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My wife and I have discussed swinging as well as threesomes. For all we agree and disagree I have several questions which anyone should feel free to chime in on. We are not new to each other (26+ years) and have been adventurous all these years. We both realize the strength the relationship must have in order to survive the introduction of more sexual partners.

 

My questions are...

 

1. We both agree that as a first experience, a threesome seems much more personal for all three as you are all physically involved with each other vs a true spouse swap to which you are now taken From each other and concentrate on a new partner. Are we even close in that thought?

 

2.In the event all four are involved at the same time, it’s more of an orgy then an actual swap?

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Gator, swinging is what you make of it; any particular encounter can be what the three or four or more of you want.

 

I see your point about the threesome. I've been in many an MFM with my wife. But in any configuration, there are moments where two people are enjoying each other and the third is only mildly involved, or simply watching. I have fun watching my wife with other men, but I wouldn't call it 'personal.'

 

In foursomes, again, it's what you choose it to be. Most of the time, yeah, it's usually two sets of one-on-one, but there are times when all four are together.

 

Now that I haven't really answered your question . . .

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We've been in a lot more foursomes than threesomes, and our threesomes are mostly really better described as a foursome with one taking a break.  But, do have some experience there. We've seen it both ways where all three are equally and actively involved, and also where it's mainly two with the third sort of just in an auxiliary role.  It's usually been more like the second example.

 

With a foursome, there are different ways of doing it, same room, separate room, two sets of one on one, all four involved in more of an orgy, and all shades of gray in between.  We've experienced all of those, and I don't know that one really felt any more or less "apart" than any other way. When we were new, we leaned more toward separate rooms. That's the opposite of most folks, but it's all about what you think will work best for you as a couple, and there's no right or wrong answers.

 

Your concern about the "taken from" feeling kind of makes me think that maybe separate room wouldn't be the best choice for you starting out.  Rather, same room with two sets of one on one would still give you some visual connection and also feel a little more comfortable since you are still in each others presence.  Then once you've got a little experience under your belt and are more comfortable that swinging can be something you are experiencing together even if physically not in the same room together, then if the separate rooms things is something you want to try, could always give it a shot then.  May like it, may not, it's all good, everyone has their own swinging style.

 

Honestly, our best swinging experiences were freeform and covered everything above in one evening as two couples just flowed from one thing to another depending on what each person's mood was at the time.  Orgy foursome to threesome to one on one in separate rooms to threesome to foursome one on one all on same bed and so on.  That takes couples who are familiar with each other, so probably not going to get one of those freeflowing marathon sessions right at the start with a couple, but it's definitely possible once you have spent some time together and everything has gelled.

 

Whatever you decide, wishing you the best of luck!  We're happy to have you here with us as members, and hope you'll stick around as a permanent part of the community.

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Personally I like the club membership with group party situation. Couples, singles, men, women, trans persons, straight, bisexual; variety is the spice of life and a great way to expand one's horizons.

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Certainly not for everyone, but we started with my wife becoming reacquainted with an ex who she told me she really enjoyed as a sex partner.  (Talking about our previous sex partners was part of our love life that turned us both on.)  She met up with him, later we three went to dinner, the third time they met up for sex and he knew that it was with my encouragement and approval.

 

It was comfortable for them because they had been lovers in the past and knew it would be good.  It was comfortable for me because they were exes, no new ground being plowed, so to speak.  Consider it.  BTW, sex for us was unbelievably intense afterwards for at least a week. 

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19 hours ago, Gator2360 said:

In the event all four are involved at the same time, it’s more of an orgy then an actual swap.?

This is a question that will change each time you meet a couple. With four of you together you can watch or be involved and watching can lead to pairing off. Do you want to watch her with a man or with a couple. You can always join in. I will tell you that finding a woman, a unicorn, is not that easy. 

Talk talk talk. Decide what both of you want. 

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As already pointed out, it is whatever you want to make it be. You set the rules and boundaries. At the same time, it also depends on certain things. A MFM threesome (one woman, two men) is rather easy to arrange, but tends to be less intimate since it's rather easy to find another man who wants to have sex. However a FMF or FFM (two women and one man) is much more intimate since finding another woman to join is MUCH harder (they are called 'unicorns' due to their rarity). As for two couples, there is the choice of 'same room' and 'different room' swapping. In 'same room' you aren't having your partner 'taken from each other' but usually you are able to share them with another while you watch/participate/enjoy/share another. Also a very intimate event. In the end, it, once again, is what you decide to make of it. It's like saying 'it's blue' without knowing what shade is being referred to...light, dark, medium, sky, etc. The options are endless (but it's much more fun than just looking at something that is blue and can be any shade you both decide upon).

