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My wife & I met 6 years ago when we were 30. Right away we both connected, she was smart, gorgeous and shared many common interests. I thought to myself why is a woman like this single there has to be a catch. After a few days, weeks she opened up to me and told me she had an anxiety issue (which was noticeable but not OCD) and she was a virgin still. My now wife had many boyfriends but nothing serious and was waiting for that special someone. She has however had oral with another woman 2 years before we met.

 

I was very patient and helped my wife get over her anxiety issues (without meds), and respected her "no sex" wishes. My wife had no problem with nudity over the years but very basic hands-on foreplay during this time.

 

Fast forward 3 years and I was that special someone, my wife was now no longer a virgin! At first things were great she was curious and we had sex countless times a day, week, month. All positions, all places there was nothing stopping her.

 

 

The Problem:

 

During this time that we started having sex I noticed she wasn't into "foreplay". She was more of a hands on woman, and didn't like to use mouth. She is also extremely ticklish all over her body so me going down on her was also out the question, I was only allowed hands-on also. Then came rules, never ever under any circumstances will she ever do Anal, and she doesn't like "doggie style". She was more of a 3 position woman.

 

My wife (I think) has major anxiety over having an orgasm that she won't admit to me. She doesn't like the "pee feeling" and when she squirts (which is often when I am on top of her) she doesn't like getting the sheets all wet. When she is about to orgasm she locks up.

 

- When I am on top of her she closes her legs and/or locks her hips which hurts me

- When she is on top of me she has her bum so high in the air it feels like I am falling out of her 80% of the time, I don't enjoy it and go soft

- We can do scissors/sideways but after awhile her legs get tired

 

At this point I am not enjoying our "sex experiences" and tried to talk to her.

 

My wife informs me that she believes that she missed out on "experiencing and exploring" sex in her teen years when all her friends were doing it. So I take a few ideas off the top of my head to try and help her the best I can. I get her some couples porn, get her some books like Kama sutra. I even bring her to a adult store to buy some toys to explore with. I tell her to be open and honest with me, and will help her explore.

 

 

Swinging #1:

 

While out one day, my wife asks me if we want to go over to her friends place for a few minutes. While there it was quite apparent that my wife had talked to her close friend about our "sex issues". Her friend gently eases into a conversation that maybe if my wife explores with other people and not just me she could possibly "learn" or get the "sex experience" that she is striving for. My wife informs me at this point that her, and her friend were interested in "Swapping husbands" as they don't want to feel like they were cheating and asked my opinion. I originally said I had no opinion.

 

I think I was shocked at first to say the least. My wife wanted to have sex with another guy, and her friend wanted to have sex with me. My wife (who had been doing some research) later that week shows me a clip from "Playboys Swing" which got me interested in the lifestyle. As long as we are open, honest, and safe .... I tell my wife that I am interested but not setting this up, she had to do the work. Happily she agreed.

 

Later that week my wife goes over to her friends place, only to return an hour later. When her friend and my wife brought it up with her husband he was quick to say NO. He said there was no way he would be able to "perform" in front of another guy. Before my wife could suggest separate rooms, he asked my wife to leave so he could speak to his wife. Since that night my wife has only had Facebook contact with her friend and it seems to have put a strain on their friendship.

 

 

Swinging #2:

 

My wife suggests we put an Ad onto a local website to see if any random NSA couples were interested. Although we got lots of emails from males wanting to watch, video tape, join in, only 1 couple in (south eastern BC Canada) replied. We sent them our semi nude, faces blocked, pictures and never heard from that couple again.

 

 

Present Time:

 

About 6 months has passed since the whole Swinging topic has come up when we put ads on a website. My wife still has the same "sex issues" listed above, yet now recently my wife has once again started seriously talking about partner swapping. She has suggested in the past week we look for local couples, advertise, look for clubs, or even travel to meet our needs. She seems more knowledgeable then me in this swinging lifestyle (Good ole Google brought me here) I really don't know how I can even approach any of my friends with this topic.

