Is male bisexuality an evolving thing?

[ViSexual 1,008]

My wife and I got into swinging in the late seventies. Even back then, I can remember one guy who was bisexual, admitted it, and was accepted. But, other than him, I don't think any of the husbands were, or would admit it.

 

I've noticed, over the years that I've frequented this great site, that it seems more and more people are becoming more and more accepting of male bisexuality in the lifestyle.

 

Is the lifestyle evolving?

 

And, I've given it some thought to a personal perspective too.

 

OK, like most of the men here, I've never seen a man who gave my groin that little twitch that seeing a hot lady does. Hey, that's my definition of straight! LOL!

 

But I do remember when, at around 12, me and a friend decided to see what a hand, other than our own, would feel like on our cocks. And, how surprised, confused, and just totally 'homophobified' I was when I realized that his cock in my hand felt just as good as my cock in his hand!

 

Years later I let a guy attend to me out of, more need, than desire. Wasn't bad but not something I did again anytime soon.

 

More years and I actually tried it myself and found that it wasn't bad at all.

 

Well, now I'm in my sixties. I'm very happily married and would never want to not be. But, if I liked a guy, sure, I'd play with him as long as he wasn't gay. And, the reason for him not being gay is solely for avoidance of drama.

 

So, I guess I've evolved over time too! Anyone else have a similar evolution?

[SecretAsianMan 348]

I remember when I was MUCH younger - anything even approaching "homosexual behavior" was looked down upon and you'd be setting yourself up for hate & ridicule if you (as a guy) showed any signs or proclivities towards bisexuality or homosexuality (which were *so* closely tied together in my social circles)

 

As I've grown & explored more as an adult - I've gotten involved in MFM threesomes & group sexual situations ... (some of which involved bisexual men).

 

I noticed something which always struck me as ... wrong. Women were encouraged / applauded for exploring & displaying all aspects of their sexuality. But men... if they had any inclinations towards bisexuality were encouraged to do nothing more than hide it.

 

It just seemed unfair. And everywhere I looked, swinger-sites... polyamorous groups ... bisexual women were all the rage. And I *very* rarely saw anything to encourage / positively accept bisexual men.

 

It wasn't until I started getting involved in a "theatrical" hobby where being gay or bisexual was not required to be hidden that my mind was eased some.

 

At this point in my life... I'm comfortable seeing people of all genders express themselves sexually in whatever combinations they find works for them.

[TNT 1,155]

ViSexual said:

I've noticed, over the years that I've frequented this great site, that it seems more and more people are becoming more and more accepting of male bisexuality in the lifestyle.

 

Is the lifestyle evolving?

 

I can't tell you 100% that the lifestyle is evolving, but I would put money on it. As with most things in life everything evolves and changes and swinging is no different.

 

I can tell you, after being on this board for a LOT of years, that the acceptance of bi-male sexuality topics has definitely improved. Years ago when a topic of male bisexuality was brought up it didn't go well at all. There were few who could discuss it in a friendly manner and/or felt that bisexual males had any place in swinging. Now, a male bisexuality thread is a lot more accepted and not so much out of the norm and bi-males seem to generally be a bit more accepted in swinging as well (or it seems that way to us).

 

I do know for us, when we first started swinging, hearing about or knowing of a man that was bi wasn't something that happened. Now, it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. Of course the number people we know has increased and the number of different groups we hang out with has increased so it would make since that we know bi-men and hear about a lot more. But, even when we hang with the very first group of people we met in swinging, they too aren't as hung-up on male bisexuality now as they once seemed to be.

 

Like SAM said, we're now at a point in our lives that regardless of your gender or sexuality, if we like you and you like us lets party and have a good time in whatever combination works.

 

Teresa

[midnightplayer 135]

Bi married men is exploding in numbers, much it due to their wives refusing to be sexual in their later years, and ignoring their husband's needs. Second, male on male play is not as radically condemned as it was in the past. Much more acceptance in the world in general. Third, male to male play is not gay but just sex. If you still enjoy women and men so be it. Close your eyes and how can you tell what gender the mouth is sucking your hard. The sexual world of men is definitely changing and expanding.

