What's with single men walking around clubs jerking off?

[Vegas Couple 15]

WTF????

Yeah so I'm only two years into this lifestyle...but STILL...I've seen it every time I go to a public swing club. Tonight it annoyed me to no end.

 

I'm in a room...WITH THE DOOR CLOSED...AND A FOLD-UP CHAIR SORTA WEDGED IN FRONT OF IT and there are signs EVERYWHERE saying NOT to open closed doors.

 

This fucking perv pushes the door open---looks in and says "Oh excuse me"

 

I could see if he was WITH a woman--and he was looking for an empty room. But it was the same freak I saw walking around jerking off at every piece of ass he saw.

 

THAT'S IT - I'm done. No more public clubs...only private house parties for me!

 

These PATHETIC single men are annoying.

[DigginIt 1,132]

Almost every club has a couples only night and if it doesn't then find a new club.

 

There was an off topic thread around here somewhere and this was brought up, maybe it wasn't off topic but some (a very few) like the "perv's" whacking off while you are trying to get off. Most of us don't but it's a money thing. The clubs need the revenue.

[funcoupledayton 2,708]

I would also suggest finding another club. But, first I would talk to the owners or management. If they're not aware of members making others uncomfortable/not following rules, they can't do anything about it. If you have to put a chair in front of a door, and it's still opened, obviously the members can't follow basic rules. It doesn't sound like a good place to meet like-minded couples.

[81lizard69 470]

I so hear you on this matter. There is a club here in Denver with a pool infected with the wolves. My wife and I visited there a few years ago and we went to the pool area. There were the folding chairs and five or six guys naked with their cocks in hand. The looked at my wife like she was a piece of meat... Yikes she was not ready for that. We left and went back to our room. Turns out that the place gets over run with the wolves during the matinée. But Friday through Sunday is couples only.

 

My wife won't go back and I don't blame her. You get what you pay for. We were there because the room was cheap for the matinée time that we rented it. We met our couple in the room and then left. No big deal... but in order to have a good time I really research the place we are going . The swinger site we belong to has a lot of info on the clubs in the area. In fact they have groups that go regularly and are a great resource of info on when to show up and what to expect. In fact they will even meet you there.

 

You just have to realize that swinging is on the fringe and not all places and clubs can afford to be 5-star. With a little planning and networking you can make some good memories. Build up that friends network and use it to your benefit. At least you did not step barefoot in a man puddle...ask me about that later.

[SwingSetHusband 110]

WTF????

Yeah so I'm only two years into this lifestyle...but STILL...I've seen it every time I go to a public swing club. Tonight it annoyed me to no end.

 

I'm in a room...WITH THE DOOR CLOSED...AND A FOLD-UP CHAIR SORTA WEDGED IN FRONT OF IT and there are signs EVERYWHERE saying NOT to open closed doors.

 

This fucking perv pushes the door open---looks in and says "Oh excuse me"

 

I could see if he was WITH a woman--and he was looking for an empty room. But it was the same freak I saw walking around jerking off at every piece of ass he saw.

 

THAT'S IT - I'm done. No more public clubs...only private house parties for me!

 

These PATHETIC single men are annoying.

 

WOW!!!!!! That's fucked up! If I was a single man and as much as I love sex and being a voyeur, I could not imagine myself being like that in a club or anywhere else.

[lotsoffun201 175]

We see guys doing that all the time at a couple of places in Vegas. We don't get it, but opening a closed door...that's crossing the line. That door is closed for a reason! They think it is their own live porno show. The owners will throw them out when they hear about it.

[Chicup 41]

We've never encounter this but we only go to clubs with no single male policies and events with no single males or only singles that are sponsored by couples. In those cases the single males were all well behaved.

 

We did have the male of a couple who couldn't take the hint attempt that at a club once.

[VegasLee 1,486]

Yes, we have seen the single and married guys jerking off for over 30 years. Not really anything new I hate to say. Just people new to this would feel it is new.

