getting aroused in swinging you know? You know I want to have sex with you.

 

Perhaps this explains our 'dead fish' post.

 

Again, I'm not saying don't take it, but I am able to see their point of view and it doesn't require being shallow or having low self esteem. Its wanting to feel desireable, which is one of those pretty common perks we talk about in swinging.

 

The fact that a man will want to be with them, even if he is taking one for the team (Which is not an easy thing to overcome) should speak to the lady that he is dedicated to pleasing her.

 

I think you just answered your own OP here. NO one wants to be the mercy fuck. I'd be extremely turned off if I found out the only reason a woman was going to play with me was because her husband wanted my wife and she was 'taking one for the team'. Don't you think this is exactly what those women want to avoid?

 

I think that in swinging most of the swinger ED is in fact the males issue, not the females, but can't you see why they wouldn't want to have that nagging doubt?

[PB&J 1,086]

ED can happen for a variety of issues besides lack of arousal. In fact, without the arousal, all the viagra in the world isn't going to help.I played with an old friend on a house party Saturday who in our first session had a little difficulty because he'd worked a 12 hour shift that day. The spirit was definitely willing, but the flesh was a tad weak. So he popped one, and within a few minutes we were having a fine old time in the group room. Was I offended? Hell no. I'm sure he's not the first playmate who's used 'em, but he felt comfortable enough with me that he didn't mind me knowing, so that's all cool.

[sweet_tna 680]

I personally would not be offended if I found out a playmate of mine popped a viagra/cialis/whatever to help him through the night. I'm not naive enough to think that it's because he's not into me and needs a "cheat" to help him get past it.

 

The way I see it, we'd both have a better time if he took the little bit of help he needed.

 

=)

[JustMrJ 178]

I have no problem with people 'using' a little alcohol, to 'loosen' them up. BUT, I've seen some people that get down right inebriated at parties and do things like fall off the bed and crack their head on a dresser. This is too much.

 

Also, I've found that for me, if I have wine or a mixed drink just after arriving, I don't seem to 'last' as long as with water or some other non-alcoholic beverage.

 

Men who use Viagra or similar to overcome psychological ED and/or physical ED seem fine as long as they don't abuse it and end up hurting themselves. It's always good to consult a doctor before using something like Viagra or Alcohol for that matter to be sure there are no 'hidden' problems with your own physical condition.

 

The male half of one of our regular play couples at parties uses a Viagra, but as he has relayed to us, it's for both longevity during play as well as partially to overcome a mild physical ED issue. My wife enjoys playing with this man just as much as others she plays with at the parties and has no issue at all with is use of Viagra.

[two4youinswva 3,068]

BUT, I've seen some people that get down right inebriated at parties and do things like fall off the bed and crack their head on a dresser.

 

That's odd, because once I took too much Viagra at a party and cracked a dresser with my head.

 

 

 

(I have nothing of real value to add to this thread, obviously).

[almostnewbies 18]

I hold nothing against a playmate who feels the need to pop a little blue pill to facilitate my pleasure! I know he needs to be aroused in order for it to work so it's not cheating or him "taking one for the team" when he does use Viagra or whatever. I also believe if it helps alleviate his psychological or swinging ED and helps him have a better time playing then there's no harm/shame in taking something to help him overcome it.

 

~T

She's T and He's R

[iapr 24]

So needing a drink to lower ones inhibitions to swing = bad.

 

Needing a pill to overcome ones anxiety to swing = no problem?

 

Viagra is not an antianxiety medication at all. It is a vasodialator. It's action is completely physiological and not psychological at all. If someone cannot achieve an erection due to psychological problems or stress or anxiety viagra may not help that.

 

As I said earlier it is not an aphrodisiac and it does not GIVE you an erection. It may assist in the vasodialation of the penis if a state of arousal exists but one must still be aroused/stimulated for the erection to occur.

 

Now that being said sometimes all the stimulation needed may be some gal brushing up against your arm while walking down the hall.......

[Chicup 42]

Viagra is not an antianxiety medication at all. It is a vasodialator. It's action is completely physiological and not psychological at all. If someone cannot achieve an erection due to psychological problems or stress or anxiety viagra may not help that.

 

Yea I kinda know that. The point is that if you need viagra to swing but not normally its because you need easier erections to overcome whatever your psychological hang up is with swinging.

