Hall pass, does it come with restrictions?

[D&D 362]

We are discussing hall passes for both of us when I have to travel out of town for work. What are your experiences with this? In one sense I am incredibly turned on by giving her a pass and in another I get twinges of doubt about it. When you give a pass to your other half is it an open pass to do anybody or does it come with restrictions?

[tallicafan 41]

We both have a pass to play with two of our different play friends. Our only rules are that we tell each other about it , and that we reconnect ourselves with some hot love making. No secrets. I love for her to be pleasured and if a hot opportunity came up, take it. Just tell me the juicy details later. She has the same conditions for me and wants me to have the same fun! We communicate about everything and this hasn't been an issue at all.

[km34 672]

We have open ended hall passes here. We can both do pretty much whatever we want, whenever we want as long as the other is informed that it is going to happen (or if it is a sudden thing, informed immediately after). It is incredibly hot to come home and share the story, or if one of us is out of town to share it over the phone, and see/hear how excited it makes the other.

 

If either of you have twinges of jealousy thinking about it, I wouldn't do it, but if it is just twinges of worry for the unknown, you could always go for a limited hall pass. Like you could just do things with clothes ON and see how it makes you feel knowing she has done something without you. If you enjoy it and don't feel any negative reaction at all, next time you could try going all the way.

[angelkin 1,326]

We have hall passes for when one of us (usually me) is out of town on business. Neither of us has used it yet. The only caveat is that if I am meet someone, I need to call to just let him know. Once, I made drinks/dinner arrangements with someone I met, hubby asked a few questions and gave me his blessing. Unfortunately, it didn't work out - I got stuck in a late business dinner.

 

When I am traveling, I work all day and into the evening. I don't seek out "friends", but am open to a friendly guy at the bar or hotel lobby. There's also the added complication of I am usually at a convention of some kind. I wouldn't want to hook up with someone who knew me as a business associate.

 

All in all, we don't have regular playmates or an open relationship at any other time - but we have talked about meeting friends separately - or being borrowed for a threesome.

[SW_PA_Couple 4,024]

I don't know if you can correctly call a hall pass having a string attached a hall pass but that is the kind of pass that both of us have.

 

Examples:

 

- She says, "I am driving to Cleveland on Thursday to see so-and-so. I expect to be back at 7."

 

- I say, "Placed a 'Hot Date' at SLS for Sacramento to see if there are fun people to meet while I am there." If I am contacted and meet people, she knows who they are and when I'm meeting them.

 

Neither of expect stories to be told after any meet-up of this kind but we usually do have things to relate.

[D&D 362]

Thanks All,

 

We're going to try it out this week and see how it goes. Mrs D&D has a set up for this week while I'm gone for work travel. its going to be interesting to see how I feel about her doing this by herself. When we started down this path a couple of months ago it was our intention to only play together. This is a new set of feelings for me to get used to. I guess, if you love her you got to let her go.

[Alura 2,774]

Thanks All,

 

We're going to try it out this week and see how it goes. Mrs D&D has a set up for this week while I'm gone for work travel. its going to be interesting to see how I feel about her doing this by herself. When we started down this path a couple of months ago it was our intention to only play together. This is a new set of feelings for me to get used to. I guess, if you love her you got to let her go.

 

While we were looking for our first playcouple, Mrs. Alura met an attractive man who asked her out even though he knew she was married. We agreed she should take him up on his invitation the next time I was out of town on business. She found the sex to be boring; so was the story she told me later. We gave up the idea and concentrated on finding a couple. When that finally happened, it was certainly not boring!

 

Alura

[DarkenFreaky 15]

Hall passes can work when limits (or lack of) are clearly defined and nothing but entertainment is the desired outcome.

Alan & Dee aka as DarkenFreaky

[two4youinswva 3,068]

I think hall passes can be a very slippery slope for many couples.

 

Over the past few years there have been more than a few couples on the board that have related how they have hall passes for whatever reason, and how well it worked for them. Eventually you find out that this little arrangement didn't turn out exactly how they planned, and from there its easy to infer that it may have harmed the relationship.

 

I think the key is keeping hall passes to a minimum, and not relying on them as the primary method of swinging/non-monogamy. How often "too often" is will obviously vary from couple to couple.

[Alura 2,774]

I think hall passes can be a very slippery slope for many couples.

