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When we first started, we only had a few chance encounters with random people, so definitely condoms were a must. We're now in a group with just another couple, and an occasional single woman, and we all agreed to go without condoms. The single woman aspect is tricky since she is not with us all the time, but we feel she's been honest about her sex life, and she tests frequently. We've only recently started experimenting with the husbands and cum. Personally I love being cum on, and especially love it when my husband is still going after the other hubby cums on me. But sloppy seconds is a newfound joy! And my husband, who was very, very shy about touching any fluids in the beginning, has loved the sloppy 2nds, and also enjoyed eating creampies or off my boobs. Of course I don't judge him for that, in fact it's a huge turn on for me that he has dropped his inhibitions, and will try anything that he thinks turns me on. Great viscous circle! He does lose his desire to eat/play with cum after he has cum, which is understandable, although a bit of a double standard. There are many times when I'm "done" but continue to play, for the fun of it for me, and also for everyone involved. To each their own, and it's been my experience that our tastes and desires change the more experiences we have in the lifestyle.

I like the taste either way! Girl cum too!

Michael and I have been lying low as far as picking strangers up, being selective in our swinging lifestyle. The other night we were in NYC to watch the inflation of the Thanksgiving Day parade balloons and to have dinner. The inflation of the balloons has become a major event with thousands of people showing up, this year on a cold night. It’s not an event where anything sexual comes to mind it’s a party atmosphere with plenty of families and tourists. I like to say we are all like kids watching the balloons come to life. I don’t know how many people asked us to take pictures of their families in front of Snoopy. I don’t how we ended up talking to two men who were joking about blowing up balloons when Michael joked I was a very good blower. It started a very interesting conversation more innuendo, a little sexual. Being cold we invited them to go for coffee or something to warm up. We found out they were in NY for a family dinner on Thanksgiving and not natives. Michael being the way he is started up the blowing again and joked about my prowess. He said too bad we live in NJ and didn’t have a hotel room to show them. We also figured they were gay because one of them said the other was pretty good too. One offered to show Michael but we told them Michael is straight but enjoys watching me. That’s when they invited us to their hotel in Greenwich Village if he wanted to watch. My instincts took over from there. In their room it was just fun when I said who’s first. After the first I was ready for the second but instead the first started blowing his friend. In all the years and all the men this was first for us.

Most guys are eager to do sloppy seconds, especially with his wife. There's something magical about that. Do you find that true as well?

We have not played separately. Also, if one spouse has a cold, the other spouse is probably a day behind. On a related note, we have friends whose profile says “same room, separate room, front seat, back seat, same state, separate state.”

Well, how you tell someone is everything. If she made no suggestions or provided no insights and THEN explained the experience wasn't so great, well, a sex partner has every right to be at least disappointed in the news. Or, the one time things went poorly I did say,"I think I had an off night". In the moment, let the other person off easily. Then, you can control the narrative with a mind that's more clear. Also, the experience is less' fresh' emotionally. One a personal note: Now here's an extreme situation. I realize weight can be a huge issue and difficult for people to resolve. Wonderful couple. The wife was gorgeous. He was handsome a few pounds ago. I admit to having some extra liquid courage in me at that Club. When we declined he was a bit assertive as to reasons. We never give reasons, and don't expect them, even if we're declined. And I said, to my husband's horror, "You get to the gym lose 25 pounds and your in. Literally." We saw them two months later, he had lost 30 pounds and tightened up his body a smidgen, too. His quite joyful wife said,"He couldn't have done this without you". I walked up to her, gave her a gentle kiss on the lips and then went to him and said,"I'm a girl of my word. If you still want me, you can have me". The sex was amazing for all concerned. Again, weight is a bitch to control.

We discussed condom use before we met others online. Prior to our first swing my only sex was with my husband and we never used a condom so we bought some and tried it at home. We laughed about the whole thing trying to roll it on. I can’t say it felt different, it was more a mood breaker. Since meeting others we aren’t using even if we know it’s riskier. One poster on here states she enjoys knowing something is swimming in her, I enjoy the feeling of a man squirting just like I know the men enjoy me squirting. Is it a physical or psychological feeling of the man unloading or is it the after when I enjoy the wife licking it up. It’s all part of the fun we are having.