[Chicup 41]

I'm afraid I can't quite agree with the number of bisexual men, exploding, because their wives are not paying attention to them sexually. Unless you are in prison, you have other options if your wife is inattentive, which have been around for quite some time. Some would argue since the beginning of time.

 

I too have noticed an increase in the 'bi male' aspects of swinging, at least on the board. I do not believe this is a real trend in terms of changing numbers in sexuality. It's more of a trend in coming out of the closet, again at least anonymously. What I am trying to say is that I doubt the overall number of males open to bisexual activity has changed as a %, but the number willing to talk about it and try to find it has.

 

Still I think most are not open about it directly and will use the 'very open minded' or other phrases that can be used for plausible deniability.

[ViSexual 1,008]

I do think that some men are seeking sex because of the 'lack of' at home and find it easier to have it with another man than another woman. And, I might ad, with a buddy there's much less chance of drama than with a lady.

 

But I don't think that is the majority. I know the men I've discussed this with are fairly happy at home, both emotionally and sexually. It's more the desire to explore something different and exciting.

 

I equate it more to seeking out a playmate at a party who is completely different than your spouse. It's the variety that's the appeal for most in swinging, right?

[Chicup 41]

If you are bisexual yes.

 

Willingness to come forward versus the desire to be bisexual.

 

Many men may have bisexual feelings but are unwilling to come forward, and perhaps are now more willing to. What I don't think you will see is an increase in men with the basic desire to be bisexual, that will be pretty much flat.

[good times 991]

I have noticed more openly bisexual guys showing up on the swinger ad sites. I haven't noticed anyone who I have known in the lifestyle who has decided to "come out" as being bi though. The only change I have noticed is that more are willing to accept bisexual men in the lifestyle than a few years ago.

[Brian and Jo 344]

There is no doubt in our minds that the lifestyle is evolving. When we started to swing in the late 1970's female bisexuality was rare and male bisexuality was unheard of. Then female bi became much more common, even perhaps the norm - at least it is in our group of couples where all six ladies are bi. More recently male bi has become more common and accepted in our experience. Of course oral male bi play seems to be more acceptable than full male bi. It is our view that the increasing prevalence of bi play over the years has added considerably to our enjoyment of sex with other partners. It is both pleasing and comfortable to know that when we are with another couple (or couples) we do not have to be concerned about who we are touching, where we are touching them and what we are touching them with.

[ViSexual 1,008]

Of course oral male bi play seems to be more acceptable than full male bi. .

 

Very interesting observation, and very true! When bi women play it's almost expected that kissing, for example, will be part of the foreplay.

 

But, with two men, it's more often only mutual oral gratification.

 

Well, we men do seem to think only with our penises so I guess it's only natural that we think only about our penises, and each others! LOL!

 

OK, I think one reason a man will try it is to learn what his wife or girlfriends experience when they do it to him. So, guys, aren't you also curious about the whole experience they feel? I've admitted, for years, that I was 'curious'..., now I'm beginning to be completely 'curious'!

[The Fuse 1,012]

I'm with the folks that have said male bisexuality is becoming more accepted by society in general, and that's reflected within the swinging community.

[Lascivious L&L 866]

Many men simply don't know they are bisexual. I certainly didn't think I was until my mid twenties when I first encountered a bisexual man in swinging. When he talked about how he enjoyed it, it piqued my interest. When I finally tried it, I was amazed at how I'd ignored it all those years.

 

With the emphasis by society on the negativity of bisexuality, many men will never try it because they have been conditioned not to think positively about it. With it more likely to be talked about, more men will think about trying it. Meeting someone who has tried it, who obviously loves women, but enjoys also playing with men, helps breaks the ignorant and silly assumption that it is "gay".

 

Oral bisexuality is full bisexuality to many. If you don't enjoy anal sex with a woman, as some men don't, why would you enjoy it with a man? Some gay men don't enjoy anal either. There are oral only gay men, just as there are oral only bi men, just as there are pussy and oral only hetero men.

[ViSexual 1,008]

Lascivious L&L said:

Oral bisexuality is full bisexuality to many.

 

Of course! But, what I was referring to was more the intimate contact other than just intercourse, in whatever manner. You know, the kissing and other intimacies that the bisexual ladies enjoy.