 

Good Point! It does seem a lot of the "Hall Pass" couples who have come here didn't stay long and often changed to "single." (Research anyone?) "Hall Passes" were very rare for us, limited to the time we plotted the seduction of our high school sweethearts, and a couple of special experiments.

 

It's better for a couple to swing together, in my opinion.

 

Alura

[km34 672]

I think the key is keeping hall passes to a minimum, and not relying on them as the primary method of swinging/non-monogamy. How often "too often" is will obviously vary from couple to couple.

 

I really like this piece of advice. I agree it shouldn't be the primary mode of swinging. Ever. But every once in a while it is fun to step out and do something different - especially if there is a situation out of your control (traveling for work or the like) that means you'll be apart for a while. I enjoy the sharing the story part as much as if not more than the actual encounter on most occasions.

[D&D 362]

An update: Last week while I traveled I gave mrs D&D a hall pass for the week. I knew who she was going to be with.

I short I didn't like it at all. For the first one I knew with whom and when it was going to occur. I was a nervous wreck during that time and after, my heart was pounding for the entire afternoon. When we initially called to speak with each other I didn't want to talk about it at all. It was really a pretty big turn-off for me, for a couple of hours after I really didn't even want to think about having sex. It wasn't until later that evening when we could reconnect via some good phone sex that the issues went away. The second time she met a friend, whom I don't really get along with hence we don't play as a couple. For that one I just ended up telling her I didn't want to know when or what or how. When I returned home a couple of days later we ended up speaking about that experience. But I still just didn't really want to hear about anything specific.

 

I don't know what to make of this as when we play together I really enjoy that she is with someone else. For the most part what she is doing doesn't really enter my thoughts as I am pretty focused on the person I am with. Of course since we have as until now only played in the same room together so there is a significant amount of being with her too. Its like we are doing this together. I think that some of the problem is that when we play together I know that our reconnection is imminent. When I was 3000 miles away that reconnection just can't occur. So far what I have liked best about swinging we those moments of reconnection... Especially the next day reconnection.

 

So for now no more hall passes. This is disappointing to me, and to her, because I travel a lot and both of us could take advantage of this. Perhaps what we need to do is step back a little and try playing in separate rooms or something similar where I can begin to come to terms with the lack of immediate reconnection.

[sweet_tna 680]

Last year, my hubby was asked to take a temporary assignment at his employer that had him out of town five days a week. He came home on weekends and holidays, which was very hard on all of us. He and I discussed the possibility of issuing each other "hall passes" while he was out of town. As I knew Mr. Sweet would not put his hall pass to use, I declined to do so, as well.

 

Upon his return from that assignment, he was given a new position at work that kept him traveling, though not quite as often. We put the hall pass topic back on the table, and I discovered his main reasons for declining his were that working all day and doing school work (online MBA), he was exhausted. He simply did not have the energy to go out and meet new people, and he did not wish to play with anyone with whom he worked.

 

As he began traveling a bunch this year, he made it clear that he was okay with me making use of a hall pass--so long as it was with a trusted playmate. I have used it a few times, and with no regrets. While he doesn't really want to hear all the details, Mr. Sweet does enjoy the reconnect with me.

 

We still prefer to play as a couple, but having this option is nice for when I get an itch and he's away. I hope someday that Mr. Sweet gives his hall pass a test run, though.

 

=)

[D&D 362]

Sweet tna, I wish I was there. It turns me on, makes me want to go to bed and get insane with her, just thinking about her playing while I'm gone. So I can understand how someone can hope that a spouse/partner enjoys a hall pass. However when she did use the hall pass it turned me inside out and makes me acutely aware of the fact that she wasn't with me and that I was thousands of miles and a couple of days away from being with her. And while the discomfort went away after we talked and when I returned home it just didn't outweigh my insides being turned inside out.

[mauijanedoe 1,414]

However when she did use the hall pass it turned me inside out and makes me acutely aware of the fact that she wasn't with me and that I was thousands of miles and a couple of days away fro being with her. And while the discomfort went away after we talked and when I returned home it just didn't outweigh my insides being turned inside out.

 

He has a hall pass, with limits and conditions, including telling me all about it, because it turns me on. If it made me even a little uncomfortable, there wouldn't be a hall pass. This stuff is supposed to be fun, after all!