 

 

I have a few concerns:

 

1) My wife missed out exploring with sex partners growing up as mentioned, and now that she is sexually active, and so mindset on this swapping that I am worried that if I don't agree that she will just do it anyway. She has said she wants to sleep with another man besides me once in this lifetime many times. I love my wife but when she went behind my back asking her friend to "swap husbands" I think a bit of me felt maybe I don't know my wife as well as I think I do.

 

2) I am worried that if she is not giving me a great sexual experience that it would be a disaster if she tried with another partner. I love my wife and have patience, where as a lot of people I know including close friends have zero to no patience. I wouldn't want to sleep with someones wife and get enjoyment while they got disappointment.

 

3) Am I going about this the wrong way? Should I accept this is the way my wife is and adapt?

 

4) Did I put too much pressure on my wife too soon, and she is doing this for me? Even though I have concerns she wants to go through with it?

 

 

A year ago I was all for it after thinking about it, now not so much as I have concerns.

 

 

 

Would like to hear from some experienced people, would you get together with us knowing some or all of this? What are your thoughts and any advice.

 

 

Summary TLDR:

 

My wife was a virgin when we met (besides an oral experience with another woman), and gave herself to me. Our sex life hasn't been the greatest to suit my needs, but seems to satisfy hers. No Foreplay, and lots of rules. After trying to help her and educate her more in sex, she talks with friend(s) who suggest she try getting more experience from another partner. My wife suggests she doesn't want to cheat on me so her friend suggests Swinging. After failing to convince a friends husband for a swap, and failed local ads the subject is dropped. Now my wife all of a sudden wants to swing again (swap partners) and she seems to have been doing a lot of research recently, but I now have issues. My wife also informed me she wants to have sex with at least 1 other person in her lifetime.

 

I feel silly posting this to strangers, so I appreciate the time to read this, if you have anymore questions I would be happy to answer.

 

Thank you,

 

Kam Couple.

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Would like to hear from some experienced people, would you get together with us knowing some or all of this? What are your thoughts and any advice.

 

The short answer is no. I'm not a sex therapist, neither is my partner, and your wife doesn't sound like she'd be much fun in bed. The longer answer is also no. Swinging, to be successful, relies on couples who communicate openly and honestly, have an already great sex life and have a base of trust and love. The absence of those things pretty much guarantees a certain amount of drama, something I wish to avoid at all costs.

 

Does your wife know your sex life is unsatisfying for you and that you believe it's because of her limitations? Are you willing to allow your wife to have sex with at least one other person? Are you both willing to visit a swing club and play only with each other? Is she willing to take teeny tiny baby steps while you decide what you're comfortable with?

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Would like to hear from some experienced people, would you get together with us knowing some or all of this? What are your thoughts and any advice.

 

Short and long answer is no, we would not get together with you. Swinging is not the place to fix issues.

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The short answer is no. I'm not a sex therapist, neither is my partner, and your wife doesn't sound like she'd be much fun in bed. The longer answer is also no. Swinging, to be successful, relies on couples who communicate openly and honestly, have an already great sex life and have a base of trust and love. The absence of those things pretty much guarantees a certain amount of drama, something I wish to avoid at all costs.

 

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Thank you for the fast reply.

 

 

One of my biggest concerns is, as you mentioned "sex therapist". I for one would not wish our problems on anyone else and as I mentioned it seems to have already strained 1 friendship. As far as the drama part, I have also had this feeling that even if we go through with it, it might just complicate things more then resolve our issues. Another major concern would hate for my wife (or myself for that matter) to be a disappointment in bed.

 

 

Does your wife know your sex life is unsatisfying for you and that you believe it's because of her limitations?

 

Yes, she feels that exploring with me, books, toys, pornos is not working to expand her limitations which is why (based on friends advice) she thinks she needs to sleep with another man (men) to get that experience.

