Club SinDay vs Club 2830 Teen? (Ohio)

[two4youinswva 3,068]

Concerns over "Club Sin Day" before opening -Local12.com

 

The city law director says the owners suggested this "members only" club would be basically a swingers club, something they tell Local 12 they deny ever saying. While the city has granted a permit, the business partners had to put in writing they would obey the law, or else be prosecuted.[/i]

 

I'm guessing it will be an off-premises club.

 

Anyone else have a guess, or know for sure?

[VanHlebar 187]

We live very very close to this new "club" and we have talked with some folks that know. It is going to be a swing club for sure. The biggest issue that it probably is going to hinge on is the definition of "adult entertainment".

 

Now with that being said, MrsVan and I have driven past this club a number of times. It used to be a bar over the years. This club is way to close to the main drag if you for out taste. No way even if things settle down would we be willing to goto this club. I don't really care if folks know about our lifestyle, but I don't really want to go out of my way to tell folks either. This club sits about 100 feet or so off a major roadway in the area that has fairly high traffic.

 

I wish the club owners a lot of luck and the area really can use a new club, but I am afraid it is destined to fail. Just my thoughts...

 

-Van

[Guest MrsVan]

We know that it is suppose to be a swing club however the wording that is being used in the articles about it makes me think otherwise because of the city's ordinance and what the city is limiting on the club. I just do not see how it will be like any other swing club we have been to.

 

As MrVan said, the club is on a busy road and sits to close to the road for my taste. I grew up in the area where it is being built so I do not need to be outed by my family if they see me going in and out of this club. However, I would have to say it would be an off premise club because in years past I have been in this location it is very small. It is big enough to hold a dance floor, the bar area, tables and that is about it. I would assume since it is opening this Spring that there is no expansion or remodeling of the club being done therefore I think it would be very tight for any play areas.

 

I wish the owners luck in regards to the opening of the club. While we need more clubs around our area and I think they are on the right track. However, I think that the city and it's residents will be watching this club closely and with that being said it may be difficult to continue to operate.

 

I hope that the club is successful and I wish them the very best in the fight against the city as I think it is going to be a long one. I wish I could say we will be checking it out but I do not think that will happen just because of location and publicity at this point in time.

 

MrsVan

[LOL_OMG 130]

My thoughts, from over here in the East side of Ohio, are they already have strike one just with the name. Club Sinday? Might as well put a sign on the roof with an arrow pointing down saying 'Swingers Inside'. And isn't that area the home of the infamouus group that went after the Strippers? with the born again Porno addict leading the charge? Just wonderin.

 

Mr. Omg

[VanHlebar 187]

My thoughts, from over here in the East side of Ohio, are they already have strike one just with the name. Club Sinday?

Mr. Omg

 

The name is a play of words for the road that it is located on, although most folks even in the area most likely won't catch it. The club is located on a road named Cincinnati-Dayton Rd...hence SinDay

 

That being said, this place is a trap waiting to happen. Things I have gleaned from news, and folks that have been to the club.

 

1. "IF" it is not a swing club, then it is destined to fail. They want a $60 annual membership plus the typical door fee. Why go here if it really is an off premise club, when there is an on premise club 20 miles away that is cheaper and an "ok" club. Not great, but it is on premise..."IF" this is really an off premise club, the price alone, plus having to BYOB just seems too high to me. If you don't like the one club that is closest, you can always drive to Dayton and check out one of two clubs up there also.

 

2. Folks that are "in the know" have sent out emails to our group that indicates to me that it might really be on premise. They have a back area that is for "more intimate settings". Now they did not spell out what you could do there, but the rest of the email sure indicated that it was what you would expect of an on premise club, but that is just me drawing my own conclusions.

 

3. I would not goto this club period. As I stated before, it is located about 100 feet off a very busy, high traffic road AND the city really doesn't want the club open. Every single religious person, group will be watching this place like a hawk. Even if no sex is going on in the club, you can bet the fire marshals will be in there and any other group to "verify" that they are in compliance with the "code". Besides these groups, I can almost bet that the news will be "alerted" the first time they make a "check in" on the club and well I just don't see this as a good thing.

 

I would love to see the club be successful, but I just can't see how it will be, but I could be wrong.

[Guest MrsVan]

My daughter (who is 16) told us last night that there is a new teen club in our area called Club 2830. My husband and I look at each other cause we know that address. This is the address of Club Sinday in Ohio. So I am looking at the Club 2830 website along with the Club Sinday site and so far I am seeing that these are both the same club and maybe the name is changing?