[sweet_tna 680]

Sweet tna, I wish I was there. It turns me on, makes me want to go to bed and get insane with her, just thinking about her playing while I'm gone. So I can understand how someone can hope that a spouse/partner enjoys a hall pass. However when she did use the hall pass it turned me inside out and makes me acutely aware of the fact that she wasn't with me and that I was thousands of miles and a couple of days away from being with her. And while the discomfort went away after we talked and when I returned home it just didn't outweigh my insides being turned inside out.

 

And there's nothing wrong with that. You tried a different dynamic, and it didn't work for you. It's sweet that you want to be with the Mrs. for playtime, and if that's what works for you, stick with it.

 

=)

[WesternSwing 504]

I believe it should be an open pass for several reasons:

 

1. Restrictions and rules outside of things like "practicing safe sex" and "check-in and let me know you're alive" create issues. Someone is always wondering if the other one is breaking the rules or not. This leads to distrust, stress and arguments.
   
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3. Restrictions and rules can kill everyone's fun.
   
4. 
   
5. Restrictions and rules also apply to the person your partner is seeing and they were not there for those negotiations and to agree to them. You are in effect controlling them through controlling your partner. That's not fair to them.
   
6. 
   
7. Trying to chose who your partner can and can't do, who they should and shouldn't be sexually attracted to, just pisses-off your partner, even if they don't tell you that it does.
   

 

You just have to trust your partner. They are an adult, not a child, and don't need supervision and you can't supervise them from 800 miles away, anyway. They will either do the right thing or the wrong thing. What a person does all depends on the person, not the rules.

 

To paraphrase Ammon Hennacy, when it comes to rules and laws "Good people don't need them and bad people don't follow them anyway."

[mauijanedoe 1,414]

I believe it should be an open pass for several reasons:

 

1. Restrictions and rules outside of things like "practicing safe sex" and "check-in and let me know you're alive" create issues. Someone is always wondering if the other one is breaking the rules or not. This leads to distrust, stress and arguments.
   
2. 
   
3. Restrictions and rules can kill everyone's fun.
   
4. 
   
5. Restrictions and rules also apply to the person your partner is seeing and they were not there for those negotiations and to agree to them. You are in effect controlling them through controlling your partner. That's not fair to them.
   
6. 
   
7. Trying to chose who your partner can and can't do, who they should and shouldn't be sexually attracted to, just pisses-off your partner, even if they don't tell you that it does.
   

 

You just have to trust your partner. They are an adult, not a child, and don't need supervision and you can't supervise them from 800 miles away, anyway. They will either do the right thing or the wrong thing. What a person does all depends on the person, not the rules.

 

To paraphrase Ammon Hennacy, when it comes to rules and laws "Good people don't need them and bad people don't follow them anyway."

 

This all sounds good, in "we're all adults here" sort of way, but instead of nodding I found myself troubled.

 

1. If "practicing safe sex" and "check in and let me know you're alive" are okay, why isn't any other rule or restriction? Those are both about your and your partner's safety, and about your peace of mind, so allowing that and outlawing other things that are also about safety and peace of mind just seems like hairsplitting.

 

2. Sure, if you're inclined that way. If not, then restrictions and rules can be as playful and fun as a good pair of leather restraints.

 

3. Oh, but they are. Partners A1 and A2 agree on a set of rules. A2 conveys those rules to B1, who has the option to agree or disagree. That's eminently fair. That's leaving aside the issue that restrictions and rules aren't necessarily about control. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't.

 

4. There I agree, at least in theory, but I can see a situation where one or the other takes a possibly irrational dislike of someone. I can live with that, possibly with a head-patting "sure, sure, of course I won't have sex with that awful man" nudge and wink, but it's not a particularly onerous restriction, because there are a nearly infinite number of people who won't push that button.

 

I think every relationship has rules and restrictions and negotiated settlements, some implicit, some explicit. If it feels like control, that's either because it is - in which case a lot of talking and some therapy is probably a good idea - or because you don't understand that a relationship is an entity with its own requirements and those can supercede those of the individual. It's an issue of common good, I think.

 

Your paraphrased quote is another place where I take issue. It doesn't really hold up. The thing is that most of us are somewhere between good and bad, mostly because we all walk around with our inner toddler still alive inside of us. It's fine to let it out to play, but it still has to have a bedtime and a routine.

