Do your swing partners have to be vaccinated?

[njbm 2,880]

What is your standard for swinging? Do new partners have to be vaccinated? Tested? Nothing? 
if vaccinated, do you want to see their card or take their word for it?

[hunterdonNJcpl 1,391]

We are one of those rare bareback couples.  We do the whole std panel with new playmates so have always asked for and provided paperwork.  The covid vaccine is just another piece of paperwork.

[njbm 2,880]

49 minutes ago, hunterdonNJcpl said:

We are one of those rare bareback couples.  We do the whole std panel with new playmates so have always asked for and provided paperwork.  The covid vaccine is just another piece of paperwork.

Do you ask for HPV and HSV results? What if their tests preceded other swinging episodes? I realize nothing is foolproof, even condoms. 

[hunterdonNJcpl 1,391]

26 minutes ago, njbm said:

Do you ask for HPV and HSV results? What if their tests preceded other swinging episodes? I realize nothing is foolproof, even condoms. 

The panel we get includes exactly:
Chlamydia
Gonorrhea
Hepatitis B
Hepatitis C
Herpes
HIV Antibody
HIV Early Detection

HPV
Syphilis

 

[njbm 2,880]

Good panel. A lot of people miss HPV and herpes testing. I think these are the most likely, but often overlooked. 

[adamgunn 1,460]

We've both been vaccinated. I'm not absolutely sure that if we met someone who really turned us on that we'd require that they be vaccinated - after all, it's their health that would be compromised, not ours.

 

But we'd appreciate them a bit better if they were; it would show they're taking their health and ours a little more seriously.

[David Lovell 160]

My wife and our swinger couple  friends, which includes her favorite lover, are all fully vaccinated. I get my first vaccination on Monday. Looking forward to getting back to the real thing when we are all four vaccinated. Recently my wife has been using hall passes with her favorite lover and I just get sloppy seconds when she gets home.

It's amazing how her pussy keeps his jizz warm and waiting for me, warm smooth easy entry and great feeling as I dump a second load inside her. 

 

Edited April 3, 2021 by David Lovell
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[NoAngels 334]

We are now both fully vaccinated, I feel more open to play and would prefer any partner to be vaccination. 
My wife has played more than I have, her partners live closer to us and my okay has been centered on my business travel which has been very limited this year. 
My wife’s play has been mainly with married men she finds on a site catering to married people. Over this crazy year she has found out Two men she had met died from COVID-19. Both were healthy as far as she knew. 

[Fundamental Law 2,885]

1 hour ago, NoAngels said:

 Over this crazy year she has found out Two men she had met died from COVID-19. Both were healthy as far as she knew. 

Unfortunately, many seemingly healthy people have succumbed to COVID. The importance of vaccination cannot be overstated. 

[NWAtlSwing 522]

He got his 2nd shot Tuesday and spent 24 hours with a 101 fever (breaks with Tylenol). Bleh. She has had shot one.

 

We have played with non-vaxxed so far and been fine, but we hope everyone get there.

[alicenaraa 3]

Good topic! I think we need to be vaccinated. Protect ourselves.

[MidwestHoneys 359]

Honey is getting crazy after we were with another partner who is a little younger than us. We were talking vaccines and she said vaccines can fuck you up if you want kids and also mess up your birthcontrol. 

[adamgunn 1,460]

4 hours ago, MidwestHoneys said:

Honey is getting crazy after we were with another partner who is a little younger than us. We were talking vaccines and she said vaccines can fuck you up if you want kids and also mess up your birthcontrol. 

I'd like to see scientific confirmation of this . . .

[PeterJ 954]

7 hours ago, MidwestHoneys said:

Honey is getting crazy after we were with another partner who is a little younger than us. We were talking vaccines and she said vaccines can fuck you up if you want kids and also mess up your birthcontrol. 

There’s lots to worry about in this world, but this isn’t one of them. I suggest you check with your primary care providers, and perhaps also Honey’s Ob Gyn, if this is a factor that would prevent you from being vaccinated.

[Fundamental Law 2,885]

8 hours ago, MidwestHoneys said:

Honey is getting crazy after we were with another partner who is a little younger than us. We were talking vaccines and she said vaccines can fuck you up if you want kids and also mess up your birthcontrol. 

No.