 

As far as doors. No door should ever be opened and when we are told about it the offender is shown the front door. We have locks on all our private rooms and tell people to use them. Matter of fact we are changing all the locks on every door this week in hopes that it will make it even easier for people to understand that if you want private, lock the door.

 

No one can fix a problem if they are not told about it when it happens. It should not happen, that part we agree on but always give the manager/owners the opportunity to fix a problem.

[Fours Company 169]

I've only personally seen this once years ago at a house party. We were in the open couples room with the wife and other woman enjoying each other's company and didn't even notice at first one of these looky-loos had entered and was standing in the corner, pants half-way down, punching the clown. Though we ignored him and it really didn't seem to bother anyone, I still thought it creepy. It was actually amusing when the other woman pointed it out to Mrs. Fours and rather non-diplomatically started laughing. Though it didn't seem to phase Mr. Pervy-wanker, he did eventually wander off when it became obvious he was not going to be asked to join-in.

 

There is a fairly well known club in our area with a reputation for sometimes being infested with single creepy guys that is also the only club that was around when we started out almost 14 years ago that hasn't folded, but we haven't been there in almost that same time mostly due to that factor. While I never personally witnessed guys hanging around jacking it like the specimens at the primate exhibit, they did tend to follow the couples and ladies around, sometimes naked and at full staff, hoping to get an eyeful or an invite. Though some have tried to claim it is not as bad as it used to be, we'll never know since our past experiences (especially having been Newbs back then), along with a low-rent, dumpy atmosphere and the highest "donation" of all the small couple-run clubs will keep us from ever considering a return visit.

 

Why this club is still around and why they permit these vultures to scare off some couples, I think has everything to do with what Digginit stated. It is not about the owners promoting the LS, but keeping the under-the-table cash flow coming in every weekend and with a "donation" almost twice the going rate of a couple, single males are more valuable even at the risk of loosing couples. In turn, clubs like these risk becoming bastions of dudes leering and whacking with less and less of material to work with.

[SW_PA_Couple 4,024]

Yes, we have seen the single and married guys jerking off for over 30 years. .

 

It is good that you mention that the 'single' guys are not the only perpetrators.

[sunbuckus 3,567]

Regarding the open/closed door policy, I think we've only experienced one event that even allowed closed doors. The majority of parties that we've attended require open doors so you have to be comfortable with other people watching. So, perhaps I'm in the small minority where it doesn't bother me too much if I see a male touching himself. However, just as it was stated above, if a club/party/event allows closed doors and someone opened the door, then the offender needs to know about the policy. Maybe he already knew and wanted to be a looky-loo but I tend to steer toward giving them the benefit of the doubt and see if as an honest mistake.

[junglecouple 127]

At our club, there were NO doors except on the bathrooms. Nothing raising my fur more than feeling "shut out". There were sheer curtains, so you could see a play area was in use, but OCCUPIED. If people wanted others to join them, they had two choices: go to the Group room, or invite the other(s) into your space. Doors, especially when closed, cause problems with newbies and nerves. Someone can't find their mate and so goes exploring. Tensions rise as the hunt continues until said mate is re-united with their intended... or worse, ends up in a loud verbal disagreement THROUGH the door.

[shy_couple 459]

We've never encounter this but we only go to clubs with no single male policies and events with no single males or only singles that are sponsored by couples. In those cases the single males were all well behaved.

 

We did have the male of a couple who couldn't take the hint attempt that at a club once.

Same with us but it took a little while to learn this lesson. Yep it was predatory single guys and one guy we nick named "Spanky McWhackin"

It's really off putting for us and we no longer attend clubs or parties where single men are allowed.

[cplnuswing 4,713]

We haven't really experienced the problem, but go to clubs and events that either screen the single males who do attend, limit their access to only certain public areas of the club unless accompanied by a couple, or don't allow them at all on the nights we go.