[flman982003 15]

I have given her a hall pass every time she goes out of town. She hasn't yet but tells me when the right man comes by she will. Told her as long as it is just sex and he leaves I have no issues.

[D&D 362]

I believe it should be an open pass for several reasons:

 

1.Restrictions and rules outside of things like "practicing safe sex" and "check-in and let me know you're alive" create issues. Someone is always wondering if the other one is breaking the rules or not. This leads to distrust, stress and arguments.

2.Restrictions and rules can kill everyone's fun.

3.Restrictions and rules also apply to the person your partner is seeing and they were not there for those negotiations and to agree to them. You are in effect controlling them through controlling your partner. That's not fair to them.

4.Trying to chose who your partner can and can't do, who they should and shouldn't be sexually attracted to, just pisses-off your partner, even if they don't tell you that it does.

 

 

You just have to trust your partner. They are an adult, not a child, and don't need supervision and you can't supervise them from 800 miles away, anyway. They will either do the right thing or the wrong thing. What a person does all depends on the person, not the rules.

 

To paraphrase Ammon Hennacy, when it comes to rules and laws "Good people don't need them and bad people don't follow them anyway."

 

 

 

I couldn't disagree more with this!

 

1. Of course rules apply to the other person as well! This is a truism! We have rules on seeing other couples, so why would we ever not have rules when seeing people separately? Just because we agree to do you or some other couple does not mean that every thing is on the table to be discussed. Not everything is open to negotiation with us and neither with you! We have rules in place before we ever meet others. And I suspect that you have rules in place as well! We might take your safe sex rule as an example. There are many on this board who would claim that rule is a fun-killer and silly. Why would you have a rule like this in place before meeting and discussing it? By having such a rule you are unfairly controlling me and my spouse. How dare you be so controlling of my desires? The point is that basically, if you can't play with the rules in place then we all have a problem, but the problem isn't one of unfairness! Unfair is if I didn't lay out the rules and then sprung them on you or asked you to let me do something I wasn't willing to allow you. It is not in any way unfair to have rules in place and expect them to be followed by everyone involved.

 

 

2. Rules and restrictions are precisely what makes swinging fun and enjoyable. While we don't typically go after a soft swap couple, if we were interested we would certainly play by the rules. I also suspect that we would have a lot of fun! The rules are what enable everyone to have an enjoyable experience. Frankly your number 2 is something I would expect to come from my 17 year old son---who is always being prevented from enjoying life by the rules in place. Some of us can get hung up on the rules themselves, some of us manage to have a screaming good time with them.

 

3. I don't think you understand the relationship between trust and rules. Having rules and living by those rules is what makes a couple committed to each other. In fact I would argue that having those rules and living by them is what differentiates committed couples (married or otherwise) from singles. What do you think trust is if not defined by rule following? Trust is based on rule following: that is to say, I can't trust you at all if there aren't any rules that I am trusting you to follow. I can't trust that you won't cheat on me if you and I haven't come to an agreement about what we are! It isn't trusting a spouse to say I trust that she/he will do anything they want to. Trust in what someone does involves a limit on their behavior. It is precisely because they limit their behavior that I trust them.

 

Lastly, (and I want to add that I don't know you, you may be a very nice guy) this kind of attitude is at the heart of why single males have such a bad reputation. For most couples this is about having fun and exploring with the bounds (set of rules) of their relationship. That you can't have fun because of those rules is not the fault of the couple, or spouse that is trusting the other person to go explore under a certain set of conditions. It is not my job or my duty to enable you to have fun in anyway you please. Nor is it ever being unfair to you to expect you to behave in a certain way around my wife, while I am not present.

[Coupleerotic22 1,419]

I have a hall pass as I work out of town a good deal. Problem is, I never really feel like using it. By the time my day is done at work, get back to my room, grab a bite to eat, talk to the wife and kids I am too far gone to want to go out and party late knowing I have to work again in the mornings. I come home on Friday evening and go back Monday morning, so I am not there over the weekends, except in rare instances where I need to get some extra work done. The only people I meet are those I work with, and I avoid playing with co-workers.

 

My wife has the same deal while I am out, but with work and the kids there is just not much opportunity. Last year she did have a pass to play, and did, while I recovered from surgery. In the end it was not a bad thing, just not as exciting as she had thought it would be. She prefers that I be there. I was a bit apprehensive while she was out, until I knew she was home safe, then it was all good.