Bareback is the epitome of swinging. When we began swinging we played with just one couple. Both the girls used contraception. My wife Amy has IUD and Lesley my partner took the pill. Amy has stuck to one playmate since she detests condoms. I can tolerate using acondom but look forward to bareback sex wih my playmates once we have become familiar. Amy and i don't go to swinger clubs or participate in orgies. We both look dforward to seconds.

We usually use condom unless it is a safe period. Here is an audio session we recorded a while ago. Our friend cum inside first and then I took over. My wife didn't wipe it out before I started. We knew each other very well so we are comfortable on this. If it is someone who we barely know, we won't. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c6ACN22c6Voj77IMPkKaVT-st9kGjfvM/view?usp=sharing

The only view that matters is ... yours. A few years back, we wrote an essay that might be worth a read. Exploration of the LS can start at many levels. Have you, for example, considered a clothing optional holiday? Or going to a lifestyle event such as a cruise, just to "soak up the vibe"? Rather than "jumping in the deep end of the pool", you might think about different strategies to test the waters. It is perfectly okay to say "At this point, I don't see myself being touched by anyone else, I don't want to be touched by anyone else...but I want to see what people in the LS are like." Notice that I didn't say "what the LS is like"; I said "what people in the LS are like. " With the usual provisos about generalizations always having exceptions, every couple we have spent time with in the LS are truly in love with one another and have a level of contentment and trust that is frankly rare in the vanilla world. Put differently, you already sound more like an LS couple than a vanilla couple.

I think a lot of heterosexual men would try receiving or giving oral sex to a man. The problem is that if they list as bi or bi-curious, they will turn off vigorously straight men. So you have to sort it out in person. I think gay anal sex is a higher level of commitment. Probably less participants.

I just googled it myself " + swinger" and the first hit I got was a review, lol " Disgusting dirty swingers hotel...."

This is a perennial--and perennially interesting -- grooming topic. There is no more rationale to the choice than there is for the length of hair on one's head, the choice of whether (and if so, what) color to apply and so on. It comes down to preference. "Natural" requires no attention, but hairs poke when wearing textiles. Everything else requires some regular attention. We observe among our LS friends that everyone is either closely trimmed or lasered/shaved. In clinical practice, one can almost predict from the way the face and head are groomed whether the genitals will have had some grooming. It no longer assorts by age or race or ethnicity, any more than body art or piercings assort by those features. Yes, we both shave. We are both very oral and we prefer smooth on or lips and tongues.

Does he do anal with other guys ? Have to admit, fingers and toys feel great, but I would like to feel the real thing in my ass.

ascensio; first off, WELCOME! You're in the right place. Please keep asking questions! We will be happy to answer and help you on your journey. I don't think your scenario of dancing together and hoping another guy comes up is going to work. If I'm at a dance club and see an attractive woman, I'm going to be interested. If I see an attractive woman dancing with another guy, I'll be interested but would never approach; she's already dancing with someone else. So, I think her dancing with you isn't going to result in another guy approaching you to dance with both of you. Above, hunterdonNJcpl noted a more common scenario of having her sit at a bar while you are off in the shadows of the club somewhere. This has a number of benefits, including you not being immediately in the mix. This makes it easier for men to approach her. An attractive, well dressed lady at a bar by herself is going to draw attention. Such a lady with another guy (you) won't bring guys in. You mentioned your wife likes a man in a suit and tie. If you choose an upscale nightclub, you may find that. The best chance is probably the nightclub of a high end hotel and earlier in the evening rather than later. Later in the evening it's likely they won't be wearing suits and ties. There's downsides to this scenario. You mentioned that you don't want to find guys from a website. I can understand that, but the problem is you end up likely drawing in men who are looking to cheat on their wives. Some people are ok with playing with men who are cheating on their wives. For my wife and I, that's an immediate deal breaker. We've encountered that, and shut it down immediately. Do you really want your wife to play with someone who is cheating? Does she? The cheating is bad enough in itself, but you also get men who do not understand the lifestyle. What can happen is that you can get men who find out how awesome your wife is, think you're insane for allowing her to fuck other men, will disrespect you, and will try to get her to leave you for them. That's just one aspect of a man who doesn't understand the lifestyle. Another aspect is the man doesn't understand his role, and that he needs to respect both of you and understand the rules. Finding out if a guy has a bigger penis than you without actually seeing the guy naked and aroused is going to be very, very difficult. Let's play your scenario out; let's say your wife does stick her hand down a would-be-playmate's pants. Maybe he's not fully aroused yet, or is clearly smaller. What then? How do you break that off and move away? Sure you can just walk away, but how do you think this guy might respond? How do you respond to that? Think it through There are a lot of single men on swinger dating sites. There's plenty of them that aren't worth your time. But, there are very good ones out there too. My wife has been fortunate enough to play with quite a few of them. There's been some duds along the way, but overall it's worked well. How? We've been highly selective and made it clear about what we want. Putting up a profile allows you the opportunity of filtering out some duds by making your profile clear about what you want. You can also leave a comment further down in your profile that proves to you they read it. For example, "If you've read this far please say the word 'blue' in your email to us". If they don't say the word 'blue' in their email to you, you know they didn't read your profile. Delete and block, move on. This helps quite a bit. Anyway, I think you will find a lot better luck and better satisfaction by using swinger dating sites. Going to a club can work, but it comes with its own problems.

