Wife seems like she should be willing to try swinging but won't

[wpcplindy 68]

I have been talking with the wife about swinging and a MFM on and off for about 7 years and have had a little headway in getting her to consider a bit of swinging or a MFM.

 

We are a mid 30's professional couple,and this is our second marriage for both of us. We have been together about 8 years and I expressed to her when we while we were dating that I had done a bit of swinging in the past, and how exciting I thought it was, to watch and be watched as well as a bit of sharing. She was very curious about it and questioned me about it. She said that one of her fantasies was to take part in an orgy and even said that she had been at a party and stumbled upon several couples partaking in just that, but she just stood and watched but allowed one guy to slip his hands in her pants while watching the activities,and bring her to several orgasms, but she did not go any further than that (I have my doubts on that statement).

 

I have over the last 4 years teased her about doing a MFM threesome and she plays along with the conversation but always ends it by that she could never do that, that I am all she wants and why would I want to watch some one else fuck her.

 

So I told her it was just a hot fantasy of mine and expressed how it would not be cheating etc. and then just left the topic open and over the last few years would express my fantasy when I could without being pushy.

 

She has a very high sex drive and masturbates often and some days when I come home she will express to me that she masturbated so much and had cum so many times that her muscles are sore.

 

Even after we fuck and I fill her up she is still hot for more cock, I tease her often about wanting to bring in a extra male to assist me. She even jokes about the need to have her serviced more.

 

She has told me about her past partners after she was divorced and how many she has had, how big their cocks were, etc. She has also admitted that while she was single and dating she had a fuck buddy that she would hook up at least once a week while she was dating other guys. But of course she didn't when her and I started dating so she has said.

 

Now over the last few years she and I have taken vacations to nude resorts, as well as a couple of vacations to a swingers resort in Mexico. So she has no problem undressing and walking around naked, or having sex on the beach with other couples right next to us watching.

 

But have yet to get her to admit or her to even express interest in a threesome or swinging other than the teasing conversation we have. She says that "she only wants my cock" but then leaves the conversation with a glimmer of hope at times by her comment about she couldn't do it with anyone of my friends or anyone in our town.

 

I am looking to get as may ideas as to how I might overcome this and expand on the conversation during the times it is brought up during our teasing conversations.

[bbarnsworth 2,640]

I have been talking with the wife about swinging and a MFM on and off for about 7 years and have had a little headway in getting her to consider a bit of swinging or a MFM.

 

Reading/responding this in real-time stream of conscious mode. I have only read the above so far, and I have to say...if after 7 years, she's not budged I would say it isn't going to happen. That's no crime or anything.

 

( I have my doubts on that statement )

 

Either you trust her or you do not. It's important to trust in swinging, and trust implicitly.

 

I have over the last 4 years teased her about doing a MFM and she plays along with the conversation but always ends it by that she could never do that, that I am all she wants and why would I want to watch some one else fuck her.

 

My wife had a difficult time wrapping her head around the idea that I would enjoy watching her have sex with other men. I just kept answering in earnest how much the thought turned me on (and still does!) and was born out when finally I got to see this. Society doesn't raise us to think of such thoughts, and if we do such thoughts are evil, immoral, etc. It's very hard programming to get past. Very.

 

Even after we fuck and I fill her up she is still hot for more cock, I tease her often about wanting to bring in a extra male to assist me. She even jokes about the need to have her serviced more.

She has told me about her past partners after she was divorced and how many she has had, how big there cocks were etc. She has also admitted that while she was single and dating she had a fuck buddy that she would hook up at least once a week while she was dating other guys.

 

Past non-married history doesn't a swinger make. There's plenty of things I did when I was single that I would never consider repeating now that I'm married. You've shown that she has a high sex drive. This is not a key ingredient for swingers. In fact, I've seen research that suggests your average swinger has an average sex drive.

 

But of course she didn't when her and I started dating so she has said.

 

Again, either trust or do not trust.

 

But have yet to get her to admit or her to even express interest in a threesome or swinging other than the teasing conversation we have. "She says that she only wants my cock" but then leaves the conversation with a glimmer of hope at times by her comment about she couldn't do it with anyone of my friends or anyone in our town.

 

For some, the fantasy of swinging is all it will ever be.

 

I am looking to get as may ideas as to how I might overcome this and expand on the conversation during the times it is brought up during our teasing conversations.

 

I'm not sure you can. You can't convince her of anything. All you can do is support. With my wife, what was the turning point was not a point, but her. I was patient. We talked until our tongues practically fell out. I didn't push. I just waited for her to grow into the idea. You can't push and expect she'll move. You can't overcome anything with her. She has to overcome it, on her own. My wife swings because *she* wants to. She gets pleasure knowing I am pleased she is fucking someone else, but her primary intent is for herself, not me.

 

That said, if she's willing to have sex with you while other people are watching, etc. you might suggest that you invite a third just for massage, and nothing more. It's a dip-your-toe-in-the-pool sort of thing.

[unusualsuspects 26]

the big thing for my wife in this regard was her feeling comfortable admitting to me that she was attracted to others. It's not just the cock, remember, it's the looks, the flirtation, the eye contact, the kissing, etc. I made the assumption that I think you are making that it's primarily about the sex.

 

Don't jump all the way into the deep end. One thing to do, and this might be hard for you at first, is play the "rating game" while out with your spouse and just point at guys to find her "type" and maybe vice versa. Now, I will admit this isn't representative since it's just physical, but it will get her (and you) more tuned to what each other wants plus open a line of communication that's sexy, and involving sexy thoughts into communication should help things along.

 

Good luck, and welcome to the board!

[The Fuse 1,012]

wpcplindy,

 

bbarnesworth said it very well. If you haven't read some of the threads for new people, I suggest you do so. There are a lot of spouses, mainly husbands, who have questions similar to yours, and have been given some very good advice. You've been a member of this Board for almost a year, so I'll assume you know how to find the threads.

 

Please post back and let us know if you want help finding them, and also, I'd love to hear what your thoughts are after reading them. Nothing is as good as a response to your very own question, I know. But it will also help to know you are far from alone, and to learn from what others have left behind from their discussions.

[TNT 1,155]

wpcplindy said:

 

Now over the last few years she and I have taken vacations to nude resorts, as well as a couple of vacations to a swingers resort in Mexico. So she has no problem undressing and walking around naked, or having sex on the beach with other couples right next to us watching.

 

Most men would consider themselves lucky to have experienced even that.

 

 

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But have yet to get her to admit or her to even express interest in a threesome or swinging other than the teasing conversation we have. "She says that she only wants my cock" but then leaves the conversation with a glimmer of hope at times by her comment about she couldn't do it with anyone of my friends or anyone in our town.

