So... is EVERYONE bi? New study.

[Seanandem 48]

Despite this being a lifestyle forum, I’m sure some will disagree. And that’s fine. My intent is to shed new light on human sexuality, male and female. The results of this study seem to indicate that EVERYONE is bisexual, to some extent. Anyway, I thought people might be interested, so, here ya go.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/no-one-100-straight-aroused-12191338

 

Thoughts?

 

Sean and Em

[agreatguy 269]

Interesting and it may be accurate to a point but they were basing arousal on porn not actual physical contact. Just as some couples fantasize about swinging but could never bring themselves to take that step into reality this theory is based in the fantasy of porn not real contact. There is something arousing about most sexual acts between consenting adults but some of them I don't actually see myself participating in.

I get concerned whenever I see attempts at the degeneration of gender roles through theoretical concepts. We aren't all the same and I wish academia would stop trying to find ways to prove that we are.

[adamgunn 1,460]

So, yeah, the Kinsey institute pointed this out in 1948. There's the Kinsey scale, where most people are neither completely heterosexual or homosexual, but somewhere in the middle.

 

https://kinseyinstitute.org/research/publications/kinsey-scale.php

[couplers 4,649]

. We aren't all the same ..

 

I am.

[Seanandem 48]

So, yeah, the Kinsey institute pointed this out in 1948. There's the Kinsey scale, where most people are neither completely heterosexual or homosexual, but somewhere in the middle.

 

https://kinseyinstitute.org/research/publications/kinsey-scale.php

 

Well, my wife has come out as bi in the past year. And I did about 2 years ago. It’s long been my contention that everyone has the capacity for same sex activity in the right circumstances. I’m sure there are those who would say there is NEVER a circumstance where they’d consider same sex play. I do find it somewhat vindicating that everyone, seemingly, is at least somewhat aroused by fantasizing about it. Kinsey was a genius. Both the Mrs and I are right in the middle of the spectrum.

[Numex 2,420]

According to my wife, she has liked girls since discovering sex, like in junior high school. She wasn't out about it, but found similar girls and started licking pussy (and getting licked by girls) at the same age she started giving blow jobs. She was romantically involved with women in college.

 

I've done the bi thing only after we started swinging, with two different guys, both sides of oral and anal. Unlike sex with other women, nothing romantic at all in it, just sort of blow the load or take the cum and that's it. Can't say I'll never do it again, but it's at the bottom of my sex priorities.

[lovefest04 700]

I can say that I'm totally ok with having sex with men. Therefore, I'd define myself as bi. That said, I don't see myself in a "relationship" with another man. Maybe just because I'm happily married to a lovely woman. Maybe if I had experimented more as a youth, things would be different. In my case, I sorta followed the expectations, norms whatever. Go to school, play sports, be a man, go to college, date women etc. I wasn't until later in life that it occurred to me that I could veer off the path of others expectations. How freeing that was to learn. So, I'd happily participate bi-sexual play now, but suspect I wouldn't have at a younger age even if the opportunity presented itself. I'm also quite open to experimentation, so maybe the bi tendencies is just an extension of my willingness to experiment.

 

The little lady I share a life with claims to have no interest in women. Not interested in sex with them in any way. So, If I had a $100 to bet, I'd put it on "she's totally straight".

[pete c 34]

There was an article I saw somewhere about why men enjoy watching women be screwed. It said it was an evolutionary asset as a man that witnessed a potential mate being screwed would get aroused and perform better himself, increasing his odds of procreating.

 

I think this is a better explanation rather than “we’re all bi”

 

What it comes down to is we are all wired to be aroused by all things sexual. If we were all wired to be gay, I suspect there’d be more people actually taking part in it.

[GoldCoCouple 4,066]

If we were all wired to be gay, I suspect there’d be more people actually taking part in it.

 

If we were all wired to be gay, then mankind would have died off a long time ago

[Seanandem 48]

If we were all wired to be gay, then mankind would have died off a long time ago

 

Not gay. I believe everyone is inherently bi to some extent.