[GerdOEvert 51]

In the late 70's male bisexuality was present, but done in closed rooms, or back at each others places.

 

It was not out in the open, except on Thursday nights at the Club, which was bi night for both genders.

 

Women were bi sexual at the clubs all the time, and they enjoyed being watched. Men did not.

[appliancesex 66]

Interesting thread.

 

When my fiance and I started swinging a few years ago, we were worried about how others would receive our admitted bisexuality. When we approached hosts, only one of them told us that they would prefer I not come with her, but that she was more than welcome to come alone.

 

While that was a little absurd to us, we appreciated his honesty and moved on. The other hosts told us that there weren't many men who were openly bi but that the host was 'certain' that some of the men were. They all told us to just be honest about where our motives were and to ask others about theirs and more often than not we would have a good time.

 

I don't know what life was like in the seventies, nor would I even venture a guess, but recently it has been my personal impression that while people are okay with the idea of bi men around, they are less inclined to include them as openly as they would a bi woman.

[Robin1302 15]

I have noticed more openly bisexual guys showing up on the swinger ad sites. I haven't noticed anyone who I have known in the lifestyle who has decided to "come out" as being bi though. The only change I have noticed is that more are willing to accept bisexual men in the lifestyle than a few years ago.

 

This is most certainly the case, in our experience, in Australia ... bi guys seem to be much more welcome. We have seen swinging groups actively seeking genuinely active bi men.

 

We have also seen that women seem to be far more accepting of bi-male activity and, in fact, enjoy either watching or actively participating with bi-guys.

 

We are both bisexual and our choice has never been an obstacle in our enjoyment of the swinging lifestyle, in fact it has probably enhanced it.

[luckycple 17]

I don't view as being bisexual but I have no problem being in a big ball of sweaty horny people and everyone grabbing everyone. It's all about the sex to me. Would I go off and have a one on one with another guy? No, but I have no problem getting stroked or stroking someone in a group setting with my wife.

[realcplub2 513]

There are actually two reasons why the lifestyle is evolving.

 

Yes, there are some indications that people in general are more accepting.

 

But there is another factor, the younger people, the next generation becoming involved in the lifestyle are by far, or at least appear to be, are predominantly bisexual... male and female.

[ViSexual 1,008]

You nailed it, Putnam Couple! I hadn't really considered that but it's also why the military is changing. I've heard several times that the military will accept gays openly, but only after the old farts retire! LOL! The young troops just don't have a problem with it.

[Suburbia 130]

My husband is bi. I can't tell you how the lifestyle has evolved over the years... but I can tell you that some couples don't want anything to do with us because he is bi. Even with assurances that there would never be any unwanted touching.

 

It has limited our opportunities so severely that he spoke with me about changing his profile from bi-curious to straight. I would not let him.

 

My point here is that many bi men probably used to (and many probably still do) say they are straight to avoid the social stigma.

 

I think our lifestyle is on the leading edge of progressive in the vanilla world so if the vanilla world is more accepting our lifestyle is that much more accepting.

[Chicup 41]

My husband is bi. I can't tell you how the lifestyle has evolved over the years... but I can tell you that some couples don't want anything to do with us because he is bi. Even with assurances that there would never be any unwanted touching.

 

It has limited our opportunities so severely that he spoke with me about changing his profile from bi-curious to straight. I would not let him.

 

My point here is that many bi men probably used to (and many probably still do) say they are straight to avoid the social stigma.

 

I think our lifestyle is on the leading edge of progressive in the vanilla world so if the vanilla world is more accepting our lifestyle is that much more accepting.

 

Don't confuse accepting with wanting to have sex with though.

 

I'm completely accepting of homosexual males living together as a couple but that doesn't mean I would want to have sex with a man.

 

Certain things can be a sexual turn-off even when you are accepting of them.

[ViSexual 1,008]

I don't think Suburbia meant that more men are wanting to have sex with other men than before at all.

 

Just like more women didn't want to have sex with other women because it was acceptable in swinging years ago.

 

It's just that, like women having sex with other women for years in swinging was cool for those interested, now men (who want to) can ask permission without being afraid they'll be asked to leave.

