Is cuckold the new term for under cover bisexual?

[PeeTWheatstraw 122]

The question has come up a couple of times in some of the cuckold forums I belong to. Men that find it necessary to emphasize that they are not gay but will secretly admit that they enjoy cleaning up creampies and sucking the other guys cock. Why hide the fact that you enjoy eating your wife after another guy has come in her or sucking cock? Personally, I don't feel like there is anything wrong with doing either and I don't see anything wrong with being gay or bi either. Just wondering what your thoughts are. 

[cplnuswing 4,713]

In terms of why hide it, while I think things have gotten way better on acceptance in the swinging world, there is still a lot of stigma involved with male-male interaction. Or fear of stigma at the very least.  I also think there are gender differences, not just in swinging but society at large.  A female can admit to girl-girl experience, and "lesbian" isn't the first word on everybody's tongues. A guy admitting to male-male, for some people "gay male" is the first thing that comes to their mind.  Don't know why that is, but it is.  For some reason, more leeway is given on a female's sexual identity, whereas with males it's perceived to be an all or nothing thing.

 

So question back to you.  I have watched some amateur cuckold porn, and it seems like creampie cleaning is much more common that sucking cock.  Why is that?  Is it that licking a cum-filled pussy is still licking a pussy, therefore still "not gay", but sucking a cock is definitely in gay territory?

[NWAtlSwing 522]

I think cuckhold is different than Bi.

 

He is Bi for us, and we both love the MM play. He also likes to see me fuck other men. We love to share a cock.

 

Any other man engaged in humiliation would be booted.

[hkdilbert 182]

I would certainly hope not.  We've got enough people in the world these days trying to rewrite dictionaries to meet their own agenda - hope and pray it does not come to the LS community.  Our take on this is simple - we believe in total truth in advertising.  I hear the stigma thing, but don't buy it.   Common now - there is stigma associated with everything in the LS in the non-LS world.  I thought one of the more appealing aspects of the LS was honesty.  We know what we are, and advertise as much.  People who read our profiles know what to expect, and we expect the same from others.  If readers don't like what they see, then they know we're not a great match and move on - a win-win solution IMHO.  Anyone who does not have the balls to admit and be truthful about why they are here and what they are looking for should probably not be in the LS to begin with.

 

Sorry for being so brutal - we're not trying to hurt anyone's feelings but feel rather strongly about being able to openly communicate about who we are and what others are looking and expecting.

[shy_couple 459]

It’s tough to say if this is bi exploration or fully engaging a cuckold fetish/fantasy. Personally believe it’s more the latter. Although it straddles the line and is probably different and depends on the individual participating. 
 

[EastInWest 1,524]

I'll offer a thought. The cuckold thing isn't my particular thing, but the submissive I've been working with sometimes experiences a cuckquean-like kink.

 

She has an older female friend who she looks up to as sort of a mother figure, and let it slip that she's developed a terribly clear fantasy of me fucking that woman and making her watch - and then making her clean the woman up.

 

It's not an explicitly bisexual thing for her, it's a submission thing, the logical end game of the scenario to grind her down as hard as possible.

[hunterdonNJcpl 1,389]

If there is a line between bisexual and cuckold it's a blurry line at best.  A cuckold husband may suck a Bull's cock as an act if submission and symbolic transfer of power from husband to wife, but he wouldn't do any of it if he didn't like sucking cock.

 

Yes, men can be every bit the sexual shapeshifter that women can be. And, for us, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.  This LS is about exploring your sexuality- so explore!

[Fitlakecouple 451]

Not all cuckolds perform m/m play. And, bisexual m/m play has little to do with cuckolding. Seems like a stretch to conflate the two topics. There is enough confusion of terms as it is… The Venn diagram has overlap- leave it at that. 

[TricianMike 772]

A Cuckold is just a man who likes to watch his wife have sex. It doesn’t deal with gay or bisexual play. Don’t know where your definition came from. 
The original definition included humiliation of the man by having him watch. No sucking dicks, no licking cum. 

[PeeTWheatstraw 122]

On 11/18/2021 at 3:52 PM, cplnuswing said:

 

So question back to you.  I have watched some amateur cuckold porn, and it seems like creampie cleaning is much more common that sucking cock.  Why is that?  Is it that licking a cum-filled pussy is still licking a pussy, therefore still "not gay", but sucking a cock is definitely in gay territory?

I think that is a great question. Not married and have never cleaned up a woman or sucked cock so I cant speak on it from that perspective. Sounds like a question we need to ask an adult industry professional, as they are the people making the porn and influencing the cuckold culture. 

[PeeTWheatstraw 122]

On 11/19/2021 at 7:01 AM, Fitlakecouple said:

Not all cuckolds perform m/m play. And, bisexual m/m play has little to do with cuckolding. Seems like a stretch to conflate the two topics. There is enough confusion of terms as it is… The Venn diagram has overlap- leave it at that. 

I never said that all cuckold perform m/m play but given the number of men that identify as cuckold and straight, but secretly will advertise their desire to clean up their wives or suck cock, makes this a valid question for anyone interested in studying the cuckoldry fetish. 

[PeeTWheatstraw 122]

On 11/19/2021 at 10:08 PM, TricianMike said:

A Cuckold is just a man who likes to watch his wife have sex. It doesn’t deal with gay or bisexual play. Don’t know where your definition came from. 
The original definition included humiliation of the man by having him watch. No sucking dicks, no licking cum. 

Im going to share what I posted in one of my cuckold groups on Fetlife about the definition of the word cuckold. 

 

What is a cuckold? 

According to the Oxford Language Dictionary and Google, a cuckold is a man whose wife is sexually unfaithful, often regarded as an object of derision. Derision is defined as contemptuous ridicule or mockery. Anything else is a personal preference to fulfill one's own cuckold fantasy. Just like rape is a rape but people have rape fantasies. The original meaning of the word does not change but how you role play your fantasy is up to you. 

 

The last sentence of that post is based on part logic and part of a conversation I had with a guy that identified as a cuckold. Until someone provides me with a better answer, I'll continue to define the word as it is defined in the dictionary and be open to the idea that people with the same fantasy can choose to role play that fantasy in different ways.  

 

 

[couplers 4,638]

On 11/18/2021 at 11:48 AM, PeeTWheatstraw said:

Why hide the fact that you enjoy eating your wife after another guy has come in her

The guys in our three-woman, two-man poly family do it, not because they want to, but when we women demand it for our pleasure.

 

On 11/18/2021 at 1:52 PM, cplnuswing said:

A female can admit to girl-girl experience, and "lesbian" isn't the first word on everybody's tongues.

For me, it is.  I used to think of myself as having a "bi" side.  Now I realize that I am bi, having a straight side and a Lesbian side.  And I (and Lora, not so much Clair) have become more Lesbian than straight both sexually and emotionally since we women have had children together.

On 11/18/2021 at 3:53 PM, hkdilbert said:

Anyone who does not have the balls to admit and be truthful about why they are here and what they are looking for should probably not be in the LS to begin with.

I admit it and have been told that I have balls by co-workers (in non-swinging situations).  🙂

 

On 11/18/2021 at 7:50 PM, EastInWest said:

she's developed a terribly clear fantasy of me fucking that woman and making her watch - and then making her clean the woman up.

That was the beginning of my journey into having a strong Lesbian side and the first step, except hubby didn't need to "make" me.  I had to persuade her to first let me watch, and then jump in.  It was my reclaiming ritual.

Edited November 28, 2021 by couplers