I’ve told this story in another thread. I was in the vagina of a frequent playmate, pumping away while at a house party. Another gentleman asked if he could try DVP with us. The idea was so exciting to me that I came immediately and my partner and the other guy laughed. It was funny.

So this one was on my wife's bucket list for a long time. We finally met a guy that was down to try it and she absolutely loved it. It took us a few minutes to find the best position and rhythm but once we did she said it was one of the most intense orgasms she has ever had.

In addition to the material benefits we have, I am fortunate to have the freedom to live my sex life. Without fear of being stoned to death.

Never had chance to do DP with my former wife. But I love going into her vagina right after another slid out. All his and her cum was so warm and silky, it made me harder. So kind of know that wonderful feeling 🙂 After I cum, we would 69 --- WOW !

I checked that article and am happy to say I tried many of those positions. When we played in groups most of the time there wasn’t much variation of positions, doggy was the primary with cowgirl being second. Oral positions of all sorts too. At parties most of the guys didn’t take that much time, some only a few minutes, not a problem because would be others willing to go. Thinking about our parties my girlfriends were more willing to finish things guys didn’t. For the changing positions, my ex’s friend that I spent nights with alone was always up to change positions and had the ability to sense my orgasm and we would cum together. Additionally he had a quick recovery time allowing us to have a few mutual orgasms.

I had support from all my friends but the most important person was Me. My Body-My Choice. I learned the only time a man should be involved with my body is when I want him to.

My guys do it - David willingly, Red reluctantly. Other men we've played with too; it's not unusual if a woman demands it for an O after p-in-v. We women are all bi, so going down on a creampie (how descriptive!) satisfies both sides of our sexuality. We women all (Lora, Clair and me in our family, and play partner Shannon too) do this as well. I'm especially eager, I love to taste her on his dick. The guys don'tsuck dick, never. Oral as foreplay is common, but relatively short before the dick goes in. Oral as postplay is almost a must, particularly for the girls wanting a slow work up to another O.

That is the number one reason that for us oral is mostly a post-play rather than a foreplay thing. Oral on a guy is great for getting him to a second, or sometimes third, erection after p-in-v sex. Just cumming in my mouth and swallowing seems like a waste. The other reason why oral is usually done after fucking is that we women like being eaten and eating pussy, sloppy pussy. It's part of my reclaiming ritual. (I consider myself a rational person, scientific even. But I love how sex and my sexual expression is so irrational, driven by instinct, but perverted instinct. There's nothing to explain or justify, only doing things that I feel driven to do.)

Like NWAtl, we would stay home to take care of our spouse. Even though both would say, go, have fun. On the other hand, we had a foursome planned with a regular couple once and the wife had to go out of town - a sudden family thing. We invited the husband over for an MFM and had a great amount of fun. Bottom line, you do you, just make sure there's no hurt feelings.

We're a both bi couple and find it hot if the same cock has been inside both of us. It's a relatively rare event but has happened including both top and bottom. Love eating out my wife while being fucked. She loves to watch/encourage and suck me while it happens too.

Thank you for your expanded comments, Numex. Like texting, sometimes it is hard to get the full context from the brief comments that everyone writes here. Kudos to you for breaking new ground. You qualify as a “try-sexual.” It actually reads as a hot scene.