 

I personally think the limiting the numbers by jacking up the entry fee and then controlling their access to certain areas of the club is the best approach - that way, you don't eliminate having singles available for those that are interested, but should you get some clueless ones, it doesn't cause problems for those couples who aren't interested.

[Chicup 41]

If more swingers were willing to pay a better fee there would be less need for hard up single males at clubs.

[junglecouple 127]

If more swingers were willing to pay a better fee there would be less need for hard up single males at clubs.

 

HOW TRUE!!. The rise of HOUSE PARTIES has caused the demise of many good clubs. Everyone thinks the "professional" party giver/club makes sooo much $$, which is false, but that's the impression. So what happens? Every Tom, Dick, and Sherry decides they'll have their own party and just invite the folks they met at the professional venue. We used to find people giving out cards and invitations openly at our parties, which we would put a stop to immediately. So what happens is the "Professionals" quit because they are trying to compete with FREE or nearly free, house parties, while footing the bill to do it RIGHT! Funny, people have no problem paying $80- $110 for a good meal, but balk at $60 a couple for a great party, properly done, with a good buffet and no after-party cleanup. Save a penny to lose a dollar...

[Fours Company 169]

If more swingers were willing to pay a better fee there would be less need for hard up single males at clubs.

 

I'm assuming your theory is that as the fee for couples rises, then so would it for single males, eventually pricing them out, however I'm not entirely convinced this would be a solution.

 

As an example of the clubs in our local area, the usual "donations" for couples average in the $25-40 range, with single males $60-75. While I know there are those here that would consider that a bargain, there are some that even the couples fee is not exactly chump change just for the privilege of maybe finding another couple, that is if your not being ignored the whole time by the established clique. Thus the almost twice or more fee for single guys has not kept them away in droves and discretionary spending does not change desperation. One can argue they may be a better class (depending if one bases class on income) of horny, desperate guys, but they still will be horny desperate guys.

 

To me, the obvious solution is for clubs to simply discourage, severely limit, if not outright prohibit single males. Or lacking that the owners should serve as better regulators on the expected rules and behaviors and put priority on the concerns of couples, especially Newbies lest they risk scaring off those who might have otherwise had a successful LS go if not for a first bad experience with Mr. Pervy-wanker. To do otherwise a club risks becoming a hang-out just for the looky-loos and the few MFM couples that seek them out and drives away the one-on-one couples. We've already seen it happen to every club that used to be around when we started out and only one still remains...how I don't know.

 

While this isn't or wouldn't be an issue in those clubs owned by those people who more into promoting or still in the LS themselves, unfortunately for so many, at least in our neck of the woods, it's all about the Benjamins, baby. Even if you raise it, they will come (no pun intended ).

[Chicup 41]

What I mean was that most clubs would most likely like to limit single males or at least feel confident in black balling the jerk off teams, but due to financial concerns can't. If couples were paying more, and the clubs were more financially sound, then such would in fact be an option.

 

The two on-premise clubs we have been to in the Chicago area are EXPENSIVE, but both are no single males. A typical party costs something around $80-90 for a couple. Being a small business owner myself, I understand that if you are to see a profit, you need to have certain costs and I'm willing to "invest" in our particular hobby.

[Fours Company 169]

What I mean was that most clubs would most likely like to limit single males or at least feel confident in black balling the jerk off teams, but due to financial concerns can't. If couples were paying more, and the clubs were more financially sound, then such would in fact be an option.

 

I agree in as far as clubs having to depend too much on the bread & butter, in this case the single males, to turn a profit, that banning them or even significantly limiting them would affect their bottom line. However by raising costs you are not only pricing out some couples (unless you consider your club upscale enough to where you are trying to discourage the proles anyway) and in the end there will be some clubs that even on financially secure ground will still encourage the single males just because of the even higher profit margin.

