Covid layoff affecting the lifestyle

[enhancer 1,586]

Our understanding is that you can still get and transmit the delta variant when you are fully vaccinated, but the chances of getting really sick from it are reduced by a lot when fully vaccinated.   So although we are by no means running out to parties and events we have been talking to a couple people that are interested in meeting us about possibly getting together in the near future.  
 

Unfortunately the case numbers here are increasing big time daily, because of the ridiculous amount of anti vaccine folks that are still here.  This means we will proceed with caution and will only consider meeting others who are on the let’s do our part to slow this thing down train.  If they are not fully vaccinated we will not be meeting them. That is our right as people like to say.

 

At this point anyone who wants the vaccine will have had easy access to it.  We don’t feel bad for the people that won’t get it and get really sick.  That is their problem.  We have done our part this whole time.

[EastInWest 1,524]

I have known two people who have still gotten fairly sick (just "severe flu" levels, not "I need to go to the hospital" levels) despite being vaccinated. It's no joke.

 

Ultimately, we're mostly returning to our normal lives - including this - but continuing to avoid crowded indoor situations. Best we can do. We anticipate the winter may bad bad again, but are hopeful for a plateau.

[Anon321 524]

We are young, fully vaccinated, and healthy so we feel pretty good and have gone back to an almost normal life which includes swinging.  I assume it will be different for everyone but right now we feel pretty good about it.  It is possible that the winter might slow it down or change it so that we're staying in a smaller group of close friends.

[MrandMrsAgf 14]

We haven’t started swinging yet, and it’s a hard time to do so with the delta variant and covid issues going on. We are fully vaccinated, but aren’t even sure where to start to find playmates with the current state of our home state. 

[Lionheart72 2,191]

We were hoping to be able to start exploring possibilities once things died down but with the delta variant, it's not happening. Like enhancer, we live in an area where the case count is climbing in the large unvaccinated population. Combine that with living in a largely rural area and I think I'm just doomed to not be able to watch my wife suck another man's dick anytime soon.

[discreetplay 235]

Sadly, I see Covid being a permanent thing in the world, like the flu. Some people get a flu shot annually to lessen their symptoms. The annual flu shot is a guess on which strain of flu the experts expect to be the dominant one that year. I see Covid being the same thing.  The annual flu killed many elderly and people with immune system issues. Covid strains will be the same.

 

So people have to decide whether they can live with the risk of catching Covid while swinging. 

 

I read all the time about people catching Delta even though they're vaccinated. I never read about people catching Delta after already having Covid. I'm really curious about the data on that. Also, those who had Covid and one shot, and Covid and two shots.

 

With all that babbling...I anticipate Covid strains to be a permanent fixture in the world.

 

 

[Thegreyarea 100]

Life is too short to let fear rule my life. We’re both vaccinated and healthy. Most of our circle of friends are vaccinated. To me, it’s all about calculated risks. There’s any number of things that could happen to me on a day to day basis. No one is guaranteed tomorrow. With that being said, it’s business as usual for us. 

[cplnluv1 874]

1 hour ago, Thegreyarea said:

Life is too short to let fear rule my life. We’re both vaccinated and healthy. Most of our circle of friends are vaccinated. To me, it’s all about calculated risks. There’s any number of things that could happen to me on a day to day basis. No one is guaranteed tomorrow. With that being said, it’s business as usual for us. 

https://www.wkyt.com/2021/08/26/watch-live-gov-beshear-holds-team-kentucky-update-covid-cases-continue-climb/
 

At least you’re vaccinated 

[Fundamental Law 2,903]

Like so many STIs and respiratory illnesses before COVID, SARS-CoV-2 (including all variants) will find a place in the risk calculus of intimacy. It's not just the LS--it's ordinary vanilla dating as well. Leaving STIs aside for the moment, it's not just dating: it's any "close quarters" setting. 

 

What we think will happen.

 

1. Just as expectations and behaviors surfaced around use of condoms to reduce STI risk, we think expectations and behaviors will show up around SARS-CoV-2.

2. Vaccination will be an expectation.

3. Recent testing (perhaps in a 48-72 hour window) will also become a "usual behavior", at least so long as such testing is free on demand, as it is now. 

4. No show based on "I don't feel quite well" will trigger appreciation versus the historical "just another flake" response. 

