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Regulating sex: Uncharted waters in the suburbs. -USA Today

Three months ago, Warren invested what she said was her life savings to open another club with her fiancé in West Chester Township, a Cincinnati suburb. With a location secured, she only needed a zoning permit and license to operate a "sexually-oriented business."

 

After several meetings and discussions with township officials, she got the permit and license with no resistance. In fact, when the general public found out about Warren’s plans, the township defended her. Officials said she did everything right.

 

A week later, Community Development Director Michael Juengling rescinded Warren’s license and permit.

 

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Warren says that, because of the township's actions, she is stuck in a multiyear lease, out about $100,000 and struggling to understand what went wrong.

 

Funny, in the states everyone focuses on the "big elections", but the fact is, no one can make your life more miserable than a locally elected official.

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There was an article in the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago about very wealthy people building heavily sound-proofed private nightclubs in their basements. We're talking casino games, professional sound systems, bars, bringing in big-name acts to entertain their friends.

 

That was controversial, with people complaining about concerns over traffic, etc. Mostly along the lines of "this is a quiet lakeside town for summers with our families". I have to wonder how it would go down if word slipped out someone had constructed a Roman-style orgy hall in their basement.

 

For private, non-commercial use with a group of good friends, of course.

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West Chester Township, Ohio--some big political figures there hosting rallies featuring Jesus-jerks.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Chester_Township,_Butler_County,_Ohio

 

People don't seem to understand that all paranoid notions and ideas about sex come from religion, namely Christian religion. And since 1947, not only is Congress not allowed to make laws respecting establishments of religion, state and local governments aren't either. All these laws against strip clubs, Lifestyle clubs, porn shops, etc., ARE laws respecting establishments of religion, and need to go.

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There was an article in the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago about very wealthy people building heavily sound-proofed private nightclubs in their basements. We're talking casino games, professional sound systems, bars, bringing in big-name acts to entertain their friends.

 

That was controversial, with people complaining about concerns over traffic, etc. Mostly along the lines of "this is a quiet lakeside town for summers with our families". I have to wonder how it would go down if word slipped out someone had constructed a Roman-style orgy hall in their basement.

 

For private, non-commercial use with a group of good friends, of course.

 

Red and I visited her relatives in a nearby state. While her relatives are of modest means about 5 miles from their home there is a large expensive but un-gated development- the low end homes sell for $750k+. We saw one of the biggest showplace home's was for sale and looked it up. $10.3 million gets a huge house that includes a full basement theater. Not home theater but facsimile of an actual full size theater including a vintage 1950s style lobby with room enough to display a couple cars (brought thru the movable walk out glass doors at one end) and a soda shop across from the ticket booth.

 

So, if someone's built something like that, what's to say that somebody hasn't already built a swing club in their basement? Only issue is that money like that typically doesn't swing but either obly works at getting more money or hires professional prostitutes for outside the mainstream sexual adventures...

 

Also Red and I decided against previewing the home because we only want a home that owns its own lake...

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Just a reminder - these issues are certainly relevant ones for discussion here, and just by their nature do involve a degree of politics, but in accordance with the site rules, please try to keep any specific political names and parties out of the discussion.

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That was controversial, with people complaining about concerns over traffic, etc. Mostly along the lines of "this is a quiet lakeside town for summers with our families". I have to wonder how it would go down if word slipped out someone had constructed a Roman-style orgy hall in their basement.

 

The "traffic" has long been my concern with LARGE house parties situated in neighborhoods, especially those with 1/3 acre lots or less. I know I would be a bit irritated if I had a close neighbor holding weekly large kids parties, religious meetings, Tupperware parties, and the guests vehicles were snarling up the street. So, I can appreciate someone being irritated with cars lining the street (and possbily blocking driveways) on a regular basis.

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The "traffic" has long been my concern with LARGE house parties situated in neighborhoods, especially those with 1/3 acre lots or less. I know I would be a bit irritated if I had a close neighbor holding weekly large kids parties, religious meetings, Tupperware parties, and the guests vehicles were snarling up the street. So, I can appreciate someone being irritated with cars lining the street (and possbily blocking driveways) on a regular basis.