 

Perhaps I should emphasis in my criticism what I mean by CLUB. I'm not referring to an established, stand-alone structure built or converted for the sole purpose of swinging activities where one might have the worry of the high expense of rent, taxes, and upkeep depending on the location and running it may be the owner's primary income and may serve alcohol. But the kind that is couple run in their primary or secondary home and consists of some mattresses, a pool/hot tub, small buffet and is strictly BYOB. One were the owners have middle-income or greater jobs during the week and change "donations" which is all under-the-table profit. An arrangement that one could argue occupies the ground between a house party and an actual established club, the difference between a house party being larger groups, advertising and weekly events.

 

Since this is nothing but pure extra income, it has been my experience these are the clubs that don't care who attends as long as they pay the "donation". The creepy guy's greens are no different then the couples, in fact he has more to offer. These are the clubs that could discourage the single males, but won't no matter what and it has nothing to do with financial costs as which there is very little.

[VegasLee 1,486]

We don't want to cut them out.

For 32 years Mike and Chris have felt this Lifestyle is about everyone. They are back from the days of when that was really true long before some tried to make it a couples only thing.

 

Funny part at the big parties we have is we can have 150 couples, 25 single guys and we get people bitching that the place is over ran with singles. I guess they count all the husbands and think they are single also. I really have no idea what they are talking about.

 

Our ratio on most regular nights are 1 single guy to about 12 couples or less. There are some "special" nights that the single guy ratio goes way up but the couples and single women that come on those nights come for that very reason.

 

The single guys have never been treated as a profit center. Yes, we charge them $10 to $20 more than a couple but that tends to thin out the scumbags. We charge less than half to a third of most other places. We have found there are hundreds of couples that look for single guys and that works for us. We also advise those that really HATE the fact single guys might be around not to party with us. We do have a couples only area but seems that some will come knowing there are singles, stay in the open area where everyone is allowed then go on line complaining about single guys. To me that is like going to Taco Bell and complaining because they have tacos.

 

Everyone has their thing. We don't condemn those that do things different then we do. There is a place for most everything these days. Just because it is different does not make it wrong.

 

You are correct though, there are some places that don't just use single guys as a profit center, they do their best to mislead them and rip them off.

[mauijanedoe 1,414]

Our club is a club, although the nominal owner and many of the staff live on the grounds. It also severely limits single men, as in few memberships are ever issued, they're limited in number to the number of single women that attend and pay the price couples pay. In addition, all men must be accompanied in the upstairs playrooms or they are asked to leave and their memberships are revoked. That means if you have to go to the washroom, you either attach your male partner to another woman (Sit! Stay!) or he has to come with you and wait on a bench outside.

 

Nevertheless, I've lost track of the number of times I've looked up to see guys with dicks in their hands. And every single one of them was with his wife or female partner. I just figured it was a guy thing, although I've never been with anyone who has done that. When it's bugged me - and mostly it doesn't, although I could do without the commentary - I've closed my eyes.

[sunbuckus 3,567]

When it's bugged me - and mostly it doesn't, although I could do without the commentary - I've closed my eyes.

 

Bingo. This is exactly what I do, too. Sometimes I like the thought or perhaps vague knowledge of what might be going on but the actual visual can be a bit much so I close my eyes and focus on something else.

[junglecouple 127]

Any type of "organized" club/party has a lot of issues to handle. Someone mentioned alcohol.. Here in Texas, (and probably most other states), if you serve alcohol, you MUST HAVE A LICENSE/ PERMIT. Even if you don't sell alcohol, hiding the cost in the cover charge won't get you a break. A license means, NO HOUSE PARTY, you can't have a liquor license in a neighborhood... so if you are distributing alcohol, under any guise, you'll have more problems than 4 attorneys can handle. BYOB is the norm down here. Free setups are fine. Now tie all those expenses up, and then build a business model that will afford you a profit, but your biz will only be open 1-2 days a week in most places.. Some, like Lee's, are full time, but that's rare unless you're in a "destination location" like NOLA or Vegas. So in 4-8 days a month, you need to cover the whole months overhead. Doesn't leave a lot of room for "making money". We only allowed Single males with a Sponsoring couple, and it was rigorously enforced.. the normal per couple cost was $50, and that was 6 years ago.. forget keeping up with inflation..