 

More clearly, "vaccinated and healthy" will become a minimum standard, and "getting tested" will become common behavior. 

 

Do you really care which variant your (potential) playmate might have? Would you feel better infected with beta than delta?

 

[Thegreyarea 100]

4 hours ago, cplnluv1 said:

https://www.wkyt.com/2021/08/26/watch-live-gov-beshear-holds-team-kentucky-update-covid-cases-continue-climb/
 

At least you’re vaccinated 

I’m fully aware of the numbers here. Like I previously said, life is too short to live scared. Chances are if I do get Covid it will be mild because I’m vaccinated. I missed too much in 2020 and I’m not doing a repeat. We’re all adults capable of making adult decisions. I take precautions where I see fit, but am otherwise living my life. 

[Lionheart72 2,191]

On 8/26/2021 at 9:29 PM, discreetplay said:

Sadly, I see Covid being a permanent thing in the world, like the flu.

 

COVID is here to stay, no doubt... but just like my racist cousin I don't have to make it welcome. And, just like my racist cousin, if enough people make it unwelcome we won't hear from it as often and eventually it will be an inconvenience rather than a danger. All it takes is some simple, common sense precautions.

[enhancer 1,586]

Well looks like we are going to be back on hold due to extremely high new numbers of Covid here!  Our province is ranked number two in Canada for new cases thanks in large part to the high number of anti vacciers we have here.  They say about 84 percent of the new cases are people that are not vaccinated.
 

Really getting tired of the safe people that don’t have their heads shoved up their ass having to put their lives on hold for those that seem to only care about their own rights.  New restrictions coming back daily again.  All surgeries have been put on hold for now, because of the burden on the health care system due to Covid.  This is getting old fast.

 

At least we were able to sneak in a new experience about a month ago after a long break away.  Sure would have been nice to carry on, but that doesn’t look promising anytime soon. 

[MrMrsswinger 205]

8 minutes ago, enhancer said:

Really getting tired of the safe people that don’t have their heads shoved up their ass having to put their lives on hold for those that seem to only care about their own rights.  

 

I don't understand. Vaccinated people catch the Delta variant just like the unvaccinated. The vaccinated tend to be asymptomatic when they catch it and thus go about their daily lives contagious without knowing. Blaming unvaccinated people when everyone who catches Delta spreads it isn't necessarily fair.

 

In many US cities the issue with the numbers in the hospitals is due to a nursing/staff shortage, not the number of people.

[lovefest04 701]

Don't even want to go down this path here. I urge people to do their own research. The media is a hype machine and a lot of what they are sharing doesn't jive with the actual data.

[enhancer 1,586]

7 minutes ago, MrMrsswinger said:

 

I don't understand. Vaccinated people catch the Delta variant just like the unvaccinated. The vaccinated tend to be asymptomatic when they catch it and thus go about their daily lives contagious without knowing. Blaming unvaccinated people when everyone who catches Delta spreads it isn't necessarily fair.

 

In many US cities the issue with the numbers in the hospitals is due to a nursing/staff shortage, not the number of people.

Yes vaccinated people catch the delta variant still!  The vaccinated people for the most part are not the ones getting sick and being hospitalized further putting a burden on the health care system.  Which then in turn has put all the people waiting for serious surgeries on hold due to the burden.  Due to the high number of people in the hospital sick with Covid ( mostly the unvaccinated) the government then puts more restrictions on everyone’s day to day life to try and curb it.  
 

People have the right to do whatever they want in regards to Covid!  Just like people have the right to decide if they want them in their business, house or social life.  If people don’t want to try to be part of the solution then we want no part of them.

[enhancer 1,586]

5 minutes ago, lovefest04 said:

Don't even want to go down this path here. I urge people to do their own research. The media is a hype machine and a lot of what they are sharing doesn't jive with the actual data.

We tend to believe what the three people working in nursing on the front line from our families tell us more then what the media or the conspiracy people have to say!

[Baconheads 437]

I'm not scared of dying and I don't really care

If it's peace you find in dying, then let the time be near...

[enhancer 1,586]

1 minute ago, Baconheads said:

I'm not scared of dying and I don't really care

If it's peace you find in dying, then let the time be near...