COVID vaccines do not cause infertility. COVID vaccines do not cause impotence. COVID vaccines do not interfere with contraception (birth control). 

 

https://www.statnews.com/2021/03/25/infertility-myth-covid-19-vaccines-pregnancy/

 

 

[lovefest04 700]

On 4/2/2021 at 3:15 PM, adamgunn said:

But we'd appreciate them a bit better if they were; it would show they're taking their health and ours a little more seriously.

Adamgunn - I find your posts to be really thoughtful and useful. I appreciate you and your posts. However, this post makes a lot of assumptions about someone who doesn't vaccinate, me included. I take my health very seriously and would put this 58 year old body and health against anyone on this board.

 

I can see why someone who is vaccinated would want all others to be as well, since the virus is not being killed off, the vaccine just reduces the level of sickness, meaning vaccinated people can and do still get COVID. I prefer to let my system fight all viruses on its own. I also don't do a flu shot, same reason. I am aware of the risks, and it's probably our genetic makeup as well as our overall health that determines the net effect of COVID so what might happen to me if I contract COVID is up in the air.

 

I would like to point out to everyone, that we really don't know the long term effects of these vaccines. The time and level of testing is simply not adequate to understand the implications of them. Time is necessary to better understand any and all implications of drugs/vaccines/food/toxins/etc etc. As we move forward as a society we are ingesting a greater and greater number of chemicals (vaccines) every year. There has to be some implications. So, I choose to wait and see.

 

One example, cigarettes were considered absolutely safe back in the day. Dr's told us as much in commercials. It took many many years for the negative affects to be understood and many many more to get the widely publicized.

 

I am fine and support anyone that wants to be vaccinated, but I won't do so myself. I think that's my right. If that means I can't play with certain couples, I'm okay with that, so no judgement of those that require vaccines of their play partners.

[njbm 2,880]

Without the covid vaccines, I expect that tens of millions of people would die worldwide. 
 

Having friends some of whom  have been hospitalized and some of whom have long term deficits, the cost benefit analysis of the covid vaccine is clear to me when I compare the highly transmissible disease to speculative future side effects. 
 

Everyone has their own hot buttons. I can’t wait ten years to take the vaccine to find out if there are side effects. I may not survive covid now. 

Edited April 9, 2021 by njbm

[adamgunn 1,460]

Lovefest, you're certainly allowed to have your own opinion. However I, and the vast majority of scientists, disagree with you on this.

 

You point to cigarettes, and say that they were considered 'safe'. We now know we were lied to. 

[njbm 2,880]

4 hours ago, lovefest04 said:

Adamgunn - I find your posts to be really thoughtful and useful. I appreciate you and your posts. However, this post makes a lot of assumptions about someone who doesn't vaccinate, me included. I take my health very seriously and would put this 58 year old body and health against anyone on this board.

 

I can see why someone who is vaccinated would want all others to be as well, since the virus is not being killed off, the vaccine just reduces the level of sickness, meaning vaccinated people can and do still get COVID. I prefer to let my system fight all viruses on its own. I also don't do a flu shot, same reason. I am aware of the risks, and it's probably our genetic makeup as well as our overall health that determines the net effect of COVID so what might happen to me if I contract COVID is up in the air.

 

I would like to point out to everyone, that we really don't know the long term effects of these vaccines. The time and level of testing is simply not adequate to understand the implications of them. Time is necessary to better understand any and all implications of drugs/vaccines/food/toxins/etc etc. As we move forward as a society we are ingesting a greater and greater number of chemicals (vaccines) every year. There has to be some implications. So, I choose to wait and see.

 

One example, cigarettes were considered absolutely safe back in the day. Dr's told us as much in commercials. It took many many years for the negative affects to be understood and many many more to get the widely publicized.

 

I am fine and support anyone that wants to be vaccinated, but I won't do so myself. I think that's my right. If that means I can't play with certain couples, I'm okay with that, so no judgement of those that require vaccines of their play partners.

Are you vaccinated for measles, mumps and polio? Have you had any side effects?

[MidwestHoneys 359]

15 hours ago, Fundamental Law said:

No.

COVID vaccines do not cause infertility. COVID vaccines do not cause impotence. COVID vaccines do not interfere with contraception (birth control). 