[Guy1964 177]

What I mean was that most clubs would most likely like to limit single males or at least feel confident in black balling the jerk off teams, but due to financial concerns can't. If couples were paying more, and the clubs were more financially sound, then such would in fact be an option.

 

The two on-premise clubs we have been to in the Chicago area are EXPENSIVE, but both are no single males. A typical party costs something around $80-90 for a couple. Being a small business owner myself, I understand that if you are to see a profit, you need to have certain costs and I'm willing to "invest" in our particular hobby.

 

It sounds like, as with any other activity I've ever been a part of, that you get what you pay for. A higher quality of experience requires more resources which requires higher fees for the customer. I'd rather pay the higher fee, but I'm sure not everyone feels that way. "Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten."

[sunbuckus 3,567]

It sounds like, as with any other activity I've ever been a part of, that you get what you pay for. A higher quality of experience requires more resources which requires higher fees for the customer. I'd rather pay the higher fee, but I'm sure not everyone feels that way. "Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten."

 

The clubs in our area aren't that great so we usually attend house parties. However, there are two types of house parties. The first type is the open to (almost) everyone type that is promoted on the LS ad websites like SLS. Sometimes they might be limited to couples only. Sometimes open to select single males. Sometimes a free-for-all. With all of these, I would say it is more like a "club" but I never call them that because they are held at someone's home (or rented space) and not at a dedicated rented building just for swinging. With this type of house party, there is a donation fee--free for single females, average cost for couples, and higher price for single males. As two4you stated, it really does depend on the people attending or perhaps how they are feeling that night. Some parties are duds and others are as busy as bunny rabbits.

 

The second type of house parties are the private invite ones that aren't promoted on any website. You have to be invited by word-of-mouth. With these, there are no donation fees but perhaps a potluck type of thing where everyone brings a dish to share with others. At one of these parties, one woman told me that these "free parties" were usually the most fun whereas the paid affairs were dicey. I have to say, with our limited experience in these types of house parties, they were more fun.

 

However, there are so many variables that can affect the outcome as to whether a night at the club/house party/etc. is fun to a couple. For example, the way a couple swings can affect the outcome. When we first started swinging, we realized that a lot of these private house parties leaned heavily on the play-separately side so we steered toward the non-private house parties. Couples who attend a swinging event that has a lot single males or a lot of black males may not see the event as having a "good vibe" because they don't play with single males or aren't into the "chocolate love" fetish. Or perhaps they just aren't attracted to anyone else that is in attendance.

 

Anyway, I think I got this thread off course...men jerking off at swing events, right? Poor men...they sure do get the short end of the stick when it comes to swinging sometimes. Performance anxiety/issues, being the pursuer, being inappropriate with their junk....

[cplnuswing 4,713]

When it's bugged me - and mostly it doesn't, although I could do without the commentary - I've closed my eyes.

 

Bingo. This is exactly what I do, too. Sometimes I like the thought or perhaps vague knowledge of what might be going on but the actual visual can be a bit much so I close my eyes and focus on something else.

 

But you shouldn't have to. Whether it really and truly bothers you or not, you are having to change your behavior to avoid someone else's poor behavior. I'm guessing that if given the choice, you both would rather stay eyes open much of the time and focused on your playmate mixed in with getting to watch your spouse having fun too.

 

I look at it like this - if I was to stand in the play areas, hands nowhere near my dick, or say even fully clothed, and start belting out my favorite song just because that is what I do when I am happy, then are earplugs the answer? No, I'd get my ass booted right out the door, and my protesting that since I had paid the premium entry fee to get in and that one or two even seemed to like my singing gives me the right to be rude and distracting to everyone else would fall on deaf ears, and probably get me an even harder shove than I would have to start with.