 

I am looking to get as may ideas as to how I might overcome this and expand on the conversation during the times it is brought up during our teasing conversations.

 

Stop the teasing conversations (I did see the word teased/teasing quite a bit in your post) and have a serious, open, honest conversation. How can anyone take someone seriously when all they do is tease?

 

If you want to know what your wife's true feelings are then you need to sit down and talk. You have to let her know your true feelings and encourage her to tell you her true feelings. You both have to trust the other enough to believe what you each are saying.

 

She may not ever want to make your fantasy game a reality, and that's okay, respect that and enjoy your life together....OR...she may come to understand and believe that you want the game to be real and that it's okay if she wants it to be real as well.

 

Fantasy talk/play is not the same as reality. Some never want to go beyond the fantasy, others take the step to make it reality.

 

Swinging isn't for everyone and the only way you'll ever know if it's right for you and your wife is to talk to each other, listen to each other and, trust and respect what each other says.

 

Teresa

[fun4Ds 1,098]

I am looking to get as may ideas as to how I might overcome this and expand on the conversation during the times it is brought up during our teasing conversations.

 

Welcome to the Swingers Board, wpcplindy

 

Is there a possibility you might introduce Mrs wpcplindy, to some of the discussions here. I know when I told Mrs fun about some of the ideas I agree and even disagree with here (in the beginning here ourselves).

 

It became many of conversations over breakfast, sometimes dinner, supper, in the car, in the boat,....... Heck, she even busted in on me in the shower one day to tell me of some sexy people she saw in a profile over on Swinglifestyle.com Mrs.funs over there allot

 

So like I say, bring Mrs wpcplindy to the community here. There are people here who over the years, have helped those who can accept the lifestyle. We do share common interests, sexually, among other things in our own relationships.

 

And those who can't, won't, and even shouldn't. Find support as well....

[wpcplindy 68]

Thank you all for the advice and opinions.

 

I do understand I can't make her or convince her to do anything she doesn't want to do.

 

I do believe that she has more interest in swinging or just MFM threesomes than she has openly admitted to, I cant explain in words why I have this feeling but by her body language and comments she makes while watching TV or in reading her magazine articles tells me different than what she admits to.

 

The latest one about made fall out of my chair she said she "would love to lick this girls pussy" Now why that is such a surprise is I have brought up every guys fantasy of a FMF and her in the past and her reply was always "Get that out of your head because that would never happen she would never do a female. Now to have her openly admit it was out right shocking to me.

 

The vacations that we have taken to the nude resorts were her idea she found them and booked them.

 

The first vacation we took together I was not aware that it was a nude only,I did know what resort she booked but, no thought ever entered my head about the room being booked to the nude side of resort, She informed me as the bell man was taking us to our room. ( and I loved it)

 

I know that teasing and fantasy's are just that and it may never go beyond that. I do however believe that by using both the teasing and fantasy's can help without seeming pushy.

 

I am just looking for all the advice and opinions on how others seemed to get past this, if they did ever get past it.

[Guest screaminggood]

It sounds as if she's leading you at her pace...so let her continue to do that. If she's bringing up licking a pussy, let her know that you'd enjoy watching it (assuming you would) instead of jumping into the idea of a threesome immediately. I know a lot of men here say that they don't enjoy just watching, but it's definitely where my husband and I began and where many others do as well. So if that's a possibility, it could be a good place to go....

[Hedonismo 15]

It took us a couple of years to finally even start investigating swinging online, and we are very very new still. We went to our first on premise club Aprill 11th, 2009 and we played with another couple there. That's our whole real life experience . I just didn't want you to think I am an expert or anything.. One of the biggest hurdles for me initially was being ok with the idea that my husband wanted to share me. Part of me wanted him to want me all to himself. He was patient and loving and waited until I got my head and my heart wrapped around the idea. Boy I am so glad I got over it!! Being a member here helped me tremendously, I agree that if she is willing, this board has been extremely wonderful for me see if she will spend some time here. I spend many more hours here than my husband. Mrs. H

[farmer3922 15]

I beleive it is super difficult for A wife to beleive three things. The first is no way the husband will not be jealous. Next woman beleive

another man pleasing her in ways the husband never has, is or should be humiliating. If she does not want the husband to fuck other women how can he ok her to have two men fucking her

[Additude 457]

This sounds pretty much like the normal course of action with a lot of couples. Very few couples just dive in. Most progress slowly, with the woman being the most hesitant, for a multitude of reasons.

 

What you didn't say in your post was "Why your wife is being hesitant" at this point. I think you don't know totally how to approach this, because your not sure where to start with her.

 

I suggest a healthy conversation with your wife over the subject, understand what it is she is feeling, why she is feeling it and what your both going to do about it.

 

I think your goal is to make her comfortable with your feelings on the subject. I'm sure your wife doesn't want to put her marriage at risk and she is probably more concerned about your actions than her's regarding swinging.

 

Once you know where "she is coming from" you'll better understand your angle of approach.

[slevin 1,374]

I also noticed all the mentions of teasing and it stands out strongly to me as well. I get the impression from all those mentions that perhaps you are hesitant to really put this out there (hesitant about how she will react, the finality of it perhaps). So instead of bringing it up directly, talking openly and expressing your honest desire to actually go through with it you keep teasing her with it during sex and hoping that she will say she wants to go through with it. You are putting this on her shoulders; many women, even ones who actually want to do it, when it's put on their shoulders will do exactly what your wife has done. Get excited about it, seem like she wants it, but will never step up and express her desire to do it. Take control here, tell her you want it, explain to her that you're excited about her exploring her fantasies, about exploring with you, seeing her get so much pleasure etc. Talk openly about it when you're NOT having sex. Allow her to be able to actually go through with it, without feeling like it was all her idea (ie: she is to blame for it, or she is the slut for wanting it etc.).

 

Now, that very well may be off base too. Could be that she's just not really interested in it at all

[The Fuse 1,012]

I too think you and your wife should be able to talk to each other on a sincere, non-teasing level. However, I know that different couples have different ways of communicating. I never could understand how some couples can tolerate the constant bickering, like my parents, and my sister with her husband. But I do have some other friends who just seem to both enjoy poking at each other. Not my thing, but it seems to work for them.

 

Do you and your wife talk about serious things in a serious way? You'll find over and over again on this board that people say communication is the most important thing, and they are right. I know sometimes it's easier to tease and be teased, but that might be because one or both of you is afraid of what the other might say if the conversation were sincere and earnest. It is much better to proceed in a sincere way, as long as you emphasize to your wife that you would never pressure her to do anything she didn't really want to do -- and you have to mean that, of course. If she knows that whatever she is thinking will be okay with you, she might be willing to open up. If she feels safe and accepted, you will have some really rewarding talks. That includes accepting her craziest fantasies, the ones she's not comfortable with, and it also means accepting her lack of desire to act on them, if that lack of desire exists.