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On 10/20/2020 at 12:20 PM, Gator2360 said:

the introduction of more sexual partners.

 

On 10/21/2020 at 6:50 AM, Numex said:

we started with my wife becoming reacquainted with an ex who she told me she really enjoyed as a sex partner.

The approach of letting your wife decide on how to start would certainly send the right message to your wife that she is in control and you will make it fulfilling for her.  It's all about her comfort, so ask her (without trying to tip the scales) what experience she finds most comfortable.  It may be a same room or separate room couples swap, an MFM with you participating or maybe just being there, or maybe even an FFM if she has some Lesbian desires.  You need to not only let her decide which arrangement she prefers, but also choose the person/people involved.

 

Hubby let me be non-monogamous on my terms with no expectation of reciprocity.  I appreciated it tremendously, but it took me two years before I wanted him to play.  He was/is a very wise man - it work out well, including for him.  ?

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For what it's worth, our first attempts were "same-room" swap, first soft, then full swap.

 

I don't think that in either case we felt like it was impersonal, but it was also far from an "orgy" situation, and we knew the other couple reasonably well. When we've done one-off MFM, it's never been with a third we knew well, it's often a casual pickup situation. The type of chemistry with the other people will determine more about the vibe, I think, then the configuration of bodies.

 

It's relatively rare for Mrs. E to excitedly want to include a stranger, but when she's game, I want to take advantage of it. She tends to have much more fun with people she knows well, which can make finding new partners a challenge but also was a big deal to getting her comfortable enough to explore. As others have said, let her give you the signals about what she wants to think about and talk about further. She may want you to take the lead on being confident and showing her that her ideas are OK if she has some difficulty with the taboo, but her comfort level is what's going to make it a success.

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On 10/25/2020 at 3:12 PM, EastInWest said:

For what it's worth, our first attempts were "same-room" swap, first soft, then full swap.

 

Us too, for what it is worth we enjoyed watching and being watched in a club situation for starters.

 

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My partner and I have tried to have a threesome, but the best we have been able to do is from a webcam ?. Physically with another person, we have not dared. I am afraid that not taking the step, as it is more on my part, will bring problems to my relationship. But I don't know if I'm ready to do it. When we do it in front of a webcam I feel jealous. Please help!

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couplesws, Not knowing is normal and OK

Being afraid of anything is also normal, but NOT OK in LS situations.

 

Until you are both personally very sure that you will not be doing damage, I'd say wait and ponder some more. It can take a while for both members of a couple to be confident first time out.

 

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I recommend the option of going to a club, watching and being watched for a first experience. 

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Couplesws,

 

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I am afraid that not taking the step, as it is more on my part, will bring problems to my relationship.

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When we do it in front of a webcam I feel jealous.

 

You're not ready to move forward. If you are afraid of taking the next step and feel that if you don't your relationship is in trouble, then your relationship is ALREADY in trouble. The same goes for the jealousy. When you have a solid, secure, trusting relationship, then these things aren't a problem. There are a few HARD RULES for success in swinging (IOHO). One is never moving faster than the slowest person is comfortable with. If I thought my partner was uncomfortable with how things were going, I would NEVER make him/her go forward with anything. They are more important than swinging (or anything for that mater) is. I would not risk the relationship for anything. This includes being told that they didn't want to swing anymore. We would stop NOW. What we have done has been great, and I would miss the fun and friendships, but it isn't more important than our relationship (I would miss that SO MUCH MORE if it ended).

 

You should never feel compelled to do something that you aren't completely comfortable with. If you are, but your body or something inside your mind or heart is telling you not to do it, there is a reason and you really should listen to that reason. When you have enough love/trust/ and communication with your partner, jealousy seems to fade into the distance. If this isn't the case, it's that little thing telling you that you are not ready. Work on increasing the love/trust/communication before thinking about going any further and if you really think that by not moving forward with them will 'bring problems', the problems are already there and the relationship isn't as strong as it needs to be to move forward (but you probably already know thins). Good luck and let us know how things go.

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8 hours ago, couplesws said:

My partner and I have tried to have a threesome, but the best we have been able to do is from a webcam ?. Physically with another person, we have not dared. I am afraid that not taking the step, as it is more on my part, will bring problems to my relationship. But I don't know if I'm ready to do it. When we do it in front of a webcam I feel jealous. Please help!

 

Yikes, if you feel jealous when you have sex in front of a webcam you should not move forward with swinging.  Doing so would be a complete disaster for your relationship.