 

I would take a guess and say there at are least 2-4 large, open house parties a month here and there are always rules about not blocking other people's driveways, being discreet, not going out to your car undressed, and being quiet when arriving and departing. We recently attended such a party except that they converted a good portion of their lot to a hidden parking lot so guests can park there and it won't annoy the neighbors.

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I've always believed being considerate of and respecting others goes a long way toward making your own life go smoothly. I suspect most club/party owners have figured that out too since we know there are WAY more parties out there than the occasional horror story in the media :) Then there's always those few who do everything right and just have bad luck and still end up in a mess. Those are the ones I feel sorry for.

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Good for them! Glad they had the resources to fight it since it sounded like they were in a good position to win. Assuming nothing changes on appeal, if indeed there is one which I doubt, then next comes the group of a handful of outraged citizens, and then once they run out of steam, then in not too long it will be "Swingers club? Yeah, there's been one here for a couple of years. Over on 1st Street? Or maybe it's 3rd Avenue? I don't know, somewhere over there, not really sure since you don't hear much out of them."

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I live in a rural area and there was a kids camp where the club that sponsored it couldn't afford upkeep and had to put it up for sale. They sold it to a group that turned it into a fancy deer camp for out of state deer hunters during hunting season, but the rest of the time it was used to host swinger parties and never a complaint because it was private property and the property was so big nothing could be seen from the closest road. It was the perfect set up.

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Interesting topic this is. 

 

Here is Canada, municipalities can greatly help or hinder these sort of initiatives much as they appear to in the US. 

 

Two recent examples.

 

Here in Calgary, a resident of a local community converted the basement of their owner occupied dwelling into a BDSM club.

The surrounding residents attempted to shut this down on the basis of "inappropriate use" in terms of failure to meet the zoning standards. My understanding is that this went back and forth, and ironically, what appears to have shut it down, is the issue of parking, and the lack thereof provided by the owner of 

the said "club". 

 

In addition, we have a small city in southern Alberta, that it appears to have a city council that is consistently denying approval to applications for 

"private, members only, adult clubs". Consequently, nothing exists in that area. 

 

 

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On 2/15/2016 at 10:14 PM, SwingAcademic said:

West Chester Township, Ohio--some big political figures there hosting rallies featuring Jesus-jerks.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Chester_Township,_Butler_County,_Ohio

 

People don't seem to understand that all paranoid notions and ideas about sex come from religion, namely Christian religion. And since 1947, not only is Congress not allowed to make laws respecting establishments of religion, state and local governments aren't either. All these laws against strip clubs, Lifestyle clubs, porn shops, etc., ARE laws respecting establishments of religion, and need to go.

True some Christians have never seen themselves naked.  But in this day and age there are very few "honor killings" that you find in the fundamentalist Muslim community. 

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This has always been an issue….location, location……location.

 

most do not know or understand their local zoning, home business….or zoned business requirements.

 

then there are business requirements, registration, fees, taxes, licenses, permits, business name registration and DBA’s.  Oh damn doesn’t stop there……insurance or insurances.  Set backs and space or location away…distance from other listed businesses. Oops….and parking…..all above also applies to parking.

 

in our location it has been rather easy….if you follow all the various rules, laws, requirements, registrations listings etc etc oh and parking.   All that have been shut down were due to misguided attempts to circumvent the rules, guidelines, laws etc etc. up to including donations for house parties.  Still income…..regardless, unless you are a listed charity.  This and parking lead to almost every home party to be shut down at one time or another.  Complaints of people parking along the street…..noise and gathering size….leads to complaints, investigation then to non compliance and shutdown……to unwanted publicity.

 

some generalizations apply every where….the rest are by state, county and town.  And a few by residence as in gated, non gated, complex, condo and apartment contract application.

 

so yes, small tight, closed group parties can work….and do work well.  More open to general admissions require much more attention to detail……and requirements.

 

we have a lot of insight with this for our area.

 

 

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