Difficulty hanging with NON-swingers.

[AskMeOk 148]

OK, problem on steroids, but, living in a tourist area we have a LOT of people that want to share our home.

 

Now, wearing clothes in the pool, wearing clothes, period, not watching whom is kissing or fondling whom, etc, is problematic.

 

Are we the only ones?

[windsor4fun2 130]

I wouldn't say it is a problem but it is nice when they leave.

[angelkin 1,326]

No. I've found myself almost touching a vanilla acquaintance's ass at a card party once. I recently had to wear a suit in my own hot tub - that was strange.

[Guest]

We just tell everyone that the rule is no suits in the hot tub. It's a small tub, the various detergents and additives people use in their laundry knocks the hot tub's chemicals out of quilter. Haven't had anyone say no.

[Fundamental Law 2,885]

We offer similar guidance and have a sign indicating "hot tub in use, no swimsuits allowed". We bought it on the Internet for $5 or so.

[JandKinBoise 858]

The no swimsuit rule for hot tubs is great. We had that rule because of the foam issue but found it had other affects. We never had actual sex with any vanilla people in the tub but it was nice to see how they would loosen up after losing the clothing. Seeing someone go from wrapping in a towel while sliding into the tub, with all lights out, to dancing on the deck in the moonlight. Nice.

 

Concerning guests. We have (had) an empty nest. Now the mother in law lives with us. We would rarely wear clothes if it was just us. No nudity now...ever...sigh

[angelkin 1,326]

We offer similar guidance and have a sign indicating "hot tub in use, no swimsuits allowed". We bought it on the Internet for $5 or so.

 

Typically we are sharing the hot tub with friends and there's no question about wearing suits - this was family gathering with small children and pre-teens:(

[SW_PA_Couple 4,024]

If we only had a hot tub, we'd say. It's hot-tub envy that generates that foam.

[GoldCoCouple 4,065]

Hot tubs and/or boats are a requirement to be considered a swinger...SW PA Couple, turn in your membership card!

 

Ms. Gold's brother and wife have been down several times in the last year and stayed at our house. Every time we have to try and find where we last put our suits since they ALWAYS want to go in the hot tub (and wouldn't want to get in the tub any other way with them). Saturday the couple that we've been dating the last few years come over to see our animals (with their grandchild) and to go swimming. Even they commented about how it was strange to wear swimsuits at our place.

 

As for any one else visiting, we explain to them that we are starting a new business: the Sacramento Senior Nudest Gun Club and Weight Loss Clinic (to present the vision of old overweight naked people with guns...). If they still want to visit, they've been warned...

[SW_PA_Couple 4,024]

Hot tubs and/or boats are a requirement to be considered a swinger...SW PA Couple, turn in your membership card...

? Wah!

[sunbuckus 3,567]

It's okay, SW. We don't have a hot tub or boat, too!

[two4youinswva 3,068]

It's okay, SW. We don't have a hot tub or boat, too!

 

We don't either.

 

Of course I come from a long line of contrarians. My parents do have a hot tub, but aren't swingers.

[Fundamental Law 2,885]

 

As for any one else visiting, we explain to them that we are starting a new business: the Sacramento Senior Nudist Gun Club and Weight Loss Clinic (to present the vision of old overweight naked people with guns...). If they still want to visit, they've been warned...

 

What a lovely vision! And pray tell where do you holster your weapons...

[GoldCoCouple 4,065]

Maybe you were just unaware of this rule but fortunately you all have time to correct this. It's summer so you can put both to use as soon as you get either (or both).

 

Speaking of non-swingers: Are we the only couple who spends too much time seeing various people in public and wondering if they would be interested in swinging and/or what they would look like naked (in a hot tub or a boat, of course)?

[MrDiscover 802]

No, you are not.

[Fundamental Law 2,885]

Speaking of non-swingers: Are we the only couple who spends too much time seeing various people in public and wondering if they would be interested in swinging and/or what they would look like naked (in a hot tub or a boat, of course)?

 

Actually, it's sort of a sport....

[AskMeOk 148]

It's okay, SW. We don't have a hot tub or boat, too!

 

You can upgrade your membership by getting one!