It isn’t fear of dying for either of us! We are very healthy.  It is the fear of being the ones who pass it on to the vulnerable people we love and them dying. It isn’t always about us. If it was I would not have bothered getting vaccinated.  Sometimes in life it has to be about others too.

[Lionheart72 2,191]

1 hour ago, MrMrsswinger said:

I don't understand. Vaccinated people catch the Delta variant just like the unvaccinated. The vaccinated tend to be asymptomatic when they catch it and thus go about their daily lives contagious without knowing. Blaming unvaccinated people when everyone who catches Delta spreads it isn't necessarily fair.

This statement is factually incorrect. While it is true that vaccinated people can catch and transmit the Delta variant, it is not known that they do so in the same numbers as unvaccinated people. What is known is that unvaccinated do catch and transmit the Delta variant and are significantly more likely to be hospitalized for it.

 

[Lionheart72 2,191]

24 minutes ago, Baconheads said:

I'm not scared of dying and I don't really care

You may not care if you die but I care that you'll likely hurt or kill a whole bunch of other people in process. That you obviously don't care about hurting or killing those other people tells me everything I need to know about you.

[Lionheart72 2,191]

One thing I realized, when I saw how many swingers smoked, was that ours is not a population that pays a whole lot of attention to health warnings (like the health warnings recommending against having anonymous sex with strangers in the world where AIDS is still a thing).

[Baconheads 437]

35 minutes ago, Lionheart72 said:

You may not care if you die but I care that you'll likely hurt or kill a whole bunch of other people in process. That you obviously don't care about hurting or killing those other people tells me everything I need to know about you.

Oh really.  I had the virus last November.  Most of the research suggests that natural immunity from getting the virus is superior to that given from the vaccine.

 

I work in a small health care office.  If anyone caught the virus from my office, the local health department would be on my butt like an orca on a harbor seal.

 

Covid survivors are 2-4 times more likely to have serious side effects, including death, than first time exposure people when getting the vaccine.  Nobody ever guaranteed me a single day on this earth.  Let me know where you got your warrantee.  Let me know the legal tenet that makes me responsible for your health and well being.  

 

I've been vax-shamed by the best, including my 87 year old mom.  My previous post merely repeated a song lyric that brings me comfort during all of this crap.

[Sophy 571]

We live in Auckland, New Zealand and we have been in lockdown for the last 6 weeks...

We both are fully vaccinated and most of our friends/family are fully vaccinated as well.

[Baconheads 437]

40 minutes ago, Sophy said:

We live in Auckland, New Zealand and we have been in lockdown for the last 6 weeks...

We both are fully vaccinated and most of our friends/family are fully vaccinated as well.

So if you're vaccinated, why are you under lockdown?

[lovefest04 701]

1 hour ago, Lionheart72 said:

You may not care if you die but I care that you'll likely hurt or kill a whole bunch of other people in process. That you obviously don't care about hurting or killing those other people tells me everything I need to know about you.

This statement is just plain wrong. Stop adding to the conversation that pits one person against another, it is totally unhelpful. Fear and misinformation are potent motivators otherwise you could never get approval to vaccinate children.

[Sophy 571]

7 minutes ago, Baconheads said:

So if you're vaccinated, why are you under lockdown?

many are not fully vaccinated yet, or refuse to vaccinate, and the bottom line is: New Zealand doesn't have enough ICU capacity

[discreetplay 235]

4 hours ago, MrMrsswinger said:

 

I don't understand. Vaccinated people catch the Delta variant just like the unvaccinated. The vaccinated tend to be asymptomatic when they catch it and thus go about their daily lives contagious without knowing. Blaming unvaccinated people when everyone who catches Delta spreads it isn't necessarily fair.

 

In many US cities the issue with the numbers in the hospitals is due to a nursing/staff shortage, not the number of people.

 

Can of worms......opened.

 

 

 

 

 

[njbm 2,901]

People rank 1-10 on this topic. 1s are unvaxxed and go wherever they want maskless. 
10s are vaccinated and isolated. Everyone has their own ideas on the pandemic. 
 

I do note that widely vaccinated countries like Portugal (85%);are close to wide open. 

[NWAtlSwing 526]

We are not hiding. We don't hide from the flu.

 

Life will go on. Risks are real.

 

We drive on 285. Greater risk of dying from a car crash.