 

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8 hours ago, couplesws said:

My partner and I have tried to have a threesome, but the best we have been able to do is from a webcam ?. Physically with another person, we have not dared. I am afraid that not taking the step, as it is more on my part, will bring problems to my relationship. But I don't know if I'm ready to do it. When we do it in front of a webcam I feel jealous. Please help!

If either of you has the slightest doubt, you are not ready...... yet. Nervousness is fine. But apprehensiveness about the effect on your relationship is NOT. IMO you guys need to do more research and most importantly, talk not pillow talk, but sitting at the kitchen table kind of talking. Swinging will do one of 2 things either make your relationship stronger....or burn it to the ground.  

 

Your fantasies are about the last thing a couple discusses. And you both have to be ready to bare it all (no pun intended) you need to be able to examine your feeling's about sex and your relationship. 

 

At this point I can see 5 things happening 4 of which are bad. You might also discuss if you are the types that jump in with both feet into the deep end. Or do like to test the waters first.

 

For us jealousy is never been a problem. We want a swinging experience to be the most mind blowing sex ever. It's no fun if it's "just the same as home" 

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1. We both agree that as a first experience, a threesome seems much more personal for all three as you are all physically involved with each other vs a true spouse swap to which you are now taken From each other and concentrate on a new partner. Are we even close in that thought?

2. In the event all four are involved at the same time, it’s more of an orgy then an actual swap.?

 - As someone else said, each experience is what you make it. We've been in foursomes where the couples mainly just swapped. Same room, separate beds. I found it dull. We really aren't in this just to have sex with someone else. That's fun but honestly, the condom really makes sex less enjoyable for me. I prefer receiving oral, giving oral, watching my wife, etc. I'm more interested in pleasing the other female and making sure my wife gets all the pleasure she wants. We've been in foursomes where it started with all attention was on one woman....she blew both guys while the other wife was giving her oral. Then both wives were blowing one husband while the other took a break for a drink. When he re-joined he started doing his wife from behind while they continued to blow the other husband. The husband pulled out, put on a condom and started doing the other wife, she continued to blow her husband and the other wife sat on his face.  

 

Everyone was involved. Everyone just rotated around. The foursome is great because it allows for someone to step out and grab a drink, some water, etc while the other three continue. When they return to the action they join however they want. There are times where a threesome can be awkward. Example, in a MFM, one male hops up for some water. The other male gets on top of the woman. The male who went for water can't figure out how to get back in and just kinda stands around. In a FMF, the same can happen....the male ends up focused on the other woman...she's new, different, and the wife gets frustrated. I would not recommend a three some unless (1) you don't mind watching another male laying on top of your wife while you're out or (2) you don't mind watching your husband doing the same to another woman while you're trying to figure out how to join.

 

I'd go foursome. Everything can be discussed beforehand. We went for a light dinner, talked about what we were all thinking. We discussed how we were looking for an 'all involved' night. Yes, there was some just couples action but that was mainly because I enjoyed watching my wife with the other wife alone and the other husband alone. 

 

 

 

 

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At Idahocouple6969:

That's our view as well. Our sex at home is fantastic. The reason we add another couple, couples, woman/man, etc is because we can't do certain things by ourselves. Yes, a toy is ok to try to emulate a threesome but adding a real life c&&^ is significantly different. Watching my wife giving iral to another female while getting done from behind isn't possible when it is just the two of us. Adding someone else brings a different dynamic to our sex. It is about enjoying the pleasure of this added dynamic. It isn't about feelings, it is about pleasure.

 

Jealousy is a horrific thing in a relationship. If there is an inkling of it, adding people would blow the whole relationship up.

 

 

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My first thought is during a threesum there are going to be times where two people are having sex and the third person is not really being engaged with by anyone on an emotional or physical level.  Because of this they can start to feel like a third wheel.  Whereas in a swap everyone is focusing on their new partner.  I've seen more couples have jealousy issues in threesums vs full swaps.  Just a thought.

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On 11/12/2020 at 5:42 AM, couplesws said:

... I feel jealous. Please help!

I was that way for two years, hubby let me have a boyfriend but he was monogamous with me.  Eventually, I found that it wasn't the jealousy, it was having a sense of control.  I set hubby up with my girlfriend who said she found him attractive.  The control was that she was someone who I chose; I didn't ask him, I told him to do it.  I was jealous as hell, "What am I doing?"  But after they did it, I was hooked (still am) and couldn't wait for them to do it again, and for me to find another girl.  Parse your fears and feeling carefully, it may not be what you think.

 

On 12/22/2020 at 7:31 AM, Evan38 said:

At first, my wife and I were afraid to have sex with other couples, but in the end it benefited our relationship.

What we did in bringing others into our relationship has led to our poly family and made us all very happy.