 

Some other posters to this thread have mentioned that it took years for them to evolve from fantasy to reality. That is always a possibility, one that it is only in your best interest to accept happily. Even if it never becomes a reality, it can be awfully fun to share the fantasy. Good luck.

[JustAskJulie 2,595]

It sounds as if she's leading you at her pace...so let her continue to do that. If she's bringing up licking a pussy, let her know that you'd enjoy watching it (assuming you would) instead of jumping into the idea of a threesome immediately. I know a lot of men here say that they don't enjoy just watching, but it's definitely where my husband and I began and where many others do as well. So if that's a possibility, it could be a good place to go....

 

I have to agree with this.

 

There was also something in your first post that really stood out to me and bothered me

but allowed one guy to slip his hands in her pants while watching the activities,and bring her to several orgasms, but she did not go any further than that, ( I have my doubts on that statement )

 

The fact that you doubt her honesty on this statement is an issue. Maybe she did go further, maybe she didn't. But, to swing you both have to be able to trust each other completely. Until you stop doubting what she has told you (and maybe it's because she tells you more) and until she can trust and feel comfortable to tell you everything about how she feels, you won't be able to successfully swing. You don't have the right level of relationship yet.

 

As others said, have an open an honest conversation with her about swinging OUTSIDE of the bedroom, with your clothes on and your hands nowhere near her genitals or yours.

[wpcplindy 68]

JustAskJulie said:

I have to agree with this.

 

There was also something in your first post that really stood out to me and bothered me

 

The fact that you doubt her honesty on this statement is an issue. Maybe she did go further, maybe she didn't. But, to swing you both have to be able to trust each other completely. Until you stop doubting what she has told you (and maybe it's because she tells you more) and until she can trust and feel comfortable to tell you everything about how she feels, you won't be able to successfully swing. You don't have the right level of relationship yet.

 

As others said, have an open an honest conversation with her about swinging OUTSIDE of the bedroom, with your clothes on and your hands nowhere near her genitals or yours.

Yes I also lean in this direction, as i said I was very shocked when she said that and of course I told her I would love watching that, then I followed up with who else would she enjoy that with and I named off a few and got a couple no's but got several yes's,. The subject somehow got brought up this week again and she asked what I would be doing if she was licking a pussy, I said I can be voyeur and just sit back and play with myself or I might just have to slide it in her while she is busy, all she had responded with was really that's all that you would do, I replied that hey I would be good with just watching that happen and that whatever happened she would have to lead me.

 

I completely trust her!!! the reason added my opinion is over the course of our relationship she has shared with me more details about that night. I hope she did partake in the activities, but to be honest it irrelevant because it was before we met. She knows I enjoy hearing about her previous experiences.

[wpcplindy 68]

Additude said:

This sounds pretty much like the normal course of action with a lot of couples. Very few couples just dive in. Most progress slowly, with the woman being the most hesitant, for a multitude of reasons.

What you didn't say in your post was "Why your wife is being hesitant" at this point. I think you don't know totally how to approach this, because your not sure where to start with her.

 

Your right on here I am not sure how to really approach this, when I first told her early on when dating about how I would love to watch her with a another guy, she was offended and border line pissed, she said she was very confused why I would want to see her in action with another guy. I just explained how it turned me on. Sense then we have had a couple good conversations out of the bedroom about it and she has seemed to really open up and talk about it more as well as now we occasionally tease each other in and out of the bedroom on introducing a extra male at times.

 

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I suggest a healthy conversation with your wife over the subject, understand what it is she is feeling, why she is feeling it and what your both going to do about it.

 

We have had a few very good conversations in the last few years. It has gone from

"No way and offended" to,

"if she wasn't in a serious relationship she would do it without a second thought"

"she didn't think she could ever do that", then it was its

"your fantasy",

the one we had a few weeks ago was she couldn't do it with any of my buddies and not with anyone from the town we live in

 

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I think your goal is to make her comfortable with your feelings on the subject. I'm sure your wife doesn't want to put her marriage at risk and she is probably more concerned about your actions than her's regarding swinging.

 

My personal take this goes from she is willing to test the waters but not with any of my buddies ( that is fine with me don't want one any of my buddies involved) But then at times I think its just my wanting to that I miss understand that maybe she is just playing along with the fantasy.

 

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Once you know where "she is coming from" you'll better understand your angle of approach.

 

Yes we need a good sit down chat about it to find out what her thoughts are, as well as to reassure her that I love her no matter what direction it takes, and that our relationship is all that matters.

 

Over the last year she has really seemed to open up and express her desires more, We were chatting one afternoon and the topic of watching porn had come up , I asked her if she ever watched the porn tapes that we have and she admitted she watches them fairly often when she masturbates, I was kinda shocked i had no idea she ever got them out on her own and watched them.

 

I don't want to push her into anything so I am just taking it slow but at the same time looking for how others had gotten past if this point if at all.

[lizandtom 512]

Hate to burst your bubble, but if it didn't happen at Desire, either Hedo or Temptations (or any type of resort like that), it probably isn't going to happen. IMHO it sounds much more built up in your head than hers, and she is trying to keep you interested by mentioning fantasies, but it probably won't go further than that.

 

Our first foray in the lifestyle after getting a few years of FF hints was a trip to Hedo III; my idea, but to satisfy her curiosity (which she didn't reality admit at the time). It was do or die time, and she did without encouragement from me (ok maybe a little from Senior Sambuca) but nonetheless she took to it like a fish to water.

[wpcplindy 68]

Hate to burst your bubble, but if it didn't happen at Desire, either Hedo or Temptations (or any type of resort like that), it probably isn't going to happen. IMHO it sounds much more built up in your head than hers, and she is trying to keep you interested by mentioning fantasies, but it probably won't go further than that.

 

Yes I have often thought that if it hasn't happened yet that it probably isn't going to and several times I have just put it out of my mind, We have only been to Desire once and was only for 4 nights, We have a trip planed to return this summer for 9 nights. We have never been to Hedo or Temptation, Only to Grand Lido Braco and Negril, in Jamaica

 

Our first foray in the lifestyle after getting a few years of FF hints was a trip to Hedo III; my idea, but to satisfy her curiosity (which she didn't reality admit at the time). It was do or die time, and she did without encouragement from me (ok maybe a little from Senior Sambuca) but nonetheless she took to it like a fish to water.