 

We swing. We risk STDs with every encounter, because rubbers are not 100%

 

Life is risk. Every couple needs to take the risks that makes sense to them.

[TnA83 314]

On 10/6/2021 at 12:34 PM, MrMrsswinger said:

 

I don't understand. Vaccinated people catch the Delta variant just like the unvaccinated. The vaccinated tend to be asymptomatic when they catch it and thus go about their daily lives contagious without knowing. Blaming unvaccinated people when everyone who catches Delta spreads it isn't necessarily fair.

 

In many US cities the issue with the numbers in the hospitals is due to a nursing/staff shortage, not the number of people.

Now they're firing the nurses and doctors and other healthcare workers for not taking the experimental vaccine.

[TnA83 314]

On 10/6/2021 at 1:22 PM, Baconheads said:

I'm not scared of dying and I don't really care

If it's peace you find in dying, then let the time be near...

Laura Nyro/Blood Sweat and Tears.  Love them both.

[lovefest04 701]

Not me or my kids.

 

Just because we've been down this path doesn't make it okay. I don't ever remember being asked to prove my Polio or Flu vaccine status before getting on a plane, attending a conference, drinking  a beer in a local pub.....

[lovefest04 701]

Just now, lovefest04 said:

Not me or my kids.

 

Just because we've been down this path doesn't make it okay. I don't ever remember being asked to prove my Polio or Flu vaccine status before getting on a plane, attending a conference, drinking  a beer in a local pub.....

 

8 hours ago, lovtosuc said:

vaccines mandated?

 

you've already been vaccinated by mandates, many times

Chickenpox (varicella vaccine)

Diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (DTaP vaccine)

Flu (flu vaccine)

Measles, mumps and rubella (MMR vaccine)

Polio (IPV vaccine) 

and the list grows

 

that is of course if you went to school or served

 

[Lionheart72 2,191]

30 minutes ago, TnA83 said:

Now they're firing the nurses and doctors and other healthcare workers for not taking the experimental vaccine.

It's not experimental.

[enhancer 1,586]

23 minutes ago, Lionheart72 said:

It's not experimental.

No it is not.  It also does not alter your DNA as some like to claim it does.  As much as it would have been cool to get some mutant powers. The anti vacciers like to say do your research, but it is clear they don’t do it themselves. 

[njbm 2,901]

3 hours ago, lovefest04 said:

Not me or my kids.

 

Just because we've been down this path doesn't make it okay. I don't ever remember being asked to prove my Polio or Flu vaccine status before getting on a plane, attending a conference, drinking  a beer in a local pub.....

You had to prove you were vaccinated before you went to public school, if you did. No one checks because getting certain vaccines is universal. That’s why no one is walking around with polio or smallpox. 
 

 I honestly do not understand the hostility to a vaccine. To me, it is a miracle that it was discovered. 

[Lionheart72 2,191]

54 minutes ago, njbm said:

 I honestly do not understand the hostility to a vaccine. To me, it is a miracle that it was discovered. 

It's an interesting question. I've done a little reading on the subject and the psychology behind "vaccine hesitancy" is fascinating and complex. The vaccine hesitant include people from diverse, and often antagonistic social, economic, education and political backgrounds all around the world. There is a really a lot of issues at play, include distrust of real or imagined systems of authority, a wide variety of conspiracy theories, a general hesitancy to use any medical interventions or overall suspicion of modern medicine, even simple fear of needles is even considered a significant underlying factor.

 

It really is fascinating... in a "watching a car crash in slow motion" kind of way. Unfortunately, doing so from inside the car rather limits the entertainment value.

[kittyswinger 261]

9 hours ago, Lionheart72 said:

It's an interesting question. I've done a little reading on the subject and the psychology behind "vaccine hesitancy" is fascinating and complex. The vaccine hesitant include people from diverse, and often antagonistic social, economic, education and political backgrounds all around the world. There is a really a lot of issues at play, include distrust of real or imagined systems of authority, a wide variety of conspiracy theories, a general hesitancy to use any medical interventions or overall suspicion of modern medicine, even simple fear of needles is even considered a significant underlying factor.