First, I have no problem with your comments or being "judged." We're all here for an honest exchange. The wives weren't trying to humiliate or make fun of us. It started as a discussion with another couple about women sucking dick and doing anal, whether they enjoyed it, and whether it was physically good or just the sense of pleasing a man. The way men do anal different than pussy, whether swallowing is fun for the woman or just done to please the guy, etc. So as the four of us talked back and forth, the wives said, "well, you do it," and we agreed, sort of reluctantly, but also with the understanding of what they do for us. Admittedly, our attempts by us men, were awkward, inexperienced and funny in a way. We knew this couple, and the other one I did the gay stuff with, very well so it was about as comfortable as I could have expected. Not enjoyable, but not so bad. For me, anal was the worst both ways, getting oral done on me the least objectionable. One of the other guys thought it the other way around. It depended on what was easier to ignore. Between a man and a woman you might think that a mouth is a mouth and an ass hole is an ass hole, but not so. Talking about sucking dick, I told the women that we men eat pussy so they're not doing anything special. My wife said, but so do we, that's much nicer.

Talk about taking one for the team...

There is the possibility of parallel swinging. The idea is you meet a couple (also newbies might be best) and rather than swap partners you play with your spouses - in view of the other couple. Swinging, especially in the beginning, should always follow a discussion of "the rules", and it's important not to proceed until all parties acknowledge and agree to abide by the rules. The rules being that you can look at but not touch the other couple. Then it may be possible to ease into things without fear. It's quite likely that after all is said and done you'll wonder what you were so afraid of, then maybe agree to expand boundaries a little next time.

It was luck and driving a hard bargain, if he wasn't willing and capable of licking/finger fucking me to orgasm, I stopped sucking him off. In retrospect what would have been better is if I had discovered my Lesbian side at this point in my life and played in that world. What I got nothing in return for was the several guys I let into my bum hole. Other than a mess and pestering to do it again. Only one of them went down on me good and got to return. The nice thing about getting on bc and p-in-v sex is the mutuality of the orgasms and satisfaction.

It wasn't a week and it wasn't hell by any measure. We in the group were concerned that this couple who were both very eager to start swapping, perhaps her a bit more, had never had any lifestyle experience before, not even soft swapping or nudism. They wanted safety and saw our closed group of other married couples as safe. So during their test-wait-test again time, we had them join us for them and us to be sure that they wanted to do what they thought they wanted. They proved themselves to us and to themselves that they were a fit by having no problem being naked and seeing all of us naked, fucking each other in front of us and watching the group engage in all kinds of activity within itself, and playing feelies all around. After the testing came back good twice, the group voted unanimously to have them join and we celebrated the end of "hell week" by all getting together and letting them play with member of the group as they wished. He got it on with three or four of the ladies, she took all of the men that day. They are now valuable members of the community.

OK, this is me and I need to respond. I was fourteen. She wasn’t a friend’s mom or teacher, but a friend of the family, recently divorced. There were many opportunities for me to be alone at her house and she came on to me, and although I was uncertain on how to respond to keep it moving along, I didn’t resist or protest as she put my hand on her breasts or her hand on my dick. I wasn’t scarred for life, but it did have effects on me. First, it really hit me how a woman her age, late thirties, was different from the girls that I had explored. Compared to girls my age, the differences were astounding. Her pubic hair was choppy and course, her breasts drooped to the sides and her nipples were large and dark. After two kids, her labia was extended, her vagina open and accommodating. The physical maturity was striking to me. Second, for the three years while I was having sex with her it put me off from girls my age. Why settle for a feel, a hand job, maybe a blowjob, a finger inside her pussy when I could have a blowjob, a fuck, another blowjob with her finger in my ass, and throw those tits around all I wanted? Third, it did emotionally hurt me whenever she wasn’t responsive or put me off, even temporarily; and I knew she was fucking guys who were prospects for a more serious, permanent relationship. The normal early teenage petting and mutual masturbation didn’t leave me with the emotional attachment that regular fucking, missionary, doggy, cowgirl, I did with her. Fourth, when we broke it off and I got back into the sex game with girls my age, I felt better, and better for the experience. It didn’t leave me with an older woman fetish but an appreciation for women as they matured. I married my ex-wife and we were the same age, mid-twenties, but the images of my mature lover when I was a teenager, kept me excited for my wife as she grew older, had kids and matured. I grew back into that excitement. Fifth and finally, my ex and I divorced after twenty years and I married Daniela who is twenty-five years younger than me. There’s definitely something to be said for a young body, a young pussy but I find extra satisfaction now with the women around my age in our group of swinging couples. I have “her” to thank for that.

