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now there is much i would love to say in this thread, but the issue with the written word is that it is easy to take offence to it, or read it out of context. Mrs Phoenix is agnostic. raised a catholic. i was raised agnostic, and am an avowed Athiest. Organised religions and their moral codes aren't dictated by "God", but men who exersized their judgements based on a SELECTION of the available texts. if it were the work of god, using ALL the available texts, then we wouldn't see the huge explosion of different religions based on essentially the same book(s)(from various sects of christianity, to Judaism and Islam. all based on the same set of texts). There also wouldn't be differences (sometimes minor, sometimes glaringly contradictory) in the beliefs of these different sects. We have to remember that the texts we are shown by those in charge are the texts THEY want to show us. not the whole story. the morals derived from those texts are the SUBJECTIVE opinion of those that founded the religion in question. and even if you subscribe to the "my religion is the only right one" philosophy, it doesn't take a hard look at your religious doctrine of choice to find inconsistencies. I am not saying this to "convert" anyone to my way of thinking, merely to say... if you have a firm understanding of your religion, and you assess that it is the right thing to do, then you are acting on as much authority as the preachers and priests. my personal view? if the Old Testament shows the true nature of god, then he definately would not have been in the lifestyle. he was as jealous as they come (wiping out civilisations with fire, brimstone, and pestilance because they DARE look at another god).

Oh you do eh? Well no wonder the rest of us can never find one, you've got them all bottled up up there in "flyover country!" (wherever that is) Maybe you could spring a few loose and send them up to Ohio some Saturday night? I know a lot of couples and even a few guys who would be most thankful! Seriously, these dozens of "single female swingers" that you know, how large an area are we talking about? Your town or city? Your state? Several states? The internet? Allow me to illustrate by way of example. I own something that is somewhat rare. So rare, in fact, that saying what it is would probably reveal my identity in this small community. I personally know about 25 or 30 other people who also own one of these items, so I guess it could be said that there are "lots" of us who own them. However, I don't know of anybody within 150 miles of me who has one (believe me, I would know) so you could also say that "very few" people have one. It all depends on your perspective. The reason I stated to this gentleman that "very few single women were looking for single males" was because that has been our experience in this lifestyle. On a typical Saturday night at the last club we attended, they would usually draw between 7 and 10 single males, but never more than 1 or 2 single females, if any. Not only did the men far outnumber the women, but they were there for sex, while the women were more focused on dancing, socializing, and meeting other couples. I can't say they "never" connected with the single males because they probably did, but it didn't happen as much as you would think. I wasn't trying to discourage Magemouse from participating in this lifestyle. He asked a question. I read his post, taking note of his spelling and use of the English language. I then looked at his profile, noting his choice of introductory picture (complete with iPod and gang symbol) and interests. It would have been easy to suggest he make some changes to the above, but one thing I've noticed about internet profiles........ You can change the profile, but you don't change the essential person behind them. All-in-all, he didn't impress me as a guy who was likely to find much success at this as a single male. That's why I suggested he find a partner. I'm sorry if my recommendation came off as being cruel or unkind. I wasn't trying to come off like that guy on "American Idol," just trying to offer him a way to be successful at this. It's a sad, but undeniable fact that this lifestyle is like the line at "Studio 54." Couples, single females, and a few very select single males are invited to "step over the velvet rope." The rest will still be waiting in line when the place closes.