 

My question about this is it really true that what I am hearing is that Club 2830 is going to be a TEEN club for 14-17??? I am seeing that Club 2830 is for 21 and up but now I am not sure what to believe. I am really hoping that we are not turning a swingers club into a club also for teenagers as I will be highly upset.

 

Does anyone in the Ohio area know anything about Club Sinday versus Club 2830?

 

MrsVan

[slevin 1,374]

Have you contacted the club owners?

[Guest MrsVan]

I have not contacted the owners. I researched this further and I have found the website my daughter is referring to. I am seeing a club 2830 as a TEEN club. I am shocked that this could really be happening. So now I do not know whether or not the private club is going away or if we are using the same space for both a private club and a teen club.

 

MrsVan

[VegasLee 1,486]

The best move would to be contact the owners.

 

Always best to get things from the horse's mouth.

[VanHlebar 187]

So I just confirmed that the club is in fact running on Sunday nights as a teen club. I spoke with someone who is friends with the owner and she indicated that it has been running this way for two weeks now.

 

Personally I think this is a terrible decision! Mixing sexually oriented business with teens is just asking for trouble. This club has stripped poles and a few locations set up as play areas. I understand the need to make money from clubs, but I draw the line at something like this. We already deal with the conservatives trying to say we do this and they need to protect the kids, well in this case how or what do they think the public perception will be of mixing the two? I realize they are on different nights, but lets face it, the general public will not dig much for that, they will quickly jump to the fact that it is a sex club and they allow teens into the club. Just not a good thing for the lifestyle in our area in my opinion.

[funcoupledayton 2,708]

That does seem pretty mixed up. I wonder what they do with the play areas on Sunday nights. It just seems like a bad idea to have teen parties at a swingers club.

 

I would think most parents would be hesitant to allow their kids to go there if they knew it was a swingers club on Fri and Sat. It seems like they are looking for trouble. I believe Middletown had some issues with an adult oriented club opening in town and they started as off-premise. I would think a teen club would put them in the spotlight again.

[LikeMinds321 1,527]

This doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

[two4youinswva 3,068]

The club we attend is at a former nightclub at a hotel. It is an off-premises club.

The kicker is, after our Saturday night parties, the hotel rents it to a church for services on Sunday morning.

 

Kind of weird, but still, not as weird as being converted into a teen club the next night, IMHO.

[fun4Ds 1,098]

VanHlebar said:

So I just confirmed that the club is in fact running on Sunday nights as a teen club. I spoke with someone who is friends with the owner and she indicated that it has been running this way for two weeks now.

 

Personally I think this is a terrible decision! Mixing sexually oriented business with teens is just asking for trouble. This club has stripped poles and a few locations set up as play areas. I understand the need to make money from clubs, but I draw the line at something like this. We already deal with the conservatives trying to say we do this and they need to protect the kids, well in this case how or what do they think the public perception will be of mixing the two? I realize they are on different nights, but lets face it, the general public will not dig much for that, they will quickly jump to the fact that it is a sex club and they allow teens into the club. Just not a good thing for the lifestyle in our area in my opinion.

 

Bad idea, to generate revenue. Juice bars (as they are known around here) don't last long.... Usually, because of some sort of drama.

[Meetussoon 68]

This is a bad idea. Innapropriate, risky for political/legal reasons, and not worth any financial gain.

[VegasLee 1,486]

From a business standpoint I can understand the need in todays market to need to bring in some additional income.

 

At the same time because of the way the general public is about "us" I tend to believe I would not be making a mixed use of Swingers and teens.

 

I think it would be best to either raise their price a bit for the Swingers nights or add a Sunday for Swingers to the mix. We have found Sundays to be our third best night of the week at the club.

 

I believe they are going to get attention that they don't really want doing something like this.

 

Every "teen" club I have ever seen opened up also did not really last that long. There are always problems with them and end up taking heat from officials anyway. This could bite them two ways if they are not careful.

[Chicup 41]

What are they thinking? It would require a lot of thought to think of a worse idea. I can already read the local paper column now.