 

As I said earlier it is not an aphrodisiac and it does not GIVE you an erection. It may assist in the vasodialation of the penis if a state of arousal exists but one must still be aroused/stimulated for the erection to occur.

 

Now that being said sometimes all the stimulation needed may be some gal brushing up against your arm while walking down the hall.......

 

So it makes getting hard easier, which again was my point.

[MrkLin 393]

The point is that if you need viagra to swing but not normally its because you need easier erections to overcome whatever your psychological hang up is with swinging.

 

Or maybe you just want to be able to get it up several times in one night.

 

I think it's a bit simplistic to say that, "if you need viagra to swing but not normally its because you need easier erections to overcome whatever your psychological hang up is with swinging." Just as it's a bit simplistic to say that if a man doesn't immediately get hard with a woman, he's taking one for the team. It's not that cut and dried.

 

There have been lots of threads about men not getting an erection, and there are just as many reasons why a guy finds it difficult to perform at any given moment. If he has a little blue pill to eliminate any physical problems, what's the harm?

 

The major problem with your comparison between alcohol and Viagra, Chicup, is that alcohol is a mind-altering chemical. Viagra isn't. Viagra does have physical effects on the male body, but no mind-altering effect. Alcohol will reduce inhibitions, effect judgment, mood, coordination, and the ability to sense the fact that you've just wizzed on a dumpster behind the Circle K at 3am. Viagra will just make you the most popular man at the party - if for no other reason than you have the ability to carry donuts without using your hands...

[Chicup 42]

Or maybe you just want to be able to get it up several times in one night.

 

I think it's a bit simplistic to say that, "if you need viagra to swing but not normally its because you need easier erections to overcome whatever your psychological hang up is with swinging." Just as it's a bit simplistic to say that if a man doesn't immediately get hard with a woman, he's taking one for the team. It's not that cut and dried.

 

There have been lots of threads about men not getting an erection, and there are just as many reasons why a guy finds it difficult to perform at any given moment. If he has a little blue pill to eliminate any physical problems, what's the harm?

 

The major problem with your comparison between alcohol and Viagra, Chicup, is that alcohol is a mind-altering chemical. Viagra isn't. Viagra does have physical effects on the male body, but no mind-altering effect. Alcohol will reduce inhibitions, effect judgment, mood, coordination, and the ability to sense the fact that you've just wizzed on a dumpster behind the Circle K at 3am. Viagra will just make you the most popular man at the party - if for no other reason than you have the ability to carry donuts without using your hands...

 

So Viagra would be a performance enhancing drug? Do you think men without SwingerED would perhaps feel pressured to take it as well so they too can be popular at the party?

 

While the OP was if women would be bothered by a guy needing a pill to get hard for her, perhaps the question should be, do men feel pressured by those taking recreational viagra to do so as well?

[CXXC 435]

While the OP was if women would be bothered by a guy needing a pill to get hard for her, perhaps the question should be, do men feel pressured by those taking recreational viagra to do so as well?

 

Chicup

Once again, you touch on a very good question. Do men feel pressured to use it to compete with those that do recreationally. Good question. I dont want to hijack my own thread but this does need discussion.

 

As for Viagr not being a mind altering drug, I beg to differ.

1. It works wonders on the man's psycological aspect in swinging. I would call that mildly mind altering. Swinging ED is about performance anxiety. Eliminate that by getting a little boost and the guy feels much better thereby eliminating the depression he would feel as a result of not taking the pill. This is a stretch, but, it has an effect.

 

2. When I took it, I could barely think. Not enough blood went to my brain! HA HA HA Ok. That was bad. Sorry!

 

the biggest issue with alcohol is that if too much is consumed, you end up with whiskey dick. Im not sure 100mg of viagra could compete against that, so I would not suggest it.

 

Women have is so much easier. SIGH!

[Mistral Wind 54]

From Tim-: Mistral's SO

Viagra will help keep a man hard (harder) when he needs it. Nothing will get it hard if she is plain and you do not desire her (Pig ugly is too un-PC to say)

 

Also helps the next 4 to 6 intercourses you might end up shooting blanks and cumming dry but at leat the trigger still works, without the Blue V you miss out and so do the ladies. Hope that helps!