Very true. Like myself, I don't even use artificial birth control because I don't like hormones or chemicals being ingested inside my body. I use organic products coz I avoid antibiotics or pesticides from food; I use holistic and natural remedies to remain healthy. How can an experimental vaccine be different? I do wear N95 masks when with people, to protect myself and others. Nothing really political or ideological about it.  Just a personal choice. I can't understand the hatred.

Edited October 8, 2021 by kittyswinger

[njbm 2,901]

The antipathy towards anti-vaxxers is because their behavior perpetuates the spread of the virus and increases the chance of dangerous mutations that cannot be controlled by vaccination. Your individual behavior has a negative effect on society as a whole. Some of us are tired of the pandemic and would appreciate a societal effort to end it. 
 

The Pfizer vaccine is not experimental. It is fully approved by the FDA. 
 

Kittyswinger avoids hormones, chemicals, antibiotics, etc.  But if you are an active swinger you expose yourself to STIs like HPV (unless you are vaccinated) and HSV, which cannot be effectively prevented with condoms. That doesn’t seem consistent. Antibiotics are bad, STIs are acceptable? Are they “natural?” 

[Lionheart72 2,191]

24 minutes ago, njbm said:

The Pfizer vaccine is not experimental. It is fully approved by the FDA. 

I want to amplify this point... these vaccine are not experimental. As with any medication, they have gone through multiple drug trails before being approved for use in the general population. To use to the word "experimental" is to repeat and reinforce propaganda deliberately targeting the vaccine hesitant's concerns about Western medicine and the pharmaceutical industry, Now, I won't argue that Western medicine is the end-all, be-all of health care or that the pharmaceutical industry is a great bunch of generous and philanthropic souls. A little healthy skepticism is good for body and soul, but there is a difference between a little healthy skepticism and paranoia.

[kittyswinger 261]

24 minutes ago, njbm said:

The antipathy towards anti-vaxxers is because their behavior perpetuates the spread of the virus and increases the chance of dangerous mutations that cannot be controlled by vaccination. Your individual behavior has a negative effect on society as a whole. Some of us are tired of the pandemic and would appreciate a societal effort to end it.

We can't generalize the behavior of one group towards the entire population of hesitants. It is infortunate that due to politics, both the vaccine issue and anti masking issue are muddled together. I've been using quality masks for 18 months, and was even exposed to positive people but I remained disease-free.

 

It is not a sterilizing vaccine so it can't end the pandemic. Both groups can still get infected and spread the virus.

 

If a better technology comes along, I'm sure many more will go onboard.

24 minutes ago, njbm said:

The Pfizer vaccine is not experimental. It is fully approved by the FDA.

Comirnaty is the one approved by the FDA. The version that most people got is not. It remains on EUA, per the FDA wording. They can approve everything but we all know it is for expediency to protect businesses, federal ofcs, and the military establishment from lawsuits.

 

24 minutes ago, njbm said:

Kittyswinger avoids hormones, chemicals, antibiotics, etc.  But if you are an active swinger you expose yourself to STIs like HPV (unless you are vaccinated) and HSV, which cannot be effectively prevented with condoms. That doesn’t seem consistent. Antibiotics are bad, STIs are acceptable? Are they “natural?” 

STI is never acceptable but our relationship and swinging behavior, sexual style or kinks, risk aversion, and methods for choosing a partner are something we can control depending on our personal values. Just like antibiotics, STI is avoidable from my experience.

Edited October 8, 2021 by kittyswinger

[NC_Seniors 519]

2 hours ago, kittyswinger said:

Comirnaty is the one approved by the FDA. The version that most people got is not.

I’m not gonna wade into the “vaccine or not” debate, but I *will* say that this statement is incorrect.  According to a chart on Statista (Number of COVID-19 vaccine doses administered in the United States as of October 5, 2021, by vaccine manufacturer), the numbers are 230M for Pfizer (Comirnaty), 152M for Moderna, and 15M for J&J.

[GoldCoCouple 4,068]

While I would love to comment, I can recognize a trap when I see one.

 

Why can't we just respect others opinions and all try to get along.

[njbm 2,901]

55 minutes ago, GoldCoCouple said:

While I would love to comment, I can recognize a trap when I see one.

 

Why can't we just respect others opinions and all try to get along.

I don’t see any disrespect. I see an exchange of different perspectives. I intend no disrespect. I just struggle to understand why people will not get vaccinated.  I can listen to arguments against vaccinating without being mean or attacking someone. To me, it is a simple cost benefit analysis. Others disagree. 
 