Betsy Pure had been to Club 2830 with her friends one Sunday, where she had Juice and talked with her friends from school while listening to whatever music the kids listen to these days. Betsy had such a good time she called a friend of hers the next Saturday to go again to club 2830, they wouldn't get there until quite late, but being Saturday that wouldn't be much of a problem. They got there after 11:30, the lot was full, but for some reason no one was at the door. Betsy and her friend decided to just walk into what they thought was Club 2830. What Betsy didn't know was that Club 2830 was not open on Saturdays, but at the same location, Club Sinday a 'wife swappers' club was.

[bbarnsworth 2,637]

Time to detonation: 10...9...8...7...

 

This WILL blow up. Guaranteed. Epic fail decision.

[ClubSinDay 15]

The club has already had teen night many time, no public problems, in fact we used off duty city police as security. The play areas, as they have been called are locked off by two walks that were made just for this, and the dance poles are locked away. We even encourage the parents if they like to attend the club while teens are there, there is nothing to be seen that says anything sexual. In fact even on reg swing nights, we don't play x-rated movies, nor have x-rated pics up. If you look at that club pics that are up on the teen site, you will see its a classy club, the teens are protected, and in fact see more at school or home then they will ever see at teen night.

This club designed to be many different things, it has been open a year now, with no problems whatsoever in fact the police department called to tell us what a great job we were doing, by not having them called out, or having trouble there.

I understand there will be those that won't like this idea, and from the ones that have wrote, I didn't see any that were even members from the club. If you were members you would have seen how it was designed and see that there would be no problems.

We didn't go into this blind. Believe it or not, we have had big teen parties with over 250 kids there. But we didn't make it a big deal, why? Because of things like this thread. We also had many of the same couples who wrote on this thread also tell us we wouldn't last 6 weeks because the city wouldn't allow a club like our there. Here we are a year old and no issues. Sometimes it is better to just keep quiet about things rather then brag.

Too many people always want to be the trouble makers behind a screen. If you truly feel you can't come to the club, because someone other than a swinger danced on our floor, then so be it, don't come. But most everyone who is already a member at our club, knows we always make sure they are safe. In fact, when we opened the club up, no one would have known we even opened, but it was member from another club who called the papers, trying to get us closed by the churches. We have done everything legal in opening the club, and operating the club.

[Chicup 41]

I'm not saying you couldn't do it right, or that you are somehow exposing children to swinging.

 

I'm saying the hypocrisy with a halo crowd will have a field day if they figure it out.

[LikeMinds321 1,527]

You have one upcoming event listed for Sunday, June 27. Do you only open when you schedule an event? If I was a parent, I'd want to know your hours of operation and your Teen site doesn't mention regular operating hours.

 

How many teen nights have you had and when was your first? Were these private parties or publicly announced? How long has your website for Club 2830 Teen been up? How many teens usually attend and how often have parents attended with their children?

[ClubSinDay 15]

Well since you all have very much tried to convince each other that the club was going to be a failure, we have since just had our one year anniversary. In fact, we even got a call from the local police thanking us for not being a problem to their community. They also thought that swingers were rude, drunks, and would be called out just about every weekend, we showed them we were there to stay, and would in fact be no problem.

 

Our lawyers showed them their own city laws, which did not exclude a swingers club, and also the state law. By the kindness of the city officials we were given a chance, and proved we were less trouble then any local regular bar they have in their city, in fact, with 0% trouble. Heck even the Olive Garden had more problems the we did.

 

We moved the entrance from the front to the back, so no one see's who is coming or going from the club. We take great pride in all we do, and ensure the members safety, including a security guard who drives around the lot. We also have a limo driver for those that choose to stay at a local hotel, as to not to drink and drive. Two local hotels have even given our members special rates if your coming to our club, instead of $69.00 they let you have the room for $40 bucks.

 

We don't have everything perfect, but we are working hard to be as great a club as any. And to read post from those who aren't even members down something they have no idea about, is just plain stupid, and I would guess a couple of these post are from owners or members from other clubs who have tried in the past to get us closed.

[ClubSinDay 15]

Teen night is only on Sunday's and only through the summer. We have had as little as 125 kids there, to well over 250. Just depends on what the kids want to do that night. We did a few test nights, to see if the kids would be interested in attending a dance club. And with the 4 night we have done this it went over very well.

Please, don't take what I have written as trying to be an asshole... It is just we are trying hard to make sure we keep everyone safe, and having fun, we would never expose children to anything dealing with the lifestyle. The club is set up mostly like a dance club, and anything to do with the lifestyle is locked away, where no one can see it. This even includes dance poles. Parents can come along with their children and watch over them if they like, we have no problem with that. See for yourselves, when we transform the club, it looks like a regular dance club.