 

https://www.statnews.com/2021/03/25/infertility-myth-covid-19-vaccines-pregnancy/

 

 

U cant believe what some people say. It’s crazy in the world and then they get things in their heads. We were watching MacGyver  and they breathed in tracking devices and some people think that tracking devices are in the vaccine. I know it’s dumb it’s what some people say. I played a trick on her. After all of the sex I told her I had trackers I accidentally drank and I shot it in her. My cum has hundreds of trackers and because she came her body is full of them as her orgasm grabbed onto the trackers. 
People believe all types of crap ? 

[MidwestHoneys 359]

17 hours ago, PeterJ said:

There’s lots to worry about in this world, but this isn’t one of them. I suggest you check with your primary care providers, and perhaps also Honey’s Ob Gyn, if this is a factor that would prevent you from being vaccinated.

Not worried. We read and hear so many stupid things. I figure our parents had us vaccinated years ago and one more won’t hurt. 

[MidwestHoneys 359]

20 hours ago, adamgunn said:

I'd like to see scientific confirmation of this . . .

Science? I heard Dr Q on Tucker Carlson, that makes it fact. 

[AndrewandAnn 360]

17 hours ago, lovefest04 said:

Adamgunn - I find your posts to be really thoughtful and useful. I appreciate you and your posts. However, this post makes a lot of assumptions about someone who doesn't vaccinate, me included. I take my health very seriously and would put this 58 year old body and health against anyone on this board.

 

I can see why someone who is vaccinated would want all others to be as well, since the virus is not being killed off, the vaccine just reduces the level of sickness, meaning vaccinated people can and do still get COVID. I prefer to let my system fight all viruses on its own. I also don't do a flu shot, same reason. I am aware of the risks, and it's probably our genetic makeup as well as our overall health that determines the net effect of COVID so what might happen to me if I contract COVID is up in the air.

 

I would like to point out to everyone, that we really don't know the long term effects of these vaccines. The time and level of testing is simply not adequate to understand the implications of them. Time is necessary to better understand any and all implications of drugs/vaccines/food/toxins/etc etc. As we move forward as a society we are ingesting a greater and greater number of chemicals (vaccines) every year. There has to be some implications. So, I choose to wait and see.

 

One example, cigarettes were considered absolutely safe back in the day. Dr's told us as much in commercials. It took many many years for the negative affects to be understood and many many more to get the widely publicized.

 

I am fine and support anyone that wants to be vaccinated, but I won't do so myself. I think that's my right. If that means I can't play with certain couples, I'm okay with that, so no judgement of those that require vaccines of their play partners.

A great deal to unpack here.

 

Allow me to begin by saying I respect and defend your choice to not be vaccinated at this time. Also, I appreciate you pushing back on the notion that people who choose not to get the vaccine are somehow "less serious" about their health than those who do. And I am sensitive your feelings around this subject.

 

However, being entirely fair, you also make some assumptions about the vaccine that need some additional commentary. I'm writing this is good faith and not to be combative or argumentative at all:

 

The idea that this vaccine was produced too quickly for scientists to have adequate data to determine its safety is something that can be objectively challenged. The study of the family of COVID viruses goes back all the way to the 1930s. The development of COVID vaccines started nearly 20 years ago to combat the outbreak of two very deadly COVID variants, SARS and MERS. Scientists had fully developed these vaccines, and they were ready for large-scale human testing, but were determined to be unnecessary due to the steep decline of the incidence of these two diseases. The salient point being that there is little that is actually "new" regarding the current COVID-19 vaccine. Scientists have an extremely high level of objective evidence that allows them to conclude it is safe for the general population. Of course, negative reactions are possible, but quite rare.

 

As far as the issue of a "lack of time to study the effects", this is half-true and half-false. The COVID-19 vaccine is an mRNA vaccine, a type that has been used and studied in people for many years in response to diseases including HIV, ZIKA, rabies, etc. Yes, COVID-19 is a new use for this kind of vaccine. But the mechanism (aka how the vaccine works in the body) is the same.

 

Also, respectfully, one cannot attempt to compare smoking cigarettes in the 1950s to taking a vaccine in 2021. It is difficult to describe how far science has advanced in the last 70 or so years. Not to mention the tobacco industry, intent on protecting its own economic interests, was behind the so-called "science" that promoted smoking as healthy choice. Medical professionals in the US had linked smoking to health problems as far back as the late 1700s. By the 1920s, medical doctors had definitively linked smoking to lung cancer. The tobacco lobby had the money and influence to squash the science for several more decades, but the truth eventually emerged.