[Alura 2,774]

When the early AIDS epidemic was traced to one insatiable homosexual airlines steward, who brought it from Africa and tried his best to spread it around the bath houses of America's major cities, as well as our own disinterest, we chose to not include bisexual males in our play time. I think most of those early victims have died off, so it's probably no longer as great an issue.

 

These days I don't have to make such a decision.

[Suburbia 130]

I am shocked to see such open bigotry amongst the lifestyle!

[appliancesex 66]

Alura said:

When the early AIDS epidemic was traced to one insatiable homosexual airlines steward, who brought it from Africa and tried his best to spread it around the bath houses of America's major cities, as well as our own disinterest, we chose to not include bisexual males in our play time. I think most of those early victims have died off, so it's probably no longer as great an issue.

 

These days I don't have to make such a decision.

 

You know, I've heard this angle before, how a male homosexual steward started the whole aids thingamajig. I did a little novice research here, and at the risk of being verifiably lambasted by our resident AIDS expert, highlander, I'm going to have to disagree with the notion that gaëtan dugas was the one that started it (though he certainly didn't help the situation).

 

AIDS has been identified as early as the late 1950s. it's assumed that AIDS spread to the Americas from Haiti via the Republic of Congo in the late 60's, but was rather unknown until being identified in the early 80's.

 

personally, I think that it could be safer to say that the reason AIDS spread so quickly was due to promiscuity rather than one's sexual preference. This is due to the fact that people who have had it pre-1970 were unquestionably heterosexual.

 

In my opinion, it's fine for you to be against sharing your bed with bisexual men, but i think your reasoning is a little flat.

 

Suburbia said:

I am shocked to see such open bigotry amongst the lifestyle!

 

I don't think this is bigotry at all. It's just a preference as to whom you want to spend your time swinging with. It just happens to be a broader scope in comparison to height, weight, eye color, etc. Personally, I'd rather know people's honest opinion about where they stand with having me in their bedroom. It's a huge turn-off not to be able to be myself at the risk of making someone feel uncomfortable.

[Suburbia 130]

There is a line somewhere between personal preference and bigotry. Everyone probably has to define it for themselves. It crosses the line to my mind but I respect that it wouldn't cross the line to others.

 

I think making a judgement about all others in a group based on the actions of one person in that group is bigotry.

 

However, as soon as I write that I think: By the same token I might say I don't want to sleep with brown haired men because they remind me of my ex who hit me.

 

Is this bigotry toward brown haired men or is it just personal preference?

 

You might be right and Alura's statements might not be bigoted and may just be personal preference. I'm inclined to lead toward bigotry.

 

If someone says they are disinclined to sleep with us because my husband is bi I appreciate and respect that. If someone says they are disinclined to sleep with us because my husband is bi and therefore has a higher risk of having HIV/AIDS I'll not only believe they are wrong, but bigoted against non-straight people and using AIDS to fear monger their hatred.

 

But I do see that the lines are blurry and not everyone is going to agree with me.

[slevin 1,374]

If someone says they are disinclined to sleep with us because my husband is bi I appreciate and respect that. If someone says they are disinclined to sleep with us because my husband is bi and therefore has a higher risk of having HIV/AIDS I'll not only believe they are wrong, but bigoted against non-straight people and using AIDS to fear monger their hatred.

 

Receiving anal sex carries a higher risk of transferring aids than oral or vaginal sex. Should someone be worried about that enough to not have sex with anyone who has anal sex? That is up to them, but there is definitely a higher risk there.

[ViSexual 1,008]

First of all, I remember hearing that AIDS spread here from Cuba. Cuba was involved in an African war and some of the soldiers got AIDS. Then, Castro sent them to the U.S. to protect his Island. And, it spread so much because our government thought it was strictly a homosexual disease and not such a bad thing and didn't spend anything on research.

 

About bigotry?

 

To my way of thinking if you avoid a guy at a swinger's party because you know he's bisexual, and you're not interested in that, it isn't bigotry.

 

But if you approach him just to tell him to stay away from you, then it is!

 

And, if you're truly not interested in bisexuality then why are you on this thread? Maybe just bigotry?