[VanHlebar 187]

I am very glad to see that the club has been a success. As I stated before, I really was hoping it would work out as the area needs more clubs not less.

 

With that being said, since you are here I would live to read a response to the post started that discusses the club's decision to use the space as a teen club on Sunday nights. I would be very interested in hearing about the thought process involved in allowing teens into a club that is a known adult entertainment location.

[bbarnsworth 2,637]

ClubSinDay said:

the club has already had teen night many time, no public problems, in fact we used off duty city police as security, the play areas, as they have been called are locked off by... in fact, when we opened the club up, no one would have known we even opened, but it was member from another club who called the papers, trying to get us closed by the churches. We have done everything legal in opening the club, and operating the club.

 

Speaking for myself, I agree with Chicup. The issue here isn't how you are running the club. For me, the issue is the assessment you've made of the at large public and how it would react to this situation, if known. Your assessment is in my opinion a failure. Have you made it work? Yes. Personally, I appreciate the great lengths you've gone to keep the club on the up and up and working with the community as opposed to against it.

 

Recently, a local (to me) property owner attempted to open a campground that would have been lifestyle friendly. This campground also tried to sell itself as a potential Boy Scout camp in the "off" season. They were attempting to serve two markets where one had children involved. There were a variety of reasons why this campground idea failed. One of them most emphatically was the public's perception of trying to host Boy Scouts on the same ground, even if not the same time, as lifestyle friendly events.

 

Safety of children is a third rail in our society. People routinely over react in illogical ways when there is the slightest question of impropriety when it comes to children. Most communities in the U.S. react very poorly to legitimate attempts to open a swingers club. Not to say that it is impossible, as the presence of so many swingers clubs proves, but it is difficult at best. Add in kids? It's like attempting to carry nitroglycerin during an 8.0+ earthquake.

 

That you've been open under this format for a year is great. It does not, however, prove you will weather the storms that will be visited upon you. Of course, we can't prove a negative. We can't prove the storms will never happen or never will. I do, however, consider it highly likely. If it is to be avoided, you are probably doing the best job of it.

[VanHlebar 187]

I am glad to read your posts about the club. As I have stated a number of times in this thread and in the other thread, we have not been to the club so most of our assumptions could very well be incorrect.

 

I still think that even if you ARE doing it correct and the kids don't see anything, I agree with Chicup, that this is just giving potential energy to the folks that already want to see the club shut down. Just because the club has had no issues with the law, don't fool yourself that there is not anyone out there in that city still working on shutting the place down.

 

Again, I am glad the club is doing well and I know a number of folks that have been to the club and they all have nothing but great things to say about the club. I just think mixing the two, teens and adult is dangerous and not a positive thing to do. That is just my opinion and I would say it if this was the Bristol's strip club that used to run on 63, had they made the choice to do something similar. The fact that it is now also known as a teen club, only puts more attention onto the club. More and more folks will now know that there is a club there and although your club is only open for teens on Sunday nights, again what happens when a group of parents bring their kids there and drop them off on a Saturday night, not realizing that the club isn't open for teens that night?

 

Most folks that are in the lifestyle want things to be discreet. They do not want everyone in town to know that they are going to the club and I just feel that by using the club for "dual" purpose puts more light onto the club and not in a great way.

 

Just my .02 worth.

[ClubSinDay 15]

Ok. First thank you for taking your time to write, and sure ill answer question best as I can...

When we designed the club, we designed it to be many different things, depending on what the economy, and the people around the club, (meaning with in a 100 mile radius).

We also secured a private club permit, rather then an adult entertainment permit. We are not listed as a adult entertainment venue. This gives us the freedom to be anything we like, as long as we show proper membership forms for all those that join over the age of 21, this also means as a private club we can open the doors to teens once a week, to have teen night, by doing this, we also knew that we had to make sure that the teens were not exposed to what mom and dad do at the club. We built walls, and other things so when the teens come in, they see nothing but a regular teen dance club. With extreme lights and sound. We have done this teen night four times now, also using off duty law enforcement as security. We even invite parent to attend with their teens if they feel they need to make sure their teens are ok. We have had many parents who come to the club, let their teens come to the teen nights, because they saw how much effort went into the club to make it safe. It hard to explain all we have done, but if you were to see it, you would see there is no problem.