[njbm 2,868]

Smoking jacket, Hugh Hefner silk robe... Seinfeld said he's not an orgy guy because he didn't like the silk robe he'd have to wear.

[windsor4fun2 130]

My parents do have a hot tub, but aren't swingers.

Are you sure?

[intuition897 2,179]

Speaking of non-swingers: Are we the only couple who spends too much time seeing various people in public and wondering if they would be interested in swinging and/or what they would look like naked (in a hot tub or a boat, of course)?

 

OMFG, this has been the worst distraction lately. Since we've lost some weight, we're suddenly full of energy...and mischief. At least I am. I walk around all freaking day thankful that I don't have a thought bubble that pops up over my head. I walk away thinking, "I sure hope I didn't just say that out loud." It can be very distracting. The worst part is trying to avoid actually flirting. Left to my own devices, I have all the subtlety of a sledgehammer. There's a pouting child on the inside that just wants to PLAY already, and she can't figure out why CAN'T I just say that? Or do that?"

[two4youinswva 3,068]

Are you sure?

Yeah, that one is a no brainer. They've shared more than once how sick they think you people are.

[Fundamental Law 2,885]

They've shared more than once how sick they think you people are.

 

Such a "how sick you people are" attitude always stimulates a bit of reflection.

 

Although there are unpleasant people in all worlds and all walks of life -- LS included -- our experience is that LS folks are a lot less "sick" than the vanilla world. LS people know the difference between sex and love, biology and emotion. They do not confuse a sex partner with their life partner. While levels of interest and participation may vary among couples and even within couples, they come to the LS as a couple. The nature of the LS is that it can--and will -- expose fault lines in a relationship. Our observation is that LS couples are no less vulnerable to the ups and downs of relationships than their vanilla counterparts. What makes LS couples different is that they have a toolset of honesty, commitment and communication. They find ways to talk about needs and wants, real life and fantasy life and so on. They are partners joined at the hip.

 

This suggests a question that I am going to pose as a new separate thread: to those marrieds in the LS for a time, what was in your wedding vows when you married, and what are your mutual commitments today?

[afterwork 89]

We had the same rule for our spas... no suits, and yes it was for the detergents. We never had anyone complain but we did make one exception. When her sister and three kids visited from out of state, the kids were allowed to use the spa while we adults sat around the patio. Truly a family time with never a concept of LS activity thought of or mentioned.

 

After the kids were retired and sleeping for the evening, we as the host/hostess reminded her sister and hubby that the spa was not to be used with clothing. We still had one more work day and retired to our master bedroom.

 

About two hours later, we heard the bubbles motor kick on for the spa outside our master bedroom patio door. The "homeowner safety concern" kicked in as we knew children (we have none) were in the home and we invisioned that a child might have somehow got past the gates and security covers. We quickly stole a peek to the spa discovering little sister and her husband enjoying the spa without suits.

 

The bubble generator was really loud and they were trying several buttons to stop the noise. They both were standing up on the first step trying to access the buttons for the noisy device. They did find it and stood very still to see if they had alarmed anyone.

 

Sensing they were in the clear, Sis eased back down into the deeper water where it became convenient for her to reach up to her husband and start sucking his cock. It was a momentary event as they both went into the water and we went back to bed happy that relatives were were enjoying the spa.

 

We left for our commute and didn't see them until the next evening, a Friday. They had worn their kids out taking in local venues of family fun. By 11 PM, they were out like a rock.

 

We announced we were going to relaxing out some of the week's work related tension and hit the spa. Did they want to join us. Panic swept across their faces as they knew our rule. We assured them it was no big deal especially as they had already observed the practice last night.

 

When they realized they had been seen, Sis asked what did we see. Our reply was, "normal stuff."

 

Funny how easy it had been to have neighbors and friends (even vanilla friends) accept and enjoy the "no suits" rules. But it just seemed more difficult for family. Guess not too difficult as the next two evenings the four of us enjoyed the spa together sans clothes and both couples also enjoyed a little soft swing. Guess it runs in the family.