 

Are you willing to allow your wife to have sex with at least one other person?

 

This is a tough question and would rely on multiple things. Do I trust the person? Is it safe? Do I trust my wife? etc.

 

In a way when my wife looks at me and honestly says "I want to sleep with one other person in this life", I can understand her curiosity and can say Yes, but then again it would all depend.

 

Are you both willing to visit a swing club and play only with each other? Is she willing to take teeny tiny baby steps while you decide what you're comfortable with?

 

This was my suggestion, going to a party or place with multiple people. Get to meet new people. Take it really slow to find out what both her and I are comfortable with. It was easy for me to say a year ago, that I would sleep with her friend, but if the time came, I might have not been comfortable.

 

My wife (based on her friends suggestion) wants to just swap partners to start and has her mind set on this though. She believes that her friends got experience sleeping with multiple partners in their early teen/adult lives so she needs to catch up.

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Short and long answer is no, we would not get together with you. Swinging is not the place to fix issues.

 

Appreciate the reply, thank you.

 

I am being open here trying to come up with idea and answers to help me get through this "speed bump" with my wife. My wife has said she would not tell a stranger any of this information and just wants to swap. Which comes to the embarrassment part as stated above.

 

 

Trying to understand your two posts Swinging does not resolve "issues" and if there is any "issues" between a couple when they try to Swing it just complicates it and makes it worse?

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My gut reaction is that there is something else going on here. I don't know what but there is and the two of you need to really be open, honest, and communicate to get down to whatever it is. And maybe it has nothing to do with sex. However, from your post, it sounds like sex can't really be enjoyable for her, just as much it isn't for you. If sex isn't enjoyable for her, why would she want to engage in it with other men? Usually, if someone loves something, they want more of it. If someone doesn't like it, then they either avoid it or try to have it be as unpleasant as possible...which is how it sounds.

 

When she locks up so she doesn't wet the sheets, is that because of embarrassment or because it hurts? Why did she want to wait to have sex when she was younger but now wants to swap? Did she previously hold beliefs that she now longer holds, which aren't holding her back now? Perhaps the both of you can come to the forums together, research, ask questions, and help you both communicate and understand the root of what may be the problem.

 

Also, tell her your concerns and maybe she'll open up with her own.

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When she locks up so she doesn't wet the sheets, is that because of embarrassment or because it hurts?

 

She has always said of embarrassment, the only time she ever has said sex has hurt is if there was lack of foreplay (which she doesn't enjoy) and there isnt enough lube.

 

 

Why did she want to wait to have sex when she was younger but now wants to swap? Did she previously hold beliefs that she now longer holds, which aren't holding her back now?

 

When she was a teen and all her friends were partying, having sex, she had extremely strict parents who gave her an 8PM curfew even in her senior year. She didn't have much freedom until college, so I have been told. During college she was with a guy that tried to have sex with her, when she declined he abused her. From that moment on she told herself she was waiting until she found someone she was serious about.

 

As far as what is not holding her back? About 2 years ago one night she was locking her legs, and we had a really bad sex experience. Speaking while frustrated I informed her she was not good in bed, and I might look elsewhere or move on from her. Which I regret saying now. I almost feel from that moment my wife took the liberty to improve her sex life and any cost and when her friend suggested swinging she has been focused since.

 

 

Perhaps the both of you can come to the forums together, research, ask questions, and help you both communicate and understand the root of what may be the problem.

 

Great suggestion thank you, going to get her to read these posts tomorrow and ask any questions also.

 

 

 

Really glad Google brought me to these forums, you have all been wonderful help so far!

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She has always said of embarrassment, the only time she ever has said sex has hurt is if there was lack of foreplay (which she doesn't enjoy) and there isnt enough lube.

 

I squirt/gush on occasion. I admit, sometimes I am embarrassed by it but Mr. Sun helps me relax and be more comfortable with it by telling me how much he loves it when I gush all over him. He even cheers me on and encourages me to do so every time. Perhaps you can try the same with your wife.

