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Why you should never swing with vanilla couples in the heat of the moment

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I saw this story on reddit and thought it was important to share. This is exactly why my wife and I don't play with vanilla couples. We actually had something similar happen once... and they ended up divorced. Vanilla couples do not have the same level of communication that swinging couples tend to have. This fact leads to situations like this one.

 

My wife and I had a foursome last night with another couple. I'm having a hard time dealing with it. : sex

 

I don't want to copy and paste the story here... so you will have to read it and then come back to comment here.

 

Thoughts?

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Thought #1: Stay sober!

Thought #2: When in doubt, see Thought #1.

 

Joke aside, even more "experienced" couples can bring lots of drama when they sober up. Having consent retroactively withdrawn is one of the worst things that can happen to a couple after play. You suddenly learn that "she was not all that OK with her guy penetrating the other woman."

 

It is sad that some people need to drink in order to justify their guilt feelings: "I usually don't fuck around, but I was soooooo drunk yesterdaaaaaay," i.e. "I am not a slut."

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Yikes....seems like both parties were at fault.

And demonstrates why I don't drink!!

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Sounds like the OP is really torn up...however, reasonable people make informed choices, sober choices. I do empathize with his situation and feelings surrouding it - a better response to being asked to join in 'extra-curricular activities' would have been, "Wow, we've never really given that much thought before, but we like new things...maybe another time after discussing it with my wife?"

 

I know, hindsight is 20/20. Swinging isn't for everyone, people need to *think* before they jump into such a heavy joint decision.

 

I do genuinely feel bad for the OP and hope he is able to work through his remorse and hurt. Sounds like he is in the right place in his relationship to talk things through.

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I see some coping mechanisms starting to come into play. He's begun to externalize things. He's beginning to not blame his wife but blame Harry. He's also blaming the alcohol. It will help some in the near term. But, in the long term they're going to need to come full circle on this and understand and accept their own mistakes in this.

 

This story should be read by any couple that think jumping in to the deep end of the pool is the way to get your first swinging experience. For some couples, that can work...don't get me wrong. For some couples, the outcome of this would have been very different. For some. If a couple thinks this is the way to go and can read this story and be very certain it won't happen to them, fine. But, this is a cautionary tale on a number of fronts for couples.

 

This is also a cautionary tale for experienced swinger couples. Trying to engage in swinging with vanilla couples can leave a destroyed relationship in your wake. If you have any sense of right and wrong, this is most emphatically wrong. Can vanilla couples come to swinging? Of course. That's how we all got here. But, it can't be done like this story shows.

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We let Captain Kirk go where no ones gone before. We've only been with newbies twice, it went well because they were well informed and vetted. Not improvised and spur of the moment.

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Oh dear!!! The article was honestly very heart breaking to read. There are a few things to take away from this article, don't play with vanilla people, don't play when you're drunk and don't play or try to play when you know in your heart, you can't or won't or its not right for you. It's taking one for the team and that's not right.

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The story was so sad. I really think for this LS, whether you are experienced or a novice, staying sober is so important. I made my share of drunken mistakes when I was single, but I have no one else's feelings to be concerned about. My husband and I have to be on the same page when we play and we can't do that if one or both of us are drunk.

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I read this sad story and totally wanted to give the guy a hug. Question: Where does jealousy come from, nature or nurture?

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Lord I just wanted to backhand him and tell him to stop acting like such a sissy! His wife probably enjoyed being with a real man....

 

And then I thought did I just think that :confused:

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Lord I just wanted to backhand him and tell him to stop acting like such a sissy! His wife probably enjoyed being with a real man....

 

And then I thought did I just think that :confused:

 

Reddit has that effect on people. ;)

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You know I read that thread and I feel for the guy but I also don't feel for the guy.

 

I KNOW what he is going through because I had some pretty intense jealousy after our first full swap. UNLIKE that guy, I'm not blaming anyone for it, since I was the one who pursued swinging. Had I not suggested it the wife wouldn't have.

 

Reading his original story he gave absolutely no indication that there was a problem, and I don't blame anyone involved. He needs to just suck it up and let it pass. I never had a desire to post about it as I was feeling it, but thats just me.

 

I read this sad story and totally wanted to give the guy a hug. Question: Where does jealousy come from, nature or nurture?

 

As an amateur evolutionary psychologist (no one pays me for my study of it) I can tell you its both.

 

First, there is an innate, STAY AWAY FROM MY MATE response. This makes a lot of sense evolutionarily speaking. Keeping other males away from your female means you get more kids that are really yours. Based on the fact that human mating is often non-monogamous even today, this is logical. I had this to an intense degree as a young man when I was first with my wife. The joy of inexperience and over abundant hormones. I almost beat the crap out of my room mate because I thought he saw my GF (now wife) naked. Oh how things have changed there.