The first time I had another man's balls up on my face was a few years back. My wife and I met with couple we met online, and agreed to meet up with them. We decided to treat them out to dinner first, and then head over to a hotel. We'll just call them Mr.Davis and Mrs.Davis. They were both in their early 40s when we first met them. After we finished dinner and headed over to the hotel, all four of us made ourselves at home, and popped open a few drinks. After about a few minutes of drinking and more chatting, we finally got more physical. I helped Mrs.Davis get out of her clothes, and she helped me get out of mine. My wife helps strip Mr.Davis, and he helped her get nude. From there, Mrs.Davis and I started kissing, hugging, caressing each other, and complimenting each other, while my wife and Mr.Davis did the same thing to each other. Of course the fun part, I was having sex with Mrs.Davis, and my wife was having sex with Mr.Davis. Now after about 20 minutes into having sex with the Davis couple, my wife and I got into 69 position. My wife began sucking my cock, and I of course was eating her pussy. Mrs.Davis decided to help suck my cock as well, sharing it with my wife, and I enjoyed it a lot. As for Mr.Davis, he went behind my wife, and started fucking my wife in doggystyle position. The thing was, Mr.Davis' balls hung low, so every time he thrusted, his balls would swing back and forth. At one point, his balls started rubbing my face, while I was eating my wife's pussy. His balls were pretty sweaty too, or at least I think they were, but it could have been my wife's juices. I couldn't help it, but decided to give Mr.Davis' balls sniff, which didn't smell bad. I also did give his balls a couple of licks, which I would describe the taste as meaty. In the end, all four of us had a lot of fun, bringing out orgasm after orgasm, and cumming a lot. It's a shame they decided to stop swinging, but we had fun with them while it lasted.

So I don't hijack this thread, I need to start one on the taste of vaginal juices...

My wife's juices taste like asparagus after she eats it. Love it either way. If her pussy is a little stinky when we start having sex, such as after working out, I just keep licking and sucking her until the new juices wash away the old.

The sugars will bond to the polysaccharides and proteins in the semen. It will take some time to process and will be most effective drinking pineapple juice as your male body is producing fresh semen. This ‘research’ is anecdotal and developed from male porn actors trying to keep actresses happier by not having bitter semen. In short, increase making the actresses preferred list. So, the observed result has a basis in physiological science. The opposite analogy is men who eat asparagus, then finding their semen tastes bitter. A confirmation is men who eat asparagus can smell the difference when they urinate as well.

The good erases the bad. Very few people know the difficulties we endured. I’m not proud that I cheated on a woman I love, she had every right to throw me out. I still look back on how things changed and how she enjoys meeting the men. I realize our relationship is far from what would happen to most who were in our position. From what I see it is much easier for women to find men willing to meet to cheat. I’ve stated many times my wife isn’t cheating, I am aware of meetings. I am finally back to business travel, I’m not looking for new affairs just seeing the women I already have fun with. My wife has set up a few swinging dates for us where we made a number of new friends. These friends are very different from the women I played with, I’m not emotionally attracted to just learning to enjoy swinging for what it is.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING -- TO ALL !!!

No offense taken. This is going to sound bad for me, we had a perfect marriage. My cheating wasn’t planned. After cheating once the second was easier. I was not near home and never figured it would get back to my wife. Asking permission would be crazy because I didn’t need it. Asking permission to have an affair, you don’t know my wife, asking for a hall pass would mean I needed to go pee. Would I presume a divorce? Hell yeah. It almost led to a divorce when she found out. Now it’s the other way around, she has the hall pass.