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On 11/12/2020 at 4:39 PM, discreetplay said:

 

 

Jealousy is a horrific thing in a relationship. 

 

 

True. And it is well to remember the fear that lies at the root of jealousy, namely the fear of abandonment. Every happy LS couple has somehow come to the understanding/realization/acceptance that play is play, and that their partner will not walk away from their shared life. It takes substantial work--and greater respect--within the marriage to get to that point. You don't have to be in the LS to aspire to that level of trust. But if you are going to be in the LS and happy there, you do need to build and maintain that trust, every day. 

 

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On 12/24/2020 at 7:19 PM, Fundamental Law said:

the fear that lies at the root of jealousy, namely the fear of abandonment.

That may or may not be true, but what I found with two women joining our family of what started out as me and two guys, is that Clair and Lora are just as much my lovers and partners in life (especially since we have had children) as hubby and Red are.  I feel more secure now.  (I still get jealous though, as much over the women as the guys, but I crave the feeling.) 

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My husband and I agree that starting out with a threesome would be more personable allowing all three individuals to be involved together.  We love watching each other for a bit but always join in and make sure everyone is involved.
 

Although everyone has their own preference of how a foursome should take place, we feel it should involve all four individuals as well. The main factor my husband and I look for is the enjoyment of being able to be involved with each other, watch what each other is doing with other individuals and not be separated and simply focusing our attention on the other couples spouse. We would not get near the same enjoyment or pleasure out of it or what we’re looking for if it were just a simple spouse swap.  Swinging to us is all about seeing each other give and get pleasure from others and to others.  When we play with other couples we always make sure to have some involvement with each other while enjoying seeing each other playing with the opposing spouse.

 

basically, everyone involved with each other with only one exception and that is no m/m play as my husband is straight.  If my husband chooses to step back and watch me with another couple before he joins back in, then that is done by his choice and not because he feels he is being pushed out.  I’m playing with another couple and Three separate on the other couples spouse couples spouse, it doesn’t allow us to share the enjoyment each other with each other of what is taking place. Swinging to us is all about watching each other enjoying each other and being a part of whatever experience one of us is having.

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I think  Flea-Swing99 hit the nail on the head.  Swinging is about everyone involved.  I personally have a really hard time understanding couples who tell us the woman plays but not the man.  When we sense there is any kind of jealousy or control with another couple, we avoid them at all costs.  We often hear women say that are not ready to see their husband with another woman but she plays freely with other men.  How can a man not feel left out?  

 

I think until both parties are ready to share the experience together, then they are not really ready at all.  Just my opinion...

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On 12/22/2020 at 11:01 AM, JessicaJamison said:

My first thought is during a threesum there are going to be times where two people are having sex and the third person is not really being engaged with by anyone on an emotional or physical level.  Because of this they can start to feel like a third wheel.  Whereas in a swap everyone is focusing on their new partner.  I've seen more couples have jealousy issues in threesums vs full swaps.  Just a thought.

You make some very good points. I'd like to add:

 

Yes, a M-F-M threesome is far easier to arrange as single men looking for NSA sex are easy enough to find. However, that also comes with some risks that you probably wouldn't have with an attached male. Once, we had a single male who, after a few play dates with us, grew quite enamored with Ann and started to ignore the established boundaries until I chased him off. We learned an uncomfortable lesson about the potential downsides of incorporating singles into our sex life. Because of that experience, we have largely played with attached couples only.

 

Regarding feeling like a third wheel... I think that's an important point, too. Not everybody is comfortable watching his/her spouse/SO/partner having sex with some one else and it can be easy to feel left out. Personally, I *enjoy* watching my wife have sex with another man and am more than comfortable seeing her to go at it with him while I enjoy the show. Then, when the time is right,  I join in. In other words, for us, it doesn't necessarily mean everyone has to be having sex simultaneously. It ebbs and flows. Sometimes it begins with one, or both, girls giving a little solo show to get things started off. Every scene is different; every experience is different.

 

 

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1 hour ago, samandtammi said:

 I personally have a really hard time understanding couples who tell us the woman plays but not the man.

I agree with you 100%.  But interesting that's how we started because at the time, neither of us thought of it as "this is how we're going to be swingers."  We often talked about the sex we had with past partners because it is a turn on for both of us. I proposed that if she wanted, Daniela have sex with one of her favorites.  She did and she did.  It wasn't a permanent decision, just a starting point.  

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2 hours ago, samandtammi said:

I think  Flea-Swing99 hit the nail on the head.  Swinging is about everyone involved.  I personally have a really hard time understanding couples who tell us the woman plays but not the man.  When we sense there is any kind of jealousy or control with another couple, we avoid them at all costs.  We often hear women say that are not ready to see their husband with another woman but she plays freely with other men.  How can a man not feel left out?  