 

When she was a teen and all her friends were partying, having sex, she had extremely strict parents who gave her an 8PM curfew even in her senior year. She didn't have much freedom until college, so I have been told. During college she was with a guy that tried to have sex with her, when she declined he abused her. From that moment on she told herself she was waiting until she found someone she was serious about.

 

Thank you for sharing that. I hate hearing stories about abusive relationships. I hope her experience hasn't kept her from being completely at ease and trustful of you--but it might play a part in why she behaves the way that she does. As for strict parents, I am very well aware of those...I didn't even have a curfew; I had to go straight home after school unless I was working on a school assignment and I had to let my parents know ahead of time and would be picked up by 5 pm. Because of that, I also did not have any sexual experiences until being with Mr. Sun. He brought in toys and positions that I wouldn't have imagined. The key is whether she is open and willing to learn new things. If there is a mind block, then nothing will help until she is ready.

 

As far as what is not holding her back? About 2 years ago one night she was locking her legs, and we had a really bad sex experience. Speaking while frustrated I informed her she was not good in bed, and I might look elsewhere or move on from her. Which I regret saying now. I almost feel from that moment my wife took the liberty to improve her sex life and any cost and when her friend suggested swinging she has been focused since.

 

Obviously, you can see how hurtful your words are now. But the positive light to see this in is that she is working to making the sex life you two have better. She could have totally withdrawn from you and having sex all together. She could have been angry and told you what you're not good at. But she could also be looking into swinging to prevent you from cheating on her. Perhaps she thinks that you really will cheat on her and this is the only solution she can think of that will prevent you from doing so. And researching into options other than cheating, she has stumbled upon swinging and it has opened up Pandora's box for her and given her the idea that she can also have sex with other men. Swinging will prevent you from cheating and swinging will help her gain sexual experience.

 

I'm not saying you two should swing or that you're ready. Just going from what you have posted, there seems to be a lack of trust and communication. Please work on those and go from there.

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Consider the poor position you would be in and how you would feel if she encountered a man with whom she was completely successful having sex but continued to have trouble with you. You and your wife should resolve your problem before entertaining the idea of "sex with others".

 

You've received some good advice, I believe, from the members of Swingersboard. I'm pleased to have you here as a new member.

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I have never been fond of the belief that one has missed out on any experiences. Life is full of those and choices. Each one makes us who we are.

 

I made the choice to not have early exploratory sex with anyone but my husband. I didn't miss a damn thing.

 

We have chosen to add others to our experience. If we don't make it to a full sex scene with anyone, that's OK too, I am still not missing anything. I enjoy each experience for what it is.

 

I don't think sex with someone else will make the issues better. sex with one man hasn't made her comfortable, how is sex with more supposed to? She can't relax with the person who loves her and she trusts, I don't see her doing that with a stranger.

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She can't relax with the person who loves her and she trusts, I don't see her doing that with a stranger.

 

This. It seems to me that her issues are with sex itself, and those need to be worked through first. That may sound contradictory to my agreement with the previous post, linking it more to the person than the act itself, but if the issues are there with someone she loves and trust, they are likely muted to some degree by that very fact. They are only going to get worse with someone new, and that will add another layer to the problem making it even more difficult to unravel.

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Susan here--Okay, these concerns run far deeper and will not be resolved by additional partners. You also need better advice than that from the well intentioned, even when it's good advice. A proper sex counselor will help prevent you from too many missteps.

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First & foremost I would like to thank everyone on Swingersboard for their replies! From what I understand General consensus is that Swingers (much like anyone) do not like issues or drama, so I thank you all for taking the time to read and reply.

 

I have been mulling over these issues for quite some time, and it was really hard for me to open up to strangers on a topic that I could not even confide in some of my closest friends. Thank you very much everyone for your time, really glad google brought me here.