 

Your body is entirely made up of chemicals. Chemicals are introduced into your body every time you take a breath, drink a beverage, eat a bite of food, shampoo your hair, soap up your body in the shower, dab on some lipstick or makeup, put on a skin moisturizer, go for a swim, ride your bike, or take a walk in the sunshine. The vaccine introduces a protein to our body that stimulates our own natural defenses (aka our immune system) to recognize the interloper and build up an adequate defense against it. True, your immune system may be able to combat this virus on its own. Or, it may not. The vaccine simply gives our bodies a running head start against it.

 

Finally, as we age, our ability to ward off infections and diseases eventually declines. It's simple medical fact. Diet and exercise more or less help to slow down the aging process on certain levels, but it cannot be avoided. In spite of all of our health and medical advancements, the "oldest" people alive are all dead by the eleventh or twelfth decade of life. We haven't moved that needle at all.

 

Wishing you continued good health and a happy Sunday :-)

 

 

[shy_couple 459]

I don’t want to get in the middle of the debate immediately above but wanted to weigh in. 
 

it’s pretty unlikely that we’ll jump back into any lifestyle activities until masks are off and things have settled more stable.

 

Most probably we’ll want to make sure playmates are vaccinated. Many good arguments in the thread on both sides BUT pretty unlikely that we will be a match with the unvaccinated crowd on a social, political, or philosophical level and therefore probably would not be comfortable on a sexual level either.

[AndrewandAnn 360]

11 hours ago, shy_couple said:

I don’t want to get in the middle of the debate immediately above but wanted to weigh in. 
 

it’s pretty unlikely that we’ll jump back into any lifestyle activities until masks are off and things have settled more stable.

 

Most probably we’ll want to make sure playmates are vaccinated. Many good arguments in the thread on both sides BUT pretty unlikely that we will be a match with the unvaccinated crowd on a social, political, or philosophical level and therefore probably would not be comfortable on a sexual level either.

 

 

If you are referring to my post, please recognize I was not engaging in "debate". I was simply offering some additional facts and perspective. Nobody is "right" or "wrong" on this issue and I respect everyone's right to make their own decisions about what goes into their bodies, and what doesn't.  If you weren't referring to my post, please disregard.

 

Also, concerning your comments about not being a "match" with the unvaccinated "crowd", I think you may want to consider that we are at one point on a long-term time continuum. Because someone is not comfortable with being vaccinated today, doesn't mean they won't be comfortable being vaccinated tomorrow. This is a quickly evolving situation. We should try to be understanding of someone's perspective and treat them as individuals. In other words, we probably don't want to lump everyone who has some lingering doubts about the vaccine into a single group. 

 

Lastly, from a purely medical perspective, I strongly agree with the idea that it will be safer to play in a circle with people who are vaccinated--and, by the way, not just against COVID-19. Sharing multiple sex partners places us at increased risk for contracting a number of serious diseases, some far more insidious than a coronavirus.

[njbm 2,880]

We would not play with people who are unvaccinated. I suspect that a large number of lifestylers agree. 
 

As someone who contracted a serious upper respiratory infection from a swinging encounter a few years ago, I can tell you that swapping spit is a very effective means of transmission for a virus. 

[shy_couple 459]

4 hours ago, AndrewandAnn said:

I respect everyone's right to make their own decisions about what goes into their bodies, and what doesn't.

 

Also, concerning your comments about not being a "match" with the unvaccinated "crowd", I think you may want to consider that we are at one point on a long-term time continuum. Because someone is not comfortable with being vaccinated today, doesn't mean they won't be comfortable being vaccinated tomorrow. This is a quickly evolving situation. We should try to be understanding of someone's perspective and treat them as individuals. In other words, we probably don't want to lump everyone who has some lingering doubts about the vaccine into a single group. 

 

Lastly, from a purely medical perspective, I strongly agree with the idea that it will be safer to play in a circle with people who are vaccinated.

In response to an abbreviated comments; yes we respect people’s devious about what goes into their bodies. So please respect ours that we don’t want unvaccinated people in ours. 
 

it is difficult not to lump ‘non-vaxers’ into a single group because largely we see the choice divided between a public health/safety vs. a personal freedom debate. 
 