 

We had a nice open chat this weekend and talked a lot about fantasy's mine and hers, She openly admitted that she would enjoy being in a orgy and watching others as well as others watching her, but that she would be very hesitate at any swapping of partners, she said she loved being watched and went on to say that our first trip to Desire when we were having sex on the beach beds and she noticed 2 couples watching her get fucked and then watching the men get hard really turned her on. When we talked about her playing with a female she said that she wouldn't know what to do or if she could lick another pussy because she was more into enjoying sucking a cock but did finish with she would be open to try if in the right environment.

While she was explaining and talking about a FF I stuck my hands in her pants and she felt like I had just filled her with cum she was so so wet.

On the MFM fantasy didn't get as much into that as I was hopping to we got interrupted by a knock on the door. But did get how she thought that it was a hot fantasy of mine and if she wasn't married she would do it if the right environment presented itself, I told her I would never want her to do anything that she wasn't comfy in doing but did ask her to explain why she would do MFM with me and another male if we were not married but in a serious relationship, the response I got was hopeful she was worried about what I would think of her if she did that sense now we are married. I responded that if we were ever in a situation were it could happen that I would enjoy and get turned if she would open up to that,

 

We did continue with chatting about it after our interruption and I firmly now believe that there could be some type of play in our future, I got most out of our chat was in line with more what if our friends and family would find out more than it will never happen.

[LikeMinds321 1,527]

wpcplindy said:

 

The subject somehow got brought up this week again and she asked what I would be doing if she was licking a pussy, I said I can be voyeur and just sit back and play with myself or I might just have to slide it in her while she is busy, all she had responded with was really that's all that you would do, I replied that hey I would be good with just watching that happen and that whatever happened she would have to lead me.

I think your wife's hesitancy to swing has more to do with how she feels she'd react if you played with other women, not with how you will react if you see her with other men (as you've mentioned).

 

I get the feeling from your posts that she'd be more interested in actively playing (intercourse/oral with men and play with women) while you are the voyeur when she plays. I think the only thing she may be comfortable with is you playing with her.

 

Have you considered this?

 

When you used to swing, before meeting your wife, how involved were you in swinging? Were you married or in a committed relationship at the time? Did you play with other women and full swap?

 

If you are absolutely certain that you will never have any interest in playing with other women, and you would be okay with being a voyeur only (or only play with your wife during MFM/FMF), swinging may work for you and your wife. If, however, you think you may want more from swinging, be certain you discuss this with your wife now, not later.

[lizandtom 512]

... I got most out of our chat was in line with more what if our friends and family would find out more than it will never happen.

 

That sounds pretty key and familiar with couples (mostly the female 1/2) we've seen around our community about swinging.

 

Sounds like she is afraid to take it further because of being outed. I have to guess that she comes from a tight family, a lot of brothers and/or sisters, folks still alive and active in their kids lives, maybe?

 

It is hard to live the 'secret life' when you have close family 'visiting' a lot and involved in what's going on in your lives.

 

I would try and convince your wife that your time (for the two of you) is your time, and what you two do is solely your business and not anybody elses. Find a way of telling family when they ask, when you've gotten a sitter on a Saturday night lined up, that you two are going out. 'Out where?' should be met with, 'oh, we're not sure yet, just playing it by ear; maybe dinner, movie, a little dancing, whatever.' Never fully explain, never fully apologize; now get your wife to see it this way and it will probably start to happen for you.

 

Of course this is all conjecture, so fill in where appropriate lol. good luck.

[wpcplindy 68]

A brief update on our progress.

 

We just returned from our second trip to Desire resort and we had a great time as well as some very hot sex.

 

The wife is still confusing me but I am beginning to understand her a bit more and with the good feedback on this site it helps me understand the wife's conflicting statements and actions on this topic.

 

Well this trip the wife was bit more playful than our last trip, We had a great room that walked right out on to the beach beds, and even though the were signs that restricted sex on the beach beds there was plenty going on.

 

Wife and I had several conversations with other couples on the topic of swinging and her comments have not changed at all, but her actions are 100% opposite of what she says.

 

On our first night there spent the afternoon on the beach bed the went to the hot tub, there was a few couples enjoying drinks and conversation and we struck up a conversation with one couple then while I was chatting with the Husband my wife decided it was time to get me hard and suck me off in front of this couple so I just relaxed and enjoyed. The other couple just seemed to want to continue chatting while I enjoyed my wife and her talented oral I was receiving. Forward to the next evening in the hot tub it was very full and we had been chatting with a few couples sitting next to us while across from us was a couple FFM action on the swim up bar stool, The next thing the wife did that surprised me was she turned me around so I was in front of her and guided my cock into her pussy while she watch the show and would tell me what was going on behind me.

 

That night we to the disco and was watching the judging of the Pimp and Ho costume party and wife asked me where are the people going behind the bar, I told her it was the party room were couples wet to play, She grabbed my hand and took me back there so she could see it, then we went back to our seats to enjoy the rest of the judging. Later she says let go so I get up and I started to walk to the disco exit she said no she wanted to go fuck in the party room, so off we went, unfortunately we were the only couple in there to start, but we still had a great time, when we were finished we noticed that a few couples had entered the room and had been watching us.

 

The following night again she took me to the party room and this time it was very full, but a couple made room for us next to them, we were watching and just rubbing each other when she decided it was time for me to get on top, While I was having me way with her the female next to us just started caressing my wife’s chest, I wasn’t sure how the wife was going to react and not wanting the fun to stop I let it go on for a few minutes then ended up having to slide her back due to her head being pushed into the ladies leg next to us. As I pulled her back the female stopped her caressing.

 

We continued for a while and my wife would be watching the other couples and having several orgasms herself, then we switched to her on top and while in this position a couple behind us started caressing her chest and pinching her nipples, until she had several more orgasms, then she needed a rest and I needed to recover also so we laid on our side with her facing out watching the 2 couples across from us and the FFM on the floor. I started to rise again and went to slide into her she whispered in my ear,” no stick it in my ass” So I did as I was told… (This was the first time ever she has done anal with me she always said it's exit only).

 

Well as I was enjoying my treat I was trying to rub her clit and she was very very aggressive and vocal and said no finger my pussy, I of course did as instructed and tried my best but with me in her ass and the way we were positioned I couldn’t keep my fingers in her pussy, The couple on the floor must have overheard her and could see that I was having some difficulty so the female took the opportunity to help me out.

Now with the woman’s finger in my wife’s pussy me in her ass I must admit I didn’t last long but did hold out until my wife had a major orgasm then I followed, we rested for awhile got up and both walked out of the party room with me carrying the few clothes we had and wife naked with cum running down her legs and it was very noticeable with the black lights from the disco. The rest of our stay we always ended up in the party room by her choosing.