 

If you can't act appropriately and are being a distraction for others, then you need to go.

 

It's a swing club, a pervy dude flying solo and jacking himself off is not swinging anymore than when he is jacking off looking at porn on the computer in his basement. Key word there is solo, not part of any couple or group experience, big difference between that and a husband who is just taking a break to catch his breath while his wife and another keep going at it.

[mauijanedoe 1,414]

But you shouldn't have to. Whether it really and truly bothers you or not, you are having to change your behavior to avoid someone else's poor behavior. I'm guessing that if given the choice, you both would rather stay eyes open much of the time and focused on your playmate mixed in with getting to watch your spouse having fun too.

 

Speaking only for myself, if we're in a public area then I have implicitly agreed to be public, and that includes dealing with wanking kibitzers. In other words, I am part of the problem, if it is a problem, so long as I have chosen not to go into a private cubby. Since you mentioned belting out show tunes or whatever, I'm much more bugged by persistent screamers, because I haven't yet figured out how to close my ears without using my hands, and those are generally busy.

[cplnuswing 4,713]

I should have been more specific. You're right, in open play group areas, you gets what you gets, and you know that up front, so not a whole lot of room to complain. I was referring more to the private and semi-private play areas, the exact definition of which varies by club. Barging through a door with your dick in your hand, standing in a curtained doorway with your dick in your hand, big open play area that isn't full yet you feel the need to sit right next to those playing with your dick in your hand, then not cool. Good point about screamers too, but I will bet you an truly out of control screamer would be shooshed quicker either by their partner or others around them than the solo pervy guy. Peer pressure only works on those who are peers.

[Chicup 41]

I think it is all about having some class. I can understand some people enjoying being the show, and more power to them, but I can't understand just standing there dick in hand stroking away, especially uninvited.

[mauijanedoe 1,414]

I think it is all about having some class. I can understand some people enjoying being the show, and more power to them, but I can't understand just standing there dick in hand stroking away, especially uninvited.

 

And this thread is unlikely to bring any out, willing to share why they do what they do. That's unfortunate, because I'd really like to know. I can't imagine a woman doing it, although women masturbate as much as men, and I'm inclined to think it's a male phenomenon, anyway.

[sunbuckus 3,567]

And this thread is unlikely to bring any out, willing to share why they do what they do. That's unfortunate, because I'd really like to know. I can't imagine a woman doing it, although women masturbate as much as men, and I'm inclined to think it's a male phenomenon, anyway.

 

Yes, I am also interested in hearing about the single male perspective (although it has been mentioned that it isn't just singles that do it). Perhaps a new thread in the Singles and Swinging forum might bring out more responses from them?

[DigginIt 1,132]

I just figured it was a guy thing, although I've never been with anyone who has done that. When it's bugged me - and mostly it doesn't, although I could do without the commentary - I've closed my eyes.

 

So, the only time I grab my dick and stroke it is when I'm about to try to stick a condom on it. You will never see me walking around with it in my hand stroking away. I don't think it's a guy thing at all.

 

Maybe some fucked up single male thought process that "hey, if they see I have it ready maybe they will invite me in" or something equally stupid.

 

I will tell you where I do see it a lot...gang bang pornos. There's my thoughts on it, stupid monkey see, stupid monkey do!

[junglecouple 127]

Or perhaps, they are their own personal fluffer. Like Digginit said, in the pornos if the guy isn't ready, all the time, he's out of a job. Some guy see this whole LS as a real live porno and can't, or won't, separate real life from fantasy. They do what they see in the movies, thinking it's cool, or hot, depending on thought process.

[johnstarx5 61]

We don't want to cut them out.

For 32 years Mike and Chris have felt this Lifestyle is about everyone. They are back from the days of when that was really true long before some tried to make it a couples only thing.