I certainly understand the reluctance to receive the vaccine due to limited info on side or long term effects. I also have the opinion that those sitting on the fence should decide to vaccinate or wear mask and social distance indefinitely. Yes, very much like a Scarlet letter. But, at least in our experience locally and with regional travel, this is not the case. 
 

For example; as health care workers we are encouraged to receive flu shots every year. Until a few years ago there were no consequences if an employee opted out (either by choice or for medical/religious reasons). Not long after SARS it was mandated that we get the shot annually OR wear a mask at all times on duty between 11/1-3/31 to protect our patients, visitors, and coworkers. Now when you get a flu shot, you are given a color coded “badge buddy”  (scarlet letter) that must be attached to your ID and visibly displayed while at work. If you don’t have correct badge or mask you are counseled once, then suspended w/o pay if caught again. Only tome mask can be removed is during meal in designated break area or cafeteria. Guess what? Annually we have greater than 95% compliance which is up from about 67% before the policy. Freedom of choice is still in place but consequences are clear for those not participating. 
 

There are tons of articles on herd immunity. It supports other statements on Polio, Small Pox, etc. noted here. 
 

With new debated on Vaccination Passports, I think we’ll see more of this. I believe that this passport is unconstitutional, however that does not prevent private operators such as airlines, cruise operators, amusement parks, etc. from make vaccine documentation a part of their T&C for accessing their goods or services. This is quickly evolving and we should start seeing how things like this shake out over the next few months. 

 

njbm:

We would not play with people who are unvaccinated. I suspect that a large number of lifestylers agree. 

 

We agree. As noted above. 

[AndrewandAnn 360]

On 4/11/2021 at 2:00 PM, shy_couple said:

In response to an abbreviated comments; yes we respect people’s devious about what goes into their bodies. So please respect ours that we don’t want unvaccinated people in ours. 
 

it is difficult not to lump ‘non-vaxers’ into a single group because largely we see the choice divided between a public health/safety vs. a personal freedom debate. 
 

I certainly understand the reluctance to receive the vaccine due to limited info on side or long term effects. I also have the opinion that those sitting on the fence should decide to vaccinate or wear mask and social distance indefinitely. Yes, very much like a Scarlet letter. But, at least in our experience locally and with regional travel, this is not the case. 
 

For example; as health care workers we are encouraged to receive flu shots every year. Until a few years ago there were no consequences if an employee opted out (either by choice or for medical/religious reasons). Not long after SARS it was mandated that we get the shot annually OR wear a mask at all times on duty between 11/1-3/31 to protect our patients, visitors, and coworkers. Now when you get a flu shot, you are given a color coded “badge buddy”  (scarlet letter) that must be attached to your ID and visibly displayed while at work. If you don’t have correct badge or mask you are counseled once, then suspended w/o pay if caught again. Only tome mask can be removed is during meal in designated break area or cafeteria. Guess what? Annually we have greater than 95% compliance which is up from about 67% before the policy. Freedom of choice is still in place but consequences are clear for those not participating. 
 

There are tons of articles on herd immunity. It supports other statements on Polio, Small Pox, etc. noted here. 
 

With new debated on Vaccination Passports, I think we’ll see more of this. I believe that this passport is unconstitutional, however that does not prevent private operators such as airlines, cruise operators, amusement parks, etc. from make vaccine documentation a part of their T&C for accessing their goods or services. This is quickly evolving and we should start seeing how things like this shake out over the next few months. 

 

njbm:

We would not play with people who are unvaccinated. I suspect that a large number of lifestylers agree. 

 

We agree. As noted above. 

Respectfully, if the goal is  to better understand the motivations and mindsets of other people, lumping people together in a false two-way choice, or framing it as a "debate", is not only unwise, it is counter-productive. There are legitimate reasons for people to be wary of vaccination that have nothing to do with "personal freedom".

 

You may, or may not, be aware the US Food and Drug Administration, together with the US Center for Disease Control,  have jointly recommended the *suspension* of the administration of the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine due to several documented blood clotting issues. This may only be a temporary pause (the likeliest outcome) or it may be an indication of something more serious.

 

Imagine what is running through the minds right now of the millions of people who were administered the JnJ vaccine? You think they might be a little concerned after learning the FDA and CDC decided to pull the vaccine that was put into their bodies? 

