The logic behind using condoms for intercourse but not oral?

[dkcouple123 22]

Hello all!!

 

I've been spending a lot of time on here over the course of the past couple days and I'm noticing an underlying theme in some of the threads. A lot of correspondence in regards to safe sex seem to mention that using a condom for intercourse is the common practice. However, while engaging in foreplay/oral sex the use of condoms and dental dams becomes carefree. If you're not worried about pregnancy, why use a condom at all? We are actively searching for people to have fun with when we travel to Florida next month and wondered how most of you handle this situation? I know my wife does not enjoy the taste of a condom but as she always says the only way someone is going inside of her is with a love glove :-)

[njbm 2,873]

Not using condoms or dental dams is a risk most people will take. Most people we play with use condoms for intercourse and we insist on it, as negative as they are for sensation and male erectile function. We understand that we are taking risks.

[dkcouple123 22]

Not using condoms or dental dams is a risk most people will take. Most people we play with use condoms for intercourse and we insist on it, as negative as they are for sensation and male erectile function. We understand that we are taking risks.

 

Thats the point I am trying to understand, people are aware of the risk in not using them for oral but is the risk for STD's less when performing oral compared to intercourse?

[Lionheart72 2,190]

dkcouple123 said:

Thats the point I am trying to understand, people are aware of the risk in not using them for oral but is the risk for STD's less when performing oral compared to intercourse?

 

Evidently, yes the risk is lower compared to intercourse but there is a still a risk.

 

""Oral sex is not safe sex," says Terri Warren, RN, owner of Westover Heights Clinic in Portland, Ore., a private clinic specializing in STDs. "It's safer sex, but it's definitely not safe sex." ... The risks of getting an STD from unprotected oral sex are typically much lower than the risks posed by having unprotected vaginal or anal sex, Warren says."

 

Oral Sex: Safety, Risks, Relationships, STD Transmission

[dkcouple123 22]

Lionheart72 said:

Evidently, yes the risk is lower compared to intercourse but there is a still a risk.

 

""Oral sex is not safe sex," says Terri Warren, RN, owner of Westover Heights Clinic in Portland, Ore., a private clinic specializing in STDs. "It's safer sex, but it's definitely not safe sex." ... The risks of getting an STD from unprotected oral sex are typically much lower than the risks posed by having unprotected vaginal or anal sex, Warren says."

 

Oral Sex: Safety, Risks, Relationships, STD Transmission

 

Thanks! This is helpful but it's still interesting to see what percentage of risk people are okay with

[BuiltForSin 66]

Thanks! This is helpful but it's still interesting to see what percentage of risk people are okay with

 

Pretty simple.. For normal sex what a condom takes away is worth it to reduce the risk. For oral sex the "protection" takes away more and the benefit it gives is less.. to the point that if the only options are protection or no oral sex the option is no oral sex for many.

[padoc 1,703]

This hobby involves some risk regardless. There are three ways to nearly eliminate the possibility of STD's. 1. Abstinence. 2. Sex only with spouse (presuming he/she isn't cheating) or 3. Refine your selection process.

[SW_PA_Couple 4,024]

. . . is the risk for STD's less when performing oral compared to intercourse?

True.

[Alura 2,774]

Oral sex is safer than vaginal sex and a lot safer than anal sex. Saliva and stomach acids contain powerful chemicals which will kill most infectious germs. It is the same reason animals lick their wounds.

 

Still, careful selection of partners is a must.

 

I remember a suggestion from some years ago. It was to insert spermicide before playing. It sounds reasonable but Mrs. Alura and I never tried it.

[Fundamental Law 2,885]

I'm not sure that there are data supporting an assertion that oral sex is intrinsically safer than other forms of sexual contact. While it is true that saliva contains digestive enzymes and the the stomach contains both acid and digestive enzymes, their activity against organisms that underlie STIs is hardly complete. Oral gonorrhea, for example, can be asymptomatic but no less infectious. More sinister is an significant uptick among men of various oral cancers that are caused by HPV. These cancers are, of course, slow to appear. As a consequence, oral sexual activity decades in the past may underlie the current epidemiology. There is strong logic in young men being vaccinated against HPV as well as young women.

 

Oral sex is fun. It's part of our repertoire and likely part of yours as well. However, oral sex should not be construed as somehow safe--or even safer than vaginal sex. Adult play requires us to act like adults--meaning that we assess and manage risk.

[GuyInMD79 1,500]

As one example, I have seen a doctor who specializes in HSV-2 research state that the risk of transmitting HSV-2 via oral sex is much lower than the risk of transmission during intercourse.

[EastInWest 1,524]

The CDC claims that there is "little to no risk" of spreading HIV through oral sex.

 

For reasons that should be obvious, while it's a relatively uncommon condition, that's still a showstopping, first-order concern that led a lot of people to condom use in the first place.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/oralsex.html

 

Mrs. EastInWest has never had a condom in her mouth, we certainly aren't looking to start now.

[Guest]

Kind of like, bulletproof vests only cover your heart area, not your head, brain, legs, etc. But, the police all wear them these days.

[PSULioness 857]

Being single and just newly in a real relationship, I of course grew up with all the warnings of AIDS and std. I knew of people with herpes and I think that was a big scare for me. Before going on birth control becoming pregnant was the main reason for condoms. I also grew up as oral sex was the safest way to have sex without becoming pregnant. I know it is a stupid comment. I have never given a blow job to a guy with a condom. In my friend talk I don't think any of the girls I knew did either. And I am not even sure what a dental dam is.

[Alura 2,774]

And I am not even sure what a dental dam is.