 

We talked about the fact that neither of us have used our pass since I have been working on the road and I think we agree, that if we felt really excited about it we would make the time and effort. It is not a pressing concern for either of us so we have not made the time. But it is there for us to use if the circumstances just fall into place, which is nice to know.

[Chicup 41]

I think hall passes can be a very slippery slope for many couples.

Over the past few years there have been more than a few couples on the board that have related how they have hall passes for whatever reason, and how well it worked for them. Eventually you find out that this little arrangement didn't turn out exactly how they planned, and from there its easy to infer that it may have harmed the relationship.

 

I think the key is keeping hall passes to a minimum, and not relying on them as the primary method of swinging/non-monogamy. How often "too often" is will obviously vary from couple to couple.

 

100* this.

 

Sadly we do not normally get the "Why this harmed our relationship" post, they simply stop posting. A couple I knew well enough they told me, but they never posted it here so no one knows but me.

 

I think this is one of those things where if its not a turn on for BOTH members, the jinni is best left in the bottle.

[LFM2 1,482]

I gave Dave a hall pass when I was a sick a couple years back (without restriction). I knew it would be close to a year before we could swing again. He never used it. We found that sex without the other doesn't mean a whole helluva lot. I threw that out to him in case he wanted to have some fun on the side. I believe most men (a lot of men) would have jumped at the chance to have a no-holds barred sex romp with anyone he wanted. Dave didn't. I think he'd offer the same for me... and I know I wouldn't go for it. For us, that's the whole point of swinging. We have much more fun together and watching each other. Without the one person, it's just plain ole sex. I did that enough before we married. It wasn't that great.

 

I think the key is keeping hall passes to a minimum, and not relying on them as the primary method of swinging/non-monogamy. How often "too often" is will obviously vary from couple to couple.

 

And I think this is a winning statement. If you do want to give out hall-passes, keep them to a minimum.

[Alura 2,774]

...I think we agree, that if we felt really excited about it we would make the time and effort. It is not a pressing concern for either of us so we have not made the time.

 

This is pretty much how we approached the question. Is it worth it? Nah! Not really.

 

We were both manufacturers' reps. At first Mrs. Alura was home, nursing, and taking care of the baby and toddler. Later, she was on the road while I dealt with youth football, PTA, home room dad duties, fund raisers, annual chili supper, etc., etc. We first tried a hall pass before the kids were born, found it boring, and it never came up again. We just didn't care enough to put forth the effort to make it happen. Being exhausted after a day of calling on customers had some effect, I'm sure.

 

Alura

[sweet_tna 680]

I believe it should be an open pass for several reasons:

 

1. Restrictions and rules outside of things like "practicing safe sex" and "check-in and let me know you're alive" create issues. Someone is always wondering if the other one is breaking the rules or not. This leads to distrust, stress and arguments.
   
2. 
   
3. Restrictions and rules can kill everyone's fun.
   
4. 
   
5. Restrictions and rules also apply to the person your partner is seeing and they were not there for those negotiations and to agree to them. You are in effect controlling them through controlling your partner. That's not fair to them.
   
6. 
   
7. Trying to chose who your partner can and can't do, who they should and shouldn't be sexually attracted to, just pisses-off your partner, even if they don't tell you that it does.
   

 

You just have to trust your partner. They are an adult, not a child, and don't need supervision and you can't supervise them from 800 miles away, anyway. They will either do the right thing or the wrong thing. What a person does all depends on the person, not the rules.

 

To paraphrase Ammon Hennacy, when it comes to rules and laws "Good people don't need them and bad people don't follow them anyway."

 

I'll have to disagree with you here, as well.

 

All your statements about rules could easily apply to other swing situations, too. Yeah, those pesky rules can get in the way, but let's be real here. We're adults, but we're HUMAN. We humans tend to need a little structure to help us get along. And since it's really all about making sure everyone is safe and comfortable, that seems reasonable to me. Speaking strictly for myself, I'm okay with Mr. Sweet's preference to have veto power over the person with whom I may enjoy a hall pass. If he's not okay with it, there's no point in me doing so. I want him to be comfortable and supportive, and I understand it takes a measure of trust for him to let me play without him around. He's my husband, and it's his JOB to protect me.