Teens have never tried to get in the club any other night then the nights we posted as teen night. Sure some know it is a swingers club other nights only because a lot of people who go to other clubs and owners have tried many ways to shut us down, but none have cared due to the fact, how clean, and nice we keep the club, plus nothing to be seen that shows anything other then a dance club. We have even had private parties there for weddings, and birthday's. In fact even had a Halloween party there, from the local hospital. Yes everyone in middletown knows we are there, not because we let it out but because of people trying so hard to get us closed a year ago, I.E. Other club owners and club members, who feared we would attract some of their members.

We never lied to the local officials, or hide anything. In fact we went straight to them when we applied for the permits . We asked for a meeting with the city attorney and police chief, sure they weren't keen on the idea at first, but one year later, and 0% incidents. We got a call from the local police, saying thank you for not being a problem. They believed that lifestylers would be like all the other clubs at that location, trouble. But since we offer a limo to and from the club from the local hotels, and we encourage everyone to leave their drama at home, or be escorted out for the night. We have been a quiet, fun safe place for a little over a year now. And we use our lawyers for ever move we make to make sure we aren't breaking a law, or doing anything that might hurt anyone at the club.

[ClubSinDay 15]

Well, the teen know upfront, we are only open for teens on Sunday, just like the club in the mall, in Fairfield. It is an adult club, but teens night is Sunday. They know when they can come or not, and believe me, I know there is always someone who is always after trying to close anything down they don't approve of. Every swing club in America will have this issue, but if you have the right lawyers, and follow the laws as written, then you're always going to be safe.

 

We follow laws, and follow the rules. I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but like I said, you can't make everyone happy, even those parents we have at the club had doubt, but I begged them to bring the teens the first time, and their teens came back again and again, so did their parents.

 

Kings Island had gay pride days, and men and women kissing in public, and churches are way against that, but guess what, the churches still bring their groups there, even after they tried like hell to stop the rainbow.

[two4youinswva 3,068]

well since you all have very much tried to convince each other that the club was going to be a failure we have since just had our one year anniversary. in fact, we even got a call from the local police thanking us for not being a problem to their community.

 

Congratulations on your first year of operation. In our experience, most clubs don't make it past a month or two, so you've already beaten the odds.

I think zero police calls should be the standard for about every club. The club we are regulars at have not had a police call in over five years of existence.

 

If you spend a little time reading the threads in the Swingers in The News forum, you'll see the reason for our skepticism and cynicism. Every few weeks or so, there is a story about a new club that does things the wrong way, IE: without a lawyer, misleading public officials, breaking alcohol laws, etc. etc. etc. It really, really pisses us off.

 

We actually got caught up in such a situation a couple years ago. The owners of a new club spent thousands on refurbishing the facility, and putting in very nice furniture, plasma TVs, multiple bars and a great dance floor. They did everything right, except one thing: They didn't tell the city what they were up to. Of course, the city found out, and had the place shut down in a matter of hours. The local paper did a big story on it, and threw in an expose on swinglifestyle.com's website, including how many locals were members of the site. You can imagine the letters to the editor that followed.

As VegasLee says, these people really screw things up for the rest of us.

 

 

The news articles cited indicated some controversy involved when you were preparing to open. Those of us that follow these type issues began to think this was possibly another one of "those" situations. Obviously we were wrong, and are very happy to be wrong in this case.

 

.......i would guess a couple of these post are from owners or members from other clubs who have tried in the past to get us closed.

All of the members that posted to this thread prior to your reply have been on here for a few years, including the owner of the board. I can guarantee you that none of those that posted are club owners. I'll also say that each of them are happy to hear of your success so far.

 

Congratulations again on the opening, and your one-year anniversary. It sounds like you're doing it right, and that's a good thing! We don't head north very much, but hey, you've given us at least one reason to go to Middletown now.

[VegasLee 1,486]

ClubSinDay,

 

Congrats on making it through your first year!

 

Honestly, most don't make it that long. In the last thirty years I have seen more clubs that are open total today come and go within months. You have done a good thing be being upfront with the locals and the law in your area. Very good job.

 

Hope you continue to do well and the "teen" thing pans out for you. I have seen a 100% failure rate of "teen clubs" here in Vegas and a couple of other states that I have business dealings in. Hope you are the exception to the rule.

 

You did something most can not with a Swing club so you might be the ones to pull off the teen club.