 

Yeah! What is a dental dam?

[two4youinswva 3,068]

[PSULioness 857]

Does it come with the clamps my dentist uses? Ouch. Is it a dam or a damn!

Am I supposed to carry this with me like a condom?

[two4youinswva 3,068]

PSULioness said:

Does it come with the clamps my dentist uses? Ouch. Is it a dam or a damn!

Am I supposed to carry this with me like a condom?

 

No clamps.

Yes, you carry them like condoms.

 

Here's some results for "Dental Dam" from Amazon to give you an idea of the product and packaging.

[PeterJ 950]

My wife tends to be mildly hypochondriacal, really to a subclinical degree. Early in our relationship, when we were having sex two or three times a day (would have been more frequently but we both had demanding jobs) she got a couple of bladder infections. She attributted them to my giving her head, and foreswore receiving oral.

 

I really like licking pussy, and I do get it from other partners. But I wanted to be able to do it with her, so we bought a box of dental dams. Hah! With it stretched over her pussy it felt like licking a balloon... And tasted like it too. And it didn't do anything for her. Definitely NOT recommended. :-)

[PSULioness 857]

If it's what the dentists used when I got a root canal, yuk. I think the balloon analogy is good. Sounds very clinical. Why not use plastic wrap and how does it stay in place. Is it worth doing oral with this? I'm trying to learn things on here and not being sarcastic. Sorry if my questions seem stupid.

[M1F2KTJ 473]

Hello all!!

 

However, while engaging in foreplay/oral sex the use of condoms and dental dams becomes carefree. If you're not worried about pregnancy, why use a condom at all?

 

I know my wife does not enjoy the taste of a condom but as she always says the only way someone is going inside of her is with a love glove :-)

 

Condoms prevent pregnancy. Condoms when used for oral is to prevent disease. But if you have to do that ... ? You might want to think about the kinds of people you are having sex with.

[cplnuswing 4,713]

Why not use plastic wrap and how does it stay in place. Is it worth doing oral with this? I'm trying to learn things on here and not being sarcastic.

 

In fact I have read where someone would say to use plastic wrap if a dental dam isn't available. To me, no, it absolutely would not be worth doing oral if this was involved. I really don't think it's all that common actually to start with. I guess the option is there for those who have that level of concern, but for me, I understand there is some level of risk in nearly everything I do in life, from sex to driving to the grocery store, and I'm ok with that. Things I deem too risky, then I just don't do them.

[PeterJ 950]

If it's what the dentists used when I got a root canal, yuk. I think the balloon analogy is good. Sounds very clinical. Why not use plastic wrap and how does it stay in place. Is it worth doing oral with this? I'm trying to learn things on here and not being sarcastic. Sorry if my questions seem stupid.

 

Yes, it's exactly what your dentist used for your root canal. And to my experience not all that much more pleasant. Well, okay, I exaggerate a bit. Root canals are painful and unpleasant. Licking a dental dam is just unpleasant.

 

Regarding Sarah wrap as an alternative, I recall that in the days when condoms were not so readily available to adolescents some kids would use a sheet of Saran Wrap as a makeshift condom. I don't think it would have been very satisfactory or effective. Perhaps using a rubber band abound the base of the boy's penis would keep the whole sheet from getting pushed into the girl's vagina? I don't know. Seems like it would be awful. On the other hand, it might be a better solution than what way too many kids did when I was young - just play calendar roulette. I was super lucky, but way too many of my classmates wound up in what were then called "shotgun marriages". Only a few of which turned out well, though I do know a handful of couples who married in their late teens and are still together more than 50 years later.

[J&Wu 408]

Fundamental Law said:

I'm not sure that there are data supporting an assertion that oral sex is intrinsically safer than other forms of sexual contact. While it is true that saliva contains digestive enzymes and the the stomach contains both acid and digestive enzymes, their activity against organisms that underlie STIs is hardly complete. Oral gonorrhea, for example, can be asymptomatic but no less infectious. More sinister is an significant uptick among men of various oral cancers that are caused by HPV. These cancers are, of course, slow to appear. As a consequence, oral sexual activity decades in the past may underlie the current epidemiology. There is strong logic in young men being vaccinated against HPV as well as young women.

 

Oral sex is fun. It's part of our repertoire and likely part of yours as well. However, oral sex should not be construed as somehow safe--or even safer than vaginal sex. Adult play requires us to act like adults--meaning that we assess and manage risk.

 

Good idea to be sure Hepatitis immunization up to date too. I have to say that there is nothing as tempting as a sweet juicy pussy, difficult to say no especially after she gives me good head!

[SW_PA_Couple 4,024]

One of my female playmates always puts a condom on me before she gives me oral sex. She has had plenty of practice and it is just as amazing as any oral sex. I have noticed that she uses her fingers at the place here the condom is rolled near the base of my penis to keep it stretched tightly.

 

Oh, one more thing. It is a cherry-flavored condom latex condom. Some women do not like the flavor of latex, even if is masked with cherry flavor. She apparently does not mind.

[Sisterbecky2019 16]

This is true. Herpes can also be transmitted to a person performing and receiving oral sex. OMG, Do you really wanna risk getting sores in your air way or throat? HPV? Throat cancer? Many times a carrier will have NO SYMPTOMS, but can still transmit the infection. I am new to swinging, and am very disheartened to learn that no one thinks about this, or even cares. I know that flavored lubes, and a Dental Dam (can be purchased online or at sex shops) is the safest way to go. Damn, I'd rather give up a little sensation than get Herpes in my genitals or throat!!!!