 

Now my confusion in chatting with a couple in the water one afternoon the topic had come up by the female half of the couple and my wife said no we are not swingers etc the female of the couple said they were not swingers also but that they enjoyed the resort and the freedom it brings to watch others as well as participate in some of the theme nights but that’s were they draw the line, my wife also agreed on that entire statement, but in talking to the husband I found that it was him and his wife that were in the party room and his wife was the woman that assisted me in fingering my wife during one of our nights in the party room. I taking all this in decided that I think my wife enjoys some aspect of the lifestyle while not wanting to have the label attached to it.

 

She and I have chatted more on the subject and she pointed out that when we first started dating I had told her about a swingers club near us and that I had been to a couple times she expressed in interest in going and we made plans to go she even got all dressed for the club then I ended up deciding not to go, she admitted that she was very let down but never expressed that to me. I have told her that we will go one night when we don’t have our kids and she seemed excited.

 

This is a brief outline of what has happened in the past couple months, I know I need to continue with very open conversation, but just looking for other opinions on how to proceed from this point without seeming pushy.

[Rackir 159]

First, thanks for sharing that story! Very hot. You're a lucky lucky man!

 

It sounds like it's headed the direction you want quite nicely on it's own. You may be right in that your wife is attracted to the idea, but not the label (I totally understand that, I have issue with the term "lifestyle"). You said she is looking forward to heading to a club, that in conjunction with her liberated feelings at the resort imply that though she likes the actions and the feelings, it's not something she wants to incorporate into her self image. At clubs and resorts we have to opportunity act out in ways we don’t in our day to day lives, and the people we interact with there are more likely to be strangers, than they are to be people who really know us, so those activities can be engaged in without her self image needing to change.

 

I'd say head off to the club at the next opportunity. If she enjoys herself, you may find that the clubs become a semi-frequent part of your schedule.

 

From there you may want to make friends with another couple in the life and just socialize with them, that way she can see that people can be swingers, and be totally normal people at the same time. Allot of people seem to think that the swinging aspect of a persons life becomes the dominant aspect (hence why I dislike the term "lifestyle"). Once she realizes that she can engage in the life, and maintain her previous self image at the same time, she may be more willing to entertain more personal encounters.

[WonderWhat 166]

Congratulations! You're both well on your way to finding out what you want and how to do it.

 

Yes, the labels really get in the way of what you think you want. Don't worry, it happens to everyone while the possibilities and boundaries are still being processed.

 

What's nice is that you're both learning what you and your SO feels, experiences and enjoys with no hurry, with enough communication to feel comfortable and with no pushiness.

[wpcplindy 68]

A small update on my progress to get my wife to play with another cock.

 

Not much has happened as far as progress in the last year, but have had a few close encounters. Mid last year Wife agreed to go to local swingers club for the first time so we could play in the Orgy room, but we got there it was kind of a dive and had low turnout so wife wasn't impressed but we did have sex in a private room with couples watching through the window.

 

Now things seem to be moving forward in small steps in the last couple months, Wife and I have been getting couples massages on a fairly regular basis for the last year or so and on the nights we got our massages we would both have a glass of wine to relax then chat with the couple giving us the massages and after the massages all 4 of us always hit the hot tub for a drink and good conversation that is our typical massage night. Wife has become very comfy with the male that does her massages and so the last time we had massages set up He had called ahead to say his female companion that does mine could not make it, I said that was ok with me that he just do the massages on me and wife,( I have always expressed to him that wife liked her breast massaged and I always ask him to take as many liberties with her as he could and as my wife's body language allow, He would always tell me how far she let him go and how she would react when he did it. But being that our massages were always couples massages in the same room he never pushed the envelope as to not offend his female half.)

 

So during my conversation with him before he arrived I expressed that I wanted him to give her a erotic massage and he was more than excited to do that and asked me what his limits should be I said whatever she allows you to do but he should probably stop short of fucking her, and followed up with I doubt if she would let it go that far so you will have to se what her body language is telling you,

 

So he arrives the 3 of us chat for a bit I get my massage while wife is just hanging out upstairs watching TV , After I am done I go tell wife its her turn she heads downstairs in her robe and I head out to hot tub to uncover it and he is out there having a smoke before he starts on my wife’s massage, we chat some more about the erotic massage and then we both head downstairs, he hits the restroom and I chat with wife while she is sitting on massage table, she asked me why I told him to give her a sensual massage and I express that I she enjoys them while we are on vacation and she should while we are home.

 

She just looks at me and lays down on the table under the sheet, he comes out of restroom I grab my wine and head upstairs. About 30 min later I need some more wine so I head downstairs and as I turn the corner I notice that he has wife fully undraped sheet on the floor massaging her upper thigh and rubbing her tits with other hand, He has removed his shirt but still had his sweat pants on, I decide to not interrupt or make myself known that I am there and I just quietly just watch and see what develops, So over the next 15 min I watch as he begins to finger my wife’s pussy and suck on her tits, My wife spreads her legs so he can have better access and I can tell from my wife’s movements while watching this she has a few orgasms. As I was watching this my mobile phone in my pocket goes off so I head back upstairs as to not interrupt them as they had no Idea I was watching.

 

I take my call and after about another 15 min or so I decide to head back down stairs as turn the corner I see that the lights were turned up a bit and he had just finished with massage on wife so I say hi to both and he says hi we all chat for a min and he heads to restroom again and I ask the wife how she enjoyed her massage and she is all glassy eyed and sits up on table still completely naked and says that she enjoyed it and that he fingered her, and rubbed her tits, I ask her if it made her horny and she just gave me a coy look and didn’t really answer me so I snake my had to her pussy and she is super wet and she grabs my head and kisses me as I finger her pussy.

 

He comes out of restroom and all 3 of us just chat a bit but the odd part is wife never grabs the sheet to cover up. We decide to head to the hot tub and have a couple cocktails as normal and chat, He says he didn’t bring a suit with him I jump in and say we don’t need any but wife decides she is going to put on hers, so we get in hot tub have a few drinks and I end up convincing wife she needs to take her suit off so she does. I end up getting out to get more cocktails when I return he is sitting next to wife in hot tub I get in we all chat some more I ask him to show me some of the finer points of giving an erotic massage so he takes the lead and demonstrates over the next hour on my wife’s naked body were to rub how to rub etc. Nothing more happened that night except wife was super horny when he left and we had some great sex and she even did anal again. We have sense talked about her erotic massage and she know it makes my dick hard knowing that she got felt up by him, and she also admitted that that was not the first time he had hi fingers in her pussy that the last couple massages he has inserted his fingers but never to the level he did during this massage. Now I already had known what liberties he has taken with her him and I will chat about it and he also knows I would enjoy watching her get fucked.