[SW_PA_Couple 4,024]

. . . Is this bigotry toward brown haired men or is it just personal preference? . . .

OK, now I must comment. If you apply a general assumption about all brown-hair men based upon your experience about one brown-hair man then you carry a prejudice (you pre-judge brown hair men). If you publicly promote a campaign to have brown-hair men rounded up and "sent back to the place from whence they came", then you are a bigot. If, in a room full of men, you find yourself levitating to the men you have red hair, then you are expressing a preference.

[Suburbia 130]

There are definitely some good thoughts here.

 

SW-PA-couple... I don't share a difference between prejudice and bigotry in my lexicon, but I appreciate and respect that you do.

 

I would like to say, in fairness, that I am bigoted against those who show an intolerance against LGBT.

[ruffleschips 15]

I think there is a link between male bi-curiosity and age.

 

In my experience, a lot of straight men who have never had the slightest interest in touching another man in their early lives can often find themselves developing an attraction to men's genitals as they get older (late 30's or early 40's). I think this natural tendency is amplified even further if a couple spends a lot of play time with a single male and the wife plants a seed in the husband's mind by communicating to him how erotic it is to her to see two men touching each others bodies and how much she would love to share such an experience with her husband.

[ViSexual 1,008]

I agree about age, or at least maturity.

 

Young guys can sure be homophobic yet as they get older, and more comfortable with themselves, it's easier to accept the fact that it's OK to be curious.

 

And, of course, if you're the adventurous type (and wouldn't you think most men who swing are) it's OK to give it a try.

[bobo 16]

I think there is a link between male bi-curiosity and age.

 

In my experience, a lot of straight men who have never had the slightest interest in touching another man in their early lives can often find themselves developing an attraction to men's genitals as they get older (late 30's or early 40's).

 

From personal experience, I agree. I am older than most of you. As I got older , I have gotten curious about men's equipment. I like looking at men with erections on usenet. Just about a month ago I was at an adult video arcade. It had glory holes. First time I had seen one. The man in the next booth stuck his erection through the hole. It was rather long and big. It looked clean and I thought it was a very nice one. I played with it and gave him oral as best I could. It was difficult to get to him because of space. I did enjoy doing it. The feel of him in my mouth and feeling him liking it. He did not cum. I didn't want that. A few minutes after he left, another man came in and stuck his through the hole. His was about as long and not as big around and not cut. I was not attracted to his. I played with it but that's all. I think he was younger. Never saw any more of either except their dick. I will probably go back again. My wife who I do still love very much is ill and in no condition for sexual activity. Is this cheating? I don't think so. I would die before letting her or anybody else know this. I don't consider myself gay or even seriously bi. Given a choice of a clean, decent, man or woman, I would normally take the woman. I am curious though, I would like one time to find a man that I knew was clean suck him to completion while deep-throating him.

 

Sorry about the length of this. I have no interest about a man doing me. I would let him if he wanted it. Never any kissing or anal.

[Chicup 41]

bobo said:

From personal experience, I agree. I am older than most of you. As I got older , I have gotten curious about men's equipment. I like looking at men with erections on usenet. Just about a month ago I was at an adult video arcade. It had glory holes. First time I had seen one. The man in the next booth stuck his erection through the hole. It was rather long and big. It looked clean and I thought it was a very nice one. I played with it and gave him oral as best I could. It was difficult to get to him because of space. I did enjoy doing it. The feel of him in my mouth and feeling him liking it. He did not cum. I didn't want that. A few minutes after he left, another man came in and stuck his through the hole. His was about as long and not as big around and not cut. I was not attracted to his. I played with it but that's all. I think he was younger. Never saw any more of either except their dick. I will probably go back again. My wife who I do still love very much is ill and in no condition for sexual activity. Is this cheating? I don't think so. I would die before letting her or anybody else know this. I don't consider myself gay or even seriously bi. Given a choice of a clean, decent, man or woman, I would normally take the woman. I am curious though, I would like one time to find a man that I knew was clean suck him to completion while deep-throating him.

 

Sorry about the length of this. I have no interest about a man doing me. I would let him if he wanted it. Never any kissing or anal.