 

Good luck to you guys!

[ClubSinDay 15]

Thanks so much for the well wishes, and please I hope I didn't sound to much like an ass, just been a rough year. I don't know any of you from this site, so if I assumed wrong about club owners or members, I'm sorry, this past year we did have several calls for the local police about calls from out of the city, and those calls about how we were doing things we shouldn't be doing, and drugs, and anything else you can think of, one would think that, with another club opening, it would only help the lifestyle as well as the clubs. I believe in safety in numbers. We even made sure before we opened, if we were far enough away from other clubs as to not, drain one club to fill another. And yet, we had trouble from 4 clubs, one was even an hour and a half away from us. 2 of them have since closed.

It is very hard trying to make everyone happy, at the same time trying to keep the club making enough money just to operate. So once again, I'm sorry for stating a few things I shouldn't have, and hope anyone that is near our club, to at least give us a try. And if you still feel we aren't for you, that's cool, I understand.. Right now we have over 2500 memberships, which I assume isn't bad for being open only a year.. And to the answer of the person who wrote that their club hasn't had a cop there in over 5 years, I hope we too can go as long. The building we are in use to be a haven for trouble, so it was looked upon as a bad place, and we hope that the city feels we have been nothing but good people there.. We are a half mile away from the nearest house and church, so no one really ever just walks by the place...Lol

[fun4Ds 1,098]

Uh, I'll eat my crow... medium rare

 

Congratulations on keeping things cool, ClubSinDay. Mrsfun and I would like to take ya up on that invitation sometime

 

A big welcome to the Swingers Board We hope you will visit us here in the forums often, with some obviously great swinging experience as club owners.

[ClubSinDay 15]

thanks fun4D, we look forward to your visit to the club, and also to chat more often on this site.

[Guest MrsVan]

ClubSinDay,

 

Please know that we do NOT look for your club to not be successful. We actually hope that it is a successful club but you have to understand where I am coming from regarding you using the club on Sunday's for a teen club. I think this is a very bad mix and is going to give the community more fuel to try to get you shut down if they ever find out a swingers club is opening up on Sunday's for a teen club. They are not going to look at what you do to make it a "teen club" by eliminating things that are adult oriented. They are clearly going to look that you have a swingers club and are opening the doors to teens. Period.

 

Being a parent in the LS this is something that bothers me the most is that you are using the club for a teen night. I have 2 daughters that are in the age range of going to your club and I personally will not allow my daughters to go for fear of what will come out about this club. You say that the teens know it is only open on Sunday. Well, what if the teens go talking to their other friends (and we know the telephone game real well at this age lol) and they tell their friends about this new club opening but do not tell them it is only open on Sundays. So a parent who is driving their child to this facility on a Friday or Saturday night not knowing anything about the club drops the child off and drives away. Now you have a child at the adult club outside. You do not think the parent is going to get upset when they have to come back to get their child and maybe find out what the club really is.

 

As I have said before, I do not want to see bad come to your club and hope that you are successful. I have lived in this area for 30 years and I know how this area is with things like this. I can remember when Bristol's the strip club came into the area and how the community kept trying to find ways to get the place shut down. This community is against things like this and I just fear of what having a teen club in a swingers club will do.

 

I wish you the best and wish that we could make a visit to your club but it is too close for comfort.

[crystalpleasure 15]

I'm glad that this club has been operating without any problems and has overcome the hurdles required for it to open. I applaud all businiss owners brave enough to try and open a lifestyle oriented business, otherwise many of us would not have a place to play.

 

That being said, the whole "dual use" idea for this club seems like a poor one at its core.

 

I am wondering how many adults that use the club, are also comfortable sending thier teens there? Do the parents who send teens to the dance club know of its swinging alter ego? How many of the teens know of the clubs use as a sexy swinger location? If they dont know now it will only be a matter of time. Maybe this is part of the appeal to the teens? I am suspecting that the teen crowd and the swinger crowd come from different demographics and different households?

 

We are trying to keep our swinging activities separate from our kids lives. If my child grows up and decided to be a swinger I'm fine with that. However I dont need them to know about swinging while they are teens. I dont want them to be encouraged in any particular direction with their sexuality while they are too young to make informed decisions. The main thing I want them learning as teens is to make good informed decisions, be openminded, and hopefully communicate with their parents more openly about sexual questions and issues they have. (at least more open than most of our parents were with us...)