 

As for the playmate with whom I'd use the hall pass, they are made aware of any rules we have and are given the opportunity to agree to our terms and play, or to decline. That's no different than playing together with another couple.

 

=)

[slevin 1,374]

I'll have to disagree with you here, as well.

 

All your statements about rules could easily apply to other swing situations, too. Yeah, those pesky rules can get in the way, but let's be real here. We're adults, but we're HUMAN. We humans tend to need a little structure to help us get along. And since it's really all about making sure everyone is safe and comfortable, that seems reasonable to me. Speaking strictly for myself, I'm okay with Mr. Sweet's preference to have veto power over the person with whom I may enjoy a hall pass. If he's not okay with it, there's no point in me doing so. I want him to be comfortable and supportive, and I understand it takes a measure of trust for him to let me play without him around. He's my husband, and it's his JOB to protect me.

 

As for the playmate with whom I'd use the hall pass, they are made aware of any rules we have and are given the opportunity to agree to our terms and play, or to decline. That's no different than playing together with another couple.

 

=)

 

Definitely agree. Also, if your partner doesn't care enough about your feelings to the point that they get resentful because they can't do something that makes you uncomfortable....your relationship isn't going to last very long. I think if you're going to get married both parties need to care about each others feelings and well beings as much as they do their own. I would never want to do anything that bothered my wife at all, even if it meant missing out on something I was interested in. There are plenty of other things we both want to do that we can focus on.

[SW_PA_Couple 4,024]

I gave Dave a hall pass when I was a sick a couple years back (without restriction). I knew it would be close to a year before we could swing again. He never used it. We found that sex without the other doesn't mean a whole helluva lot. I threw that out to him in case he wanted to have some fun on the side. I believe most men (a lot of men) would have jumped at the chance to have a no-holds barred sex romp with anyone he wanted. Dave didn't.

When I was laid up last summer, JoAnn did not cash in on her hall pass. If she were out of circulation for any reason, I know she would be urging me to go out and have fun. I'm certain that I would not. Just us, I suppose.

[LFM2 1,482]

Yep, and us. It's what we do.

[willyoats 324]

She only used hers once. I have done it a few times, with her approval, after she got tired of the LS and quit. Now she is putting strings on my hall pass after I used it without telling her first. I am having a bit of trouble getting used to the new "rules". Not sure how to proceed.

[christnthms 326]

Personal perspective, but to me the term "Hall Pass" specifies an undiscussed encounter. The reason the pass is necessary is that it HASN'T been discussed.

 

For instance, if I say she has a Hall Pass for Mr. Xyz, that means that she doesn't have to check w/ me if the opportunity presents itself.

If in a separate instance, she says she'll have this opportunity and I give my support/consent, then it wouldn't really be a Hall Pass. It would be a discussed and approved encounter, no different than swinging separately.

 

I have no problem giving a Hall Pass in the case of travel, sickness/injury, or other situations where one of us cannot be available. In situations where both of us are available, I'd prefer to discuss ahead of time, before anything happens. Even if the end result is the same, the communication and transparency is a big deal to me.

 

I would be WAY more comfortable with, "Hey honey, I'd really like to meet Mr. Xyz and screw him." than, "Hey honey, on my way home I met with Mr. Xyz and we screwed."

[81lizard69 470]

I believe it should be an open pass for several reasons:

 

1. Restrictions and rules outside of things like "practicing safe sex" and "check-in and let me know you're alive" create issues. Someone is always wondering if the other one is breaking the rules or not. This leads to distrust, stress and arguments.
   
2. 
   
3. Restrictions and rules can kill everyone's fun.
   
4. 
   
5. Restrictions and rules also apply to the person your partner is seeing and they were not there for those negotiations and to agree to them. You are in effect controlling them through controlling your partner. That's not fair to them.
   
6. 
   
7. Trying to chose who your partner can and can't do, who they should and shouldn't be sexually attracted to, just pisses-off your partner, even if they don't tell you that it does.
   

 

You just have to trust your partner. They are an adult, not a child, and don't need supervision and you can't supervise them from 800 miles away, anyway. They will either do the right thing or the wrong thing. What a person does all depends on the person, not the rules.

 

To paraphrase Ammon Hennacy, when it comes to rules and laws "Good people don't need them and bad people don't follow them anyway."

 

That was probably one of the best pieces of swinging experience I have heard. How can you add to that?