 

UPDATE 1-1 in 5 gay, bisexual men in US cities has HIV | Reuters

 

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UPDATE 1-1 in 5 gay, bisexual men in US cities has HIV

 

CHICAGO, Sept 23 (Reuters) - Nearly one in five gay and bisexual men in 21 major U.S. cities are infected with HIV, and nearly half of them do not know it, U.S. health officials said on Thursday.

 

Young men, and especially young black men, are least likely to know if they are infected with HIV, according to a study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

 

But the penis looked 'clean' right? And yeah, it's cheating.

[corynlaine 118]

Yeah. ignoring the blatant homophobia.

 

The latest national sex survey is quite interesting.

 

% of Americans Performing Certain Sexual Behaviors in Last Year

 

It seems that consistently - male bi-sexuality or at least MM sexual experimentation is more prevalent than FF in main stream society. So , one has to wonder what is going on?

[slevin 1,374]

corynlaine said:

Yeah, ignoring the blatant homophobia

 

The latest national sex survey is quite interesting.

 

% of Americans Performing Certain Sexual Behaviors in Last Year

 

It seems that consistently - male bi-sexuality or at least MM sexual experimentation is more prevalent than FF in main stream society. So , one has to wonder what is going on?

 

You got that from the graph? What I saw was mostly statistically insignificant except for between th 40-60 age groups where there was more MM than FF activity. In the rest it was so close (in both directions) that it's statistically insignificant.

[corynlaine 118]

You got that from the graph? What I saw was mostly statistically insignificant except for between th 40-60 age groups where there was more MM than FF activity. In the rest it was so close (in both directions) that it's statistically insignificant.

 

OK, I'll give you that, maybe it's statistically insignificant,

 

BUT when you are considering it in the context of the open homophobia EVEN on sites like this one by certain posters and when you consider the radically less tolerance of mm vs ff in the general public I believe that it is reasonable to assume that mm activity is far more UNDER reported than ff.

 

After all while both can and are often discriminated against the severity and the reactions are far different. Take these two recent news events - I know that this is anecdotal but I still think it is fairly representative.

 

Lesbian couple meets with shopping center officials over ouster - CNN.com

 

vs

 

"7 arrested in brutal attack on gay man in NYC - CharlotteObserver.com"

[slevin 1,374]

OK, I'll give you that, maybe it's statistically insignificant,

 

BUT when you are considering it in the context of the open homophobia EVEN on sites like this one by certain posters and when you consider the radically less tolerance of mm vs ff in the general public I believe that it is reasonable to assume that mm activity is far more UNDER reported than ff.

 

After all while both can and are often discriminated against the severity and the reactions are far different. Take these two recent news events - I know that this is anecdotal but I still think it is fairly representative.

 

Lesbian couple meets with shopping center officials over ouster - CNN.com

 

vs

7 arrested in brutal attack on gay man in NYC - CharlotteObserver.com

 

While violence against gay men does still happen, that is a rarity these days; in most areas of North America at least. I am sure I could pick out a Lesbian bashing story too My understanding though is that the violence most often applying to Lesbian couples is domestic violence.

 

Agreed that men likely under-report their homosexual activities. That may be why the number goes up in the 40-60 year old range. By that time you care less, are more secure in who you are and aren't worried about the connotations that come with your choices. I am sure someone could do a great job of some deep analysis of this given enough access to real data. Based on this we're just inferring our own opinions onto static data.

[Guest thewriter]

Bi has been around as long a man. Just in the past 20 years being a bi male is becoming more accepted.

[DaggersNRoses 271]

Since this thread is a couple of years old, I'd like to ask...do you think acceptance has increased as quickly as you thought in 2010 if you felt a few years ago it was evolving to acceptance.

[Lascivious L&L 866]

1st problem with the study: The actual report did not give statistics for bisexual men. Here is what the body of the report said:

 

"Overall, they found that 19 percent of gay men are infected with HIV.

The study found that 28 percent of gay black men infected with HIV, compared with 18 percent of Hispanic men and 16 percent of white men."

 

Gay men, not bisexual men. The headline is misleading.

 

2nd problem: The sample was recruited from gay bars, clubs, and social organizations.