 

I think until both parties are ready to share the experience together, then they are not really ready at all.  Just my opinion...

One thing I've learned is that both ice cream and people come in different flavors. 

 

If a couple is happy with the woman being a hotwife and the man sitting out, I'm not going to judge them. (If they're not happy, of course, it's a recipe for disaster, just like cheating is.)

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5 hours ago, samandtammi said:

"... but she plays freely with other men.  How can a man not feel left out?"

 

 

He doesn't feel left out. That's a misinterpretation of things.

 

In the "hot wife" scenario, the husband gets as much spark out of it as she does, even though he's not actually having sex right then. The fact that she is having sex with another man is what turns him on.

 

I know, it's a head scratcher. But, that's why Baskin Robbins sells 31 flavors ?

 

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16 hours ago, Lionheart72 said:

 

I agree that both parties should share the experience together... but what the means can vary from couple to couple.

Or even for a couple on different occasions.  Sometimes it is hotter for me when my wife comes home from playing alone and telling me about it, even though she's had sex with him or her or them in my presence numerous times before.  Then we really go at it.  

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To be honest with you guys, making my own porn videos is my dream, actually. I was an enormous porn and sex cam fan. I was spending a lot of time on video chat platforms, and I dreamed of making my own porn video for a lot of time. But all my girlfriends with whom I was dating were against my idea. So girls, if someone is looking for an exciting relationship and is also down with the idea of making our own porn video, feel free to text me. I will be glad to chat with you. I am waiting for your message.

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      You find a few candidates. You mail to the reference number on the photo c/o the magazine forwarding service, enclose your Polaroids....and wait.  You buy an answering machine...and wait.  You check your messages for two weeks...and wait.  You wait and you masturbate to the thoughts of what you want to happen.  The answer doesn't come by phone, but by mail.  The couple writes and expresses interest.  Apparently your cock pick wasn't all that mediocre, or it's your young flesh she desires more than the cervix pounding from the other bullish candidates.  
       
      They send photos. Colored ones. Kodachrome.
       
      They give you a phone number. A city two hours away. They are a better than average couple.  No heavy weights. He is bi, she is straight. Your are 24.  They are 33 and 35.  You haven't tried bisexuality before, but your heart is racing now, anticipating something new, something erotic...your first threesome.
       
      You call the number. The wife answers and you give them the phony last name that you made up on the letter, and they give you the phony last name that they made up.  It's part of the game.   You banter nervously. They ask questions. You ask questions.  "What do you enjoy?"  "Do you like anal?"  "Do you like cum in your mouth?"  It doesn't matter.  If they said that they were going to cut your throat afterward, you would still go.  You are hooked. You set up a weekend meet at a motel at their location. King-size bed. Hard to explain to the motel clerk why you are asking for a king-size bed.  They don't ask. They've seen it all.
       
      The husband picks you up at the motel. Nice guy. Personable. Not his first rodeo. He drives you to their place, which is a surprise, but you are so nervous that you don't remember the address or how to get there. You go in. You meet the wife and son. She doesn't disappoint.  She is a looker. The teenage son is off to a friend's place and you are just someone going to a party with his parents. He doesn't know that you will be soon fucking his mother.  After the son leaves, they show you photos of their past swinging adventures.  If you had doubts, then now you are sure that this isn't their first rodeo.  Your cock or your mind. Both are about to explode.
       
      They follow you back to the hotel room that you rented.  Locked door, "Do not Disturb" sign.
       
      She kisses her husband and it starts. The disrobing. You are nervous. What to do first. Follow their lead and try not to appear overbearing or demanding.  She's on the bed, and he dives into a mouthful of vaginal bliss. You nervously start kissing her, massaging her breast, kissing her nipples.  Then you get on your knees and present your mediocre cock for her to devour.  She doesn't hesitate.  She has your cock buried down her throat while the husband buries his tongue in her bush.  The husband comes up for air, and moves to her breast, teasing.  You move to the holy of holies.  You lick, suck, and drink in the juices, probing with deep tongue thrusts, tasting the walls of her vaginal cavity while she is licking the husband's cock. Your member is not much different than his. You are relieved.  
       