I shortened the post as you can imagine it was strange for both of us. At first we didn’t know if they were really gay or just sounded midwestern. Didn’t know if they were a couple or brothers. They were too much fun to be straight, too good looking, too well dressed, hard to read as they were visitors to NY. I whispered to Mike at one point that they were gay, he said they wouldn’t invite us if they were. We are also older than them so we weren’t 100% sure. They did talk about women, one did more talking. In the Uber Michael sat in the front, one of the men was a little frisky on the ride. Going to their room I saw two beds giving me reason to rethink things. Michael was asking questions but we got evasive answers. #1 said he had to #1, pee and invited me to watch which i declined. He kept the door open and kept talking. As strange as it seems we were having fun, conversation was hysterical. Very sexual too. I never watched two guys, never wanted them didn’t shy away from watching. I did ask Micheal what he thought, he didn’t seem like he needed to it, he thought I enjoyed it.

@TricianMike, it sounds like you had an enjoyable experience, as did the bi or gay guys. I think it’s admirable to open to new experiences that might press against your limits but not transgress them. It didnt seem to phase you in the slightest; have you spoken to Mike about how he responded to seeing one guy fellate another?

J, as one of the two photographers for that event, i can assure you that it wasn’t as fun or even sexy as the eventual ASN article made it look. It was just one scene — set up, photograph, break down — after another, as quickly as possible so as to get everything done in a two-hour window. Some of the participants may have enjoyed the genital stimulation, but among the 20+ participants there were no orgasms. No scene lasted sufficiently long for that to happen. (At one point one of the women thought she would distract me by sucking my cock (yes, both photographers were nude, though the rest of the production crew remained clothed) I remained "focused" on the task at hand. 😉) The party that evening was another matter entirely. Pretty much everyone who had been part of the earlier photo shoot was jacked up and ready to go. J, I’m pleased to hear that you and Wu have been regularly photographed nude over the course of your life together. As you have noted, it’s nice to be able to look back at the bodies we enjoyed having in our younger days. Through the years I've known (mostly) women who were reluctant to be photographed nude because they didn’t think their bodies were good enough. I promise you most 40-year-old men and women would look at photos of themselves at 20 and be favorably impressed, though they wouldn’t feel as good about their 40-year-old selves. Fast forward another 20 years and those 60-year-olds will think their 40-year-old selves looked pretty good. And so on. It’s a blessing that people today are able to privately and securely record themselves and others in nude portraits as well as sexual situations. In the pre-digital days other than Poloroids, one needed to have darkroom skills to make that sort of personal photographic record.

Wow! For most people, 25mg of Viagra (sildenafil) is sufficient. Those I know who took 50mg turned tomato red. With Cialis (tadalafil), the daily dose is 5mg with 10mg being the dose if used like Viagra (when needed rather than daily). Combining those two dosages sounds really high. I've read the same and was told by physicians that combining the two increases the risk of priapism (erection for more than 4 hours).

Someone is having her period.

The girls are more willing to do oral on another woman after a deposit is made. Most of the guys I know are willing to do a sloppy second and not eat another guys cum.

It was fun work with no point to prove. I never felt he finished too soon so this was just a way to have more fun. It wasn’t a challenge it was for laughs and giggles when we saw 50 positions to have sex listed on Men’s Health magazine.

Good to know someone who had an intense religious experience when young.

In our group it happens. Some like it and seek it out more than others. I'm in the camp that's willing to do it if a woman, including my wife, wants it but I don't seek out slurping other guy's cum. As said above, it's more a girl thing.

There is a confluence of reasons for my obsession. I started masturbating young, pre-puberty, hard, often, both vaginally and clitorally. As puberty hit, I thought about boys, especially while masturbating. Then it was all tied together in sex ed, which in Catholic school was called Family Health. No dicks, no pussies (certainly no clits), but uteri, fallopian tubes, ovaries, eggs; testicles, vas deferens, sperm. So for me, the foundation of sex is biological. Microscopic biological. And a man’s testicles. I had some very intense masturbation sessions after school when I got home from those classes.

That paragraph is so full of manipulation I don't know where to start. A little barter, I'll give you waht you want, even though I am the one that needs to apologize IF you give me what I want, and then you fucked up again... If you want your husband you have to give up the swinging and threesomes. Period. If I was your husband I'd be talking to a divorce attorney and do everything I could to get you out of my life. It feels like you need to sow a few wild oats and you're not going to do that inside your marriage. Admit what you need and move on. Have the courage to fend for yourself, financially, and go play. Stop hurting your husband. S