 

My Wife:

 

She has been very open and honest to me (besides talking with her friends) and we talk about our issues. Besides that time 2 years ago when I spoke while frustrated, I try to be more sensitive to her issues. I do tell her it's "Ok" if she squirts, I tell her when she locks up cause she has the "pee feeling" that its ok and to relax but she never does.

 

It was brought up about her past maybe holding her back which I think someone had a very valid point. If she is fighting and pulling away from me (someone she loves and trusts) then it will probably be a disaster with another partner.

 

My wife had a lot of anxiety in life when I first met her, and although she doesn't show any signs anymore of it this whole fighting/locking up during sex might be part of that anxiety and part of her past.

 

Would love to go to a "sex therapist" as mentioned but we just can't afford the $250+ per session that they require.

 

Swinging:

 

When my wife first mentioned Swinging I was embarrassed, confused, nervous, etc

 

I believe it was her friend who opened her up to the idea of another partner for "experience that she missed", and my wife has been pretty mindset ever since.

 

Yet as mentioned if my wife is unable to satisfy me, or resolve her issues how can she satisfy another. This will just embarrass myself and more then likely herself, lower her self esteem, and cause possibly issues with other people. All of the above could and probably will complicate our relationship further. (from what I read)

 

After reading all your posts, everyone has said Swinging will just complicate things further so avoid it until her/our issues are worked out. Wonderful advice which I think we will need to follow. Thank you

 

 

 

If/when my wife get through our issues, I have no doubt that we might try "Swinging" with another couple. My wife has looked at me and honestly said she is curious what it is like to be with another guy, and I honestly have been intrigued also ever since she brought it up.

 

So as swingers I have to ask, if a time ever came and my wife had "rules" such as:

 

When it comes to sex my wife has been very adamant on the fact that she will never do Anal, she is extremely ticklish so she doesn't like me going down on her, she also doesn't like giving guys oral due to gag reflex. Foreplay is a minimum. She also doesn't like doggie style position. I don't think none of these things will ever change as she is pretty mind set on this.

 

I don't know as swingers if that creates an issue for other couples with "rules" such as my wife has.

 

 

We obviously need to get past the issues at hand first.

 

 

Thank you all you everyone, you have given me a few other options and a few results/consequences to think about. I really appreciate all the time people took to reply to this thread.

 

Thank you,

 

Kam Couple

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More to just think on...

 

Sex isn't about being able to satisfy someone but partners sharing a satisfying experience. How you both feel about it and look at it can make a difference.

 

Your wife has a list of things she will not do. Its normal to have preferences and turn offs but hers seem very rigid. What does she think she can bring to an experience so that it is a positive one.

 

And that's the important thing, good and positive experiences. That holds true for spo see being together too.

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When it comes to sex my wife has been very adamant on the fact that she will never do Anal, she is extremely ticklish so she doesn't like me going down on her, she also doesn't like giving guys oral due to gag reflex. Foreplay is a minimum. She also doesn't like doggie style position. I don't think none of these things will ever change as she is pretty mind set on this.

 

I don't know as swingers if that creates an issue for other couples with "rules" such as my wife has.

 

To be brutally honest, ignoring all the other issues, we would never even consider swinging with you given a list like that. No anal is fine, lots of people don't like anal sex. No oral is a bit of an issue, because lots of people enjoy that, but it's not a game breaker. No foreplay... as far as I'm concerned, we're done talking. It sounds like all she wants is for someone to get on top of her, thrust away until he finishes and leave. Honestly, that is just boring. Swinging is sex for fun. If you're not going to have fun, why do it?

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Even if you can't afford a sex therapist maybe your insurance will cover a sex positive marriage counselor who specializes in sexual issues.

 

I think you should not even consider swinging rules until your own sex life is good. That being said, there's no way we'd consider playing with her. It can be difficult for men to get aroused with new partners and in group situations. Without foreplay and oral your chances of successful intercourse are limited.