[couplers 4,649]

There was an article I saw somewhere about why men enjoy watching women be screwed. It said it was an evolutionary asset as a man that witnessed a potential mate being screwed would get aroused and perform better himself, increasing his odds of procreating. .

 

Nah, that's giving men too much credit ("odds of procreating"). When a guy sees a woman engaging in sexual activity, he's thinking that she's already aroused and maybe he can have some pleasure too. Because he won't necessarily wait for her pussy, he'll dump his seed in her mouth, her rectum, even outside on her. That's what has happened to me when I've been the only woman with more than one guy.

[agreatguy 269]

Nah, that's giving men too much credit ("odds of procreating"). When a guy sees a woman engaging in sexual activity, he's thinking that she's already aroused and maybe he can have some pleasure too. Because he won't necessarily wait for her pussy, he'll dump his seed in her mouth, her rectum, even outside on her. That's what has happened to me when I've been the only woman with more than one guy.

 

Oh, I think the arousal part being evolutionary has some merit.

 

Not being able to wait probably has nothing to do with evolution and much to do with seeing it done in porn. LMAO

[couplers 4,649]

Not being able to wait probably has nothing to do with evolution and much to do with seeing it done in porn. LMAO

 

So let me ask then - when you're in a swinging situation with one woman and another guy is in her pussy, do you go in another opening to satisfy yourself in the moment as in porn, or are you guided by evolutionary forces to wait for sloppy seconds to "increase your chances at reproductive success?"

[agreatguy 269]

So let me ask then - when you're in a swinging situation with one woman and another guy is in her pussy, do you go in another opening to satisfy yourself in the moment as in porn, or are you guided by evolutionary forces to wait for sloppy seconds to "increase your chances at reproductive success?"

 

I guess I don't think about it that way. I'm really more about what she wants at the time because I'm evolved beyond just wanting to procreate like most humans but I think that visual stimulation is still primordial.

 

What I'm saying about the evolutionary process is that it has merit. It makes sense. Why wouldn't it?

 

Evolution has caused our bodies to do many things we don't think about. For instance our blood is thicker in the morning. The hunters hunted in the morning because that was the most opportune time. The possibility of being injured or gored was therefore greatest in the morning. Men who survived a goring because their blood was a little thicker at that time passed that gene on to their offspring. Consequently men are now more likely to have a heart attack soon after rising in the morning than at any other part of the day. On the flip side of that, those men whose blood did not thin as the day progressed were likely not to live as long nor procreate as much. I don't feel my blood getting thicker or thinner, it just happens. It's primordial.

[Theron 19]

I believe most people are bisexual, but men are by and large not encouraged by society to act on it. I am openly bisexual

and as a man that has posed a problem with other bisexual men that are not out as bisexual, but pose as straight.

I will not date bi men in the closet because it goes against everything I believe in.

 

If you want to be with me, then it must be in the open, whether it's men or women. No one in my family or immediate circle cares and

that's how it will remain.

[couplers 4,649]

I've heard it said that all women are bisexual, unless you buy them something they don't get sexual. 

[ROCKlandCpl 452]

I have been told I was a repressed bisexual that has always wanted to act out but feared what others thought. Bisexuality and homosexuality has alway had a stigma attached that most to repress their true wants and feelings until very recently when almost every tv show, many commercials and many movies have characters that cross the gender line. Recently I found my sexual preference outside of my marriage has been geared to same sex fun. I looked forward to having alone time with a new female friend and when joining her and her husband for fun my attention was focused on her more than him. 

[Numex 2,420]

On 10/16/2018 at 2:39 PM, pete c said:

There was an article I saw somewhere about why men enjoy watching women be screwed. It said it was an evolutionary asset as a man that witnessed a potential mate being screwed would get aroused and perform better himself, increasing his odds of procreating.

 

On 10/18/2018 at 6:25 AM, couplers said:

Nah, that's giving men too much credit ("odds of procreating"). When a guy sees a woman engaging in sexual activity, he's thinking that she's already aroused and maybe he can have some pleasure too.