For those who are not vaccinated, will you now agree to personally pay for your medical treatment if you get infected? Should other insureds have to pay for your decision? Look at Idaho and Alaska. Their hospitals are swamped. 

[Lionheart72 2,191]

3 hours ago, GoldCoCouple said:

Why can't we just respect others opinions and all try to get along.

I have no problem with other people's opinions. I have a problem with people spreading misinformation and I have problem with attitudes and behaviors that cause harm to others.

[lovefest04 701]

7 hours ago, njbm said:

The antipathy towards anti-vaxxers is because their behavior perpetuates the spread of the virus and increases the chance of dangerous mutations that cannot be controlled by vaccination. Your individual behavior has a negative effect on society as a whole. Some of us are tired of the pandemic and would appreciate a societal effort to end it. 

That is simply not true. If anything the vaccines encourage mutations that are resistant to vaccines or drugs.

 

Ask a Dr. or Nurse about antibiotic resistance in hospitals.

 

And to say that doesn't respect the opinions or choices of others, It's judgemental.

 

Oh and I have advanced degree, went through public schools and didn't get vaccines.

[lovefest04 701]

Bottom line here is that no one is going to change the opinion of anyone else. So, we need to all respect the choices each make. Meaning no one can or should impose their own on another.

 

If you're vaccinated, then unvaccinated folks should pose no threat to you.

 

if you're still scared, then don't hang out with unvaccinated people.

 

as an unvaccinated person, I am totally comfortable hanging with vaccinated and unvaccinated. I will not force anyone to hang with me AND when invited to gatherings I always tell the host I am unvaccinated....even though I pose no additional threat to others.

[kittyswinger 261]

6 hours ago, NC_Seniors said:

I’m not gonna wade into the “vaccine or not” debate, but I *will* say that this statement is incorrect.  According to a chart on Statista (Number of COVID-19 vaccine doses administered in the United States as of October 5, 2021, by vaccine manufacturer), the numbers are 230M for Pfizer (Comirnaty), 152M for Moderna, and 15M for J&J.

It is not my intention to debate to vaccinate or not. It is my personal choice.  I was just citing myself as an example why hesitancy is a complex issue and we can't lump together all reasons as the same.

Edited October 8, 2021 by kittyswinger

[njbm 2,901]

2 hours ago, lovefest04 said:

Bottom line here is that no one is going to change the opinion of anyone else. So, we need to all respect the choices each make. Meaning no one can or should impose their own on another.

 

If you're vaccinated, then unvaccinated folks should pose no threat to you.

 

if you're still scared, then don't hang out with unvaccinated people.

 

as an unvaccinated person, I am totally comfortable hanging with vaccinated and unvaccinated. I will not force anyone to hang with me AND when invited to gatherings I always tell the host I am unvaccinated....even though I pose no additional threat to others.

Vaccinated people can contract the virus from vaccinated and unvaccinated people. I understand that the unvaccinated are more likely to transmit a higher viral load. So the unvaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated. The vaccinated are less likely to be hospitalized or die than the unvaccinated. It is not a sterilizing vaccine that totally prevents a vaccinated person from contracting corona virus. 
 

Many on this board know more than I. I know that it is not possible to convince the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. I am happy to be vaccinated. Heard a lot of deathbed conversions of people who wish they were vaccinated. Best to all. 

[TnA83 314]

On 10/8/2021 at 9:59 AM, njbm said:

I don’t see any disrespect. I see an exchange of different perspectives. I intend no disrespect. I just struggle to understand why people will not get vaccinated.  I can listen to arguments against vaccinating without being mean or attacking someone. To me, it is a simple cost benefit analysis. Others disagree. 
 

For those who are not vaccinated, will you now agree to personally pay for your medical treatment if you get infected? Should other insureds have to pay for your decision? Look at Idaho and Alaska. Their hospitals are swamped. 

I refuse the vaccinations for these reasons:

 

1.  I had covid last November and have have better immunity than the vax gives.

2.  The vaccine doesn't work.  Many studies confirm this.

3.  The vaccines are not safe.  725,000 adverse reactions reported to VAERS

4.  I don't have to take it.  The government doesn't have the constitutional power to require it.