      The position changes. She lays on her side. He enters her vagina from the rear, leaving her clitoris exposed. She discussed this with you on the phone.  Licking her while her husband fucks.  You go down and start to lick that clitoris, less than a inch from the pounding cock. You remember that he is bi. He wants this. You hesitantly reach up, and start to cradle his jewels, all the time her juices mingles with the fleshy taste of cock.  You can't bring yourself to put his cock in your mouth, so you go on licking the clit and fondling the balls until he grunts and fills her with cum.  He withdraws. You switch position.  His cum lubricates her vagina.  There is nothing sloppy about these seconds. You pound her while he licks and returns the favor of cradling your balls.  He doesn't suck you off, not sure if you will be offended. It doesn't matter he says. They just love fucking.  
       
      You release your semen into her, and you all relax, sitting and talking while a double load of cum streams from her pussy. You regret what the hotel maids will have to clean up. She pees. Returns. The ritual starts again. This time the cunnilingus is mixed with unfamiliar flavors. His cum. Your cum.  You don't give a fuck.  The thrill of the three-way has over ridden any social mores that you were raised with.
       
      More sex. More bi touching. This time you pull out and shoot your cum over her.  With that baptism, the holy rites have been completed. There are photos and kisses given. Promises of future sex.
       
      This was your first threesome.
    • By C3po
      This all started around forty years ago when my wife Beth and I had dated for a few years then married. It wasn't long after we married that I introduced her to her first big realistic porn star dildo.  When she first saw it she laughed and said, "That'll never fit in my pussy, are you nuts?!" But she agreed to trying and found not only did it fit but she really enjoyed it. She was amazed by how much she enjoyed it.  So much so that she requested I use it on her quite a lot. She also discovered she enjoyed big cock porn, she was fascinated by it. Soon was I combining using a huge dildo on her at the same time she watched big cock porn, this led her to experience huge orgasms. She couldn't get enough. She was finally exploring her sexuality and expanding her outlook on sexual pleasure.
       
      One night after some really hot sex I  questioned her if she ever fantasized about fucking other men, especially well-hung men. She responded that of course she did, stated that most women had this fantasy, and she believed it was quite common. So I pursued it further and asked her if she wanted to try another man's cock and how much did she really desire to do it? She said that it sounded exciting and fun but she would never do anything to endanger our marriage. I said,  "What if I told you that I wanted to watch you have sex with another man, one that had a really big cock. Would you then consider it?" She laughed and said she'd be game if it was something I was serious about and really wanted her to do. She said, "Come on, let's be real. It's exciting and fun to imagine it, but to really do it? Please! That's a major game changer."
       
      So I said, "I'm very serious. I've watched the way you enjoy the dildos especially while watching big cock videos. It turns me on big time seeing how excited you get and how many times you climax from doing these two things at the same time. I want to watch you do it for real. No BS, just watching you getting slammed by a big cock would be a huge turn-on for me. So what do you really think now that you know that I'm serious and am giving you this opportunity?"
       
      I could see her giving it some serious thought, she didn't get mad or upset at me or the idea, no resistance whatsoever to my request.  The more she considered the idea the more it appeared to me that she was very intrigued with the idea and it excited her.
       
      She started asking all kinds of questions, like wouldn't I be jealous, or think the worst of her, or what if she really enjoyed it and wanted more or didn't feel comfortable screwing another man, then what? Were there any rules and what were the consequences? Was I absolutely sure that I really wanted her to do this, because once done there was no going back!
       
      After she finished asking everything she had concerns about I answered all her questions and we talked about the rules/boundaries we would have in place to keep it fun and exciting without any reservations or guilt. This was to make sure she fully understood my concerns and alleviate all of hers as well. It seemed she came to a decision at which point she smiled and enthusiastically said yes, she'd do it! Did I have someone special in mind she wondered? She said she had to agree to my choices for her sexual escapades or it wasn't gonna happen.
       
       I then informed her I was thinking of Bruce. Beth squealed with glee, she admitted she has had fantasies about Bruce for some time now and I couldn't have picked a better choice for her first time. She would absolutely love to fuck Bruce. She said she was getting wet thinking about sex with him.
       
      A few days later I met up with Bruce for an after work drink. As we enjoyed several drinks we talked a lot. Soon I steered the conversation towards my wife Beth. I asked  Bruce to be honest and tell me what he thought about Beth. He admitted he thought Beth was smokin' hot. She had a killer body and was just gorgeous, always was friendly, and liked flirting with him when they were together. I asked him if he' ever had the chance would he consider having sex with her? He looked a bit concerned by my question but answered yes, he wouldn't hesitate to take advantage of such an opportunity. So I told him that Beth really wanted to have sex with him, and that I was okay with them hooking up. I explained that was my kink watching her get fucked by other men, it really turned me on. Bruce considered it for several minutes then said okay sure, he'd love to fuck Beth. Just give him the details when we're ready to make it happen.
       