Now that we here have the male side figured out, what explains female homosexuaity or bi-ness?

[AndrewandAnn 360]

On 9/26/2018 at 1:15 PM, Seanandem said:

Despite this being a lifestyle forum, I’m sure some will disagree. And that’s fine. My intent is to shed new light on human sexuality, male and female. The results of this study seem to indicate that EVERYONE is bisexual, to some extent. Anyway, I thought people might be interested, so, here ya go.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/no-one-100-straight-aroused-12191338

 

Thoughts?

 

Sean and Em

Thoughts...? Lol... Did you read the study? Caveat emptor. Buyer beware. This is junk science.

 

The authors attempt to make a 1:1 correlation between pupil dilation and sexual excitement. This is preposterous. Pupil dilation does indicate excitement. But, it does not necessarily indicate sexual excitement.

 

Watch a scary movie, and your pupils will dilate. Watch an exciting action movie, and your pupils will dilate. Watch a sad movie with a tragic ending, and your pupils will dilate. Whenever we get angry, our pupils dilate. Whenever we are startled, our pupils dilate. Pupil dilation by itself is NOT an indication of sexual excitement or arousal.

 

In contrast to this junk science, Masters and Johnson correctly measured sexual excitement and arousal where it counts--in the sex organs themselves and by observing actual sexual behavior.

 

Lastly, this study attempts to say we are all bisexual to at least some degree. This is demonstrably false. If we were all walking around feeling bisexual, common sense would say human sexual behavior would reflect that. That is not what human behavior says. The objective observation of human sexual behavior--meaning the way we actually have sex--indicates humans are overwhelmingly heterosexual. Bisexual human behavior is, in contrast, rare, which indicates bisexual sexual arousal is likewise rare.

 

 

[EastInWest 1,524]

3 minutes ago, AndrewandAnn said:

Thoughts...? Lol... Did you read the study? Caveat emptor. Buyer beware. This is junk science.

 

The authors attempt to make a 1:1 correlation between pupil dilation and sexual excitement. This is preposterous. Pupil dilation does indicate excitement. But, it does not necessarily indicate sexual excitement.

 

Watch a scary movie, and your pupils will dilate. Watch an exciting action movie, and your pupils will dilate. Watch a sad movie with a tragic ending, and your pupils will dilate. Whenever we get angry, our pupils dilate. Whenever we are startled, our pupils dilate. Pupil dilation by itself is NOT an indication of sexual excitement or arousal.

This is adjacent to something I deal with professionally, and you're correct.

 

It's actually incredibly difficult to tell if someone is under psychological stress from physiological measurements, because the way your body reacts to very good news is often indistinguishable from very bad news.

 

House on fire? Intense stress.

 

Winning the lottery? Intense stress.

[AndrewandAnn 360]

On 9/29/2018 at 10:14 AM, Numex said:

According to my wife, she has liked girls since discovering sex, like in junior high school. She wasn't out about it, but found similar girls and started licking pussy (and getting licked by girls) at the same age she started giving blow jobs. She was romantically involved with women in college.

 

One note:

 

As adolescents exploring our newly discovered sexuality, it is common for such experimentation to begin with members of the same sex, for the simple fact members of the same sex are usually the most accessible. It is not necessarily an indication of lifelong homosexuality or bisexuality.

[AndrewandAnn 360]

4 minutes ago, EastInWest said:

This is adjacent to something I deal with professionally, and you're correct.

 

It's actually incredibly difficult to tell if someone is under psychological stress from physiological measurements, because the way your body reacts to very good news is often indistinguishable from very bad news.

 

House on fire? Intense stress.

 

Winning the lottery? Intense stress.

Precisely.

 

The real tragedy? This came out of Cornell University. There are young people who think this trash is real science. And they are the people who eventually will be running our research labs, hospitals, and governmental health agencies in the future. Scary stuff. 