 

The other is learned. We are taught that "cheating" justifies all kinds of responses including violence. Even if it didn't bother you that much you get told you MUST do something about it. Its I think why vanillias have a hard time getting swinging in a way. Its that social side of it. To use an example of this sort of learned response, take the word "cunt". In the US, this is about the worst thing you can call a woman. YOU CUNT is as harsh an insult possible. If a woman attacked you for it, many if not most would think she was justified. Now got to the UK. They use cunt like we use fuck. Or for that matter lets take the word "fuck" and how its lost power over the years as a curse word.

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Lord I just wanted to backhand him and tell him to stop acting like such a sissy! His wife probably enjoyed being with a real man....

 

And then I thought did I just think that :confused:

 

I read it and got a similar feeling.

 

The thing is it seemed to me like he was in the know about the couple's "extra curricular" activities and his wife wasn't. It seemed like he had a fantasy in mind and hoped that associating with that couple would have led to his fantasy playing out and he was not only ok with that possibility but he wanted it until he couldn't perform.

 

I was annoyed when he tried to paint the other couple as predatory and himself and his wife as victims. He didn't have the balls to ask his wife to stop. Instead he cried and the other woman had to stop her husband.

 

I felt a little bad for him but I felt like he put himself in that situation. He set himself up for failure. Unfortunately a lot of people have seen that post and will associate that with "typical swinging."

 

I wish we could hear the other couple's side of the story

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I read it and got a similar feeling.

 

The thing is it seemed to me like he was in the know about the couple's "extra curricular" activities and his wife wasn't. It seemed like he had a fantasy in mind and hoped that associating with that couple would have led to his fantasy playing out and he was not only ok with that possibility but he wanted it until he couldn't perform.

 

I was annoyed when he tried to paint the other couple as predatory and himself and his wife as victims. He didn't have the balls to ask his wife to stop. Instead he cried and the other woman had to stop her husband.

 

I felt a little bad for him but I felt like he put himself in that situation. He set himself up for failure. Unfortunately a lot of people have seen that post and will associate that with "typical swinging."

 

I wish we could hear the other couple's side of the story

 

I got the same impression. I have just met to many. I don't think he is telling the whole story. His reaction to hearing his wife was to kiss "Sally". He wasn't objecting if this was his reaction. I think it's possible that he is one of those guys that play the guilt card to control their SO. I bet he is soaking it up right now.

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Wow, that was crazy & very well written!

 

I had a similar experience our very first time swinging. I couldn't get hard, but the other guy fucked my wife like he was a porn star... against the wall, on the floor, on the table, on the couch, in the hot-tub, all over the place FOREVER! I did all I could to maintain my cool with his wife, but all I could think about was my wife's moaning over and over. I felt like a horrible chump!

 

I was really mad at my wife and the guy and myself. Fortunately, I got over it and we went back for another try... this time I had no problem and he struggled keeping it up.

 

One thing that I've realized though, and where the guy in the story and the guy in my own story made a mistake: They should have been more sensitive to the other guy's situation. IMO, if one guy sees that the other guy has tapped out, then within a certain amount of time, he should chill things out with the mrs. I've seen this done with me since our first time and I've done it with others, and it seems like it's just the right thing to do!

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One thing that I've realized though, and where the guy in the story and the guy in my own story made a mistake: They should have been more sensitive to the other guy's situation. IMO, if one guy sees that the other guy has tapped out, then within a certain amount of time, he should chill things out with the mrs. I've seen this done with me since our first time and I've done it with others, and it seems like it's just the right thing to do!

 

I'm going to disagree with you here only insofar as you put the entire burden on "the other guy." In general people can't read your mind, and even if they could they probably couldn't do it in medias res. I've been this a similar situation, my wife banging away with another guy and me not having fun. I should have said something. I should have spoken up, even if it meant interrupting the action, and moved things in a direction that I was more comfortable with. We all always have that right and that power.

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I talked about this before, but we met with a younger newbish couple last year. The wife was 100% gung ho, and the husband seemed so too. He couldn't keep it up while his wife was practically begging for it. I called a halt to it, said we can take a break, we all went for a walk and called it a night after. I didn't want to potentially give the other guy a complex. No point in adding stress to another's relationship, we are here for fun.

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I'm going to disagree with you here only insofar as you put the entire burden on "the other guy."

 

That's valid. While I'm not saying it's 100% on the other guy, I do think it's each guy's (heck each person's) responsibility to be keeping an occasional rear-view eye on the other three as a check-in to see how things are going.

 

IMO, if two people going at it sees that the other two have stopped, they should check-in and get some kind of visual or audio "Ya, that's hot, keep going!" I think this is way easier and more comfortable than having to interject oneself into another couple and say, "Hey, can you guys cool it?" I don't think any of us want to be the ones that feel responsible for breaking up another couple's fun. If I was finished with a girl while my wife was still going at it, I'd MUCH rather have them stop and ask if everything is ok vs. waiting for me to throw water in the middle of things.

 

There are obviously a lot of things going on, but I know I enjoy things a lot more and appreciate when I know that I'm with a couple where everyone is looking out for the comfort of everyone else in the room.

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