 

So over the last few weeks a friend of mine that wife has never met in person but wife has seen me text him etc.

 

He and I bet on a football game and if he wins he gets a kiss from my wife, I tell the wife of the bet and she just laughs and said she has never met him in person etc. So I loose the bet and tell the wife when he comes over she owes him a kiss. But he was out of town and couldn’t come by until the following week but we would get together then and have dinner and watch the games the following Sunday and he could collect his winnings, So he comes over the following Sunday meets the wife and him and I decide to do a double or nothing bet if he wins he get a blow job from wife, so wife just looked at me and said why did I do that but doesn’t say no, so as the game is on wife would stop in to see who was winning and if she would have to perform a blow job if we lost, Now during all this she is sitting in the living room with us and watching the game and him and I would tease her about the wager if we lost and she never once said no she wouldn’t she just played along. Well we lost but just as the game got over one of the kids just returned home so really nothing was said about the wager only that he could collect at a later date.

 

Now my buddy and my wife have been texting over that last 2 weeks about him collecting his winnings in a very teasing manor and me telling her how hot that would be to watch her perform a blow job on my friend, my wife has never come out and said no she wouldn’t make good on the bet, all she has said is that she is married, but has never shot down giving him the blow job and he like me doesn’t want to push to much to get her to perform it. Now the 2 of them decided to make a bet between them without me being the one to make it for her. They have agreed to a Massage, the looser must perform massage on the winner.

 

Now my wife and I have had many conversations about me watching her fuck another guy and her doing a threesome with me and another guy, and its hard to read her reactions, I never get a outright no, but what I get in response is that’s my fantasy and not necessarily hers but she doesn’t say its not a fantasy of hers either, We have some hot sex on the nights were we do chat about her fucking another guy, I seem to be making headway but don’t want to push any thoughts on getting past this, it seems we are close but ……

 

Hope to hear opinions and ideas

[slevin 1,374]

I think you're playing with fire by setting things up behind her back. She should always know what you are planning before you plan it. You've gotten away with it so far, but you are playing with fire.

[savcpl912 15]

We were in the same boat. It took us years for wife to start. In the end I let her go on her own a few times with guys and play to get comfortable with that. She also has a very high sex drive and loves to play. Once she played on her own a few we started playing with couples and the mfm. She loves it all now.

[Additude 457]

Everybody is different and everybody's relationship is different. Things progress in a relationship based on an individual perception as well as an interaction perception with the other person. We all like to think that we know the rules which include trusts and honesties, being up front and informative, but those are all just best practice guidelines that work best in most cases.

 

They are not a rule book that works for every situation in every relationship. What works well in one relationship does not mean that same thing will work well in another relationship.

 

I think the judge of how well things are working or not working, however the case may be, is based on the response of the other person in the relationship.

 

I think you are taking a very patient and methodical approach to what you are doing. To me it sounds like it is not something the wife would necessarily go out and do on her own, but seems willing to accept.

 

I think if your wife was not interested, then she would say so.

 

You have to understand that our society and culture exemplifies the institution of marriage and monogamous relationships. A majority of us have all been taught that concept since childhood.

 

We are taught that sex and love is the same thing in a marriage. We are not taught that there is recreational sex outside of the marriage. That concept can be a challenging one to reconstruct and change. It takes time.

 

As long as you are not getting negative feedback and you are not forcing or abusing your relationship then you are progressing just fine.

 

If things start turning sour, back off or possibly try a different approach. But I think you are doing just fine.

[bbarnsworth 2,640]

my wife has never come out and said no

 

I was cringing over much of this post. To each couple, their own. If it works for you, great. But, in every relationship I've ever been in, if "she" (whomever) doesn't come out and say YES, it ain't happening.

 

I agree with Slevin. You know your wife a hell of a lot better than we do, but this surely looks like a bomb waiting to go off. That, paired with her comments that it's your fantasy, not hers...the fuse you think you're lighting is most likely a megaton bomb waiting to go off.

 

I do wish you luck, but hope you can concentrate on getting her to be more open with her thoughts rather than concentrating on how to get her to the next step in swinging. What you seek in swinging is most likely found in absolute open honesty with each other. From my chair, she seems to have ample right to be afraid of the next step(s). She has no control here. That's scary.

[wpcplindy 68]

Just a quick statement,

 

She always knows what I am planning. Maybe not full details but always knows what we are doing! We have lots of teasing conversation about anything and everything that I plan or want to try.

 

Erotic massages we do a couple times a year when we go to Desire ( we have erotic couple massages at resort and with a local provider off resort) Wife has always wanted to find a local provider of erotic massages but she has a very shy side and would be very embarrassed to outright ask for happy ending,

 

On the local swingers club we attended:

 

She really likes the playroom (orgy) at desires resort and asked if there were any clubs at home like that, she has sense asked if I have found a club that was more upscale with a playroom and I have we are attending a party this month,

 

Knowing my wife as I do if she didn't want to do something or was offended that I would even bring it in conversation I would get an outright NO! So I know what line not to cross.

 

The confusing part to me is when we do have discussions on swinging her only negative is she doesn't think she could handle seeing me with another female. That is the only negative, as well as just the label “Swinger”

 

She has also admitted to me that she would enjoy trying bi but she doesn't think she could make the first move.

 

With our discussions on a MFM threesome, or me watching her with another guy she is very turned on by it and would enjoy it but her negative on it is who would it be or how would we find this person. When I say a swingers date site she gets put off per say by the having to her words "advertise". and yes i have expressed to her it is a fantasy of mine to see her being pleasured by me and another guy, she does think that is very hot so she is right on when she says that it is my fantasy not hers.

 

Her big fantasy is to be a full participant in an ORGY were she can take more of a “submissive roll” and be just be involved with no limits on to what she does or what is done to her. That includes multiple men and women pleasuring her and her them, and that plays right into the mfm fantasy of mine and her bi fantasy as well without the big shock of an all out orgy. But then again maybe that is how she wants to jump in is an all out orgy.

 

I put no stock into any feedback were you take a statement out of the context it was intended, and base your thoughts off of that lone quote /statement. We as a couple and I, expect better intelligence than that from adults.

 

Again all the good feedback positive and negative especially from the ladies really helps.

[wpcplindy 68]

Additude said:

Everybody is different and everybody's relationship is different. Things progress in a relationship based on an individual perception as well as an interaction perception with the other person. We all like to think that we know the rules which include trusts and honesties, being up front and informative, but those are all just best practice guidelines that work best in most cases.

 

They are not a rule book that works for every situation in every relationship. What works well in one relationship does not mean that same thing will work well in another relationship.

 

I think the judge of how well things are working or not working, however the case may be, is based on the response of the other person in the relationship.