 

Unfortunately, I believe we have entered an era where the pressure to satisfy and conform to certain social agendas has bled over into the realm of what should be reserved for the purely objective. The result is trash science masquerading as objective science.

 

Anyway, early this morning I was startled to discover a lizard had taken up residence in one of my water shoes. My pupils dilated, so now it's confirmed. I want to suck lizard dicks.

[EastInWest 1,524]

3 minutes ago, AndrewandAnn said:

Anyway, early this morning I was startled to discover a lizard had taken up residence in one of my water shoes. My pupils dilated, so now it's confirmed. I want to suck lizard dicks.

 

Actually, the difficulty of measuring positive vs. negative reactions made me think of the New York Magazine quote after Nelson Rockefeller died at age 70, banging his 25-year-old secretary:

 

He thought he was coming. Turned out, he was actually going.

[AndrewandAnn 360]

On 12/9/2018 at 7:06 AM, Theron said:

I believe most people are bisexual, but men are by and large not encouraged by society to act on it. I am openly bisexual

and as a man that has posed a problem with other bisexual men that are not out as bisexual, but pose as straight.

I will not date bi men in the closet because it goes against everything I believe in.

 

 

A remarkable claim.

 

Can you cite any anecdotal evidence in your daily interaction with men that would lead you to believe most of them are bisexual?

 

Serious question, I'm not being flippant.

 

 

[PeterJ 950]

2 hours ago, EastInWest said:

 

Actually, the difficulty of measuring positive vs. negative reactions made me think of the New York Magazine quote after Nelson Rockefeller died at age 70, banging his 25-year-old secretary:

 

He thought he was coming. Turned out, he was actually going.

And Rockefeller departed for the pearly gates in women’s clothing. (I was at the time dating a woman who knew the woman who was with Rockefeller when he expired.)

[AndrewandAnn 360]

On 9/27/2018 at 10:00 AM, adamgunn said:

So, yeah, the Kinsey institute pointed this out in 1948. There's the Kinsey scale, where most people are neither completely heterosexual or homosexual, but somewhere in the middle.

 

https://kinseyinstitute.org/research/publications/kinsey-scale.php

Kinsey's 1948 study, and its conclusions, have been thoroughly reviewed over the decades. Both the methods, and conclusions, have been determined to be highly questionable, if not outright bogus, by many in the medical community.

 

One large scale study conducted by researchers at Washington State University, and published in 2015 in the journal Psychological Science, concluded exactly the opposite: Human sexuality does not exist on a spectrum but rather is best described as a complex multiple choice. The study examined responses from 33,000 participants and the lead author concluded the following:

 

"The results demonstrate that sexual orientation is not a matter of degree, but rather distinct and meaningful categories."

 

Does some fluidity among sexual orientation exist? Yes, but the incidence is quite small. According to the study, less than 5% of heterosexual women, and only 2% of heterosexual men, said they have some level of sexual attraction to members of their same sex.

 

Also, they found that men who reported having only "some level of sexual attraction to other men" were far more likely to identify as bisexual rather than heterosexual.

 

The study's authors concluded by saying these findings show the dividing line between straight, and non-straight sexual orientation, is more well defined for men than it is women, but it is definitely still present for both.

 

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797615598617

[enhancer 1,585]

The answer to the question is no not everyone is bi!  I know and have always known my sexual orientation and I am not at all even a little bit interested in any sexual activity with another man.  Not one thing about men including their penis gets me aroused.  Saying that nothing at all bothers me about people that have different sexual orientations then I do.  Does not affect me at all everyone should be who they really are.  However I do get annoyed by people that are bi and think they need to justify it by treating straight people like they are wrong.  Sometimes it sucks being a middle aged straight white male in today’s world.  Your just always wrong about everything I guess.

[Numex 2,420]

On 8/29/2022 at 7:31 AM, AndrewandAnn said:

One note:

 

As adolescents exploring our newly discovered sexuality, it is common for such experimentation to begin with members of the same sex, for the simple fact members of the same sex are usually the most accessible.