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So as swingers I have to ask, if a time ever came and my wife had "rules" such as:

 

When it comes to sex my wife has been very adamant on the fact that she will never do Anal, she is extremely ticklish so she doesn't like me going down on her, she also doesn't like giving guys oral due to gag reflex. Foreplay is a minimum. She also doesn't like doggie style position. I don't think none of these things will ever change as she is pretty mind set on this.

 

I don't know as swingers if that creates an issue for other couples with "rules" such as my wife has.

 

While I might be willing to navigate a laundry list of rules for someone I loved, I wouldn't be particularly interested in making even a half-hearted attempt at it for someone I didn't love. That's particularly true in an activity that is supposed to be fun, which is the point of recreational sex.

 

Given that your wife's mind is made up that she doesn't do X, Y and Z, what does she think she would bring to sex with another partner? One thought I had is that people who try to alleviate anxiety with vigilance and control (and many of your wife's don'ts might threaten loss of control) often don't really realize that other people are fully fleshed out beings with needs of their own or that interacting with others requires a certain amount of negotiation.

 

If your insurance covers neither a psychologist nor a marriage counselor, what about a psychiatrist who also does psychotherapy? Unless things have greatly changed, I believe that's covered.

 

One last thought I had was that things like porn and most toys do nothing for me, but getting a Liberator Throe quite literally changed my life, because sex stopped equaling mass laundry (never a sexy thought). Would your wife be willing to experiment with letting go during masturbation, even if she squirted, knowing that the only real practical impact would be needing to do some wash?

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I think what you guys really do need is a sex therapist. I think it would help her work through her anxiety and embarrassment issues, and generally learn how to relax and enjoy sex. Swinging won't do that... and would likely have the opposite result.

 

One thing you mentioned that really stood out to me was a feeling that she had gone behind your back and brought up the idea of swinging with her friend. Did she tell you that's what happened? Women are different than men in our communications. While most guys would never think to bring something like this up to even their closest friends, women are much more likely to delve into sexual topics (and any topic) with their close friends. So, it's likely that in frustration she told her friend about that really bad sexual encounter the two of you had and about her own frustrations at being inexperienced and from there sprang the idea that perhaps getting her more experience would help. And, evidently, her friend also saw this as an opportunity to perhaps explore some of her own fantasies that she, obviously, had yet to share with her husband.

 

One other possibility that might satisfy her desire to have sex with someone besides you in this lifetime would be to find a male escort. Someone like this might be a compromise as he would likely be more patient and willing to "teach" her a bit. Just a thought.

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Been a little busy in real life, so haven't had a chance to reply to each post.

 

My wife had did have a chance to read my thread (posts) and at first she was a little upset at me, as she felt I gave out "personal" info to strangers. When it was explained how I was unable to talk to close guy friends about this issue(s) and that you all have been wonderful, open and honest in your replies she turned to reading.

 

Wife spent better part of 30 mins reading each and every one of your posts, and felt you all had very valid points. Will let her post on Sunday when we have more time.

 

Thank you all once again, for taking the time to read and reply to us.

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I find it easier to speak of things like this with strangers. I don't have to deal with the impact in my life if my friends don't accept it or understand it.

 

I hope discussing this all helps you to communicate with each other.

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Have she given any consideration to wanting to experience other males so that she could try what she's unwilling to try with you, insofar that if it's a disaster, you'll not be disappointed? She might be reluctant to experiment with you, as you are the one who was patient and took the time to help her past her anxieties. Sometimes it's easier to "let go" when there's not such pressures to perform.

 

Having stated that, as a hypothesis, the lack of understanding and rules would make any potential experience problematic. While the sage advice of counseling is extremely on point, we hope that you can sit down and work this through. Your concern comes through as a very concerned partner, and it's touching to see that concern. Also, if she's willing to discuss swapping with her friend, that might be a good place to start as to what is driving her motivation to swap. Is it the feeling that she's missed something in her younger years, as suggested, or is there something else that she's wanting for the experience?