3rd problem: 2/3 of the sample were men who lived alone.

4th problem: The median age of gay men in this study was 32 years old

 

So they selected young gay men who live alone and frequent gay bars, the ones most likely to engage in risky behavior for their study. It was not a representative sample, nor a scientific sample, but a sample designed for maximum HIV impact.

[John Down 15]

Interesting thread - appreciate the many facets of this topic - thanks for the openness

[GMOFLEISURE 221]

I was actively bisexual back in the 1970s & early 1980s, then went 'straight' for several decades. It does seem to be a bit more accepted and open among the under 30 crowd now, but the older swingers still don't seem much more accepting than back in 1980. Perhaps half the couples swaps or play I participated in back then included mm sex. However I was consciously selecting partners who were open to bi m/m activity. Maybe we are near a tipping point in general acceptance.

[GMOFLEISURE 221]

1st problem with the study: The actual report did not give statistics for bisexual men. Here is what the body of the report said:

 

"Overall, they found that 19 percent of gay men are infected with HIV.

The study found that 28 percent of gay black men infected with HIV, compared with 18 percent of Hispanic men and 16 percent of white men."

 

Gay men, not bisexual men. The headline is misleading.

 

2nd problem: The sample was recruited from gay bars, clubs, and social organizations.

3rd problem: 2/3 of the sample were men who lived alone.

4th problem: The median age of gay men in this study was 32 years old

 

So they selected young gay men who live alone and frequent gay bars, the ones most likely to engage in risky behavior for their study. It was not a representative sample, nor a scientific sample, but a sample designed for maximum HIV impact.

 

Hmmm some back of the envelope calculations suggest the actual percentage of AIDs among the total population of males who have had sex with other males at least once is somewhere south of 1%. If you only include males who have had m/m sex two or more times then it may be over 2%.

 

Thats my unscientific take. Tho I see a possible 2% incidence as still a good reason to use condoms, wash after sex, use mouth wash, and use good judgement in selecting partners.

[gsu22 187]

The guys I have sex with have said they've often had interest in men but we're afraid at younger ages to act given society's view of MM sex. As they've got older, they stopped caring and started exploring. I think 2016's very different than just 6 years ago. I'd love to see people being comfortable with bi men as much as they are with bi women

[GMOFLEISURE 221]

I'd agree things have changed some in the last 5-10 years. A large number of people under 30 are much more open about bi sexuality, or homosexuality. Along with that a more open sexuality or communication seems to be in place. I'm overhearing public conversations I'd not heard in prevous decades.

[lizard-lix 32]

I'm lifelong bi and at one of the swinger's clubs we went to, I'd practically get shunned for even bringing up the subject. At the other club, they had bi male nights (of course bi women were always applauded at any time). So it is opening up in some places at least.

 

When my wife decided not to play with others and gave me a hall pass, I was on my own. Single males are not generally welcome in the swinger lifestyle in any place, so I went to the kink club. That was LGBTQ friendly from the start and where I stayed!

 

As a single bi male, I still feel unwelcome in the swinger community, but the kink community has been totally open. Finding partners is not an issue, if we connect, we play, in any combination. So the result is that I am starting a bi play group with one of my play partners to avoid the whole scene altogether.

[GMOFLEISURE 221]

I've found there are swinger couples who do look for a bi male. I'm not much into weird cuckold scenes, but there are enough into simple m/m sex that I've met several in the past year. I'm unsure if it is just the venue where I communicate, or if these couples are looking elsewhere.

[lizard-lix 32]

I've found there are swinger couples who do look for a bi male. I'm not much into weird cuckold scenes, but there are enough into simple m/m sex that I've met several in the past year. I'm unsure if it is just the venue where I communicate, or if these couples are looking elsewhere.

 

 

Thanks! I'll have to look around here (Triangle area of NC). But I have to admit, setting up a bi playgroup is going pretty well, so I may not need to. Of course getting ladies to join is harder than getting men, but we have two couples interested already. Not into cuck or anything like that either, just a fun free-for-all...

[NWAtlSwing 522]

I have to say we are wary of bi males who are married. It is hard to sort out the men with hall passes and those who are on the side so to speak.