 

To me this seems a little like opening a casino in vegas just for teens. Since it uses only fake monopoly money its OK and not hurting anyone right? Surely its not encouraging those teens to gamble when they hit 21 right?

 

How many of you as (30 or 40 or 50 somethings) think that you would have been able to handle the issues that need to be embraced to be a successful swinger back in your teens or early twenties? Would you have had the maturity and trust and open communcation with your partner? Seems like swinging is a concept that you need to be exposed to as an adult and a decision that needs to be made as a mature adult.

[ClubSinDay 15]

well i understand your concerns, but as i have said in the past post, we have done this teen club 4 times in the last 2 months, and have had very big turn outs. in fact yes even cpls who come to the club, have let their children come to the teen club, they had even come in to make sure there were no adult oriented things around. and as of yet, we have not had anyone try to bring their teen on a saturday or friday to drop them off. also like i have said, the club was designed to be more then one thing, but if you have been you cant see what has been done. I also understand some people wont let their teens come because they know what it is on other nights, but this hasnt effected us. One thing i dont like that was said, was that just because a teen comes to our club they are learning about swinging,, what kind of crap is that? do you think everyone working there is trying to recruit? this is just a stupid remark, everyone in and around that area, know our club is there. like i said, other club members and owners made sure the news was all over it just before we opened. we have nothing to hide because we didnt try to hide. So far our teen nights have been a success, sure some wont come, because they feel they adhere to a higher level. or maybe of fear, but so far it has worked just fine, and with using off duty law enforcement, this also insures these teens are safe. believe me with on line free sex video, tweeter and face book, and so many other things out there teens can get a hold of, them going to a dance club with nothing around , not even a picture on the ways, will all of the sudden make them go wild and be on some girl gone wild DVD. plus what about those who have house parties and have teens, may a teen find a condom wrapper, or even if they come home early or the hotel parties that a lot of swinger attend, and get wild, you do know that you cant keep the general public out of the pool area or bar area, if they are a guest at the hotel, that mean teens and younger children get to see this. there are so many different things that can happen. im not saying teens or their parents dont know about this club, what im saying is, when teens are there, and their parents are welcome to join them, they will see nothing but a dance area, a bar area, and bathrooms, nothing more, nothing that relates to sex in any way.

[VegasLee 1,486]

 

To me this seems a little like opening a casino in vegas just for teens. Since it uses only fake monopoly money its OK and not hurting anyone right? Surely its not encouraging those teens to gamble when they hit 21 right?

 

Personally I think this is out of line. By the sounds of everything they have done they are not trying to educate Teens about swinging.

 

Kids have graduation parties at the convention halls here in Vegas at the CASINO'S and that is also not teaching them about gambling.

 

I feel you have taken that a bit to far with that example.

 

Good parents educate their children about life. Those that are educated don't fall for such nonsense.

[crystalpleasure 15]

Did not mean to imply that the teen dance club was in any way trying to educate teens about swinging or trying to "recruit" them in any way. Obviously they are not. You and I know that most swingers would certainly not tell kids about our activities much less try and recruit them to our "side". However it is not a big leap to think that parents who dont know anything about the lifestyle to have unfounded concerns that their teens may be exposed to "people like us" at the club.

 

What is the most common comment on news stories doing an expose on the local swinger club? The man on the street interviews with a local commenting that we dont want "that kind" of person in our community. If they only knew how many of "that kind" of people resided there and that we are pretty much like them in most respects. But I'm getting off topic.

 

My main point is that the teens who attend dances there will eventually come to know what goes on the days they are not allowed to attend. Teens are naturally curious and with a little internet research at least some of them will find out what happens between consenting adults there on the non-teen club nights. Then the word will spread like ....well....like it does on the internet. Will that knowlege among the teens make it "cooler' for them to attend dances there? Maybe, maybe not. At some point you have to assume that most if not all of the teens will understand the "dual use" nature of the club. If anyone thinks that the teens will continue going to the club and never uderstand the nature of the adult club are fooling themselves. Will that knowlwge make the teens go out and make a "girls gone wild" video? Probably not. But they will learn about at least one more sexual lifestyle choice made by adults that most of us never would have dreamed existed when we were that age.

 

I think it is great that the owners have a successful adult club AND I think it is awesome that they are giving local teens an apparently very safe and fun place to dance and party.

