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It appears we are in the minority here, but we take the position that we don't need to use condoms but will if requested. In reality we usually do use them because I have had a vasectomy but my wife is very fertile. For medical reasons my wife can't take birth control or use the morning after pill and abortion doesn't seem like all that good of an option. So if the male of the other couple isn't fixed my wife lets him know that he needs to put on a helmet. As far as std's go we have spent many hours discussing it and many more hours researching them, and these are our conclusions. The one we are most afraid of, would be aids. After reading many studies, many focusing on heterosexual transmition, we have come to the conclusion that given the demographic makeup of the group we hang out with, our chances of getting hit by lightning while walking from our car to the club is much higher than getting aids from somebody while we are there. In our opinion the odds just don't justify a large amount of concern of contracting this desease. The next most concerning would be hepatitus. This one could be a biggie in the future but for the common strains currently out there, their is a vaccine the gives more protection than would be afforded by using a condom. HPV, herpes and probably a couple I forgot are currently uncurable, but from my research the protection provided by the use of condoms from the transmition of these is pretty much non existent as they can be easily transmitted by touch or contact. Then their are the list of std's that can be treated like syphilis, gonerhea (sp?), chlamidia, etc,, These respond well to drugs so while they are a concern I don't think I will lose a lot of sleep worrying about them. So after studying up on all these things I have come to the conclusion that even though we have sex with others, I'm still much more likely to die of more conventional causes than from an std transmitted through hetrosexual sex. If we have sex without using a condum, are we taking a risk? Absolutely, but we have come to the conclusion that for the type of partners we choose, the risk is minor and so we generally have decided that it is worth the risk. Some of the most enjoyable things in life carry a risk, I intend to enjoy life to the fullest.

I stand corrected! Certification, funny thought. I misunderstood that wording. I now understand that it means a desirability to screw with them. As in, “do you come with references?” Just like a black book idea. That reminds me of the Ken and Barbie syndrome mixed with the dependability factor. Hey, this swinging is just like a blind date. You can always say no to people who do not fit you expectations. And they can say no to you. My partner and I do not engage in that game of references. If they, the potential playmates don’t like us, highly unlikely, they can say thanks, no thanks. And we never turn down anyone, it is just not right to do so. They are people too! My first experiences with swinging were with my partner and the other couple who just started swinging. They were repeatedly turned down because they were “not the right type”, a.k.a. persons of girth. We still played with them. The wife of the male was very kind hearted. We all had a great time, if I went with the who you had sex with before, I would have missed out a lot. So no certs for us! Hope this is more on topic. It’s been a long day!