 

Funny part at the big parties we have is we can have 150 couples, 25 single guys and we get people bitching that the place is over ran with singles. I guess they count all the husbands and think they are single also. I really have no idea what they are talking about.

 

Our ratio on most regular nights are 1 single guy to about 12 couples or less. There are some "special" nights that the single guy ratio goes way up but the couples and single women that come on those nights come for that very reason.

 

The single guys have never been treated as a profit center. Yes, we charge them $10 to $20 more than a couple but that tends to thin out the scumbags. We charge less than half to a third of most other places. We have found there are Hundreds of couples that look for single guys and that works for us. We also advise those that really HATE the fact single guys might be around not to party with us. We do have a couples only area but seems that some will come knowing there are singles, stay in the open area where everyone is allowed then go on line complaining about single guys. To me that is like going to Taco Bell and complaining because they have tacos.

 

Everyone has their thing. We don't condemn those that do things different then we do. There is a place for most everything these days. Just because it is different does not make it wrong.

 

You are correct though, there are some places that don't just use single guys as a profit center, they do their best to mislead them and rip them off.

 

I am a single guy and the above quote is why love going to the Red Rooster. Thanks VegasLee

 

Yes, I am also interested in hearing about the single male perspective (although it has been mentioned that it isn't just singles that do it). Perhaps a new thread in the Singles and Swinging forum might bring out more responses from them?

 

I will be honest I am somewhat taken a back by the tone in this thread (Go ahead and bash the single guy).

 

Ok sorry for my rant and if I am misreading this thread then I apologize but I feel sometime single males in the lifestyle get a bad rap for no reason.

 

BTW if this thread was about only violating a closed door policy then I would be ok.

[curiousbear 20]

I am glad I read this thread...

[Twilighttap 168]

We enjoy going to monthly wintertime nude spa parties. About 60/40 nudists to swinger ratio. About the same ratio of couple to single men. There does always seem to be 1--4 guys (single or part of a couple but standing alone) that prefer jerking off to socializing. Mostly happens in an area that you know sex will be happening - we just avert or try to avoid. Not a turn on by any means.

[10thBadger 25]

On 12/12/2013 at 12:10 PM, Fours Company said:

I've only personally seen this once years ago at a house party. We were in the open couples room with the wife and other woman enjoying each other's company and didn't even notice at first one of these looky-loos had entered and was standing in the corner, pants half-way down, punching the clown. Though we ignored him and it really didn't seem to bother anyone, I still thought it creepy. It was actually amusing when the other woman pointed it out to Mrs. Fours and rather non-diplomatically started laughing. Though it didn't seem to phase Mr. Pervy-wanker, he did eventually wander off when it became obvious he was not going to be asked to join-in.

 

There is a fairly well known club in our area with a reputation for sometimes being infested with single creepy guys that is also the only club that was around when we started out almost 14 years ago that hasn't folded, but we haven't been there in almost that same time mostly due to that factor. While I never personally witnessed guys hanging around jacking it like the specimens at the primate exhibit, they did tend to follow the couples and ladies around, sometimes naked and at full staff, hoping to get an eyeful or an invite. Though some have tried to claim it is not as bad as it used to be, we'll never know since our past experiences (especially having been Newbs back then), along with a low-rent, dumpy atmosphere and the highest "donation" of all the small couple-run clubs will keep us from ever considering a return visit.

 

Why this club is still around and why they permit these vultures to scare off some couples, I think has everything to do with what Digginit stated. It is not about the owners promoting the LS, but keeping the under-the-table cash flow coming in every weekend and with a "donation" almost twice the going rate of a couple, single males are more valuable even at the risk of loosing couples. In turn, clubs like these risk becoming bastions of dudes leering and whacking with less and less of material to work with.

I just had to have my husband Translate punching the clown in Russian language. He was laughing as he was trying to describe this to me. Now we are both in tears laughing and waiting for the grandkids to come to open up their presents. Search Colorful slang lol

 

Merry Christmas to all