 

Tim x x

[Swing*8701 887]

susan here-- Sometimes I wonder if any of these women that are concerned ever faked an orgasm.

 

Yet, seriously, without arousal, viagra is pretty useless.

[SW_PA_Couple 4,026]

She stated that any man who wishes to use Viagra in order to please a woman is very considerate and should be commended.

Do I get to set forward now to receive my commendation?

[lovinher 505]

As a guy who needs it at times for health reasons I can say it definitely has a psychological impact. There are times that if I don't take one I worry that my buddy may not work which then makes the problem worse, a snowball effect. It's a confidence booster in some ways so I'll pop one just so I don't have to worry about it. So sometimes you never really know if you needed it or not. I guess that could be cheating but you never really know.

[Dave_Patti 15]

As a guy who needs it at times for health reasons I can say it definitely has a psychological impact. There are times that if I don't take one I worry that my buddy may not work which then makes the problem worse, a snowball effect. It's a confidence booster in some ways so I'll pop one just so I don't have to worry about it. So sometimes you never really know if you needed it or not. I guess that could be cheating but you never really know.

 

Cheating? All's fair in love and war....and swinging. Better living through chemistry. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Anyone think of any more cliches?

 

Look, if you have a medical issue, you go to the doctor and get treated for it. ED is no different. And as far as recreational use of Viagra goes, we all use other drugs for recreational purposes. Alcohol and tobacco come to mind.

[Chicup 42]

And as far as recreational use of Viagra goes, we all use other drugs for recreational purposes. Alcohol and tobacco come to mind.

 

I rarely drink and never need to drink to swing, I don't smoke, and I've never taken a recreational drug of any kind at any time, so leave me out of that we all use drugs for recreational purposes.

[The Swing Set 15]

Mrs. CXXC and I were talking the other day and the topic of Viagra came up. She has been with a few men who were clearly using viagra at the parties or clubs we attended.

 

She stated that any man who wishes to use Viagra in order to please a woman is very considerate and should be commended.

 

What do you think, ladies? Do you feel this is cheating or is it a good thing?

 

I can't imagine believing that using viagra is cheating, providing it's being used as a medication for a medical issue. The guy isn't putting a strap-on dildo on and implying that it's *his penis doing the work! That, IMO, would be cheating.

[PB&J 1,086]

I remember Ron Jeremy in an interview on Sex TV discussing whether it was ethical for a porn star to use viagra to get wood.

 

Honestly, I have yet to hear a woman say that there's something wrong with male performance enhancements.

[MrkLin 393]

As for Viagr not being a mind altering drug, I beg to differ.

1. It works wonders on the man's psycological aspect in swinging. I would call that mildly mind altering. Swinging ED is about performance anxiety. Eliminate that by getting a little boost and the guy feels much better thereby eliminating the depression he would feel as a result of not taking the pill. This is a stretch, but, it has an effect.

 

What I meant by 'mind altering drug' is that it isn't something like a narcotic, alcohol, or any similar compounds. Yes, it might have a psychological effect as you say, but that isn't a physiological effect of the drug. I mean look at the paragraph I quoted - using that logic, a properly displayed pair of fishnet stockings could be considered 'mind-altering.'

 

Things like alcohol or even caffeine or nicotine have an effect on the brain (the big one.) Viagra doesn't. The results of taking the pill might effect the brain (the big one,) but that's not the pill doing it - it's you.

[Chicup 42]

What I meant by 'mind altering drug' is that it isn't something like a narcotic, alcohol, or any similar compounds. Yes, it might have a psychological effect as you say, but that isn't a physiological effect of the drug. I mean look at the paragraph I quoted - using that logic, a properly displayed pair of fishnet stockings could be considered 'mind-altering.'

 

Things like alcohol or even caffeine or nicotine have an effect on the brain (the big one.) Viagra doesn't. The results of taking the pill might effect the brain (the big one,) but that's not the pill doing it - it's you.

 

This is actually a more interesting question than it would appear on the surface.

 

Sex is 'in the mind' as they say. If a guy without physical issue can't get it up swinging, then its a mental problem. Viagra makes it easier for the man with swingerED, despite his mind not being in a hard place, circumvent his normal inhibitions.

 

Since say Viagra works by inhibiting an enzyme thats part of the end product neurotransmitters that regulate an erection, its not a stretch to say that it does effect the nervous system directly.