 

Please let us know how the discussion between you is going, and we wish the best as you begin this exploration.

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Been a busy week, weekend but had time to discuss this topic with my wife.

 

First and foremost I after her reading this discussion I feel I need to stand corrected on a few points I made. I mentioned my wife would not do X, Y, Z when in fact she said she will do it, it is just not a preference. The only thing she will not do is let a male go down on her (because she is extremely ticklish) but yet she said her experience with another woman was one of the best oral experience she has ever had, and of course Anal. She told me she has and will do the other things mentioned just not a personal preference for her. As far as the embarrassing gushing/squirting she said she has no issues with it if there is a towel/blanket under her and coming to terms with it. She said the issue (more then embarrassment) is spending 10 mins or so changing the sheets every time we have sex, Go figure.

 

Now I got that out of the way and in the good books,

 

My wife has told me she wants to be the best woman I have ever been with, she wants to give me the most amazing experience that will have me begging for more. This is the ultimately goal according to her. Yet she has an obvious anxiety issue, and likes to be in control and almost a trust issue with her partner that she needs to get over before she can ever reach that goal. We live in British Columbia, Canada so don't have insurance (like mentioned) to go to a sex therapist and something like this isn't (I believe) covered under health care as it is not a necessity of life.

 

It was mentioned that possibly this was my wife's friend had a fantasy and seen the opportunity to explore it and try to help us also. When I asked my wife she did say that when they had their "girl talk" that her friend was the one who opened her up and explained "Swinging" to her. So this is probably true. Since the topic of swinging has come up in our lives it seemed like a good way for her to explore and not feel like cheating if I was also doing the same.

 

I think since the idea of swinging after awhile intruded me, I was willing to ignore the fact that my wife needed help more then what swinging could provide, and after opening my eyes on this thread I almost now feel selfish.

 

While there is a slight chance that my wife could "come out of the box" while swinging and experiencing sex with another partner, I (and we) believe that the experience will probably more then likely will be a disaster that not only could hurt our relationship as a married couple but also the people we plan on swapping with.

 

My wife has said time and time again, he best experience she ever had (oral) was with another woman (no offense to me she keeps saying). I think at this point I might let my wife explore with other woman and see where that goes.

 

In the meantime me being the patient husband, I can only help her the best I can, books, porn, toys, education, space with other women if that's what it takes, and possibly someday a sex therapist.

 

My wife has gotten over huge anxiety issues and come a long way since we first met, so I have no doubt that she can and will get past this. The end goal will be rewarding and hopefully someday we might be able to try out our ultimate fantasy.

 

 

Thank you everyone for support, and opening my eyes. Really appreciate the time everyone has taken to respond.

 

 

Would recommend this site to anyone! :)

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Thank you everyone for support, and opening my eyes. Really appreciate the time everyone has taken to respond.

 

 

Would recommend this site to anyone! :)

 

Thank you for keeping us updated on how you and your wife are doing. We welcome everyone, swingers and non-swingers, to come and participate in the forums as much or as little as they wish to do so. Perhaps if you both read new and old threads, you two will unravel and solve your issues to build a closer relationship...which is what everyone here wishes for any couple. Best wishes!

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You do seem to have some serious issues in your relationship, of a sexual and non-sexual nature, as husband and wife. These issues may only be amenable to resolution by a therapist. Even that approach is doubtful to succeed. Most couples who are into swinging are well adjusted in life and do enjoy having sex not only with their own mate but also with a variety of other partners of opposite (or same) sex in a variety of ways-vaginal/anal/DP, group sex with multiple partners, and couples, etc. That is what makes swinging and swapping mates for sexual activities, including wild sexual play and intercourse, with the husband/wife/so of another couple/s such a pleasurable experience. We sincerely hope you and your wife are able to solve these issues with or without professional help

 

Sorry, this may not be of much help, but at least that is our honest opinion for whatever it is worth.

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