      When I got home I told Beth about my conversation with Bruce and what he said. She looked startled and said she couldn't believe I did that. So I asked her if what I did was so wrong and did she still want to go through with it? She excitedly said Oh hell yes she did, and no I wasn't wrong! So we made plans and set a date for Beth's first cock. 
       
      The night arrived finding Beth both excited and hot with anticipation. She was dressed to kill showing off her sexy body wearing no underwear. When Bruce knocked on the door I answered it and escorted him into our house. Beth entered the living room and gave Bruce a big hug pressing her chest and pelvis into him and then kissed him on the lips. Bruce kissed her back and he sat down pulling her on to his lap. Nether one of them wasted any time, tongues going everywhere, hands exploring and groping each other, clothes coming off. Soon they were both naked and Beth got a pleasant surprise, Bruce was very well hung. She giggled with delight.
       
      Beth took Bruce's hand and led him to our bed. She pushed him down on the bed and went to work on Bruce's big cock giving him an enthusiastic blow job. After a while Bruce flipped Beth on her back and went to work on her pussy and clit. Beth orgasmed in minutes, fully enjoying Bruce's skilled tongue. I stood in the background watching the show.
       
      Soon Bruce moved into position between Beth's legs. As he rubbed his cock against Beth's open pussy and clit she responded with loud moans and started pressing her pussy against Bruce's cock. As he slid his huge cock into Beth's pussy she had a big climax. As he went deeper he increased his speed and Beth climaxed again. She was enthralled with his big cock pumping her pussy, she was moving her hips and swearing, telling him his cock felt so good. She looked over at me and said she loved how good his big cock felt inside her. She told Bruce to stretch her pussy good, to fuck her hard. She was in sexual ecstasy, a place she'd never been before. Her facial expressions showed pure bliss and the sounds she was making were hot as hell. I never seen her so turned on, she must of had a dozen orgasms, many of which were huge.
       
      They fucked each other hard for a good twenty minutes then Bruce erupted into Beth's pussy, filling her with his cum. This gave Beth another climax. Afterwards he laid on Beth for a minute then rolled off her. He'd destroyed her pussy, it gaped open with his cum dripping out of her. They kissed and he got up to dress while Beth laid there spent. She looked at me and smiled big time. She said, "Your turn!", so I took sloppy seconds and enjoyed it beyond belief. Bruce watched us have sex then commented that watching real sex was so much hotter than any porno ever could be. He understood my enjoyment of watching my wife fuck other men. He said he'd like to do it again and Beth was all for it. So they made plans to hook up again. Then Bruce left.
       
      Beth and I talked about how well things went, and how she wasn't prepared for how much she enjoyed his big cock. It was mind boggling! She thanked me profusely for asking her to do this, the opportunity to experience such awesome sex. She says she'll never be the same again and is looking forward to more big cock sex. So our new lifestyle began.
    • By Interestme82
      Hi out there. I’m married and in an evolving relationship. Last year I did a burlesque photo shoot for him as a gift. He loved the way it turned out but asked if I’d be willing to do something more risqué in the future. I got a reference from the original photographer (female) and told my husband the new photographer would be a male. Being the protective husband he is we both requested a meeting over a cup of coffee. We met which was great and made things all the more comfortable. I loved what I saw from his book and my husband did as well. 
       
      We had the shoot and the pictures came out great. He got really turned on by knowing another guy was doing the pictures. I was shocked. I asked him if he’d consider doing a couples shoot with me and he said he’d try but was reluctant. Pretty soon after he agreed and we were off again.
       
      Prior to the shoot my husband and the photographer talked about his career. My husband, who’s faithful, shocked me a bit with his envy and open talk about what the photographer experienced. I’m extremely open and joined in the conversation. Both of us felt like we were conversing with someone we really liked and knew a lot longer than we actually did. Unfortunately my husband had difficulties getting hard which is completely out of the ordinary. The photographer said it happened a lot and just to relax. 
       
      Surprisingly at my husband's request he asked for me to do a POV shoot the photographer showed us in his book. Basically it’s the photographer including himself in various ways while taking the pictures. As we started taking the pictures I liked being touched by the photographer even though it wasn’t active foreplay or sex. It really was strictly for the pictures themselves. During the pictures my husband quickly got hard and watched. Eventually the photographer asked him if he was going to get involved. The rest of the shoot went as we planned. Afterwards we all sat around and talked and went through the pictures.
       
      Some time passed again and we talked a lot about the fun we had with it. My husband admitted he liked watching the photographer touch me and if not for that he may have been to nervous to get hard. 