 

I think you are taking a very patient and methodical approach to what you are doing. To me it sounds like it is not something the wife would necessarily go out and do on her own, but seems willing to accept.

 

I think if your wife was not interested, then she would say so.

 

You have to understand that our society and culture exemplifies the institution of marriage and monogamous relationships. A majority of us have all been taught that concept since childhood.

 

We are taught that sex and love is the same thing in a marriage. We are not taught that there is recreational sex outside of the marriage. That concept can be a challenging one to reconstruct and change. It takes time.

 

As long as you are not getting negative feedback and you are not forcing or abusing your relationship then you are progressing just fine.

 

If things start turning sour, back off or possibly try a different approach. But I think you are doing just fine.

 

Additude

 

You have some very good points and a couple that my wife has said also during some conversations we have had, the most important one I think is the institution of marriage and monogamous relationships. This exact conversation has taken place between us,

When I have used a hypothetical question to her if she would explore her fantasy's and mine if we were just dating and she enthusiastically said YES without a second thought.

 

Also on same basic topic when her and I first started dating she had a FWB (fuck buddy she calls it) so she has the ability to separate love and marriage and just sex. I found out about this "fuck buddy " during a game of truth or dare, and told my wife how that was a turn on that she can make the distinction between great sex and Love

[wpcplindy 68]

We were in the same boat. It took us years for wife to start. In the end I let her go on her own a few times with guys and play to get comfortable with that. She also has a very high sex drive and loves to play. Once she played on her own a few we started playing with couples and the mfm. She loves it all now.

 

Ditto on my wife's sex drive, she masturbates at least once a day and always calls to tell me or tells me when I get home,

 

My thoughts follow right along yours i think one she starts she will be more at ease.

[incommunicado 228]

Others have named the standard points:

 

1) That many husbands try to get their wives to swing and

 

2) that those husbands equate their wives excitement about the fantasy with a desire for the reality.

 

Let me play devils advocate... How do you know YOU really want this? You've swung before, but with whom? Was it someone with whom you had a completely loving and devoted relationship, so you know what it would feel like to have a person who is THAT important to you, have sex with someone else? Sure, you may like the IDEA of getting to have sexual variety yourself, and you may get turned on by the IDEA of an MFM. But, are you really ready for the reality of your wife being penetrated as you might think?

 

And, let me share another reality with you. What if she does it, and really likes it? That can be very threatening. And, what if SHE likes it but YOU don't? I have seen myriad postings by the spouse (sometimes the woman) who say, "my husband/wife decided they don't enjoy swinging, but I want to keep doing it, what do I do?"

 

I can tell you from experience that it can be very threatening when you realize how sexually independent your wife is of you. So, be careful what you wish for.

[farmer3922 15]

wpcplindy said:

I have been talking with the wife about swinging and a MFM on and off for about 7 years and have had a little headway in getting her to consider a bit of swinging or a MFM.

I found my wive could not believe I at some time would not become insecure.

 

She tired of talking about the same sexual happening over and over.

 

She looked me in the eye and said it is not you or your fault I want more cock. I LOVE YOU. I DO NOT WANT TO FUCK UP OUR LOVE.

so if I agree to others, here's the deal. Think before you answer, no changing, first you may not fuck any other women, I fuck as many men as I want and so can you.

 

I really became insecure when she would express He was the best fuck ever 3 or 10 times per day I did not not share my feelings with her. It was A major problem for me, because it also turned me on as never before.

 

We had agreed not to include any other unless both played. She and I, learned playing requires honest communication, and for me not stepping on my cock.

[incommunicado 228]

farmer3922 said:

I found my wive could not believe I at some time would not become insecure.

 

It's totally understandable that you would be insecure.

 

1) She demands sexual independence. If I were you, I would feel like doesn't need me, when she is not sexually committed (monogamous or swinging only together).

 

2) her dictating the parameters of your swinging. She has stated that she NEEDs other men. Laying it down as a requirement, they way you depict it, says to me that this is happening with or without you.

 

3) She has also made it clear that she gets to play but you don't, unless it's men you want. That would be a deal breaker for me. I firmly believe that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If she gets other men, you should get other women or she doesn't get her other men.

 

4) Being told constantly that her lay-du jour was the best ever, comes across as inconsiderate and ball-busting. She may be bragging because she's excited, but there SEEMS to be a part of her that likes humiliating you. That may not be a bad thing because the fact that it turns you on so much, means you are into humiliation to a degree. But, humiliation, like BDSM, is meant to create a fantasy situation that satisfies a need. It's not supposed to really be hurtful.

 

It's good that you have honest communication with your wife. From your writing, I honestly can't tell if that communication goes beyond her dictating the parameters of your swinging, and you being willing to tell her how you feel about something if it bothers you. I can't tell if she cares enough about how you feel, to change what she does to make you feel more loved and secure. But, you raised an interesting scenario, and I'm on a role, so I figured I would chime in.

[GoNatural 104]

...leaves the conversation with a glimmer of hope at times by her comment about she couldn't do it with anyone of my friends or anyone in our town.

There's your answer for expanding the conversation. Talk about looking at personal ads from couples that live in other towns within a reasonable distance away.

[bbarnsworth 2,640]

the most important one I think is the institution of marriage and monogamous relationships. This exact conversation has taken place between us, When I have used a hypothetical question to her if she would explore her fantasy's and mine if we were just dating and she enthusiastically said YES without a second thought.

 

Years prior to my wife and I considering swinging, we often had debates/discussion about my having been briefly involved in a polyamorous triad in the year before I met her. She had rather strong opinions that it was wrong, and that the married couple had broken their vows, and I was wrong for aiding them in doing that. My response to that was that no cheating happened, everybody knew and approved of what was going on, and no promises were broken...even marital vows...that they (the couple) had not previously agreed were no longer valid.

 

Life isn't set in stone. A decision you make when your 25 doesn't mean you have to be chained to that decision for the rest of your life (in this case a vow of sexual monogamy) if you both agree to change that decision.

 

Also, agreeing to have sex with others does not have to mean you are somehow despoiling your marriage. For many swinging couples, it's rather the opposite. It can add so much to a marriage that a "vanilla" marriage will never be able to experience.

 

Marriage is an institution. But, as with any institution you are not being forced to partake of an external definition of what that institution is. If you enter a monastery, taking vows of celibacy, and later decide to leave the monastery...have you broken the institution? No, you've decided the definition of that institution given to you is one that does not work for you anymore. You are not chained to that institution. There are many ways in which you can serve a purpose that while initially might be embodied in one institution, you find at a later juncture does not have all the answers for you. Marriage is such an institution.