 

Clearly, reasonable people--even those intent on being vaccinated--can still have reservations and want to wait, if for no other reason than simply to have an option of which vaccine they decide to take. For all of us "early vaxers", we were never presented a choice about the particular vaccine we were given. 

 

As far your thoughts on the "scarlet letter" issue, there is far from any universal agreement on this. The governors of Texas and Florida, notably the second and third most populous states in the union and the fastest growing, have already issued Executive Orders *banning* the issuance of any such "healthcare passports" and, more importantly, forbidding private businesses from requiring such documentation.

 

 

[PeterJ 954]

1 hour ago, AndrewandAnn said:

As far your thoughts on the "scarlet letter" issue, there is far from any universal agreement on this. The governors of Texas and Florida, notably the second and third most populous states in the union and the fastest growing, have already issued Executive Orders *banning* the issuance of any such "healthcare passports" and, more importantly, forbidding private businesses from requiring such documentation.

One point of clarification on your excellent post AndrewandAnna, I believe Greg Abbott‘s executive order effects only businesses “doing business with the state of Texas“. Also, a lot of executive orders issued by governors and presidents (Of all political parties) in the end don’t stand up to litigation. But, that’s probably beside the point from the perspective of Abbott and DeSantis; I suspect these orders are largely in service of political theater.

[shy_couple 459]

Yes and...read the story of the Louisiana man refused to have his temp taken at a Disney resort in Florida. He refused, got irate, was asked to leave, when he didn’t police were called and he was arrested for trespassing. 
 

temperature checks are a long way from a vaccine passport but are a form of screening for COVID and restricts access without compliance and successful (health) screening.

 

We were in Key West recently. Hit a couple of Museums. In all cases were were told masks were required at all time and must cover mouth AND nose. Instructed staff would ask to comply only once. If you were caught again, you would be removed from property w/o refund. 
 

 

Respectfully, I'm

not sure the goal from the OP was to find out what motivated an individual choice to vaccinate or not BUT to gauge if most swingers will feel comfortable inviting unvaccinated to play. Unfortunately, it left just enough of an opening to a yes vs. no question to add opinions on why or why not which lead to debate on a topics where passions run high and very sensitive to most people right now. 

[njbm 2,880]

So sorry science became a political issue. It should be everyone against the virus, not some people against others. 

[AndrewandAnn 360]

14 hours ago, njbm said:

So sorry science became a political issue. It should be everyone against the virus, not some people against others. 

Yes. Truly a tragedy. But it's not limited to the subject science.

 

We've entered a bizarre time in the world where literally *everything* has become politicized, often to the point of complete absurdity. I could rant at length about this topic, but I'll spare everyone! Lol.

[AndrewandAnn 360]

20 hours ago, PeterJ said:

One point of clarification on your excellent post AndrewandAnna, I believe Greg Abbott‘s executive order effects only businesses “doing business with the state of Texas“. Also, a lot of executive orders issued by governors and presidents (Of all political parties) in the end don’t stand up to litigation. But, that’s probably beside the point from the perspective of Abbott and DeSantis; I suspect these orders are largely in service of political theater.

Thank you, Peter.

 

I used those two instances as anecdotes supporting the point that, nationwide, there is not any agreement on the use of so-called healthcare passports. But, yes, the Executive Orders differ from state-to-state. However, the symbolism behind them is as much the point as is the actual order, right? 

 

 

[njbm 2,880]

If everyone got vaccinated promptly, the pandemic would probably end soon. But that would be too easy. A friend of ours told me he is not taking it because he does not react well to medicine. I asked him how does he react to ventilators?

[NerdsAreFun 226]

Absolutely.  We are restricting future partners to those that have the covid vaccine and the HPV vaccine.

[enhancer 1,585]

We will not be playing with anyone until we have been vaccinated and most definitely won’t be playing with anyone else after that if they have not been vaccinated!  We really don’t care how long it takes either.  There are more important things in life then getting some extra on the side.

[njbm 2,880]

8 hours ago, NerdsAreFun said:

Absolutely.  We are restricting future partners to those that have the covid vaccine and the HPV vaccine.

If you are vaccinated for HPV, does it matter if your sex partner is not vaccinated?

 

I honestly don’t know. 

We are too old for the HPV vaccine or else we would have received it. 

 

We know a few women who have had HPV problems.