My wife says that an attractive teenage girl has no problem accessing members of the opposite sex of her choosing.  Daniela said that all she had to do was put a guys hand under her shirt and he was hers.  From what I see, it still works.  She said that in her days before contraceptives it was almost all oral sex, but she learned to get herself fingered and licked before giving a blow job.

On 8/29/2022 at 7:31 AM, AndrewandAnn said:

It is not necessarily an indication of lifelong homosexuality or bisexuality.

Not necessarily, but in Daniela's case it was.  My wife has licked way more pussy than I have.

[Shore2Please 612]

I never thought I would do anything bi, was it a thing I suppressed? 
On the male side none of the men we play with have shown any bisexual inclination. 

[BiloxiBiMaleMMF 63]

THIS (discussing men beCUMMING or BEING a bit bisexual) is what makes Swingers Board so interesting!  Especially so, since this article first appeared in Spring 2018 as a "study" to promote a new book.

 

For "anecdotal evidence" allow me to offer the following observations.

#1  Ron White, a TEXAS comedian noted for his "liquor talk."  In one of his HBO shows, he made a very audacious claim that "every man is just a little bit gay" (and in the context of this arena, therefore a bit "bisexual").  His "evidence" was how those of us who watch porn are captivated bi what has beCUM known as the "money shot."  To wit, a Ron Jeremy type GREAT BIG COCK cumming on the threshold of a woman's pussy. 

#2  For those of us old enough to have had "Physical Education" as part of our HS experience, WE remember the "locker room."  We also really REMEMBER the showers!  Even tho I was quite small for my age (5' 6" @ 96#) till I sprouted to 6' in college, I was in sequence a varsity wrestler, varsity swimmer, varsity gymnast, varsity cheerleader (no kidding), and then varsity swimmer again.  Need I mention the "uniforms" worn in these sports?  I was also a "Boy Scout" and yes we went skinny dipping.  Most of us in the era at least "peeked" if not outright STARED at others in the nude.

#3  Back in Biloxi (before Covid), I was in the IP Spa's "wet areas" in the nude with 100's and 100's of other men over more than a decade as a frequent visitor.  After meeting a fellow military man in the nude (he was active duty, me retired) in the IP Sauna, I asked him about his legs being shaved in addition to his cock and balls being shaved.  So was his chest.  He explained to me that more often than not "SpecOps" was hot & sweaty work and that a SMOOTH BODY made it easier to "load shed sweat."  There IS a reason the term "Commando" means "not wearing nuthin."  From that forward, I shaved all over and quit wearing underwear.

 

Result?  No more "jock itch!"  And LOTS more "stares," "looks," smiles and winks.

 

IMHO, it's a "choice."  Whether its "innate" or not, I could care less.  I have CHOSEN to enJOy my smoothness and if someone else wants to enJOy it with me, then I might let them TOUCH and FEEL.  Likewise, IF someone wants to declare themselves "100% straight," then that's ok too.  I gave up "begging for sex" around the same time I started being totally nude.  "To thine own self be true."  BUTT I also stopped worrying about "what people might think if they saw me."  I'm NOT "nude on the streets of San Francisco" (public anywhere).  BUTT, I do enjoy going to places where it is permitted (Knotty Pines, Lake Edun, Haulover Beach, etc)

[patsfan5864 43]

Anyone who tries to convince me that I’m latently bisexual is engaging in serious rationalization and projection.

 

I (husband) am not bi in any way, shape, or form.

[Theron 19]

I really don't care for these studies and proclamations by straight men that they are 100% straight. 
Honestly?

 

No one cares!

 

Do you!

 

But the whole notion that only 10% of the world is homosexual/bisexual is absolute bullsh*t and 69 times out of 10, the ones crying about being 100% straight have some internal issues they need to come to grips with. 
 

I am not interested in any of those people either. 

 

Being a bisexual man does not diminish your 'manliness' and in actuality is the direct opposite. 

 

#IsaidWhatIsaid