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NumbskullsX2, I think you are confusing a discussion on this forum with what one would do at a club, which are two entirely different things. For the discussions here on the forum, what would be the point if people weren't willing to be honest in how the feel or what their preferences are? While I may say something on the forums like, "I will not play with green women", I would never say that to someone at a club. Instead I would just decline to play with someone who is green because she doesn't meet my preferences, without specifically saying why. As far as I am concerned, ones preferences are just that, preferences. I may never play with green women, but I would only state that here as a contribution to the discussion. I don't think it makes me racist that green women don't turn me on, they just don't. For the record, I am a white guy, and I didn't find any of Greg & Sheryl's posts offensive either.

This is just flat out untrue. If you look through our posting history, you'll see that we have touched upon racial issues on a number of occasions over the years, and most of the time the conversation has been civil. In fact, you'll see in our aforementioned original thread that JnCC was the only person who genuinely took issue with us, while everyone else defended Sheryl's choice even if they didn't necessarily agree with it. The comment we made about accusations of racism was a facetious comment on our society and how talking about race often arouses passion. We felt this was a tactfully-worded statement of fact which was relevant to the topic brought up by the original poster. If you were offended by the way we said it, can you suggest a less-offensive way this could have been stated? Greg doesn't have a problem with white people. If he did, he wouldn't have married one. Sheryl doesn't have a problem with white people, she just doesn't want to have sex with white men anymore. You've never seen us conduct ourselves at a party or social, so you do not have enough evidence to judge our behavior at those events. We actually do check our attitudes at the door, and we have plenty of fun socializing with people of all races even though we may not play with them. There is nothing on our website that even implies any hatred of the sort. If you would be so kind as to point out what part of our website actually does, we would be more than willing to change it. While the website promotes the joy of sex with black men, it is not intended to come across an anti-white. Our intention was to add to the conversation, not stir up any trouble. If we had wanted to do that, we would have used racial slurs or advocated the biological inferiority of certain races, but we did neither. Furthermore, you seem to be the only one genuinely angered by our statements, so if our intent was to stir up trouble among the rank and file of the Swingers Board, we failed miserably short of that goal. We don't, on either count.

We posted our reasons because we felt it was an interesting and relevant point for discussion in this forum. The entire point of the Swingers Board is for all of us to delve into issues we face in this lifestyle. How and why we arrive at our criteria for choosing playmates, whether it involves race, age, size, beauty, education or social status, is a legitimate issue for discussion. We don't recall making any personal insults or racial slurs, so we don't think your examples are completely analogous to our original statement. However, your examples are actual reasons we've heard from others regarding playmate selection, but they are generally stated in a much more diplomatic fashion, so we respect those points of view. In giving our reasons, we tried to be as tactful as possible. Most of our colleagues in this forum understood and respected our tactfulness, but we suppose there will always be a percentage of people who don't "get it." We're not quite sure how this example could be applied to this forum, but based on this and your "she" remark, our best guess is that you think Greg is using Sheryl to justify his racism. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, Greg disagreed with Sheryl's decision three years ago and we still occasionally debate it today. By limiting our play to black and interracial couples, not only does this greatly reduce our pool of potential playmates, but Greg misses out on playing with some genuinely outstanding ladies just because their husbands aren't the right color. This includes some wonderful friends we've made in our six years on this forum. Greg's argument is that is okay to have a preference for black men and to seek them out accordingly, but it is wrong to disregard a potentially outstanding lover just because of the color of his skin. Unfortunately, Sheryl doesn't see it that way. Her decision was based on years of personal experience in the lifestyle, and she's not budging from it. If you have any doubts about this, you can ask VegasLee, because we have had this conversation with him. Provided there is a decent pool of black men for Sheryl to choose from, there is little doubt that we would have fun at your club. When we go to a club, we go there to play rather than discuss our motives, so this issue wouldn't even come up. If you honestly think our reasoning is flawed, simply say so and state why. Personal attacks and name-calling don't do anything but make the Swingers Board a less enjoyable place to be.

homo phobic? no, i doubt it. violent, last time i checked punching was considered assault and battery. definitely a violent act. so yes you are currently considered a violent person. go ten years w/o any violent actions, aside from self defense, then I will reconsider. Hyper-Macho? macho is all about attitude not size. lets face it whe you are sitting a bar,and a fight breaks out, it is more often than not, a little guy, with a macho attitude, who thinks he has to prove something to his woman, that throws the first punch. Immature, yeah, you have a long ways to go.

I am white, have been for a very long time and the post by Greg & Sheryl today and in 2005 did not offend me in any way. Please speak for yourself, don't think you can speak for all white males. I have met them and known them for many years, I know personally they are not racist in anyway. As I said in 2005, this is a public forum, they have every right to speak their mind just as everyone else that visits this site. You don't have to like what they say but they have the right to say it.

That was my point Greg that they're issues for YOU not for US. WE all manage to get along without insulting other races or bringing down an entire race just because they "fail to satisfy" your wife. Yes, when you continually repeat it as you have here, I do think your using her. When a politician quotes a founding father, he does it to justify HIS patriotism, not the founding fathers. When your Pastor quotes the Bible, he does it to justify HIS religious beliefs, not Jesus's. When a skinhead quotes Hitler, he does it to justify HIS racism, not Hitlers. And when YOU continually quote your wife??? By the way, why is it always YOU telling us what SHE thinks? Why don't you tell us what YOU think, and let her do the same? She can type, right? Yeah, and by bein' a DICK you limit them even more. Oops, did I say that? I meant "somebody I know" said it. I was just repeating what THEY said. I don't believe it, of course. I don't need to talk to Vegaslee, he's a guy with a website who runs promotions for a club out in la-la land. Basically nothin' to me or me to him. You talk about her "years of experience" like it's a fact. Well, we have "years of experience" too, and we've never had a problem with white men. Maybe if your wife tried losing a few pounds or fixing her hair, the guys would have tried harder to please her. (Just for the record, I don't feel that way, my wife told me to say that. Also, I DO NOT THINK YOU'RE A DICK. They, "these people I know", do)

No demand here. You would not be welcome among around these parts, but not because of your color, because of your attitude. Your original post was very offensive to white males and white people overall but I'm sure you knew that. Why did you bring this racist crap up in the first place? Why are you bringing it up again?

To be honest, discriminating sexual partners on the basis of ethnicity or 'race' is in fact racism. And to consider it a taboo is also racism. I know those are loaded words to throw out there...and i'm not accusing anyone of being racist...just that those sentiments are racist. People are people....not 'races.' and who you are sexually attracted to should have no relation to 'race'. Likewise, i think the other side of the coin is people who treat ethnicity as a fetish.