 

While I wish both clubs success, I think they would have been better off running them in separate locations. The dual use idea for the same building seems likely to backfire eventually hurting both sides of the business.

[Guest MrsVan]

To Club SinDay,

 

I first have to say that you are wrong that the community knows about this club as far as it being a swinger club. The news reports around here when it first came out was that it was a "private club". It did not report it was a swingers club cause if they did, the community would NOT have allowed this to happen ( again from experience of living here for so long). People that mention this club that are NOT in the lifestyle do not know what goes on in this club. So you cannot say that people know it is a swingers club cause IF parents of teens that are not in the lifestyle found out about it being a swingers club on Friday and Saturday they would NOT let their kids attend this club and you can bet they would put up a big stink with the city about you having a dual club and having teens in this location.

 

I am all for having a place for teens to hang out that is safe, but I disagree with what you are doing. I understand you have had success over the course of the time that this has been open for the teens but give it time. When the community finds out what really goes on in this club with the adults, the news will come down on this club like no other cause they are only going to see that you are having teens attend a club at a swingers club location. And that is all they will need to know.

 

Like I have said I wish you the best but I think this was VERY POOR JUDGEMENT!

 

MrsVan

[ClubSinDay 15]

You know, i almost started to write another big long post defending the club. but then i thought I have wrote enough, and no matter what I write, it wont matter to some people anyways, once people get set in their minds about something, you cant change it. more so if they just are trying to find things to pick on. I dont expect you Mrs Van to bring your teens to our club, and Im way OK with that, like i have said we have had many nights already of teen nights, and alot of the teens are from people who also attend the club. i guess you wont be ever be staying at the ramada inn in town, or a few other hotels that let them have swingers parties there. or maybe stay clear of people who have house parties, because kids may live there, but just out for the night. i respect your opinion as to not come to our club, and hope that what ever club you go to you have fun. and are always safe.

[slevin 1,374]

You know, i almost started to write another big long post defending the club. but then i thought I have wrote enough, and no matter what I write, it wont matter to some people anyways, once people get set in their minds about something, you cant change it. more so if they just are trying to find things to pick on. I dont expect you Mrs Van to bring your teens to our club, and Im way OK with that, like i have said we have had many nights already of teen nights, and alot of the teens are from people who also attend the club. i guess you wont be ever be staying at the ramada inn in town, or a few other hotels that let them have swingers parties there. or maybe stay clear of people who have house parties, because kids may live there, but just out for the night. i respect your opinion as to not come to our club, and hope that what ever club you go to you have fun. and are always safe.

 

You could have also chosen to address her actual point, rather than dismiss her has being unreasonable. That seems to be a trend with you, in the limited posts I've seen. When you came back to this thread you were dismissing anyone who didn't cheer you on as potential rival club owners. Nothing showed that as a possibility.

 

Her point, as I understand it, is that she is concerned over what the general public's reaction will be when they find out the teen club is also a swingers club. I think you are opening yourself up to a potential issue with that when you have the choice of avoiding it. There are already enough potential issues with running a swinging club; the general public will find any excuse to have an issue with it. Also running a teen club is handing them something to latch onto on a silver platter. Whether it should be an issue or not is irrelevant. I wouldn't risk it; I'd be going out of my way, as you have in other areas, to make sure I am above reproach.

 

I understand that perspective, and were I to run a swing club I doubt I would mix in a teen club as well. I hope it all works out for you though. Good luck with the club!

[ClubSinDay 15]

Well if you read all my post you would know, that we have done this a few times, and we did this by putting out fliers, at local bowling alleys, skate rinks, malls, so it not like the community doesnt know a teen night is going at at a club, that was in the local paper as a social club, which caters to swingers. i answered this a few times in my pass post, im not looking for anyone to pat me on the back, i only said, if she didnt want to come to our club, then it was her choice same as anyone else who comes or doesnt come. I respect what she has to say, but i also have my views too. our club is to close to her home that she wont attend anyways. but we have several other who live near the club in that city who do come. the city once again, knows about the teen club, when we first did it, and the off duty officers had to put in for permission to work at our club. im sure when the parent came in, and there were quite a few, many were looking for things to point out. but we had no problems, and your also right if this was your place you could do as much or as little as you saw fit. I know of a lot of kids who look at youtube also, and you will find a few adult social clubs on there advertising. not our thing.. im not saying she is wrong in her thoughts or your are wrong, we just disagree, and i never talked around any subject that was presented