      I really want this to develop further but I’m apprehensive because it’s a major change in life obviously. I’m also not sure about how I feel about seeing him with someone else. When I say I’m not sure I mean most likely not. I don’t even really think he wants to. I almost feel like if I bring that up it will be too much too fast. Multiple times when having sex we’ve dirty talked about me doing another shoot and giving myself up. I’d feel more comfortable to actually do it than talk about it. 
       
      I feel like my husband has opened a door that I want to walk into. Am I reading it wrong? Is it best for me to just set something else up and let it work itself the way it will? Based on our interactions I have no doubt the photographer would be into it also. Would I be going to far given our relationship if I reached out to the him and told him how I feel, how my husband feels, and confirm he’d say yes? 
       
       
    • By Falcon88
      My wife and I have been together for almost 25 years. Through out the years sex has been fantastic. No complaints on either side. We are very faithful and never cheated on each other.
       
      Then one day two years ago we were having a few drinks and watching porn. We watch all kinds of porn. That night we were watching some really good gangbangs. Curiously, I turn to my wife and asked her if she ever thought about swinging and group sex. If it ever crossed her mind. Surprisingly, she looked at me and said she’s been thinking about it for while. So we ended up talking about swinging and group sex for hours. We got online and read stories on experiences about swinging and group sex. The pros and cons. It turned me on taking about it but at the same time I got a crazy feeling in my stomach. Nerves I guess.
       
      So to make a very long story short we ended up having an open marriage and took up swinging. We both decided to have (safe) sex with other people until we felt comfortable on having our first group sex. All this took very long planning and preparing, especially mentally.
       
      Finally last November we planned out her first group sex. We carefully selected three familiar friends to join in the fun. Of course they decided to do it and agreed on our rules.
       
      So, it finally happened that November night. I really enjoyed watching my wife get screwed by more than one man. She had the time of her life. She had multiple orgasms one after another. The crazy feeling never left my stomach but I really enjoyed watching though. After the guys left we kicked back and talked about our experience. Then we go back about agreeing on what we’re doing and never to do it without the other knowing. We keep an oath of trust. Every time we have a date with someone we let each other know. It’s always planned out days in advance so it will never interfere with our personal lives. We have a great understanding.
       
      Since last November she’s been involved in several group sex averaging 3-4 guys each time. Of course I joined in most of the time. Lots of lube is needed. But now she wants to go a little further. She wants to do a gangbang of 6-8 guys. Seriously.
       
      Lately she’s been playing with large toys to get her vagina ready. She wants to try double-vaginal penetration. I’ve been preparing her by inserting a dildo in her while I’m inside. Very carefully with lots of lube. We practice every time we have sex. She even carefully inserts a large thick toy in her vagina while watching a movie and keeps it in there. Yes, our sexual curiosities has increased tremendously. My wife wants to explore even more and I’m all in.
       
      Well the day we both have been looking forward too occurred this past weekend. We managed to round up 7 guys for an all night gangbang. It involved a lot of planning and phone calls. We’ve noticed that guys will be all in at first then drop out later. But eventually we got things going. That night when everyone arrived she was kinda nervous but excited to have that many cocks at once. Most of all, she finally had double penetration in her vagina from two guys for the first time. The strange thing I seemed more nervous than her. Lol But she absolutely enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed watching her. She came hard many times. She doesn’t like anal so that wasn’t attempted.
       
      So after joining in all the fun and after almost two hours of great sex we had the grand finale. My sexy wife knelt down and we all gave her an awesome bukkake. Her face was drenched with cum. It was one heck of a hot night. After everyone left we took a long shower and stayed up almost all night talking about it. We were both so turned on that we were already making plans for the next one. But we are gonna take a break for about three weeks. It’s just going to be me and her for now.
       
      Yesterday she mentioned about having a messy cum sex in the near future after watching a great creampie movie. I was like, a messy cum sex? She asked me what I would think about her having a messy gooey bukkake and creampie night. Having about 4 guys cum all over her face while 4 guys cum inside her. Then rubbing the cum all over her breasts. Man, just listening to her drove me crazy. My wife was willing to be explosive. But that would take lots of planning because we are very cautious. My wife cannot get pregnant anymore so that’s really something we don’t have to worry about. It’s about the unprotected sex. We do know many cool friends well enough that we can trust but still we must remain careful. Yet, I’m sure it’s gonna happen very soon.
       
      I’ve been asked if we have taken it too far. If there’s actually any sign of regrets. Some close friends wonder about my wife wanting too much now. Our answer is no because we enjoy it and have a deep understanding and trust. We are responsible adults and are having fun. We first talk about what we’re going to do and have to both agree 100%. Any sign of doubt from either side we will not do it. We are friends with our sex partners but no feelings are involved or ever shared. We have proven that to ourselves already.
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