 

More; marriage is not a monolithic definition that applies in absolute rigidity across all cultures, all times, all people. The very definition of marriage is highly subjective, viewing through those lenses.

 

What is YOUR definition of marriage? That's the most important question. Not someone else's idea of the definition, or some church, group, culture, etc. Figure out your own definition. It is your life, and only your life. Nobody else should get to dictate to you in what manner you choose to express, enjoy, and revel in your marriage.

 

For my wife and I, our definition is our unending commitment of love, of souls, of family, of life to each other. Nobody can hold a candle to that. Whether someone is enjoying a lunch time conversation with my wife or is having sex with her without my being there (but of course in the know), they can not violate our marriage, and what it means to us.

[wpcplindy 68]

The date for massage has been set, there has been hours of Im's between wife and buddy, me and my buddy as well as between wife and I. Wife and him the last to days had several hours hot teasing chat about length of massage, what parts she would like focused on, during that part of conversation wife outright told him she enjoys her tits and nipples massaged and and extra time she be spent on her upper thighs and CLIT she told him. he replied what if he gets aroused would she help him out, she teasingly replied what do you have in mind. he said maybe oral favor or more, that teasing has gone back and forth for 2 days as well as wife sending him and me a few erotic pics by text and one she sent him and I was of her pussy so wet from the chat they were having it looked as if she had just been fucked. That was the first naked pics she has ever sent to anyone except me.

 

Then yesterday afternoon during the chat between them she just said do you want to fuck me and he said yes. She said good she was hooping that he would. all this has made wife so much more open to describing her fantasy's and the sex between her and i has been awesome, Last night we had some free time without kids and invited him over for dinner and just to hang out, he told us he had to help a family member but would try and get over for a drink but was unsure of the time, when i got home from work wife instructed me i should help tidy up the house,(She keeps house spotless) I said the house is spotless what do you want me to do her only request was change the sheets on our bed, I said why, she played it a little and I can right out and said do you want to take his cock for a ride tonight, she replied well maybe, I came back with you do want him to fuck you hard tonight, she said yeah and went on to say how hot it would be to have us both take her to the bed and fuck her.

[Additude 457]

That all sounds very inticing and good. I am glad for you that this is progressing the way it is. Please keep us informed as to how it goes. I gotta know!!

[bbarnsworth 2,640]

Flag on the play! You haven't told us how it worked out!!! Today is after the fact, and you posted today! You're teasing us! Bad form! Bad form

[wpcplindy 68]

Everything was a huge success!!! I couldn't have ever dreamed it would have went so smooth or take a couple twist that made the wife's enjoyment even better and mine outstanding.

 

Friday night my friend came over just to hang out our daughter had a after school program until midnight we were told, So while we were playing wii the conversation turned to the bet and a date of the following Saturday for Wife to receive her winnings. But I said we don’t have to pick up daughter until 12:00 from her field trip. So we all agreed she would receive her winnings that night. So we set up massage table downstairs and just as it got set up wife gets a text from daughter that they will be back at the school in about 10 min so she can get picked up. So after quick change of plans we moved massage table up to our bedroom.

 

I decided that I would run and pick daughter and they could get started on the massage and it would also probably make both more comfy if I wasn’t there at the beginning and give both time get a bit relaxed with what ever was going to happen. So I left knowing I would only be gone about max 15 min. On my way there I texted wife and told her to relax and just enjoy herself.

 

Well got to school and waited for daughter after about 10 min she shows up , so instead of it taking me no more than 15min. it took about 45. so I make my way home.

 

I get home and make my way up to our bedroom I walk in the bedroom, the wife is laying naked under the sheet on the massage table face down, and my friend standing there dressed massaging her shoulders, both of them commented on how long it took and I told them I had to wait because she wasn’t ready. So as we were chatting I sat on the edge of the massage table next to wife and started rubbing her leg that was exposed from under sheet and asked her how was the massage so far she, said awesome with a slight flirty grin so I pose the same question to my buddy and he with same flirty grin said great. I continued rubbing my wife's leg and asked if I had missed anything, just as the words were coming from my mouth my hand and fingers had made there way to my wife pussy and I commented to her how turned on and wet she was. She just smiled and said the massage so far had been awesome and I commented it must be because she was soaked and I asked if he had just poured half the bottle of oil on her pussy and he said nope it was all natural and then wife said that they had gotten pretty comfy with each other while I was gone.

 

I was told the massage started with her laying face down and him rubbing her shoulders and back after about 10 min she rolled over on her back he started back on her shoulders them began massaging her breast and nipples then slowly moved down to her pussy then back up to her breasts. As he continued he got a bit more bold and inserted first one finger than 2 and started finger fucking her while sucking on her nipples, she then said she reached out and started rubbing his hard cock through his jockeys, he then paused and removed his under ware and while still playing with her pussy she took his cock in her mouth and started sucking his cock. Then was told the got in 69 and enjoyed each other for a while. Then he turned himself around and began sucking her pussy from the end of the table she said she had several orgasms, as she was recovering from one orgasm he moved up to kiss her and she took his cock and guided it to her pussy. The both stopped and asked each other if they should wait until I return but as he was asking she trusted her hips up and his lg cock head slid into her pussy. He asked if he should take it out but was told no she wanted him to fuck her she couldn’t wait until I returned. So they had the first round to themselves and he said he didn’t last long and had cum very quickly after only fucking her for about 5 min. but said he didn’t stop fucking her and stayed in her pussy and fucked her until he heard me get home with our kid but couldn’t stop fucking her and filled her pussy again with his cum then got quickly dressed just in case the kid decided to barge in the bedroom.

 

So after them describing what I had missed and me playing with her wet cum filled pussy while she still lay on the massage table, I stripped down as did he and we led the wife over to the bed and she got in the doggie position so I could fuck her from behind while she sucked his cock. As my cock head was sliding in her pussy it started pushing his cum out and it was running down her leg onto the sheets. Wife had a cock in her mouth me in her pussy and she was having one continuous orgasm. Well I didn’t last long and filled her with my cum, she turned around and mounted his cock as she suck our combined cum from my cock, He lasted much longer than I did and after another 10 min he loaded her with his cum again. Knowing he was filling her pussy again and the great cock sucking I was getting from wife I lost it and filled her mouth with my cum. We repeated this for another hour until we could not get hard anymore.

 

When all was done she had taken 5 cum shots in her pussy and one she swallowed.

 

[incommunicado 228]

Totally hot! Congrats! Now... just to make sure... this is the recount of the FIRST time your wife was with your friend? Or the second? It seems like they were already familiar by the time this one happened. Just want to make sure you aren't holding out on us .

[wpcplindy 68]

Yes this was first time wife had a new cock sense we have been together and her very first threesome ever.