[Fundamental Law 2,885]

We had the same rule for our spas... no suits.... Funny how easy it had been to have neighbors and friends (even vanilla friends) accept and enjoy the "no suits" rules. But it just seemed more difficult for family. Guess not too difficult as the next two evenings the four of us enjoyed the spa together sans clothes and both couples also enjoyed a little soft swing. Guess it runs in the family.

 

Mrs. FL's sister and her husband moved from out of state to a town a half-hour away a few years back. Coincidentally, he has back issues that are relieved by hot baths, spas and so on. The first time they visited, we showed them the hot tub (and the sign alongside: "hot tub in use, no swimsuits allowed"). Mrs. FL had a bit of angst. This was family, not playmates after all.

 

The were back a week later. We had dinner on the patio. Thirty minutes later, all of us were in the spa. Now they're disappointed when the weather is too lousy to go in. Yeah, there's a little soft play too. It does seem to run in families.

[asncpl 729]

We don't have a hot tub (I really want one too) but my sister lives 15 minutes away and she has one. With her and her husband both in the LS, going naked in their hot tub is not an issue. It's only an issue when our brother decides to bring his family along. We go visit a russian spa regularly where the communal areas are clothing optional and mixed gender. I and Mr. A like to guess which of the naked people are swingers. Unfortunately except for one time when we struck up a conversation with another couple, we never know if we are right.

[afterwork 89]

We have been searching for real estate north central and east Texas using several online services. We happened onto one location of a private gated community that had a lot of appeal in its amenities and pricing. We decided that it and a few other choices hit enough of the positive check points to warrant the trip.

 

We met with the realtor lady onsite and begin narrowing down lots to look at for our construction. She was trying to persuade us to consider a lot that backed up to a tee box on the golf course. We intend to put a large swim spa or a small pool in our layout and started asking about privacy fencing. Her response was that the POA would not allow fences that might block the view of the course and why would we want a privacy fence, "are you two swimming naked?"

 

We of course said no but that we just don't like pubic swimming as we are private folks. So, the realtor began showing us other lots away from the golf course and even more remote from the main body of lots being used. She kept going on about how we could have more privacy with our pool in the other lots and even said we would most likely be more comfortable in the other lot locations just in case someone visiting might want to skinny dip.

 

She even suggested two lots where we could "center" the house creating a half moon drive for more parking of visitors that might be coming over for a private dip in the pool. Then she drove us by some other examples of homes fashioned that way saying, "you can do an aerial map search and see the pools for these houses. The pool area is very private, but seems to be a lot of weekend visitors at these homes.

 

Funny thing when we said that we would like to buy the golf course lot. It oddly went from available to "sold three weeks ago.". Somehow we sense that the realtor didn't believe our response to her question of swimming naked. Glad she didn't ask if we like to fuck our friends in and around the pool.

 

We are still looking for real estate.

[AskMeOk 148]

When we went looking for a house, clothing optional past the front door was mandatory. I can't imagine having a pool without a privacy fence... it wouldn't work for us. At. All. YMMV.

[intuition897 2,179]

I really do not like suburban living. At all. I'm an introvert anyway, so jogging at night was preferable because all the humans were in their dens for the night; no having to nod and smile as I jogged by. I hated looking out my window at my neighbour waving at me from theirs as they, too, made their morning coffee. Ugh. So imagine my mortification at the sound of our teenage neighbours mocking our sex noises that wafted from our open window. Yeah, the window was open because four bodies fucking on the same bed generate a lot of heat. So we moved...

 

...To the country!! Woo-hoo! We've been here for about 9 years now, and I am in my element. We both grew up in the middle of nowhere, and although I wish I didn't have a 45 minute commute each way every day, we are in our element. When we bought the place, even though we weren't actively swinging, we knew it was going to be a part of our lifestyle. We wanted a place where we could entertain privately. We have total privacy here. Dead end road, huge lot (as in, acreage), distant neighbours, abundant tree coverage... And we'll eventually add a hot tub, sauna, outdoor shower, and maybe a pool. Want to get our back deck rigged up with a kickass outdoor kitchen with concrete countertop and built in grill, and revamp the firepit with plenty of comfy seating. Ooh, and a multi-tier couch in the den...right in front of the giant TV with surround sound.