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In a word (or two, actually) - NO WAY. Fix your relationship before you try swinging. Swinging NEVER, I repeat, NEVER should be used to try to fix a releationship. Some of my erstwhile fellow board members will take many more words to say the same thing.

My mistake,. I Hope you can accept my sincere apology. I'll make no excuse. That was truly ignorance, on my behalf. I truly work on getting peoples names correct even pronunciation. Again, my apology. It doesn't seem to match your personality here. You are this happy go lucky, perfect lover guy. All knowing ,caring, giving. You give your demands about what a girl should look like... So your saying, all this happened between you and CLOUD, before you posted your profile on SLS? Then why not be honest and say in your profile. If I meet you in a bar in a shady part of town. I will assume you dont smoke pot. But after I have tolerated it enough.... I'll get you, and anyone you know busted. I mean isn't that what you did ? Isn't that where this was going ? Again, I was wrong and truly apologize. This is a confusing situation geographically..... I actually thought you were farther away. No different than when we tell people we are from Lafayette, they expect a cajen accent I suppose.... How long did she fool you with this pot smoking ???? I mean I would think if I fell in love with a woman to a point we were living together at times.... I would have known that, and either excepted it, or walked away in the beginning. Then you post to others about knowing all this, all along ?? That's really the core of how I see this whole story. You dont even have a clue how Cloud feels...... Nothing here on the Swingers Board, not a thing.... I guess the sad thing is you didn't introduce us to Cloud, and give her a chance to speak... There is always two sides to a story. You have every right to be hurt for being lied to. You had a right to walk away.... I was correct in one judgment in all of this. That's why I posted fighting in the beginning. I knew you were going to jump in and start swinging. You did say you hit Cloud. Like others said, this wasn't about sexual swinging. This is about physical swinging. You are correct, and again I will apologize for a very big mistake. This is something I will consider and learn from, again my mistake. I cant change what I have done here in my previous post. I can accept my mistakes. I can only learn from my mistakes. Its one of the reasons I post here, and in actually communicating with others in life. You should have known me twenty years ago.... You really need to work on your relationship skills. Ill be honest, Mrs.fun finds you very attractive. However hearing what you did to Cloud....Well, Beauty is only skin deep. Ugly goes clear to the bone..... People change you know... What do you think the reason is that she couldn't be honest with you ? It looks like you are only one way.... your way. We will never hear Clouds side to this story will we ? How does she feel about your profile on SLS? How does she feel about any of this ? I mean you fly around swinging with whom ever. What if she was the one in the bushes and took a swing at your playmate ? I mean you dont seem to understand anything about her.... Sound like you want to be martyred for your kindness hoping for what ? Well that's not in your profile, is it? What happens when you hook up with another woman from your profile on SLS and she comes home with you and asks whose stuff is this ? You just seem demanding. You expected gratuity with a fishy story.... You don't have to scream at me. I hear you... You do have issues... No not at all. I dont have a bone to pick with you. I make mistakes. There is no vendetta. I wish you well in your relationships and life. You have missed judged me from my mistake. If I may ask your forgiveness about the mixed up names. That again, was so rude on my part. But its not like your names are JACK & JILL....If I may now call you Mr. SKY and Miss. Cloud, from the land of Eurotrash. Its important to me meeting people, knowing their first name. I actually make a note of peoples first names, before we meet through SLS. With all the peoples screen names/real names its a flaw...Sue me.. I like that note feature on SLS they have now. Yours has been noted now Here is the real deal. I'm in a good relationship. I'm an authentic swinger. I dont have to question my partners doings. I dont have to suspect her of lying to me. I dont have to change her, or her friends, in any way with the help of the police. I don't and would never stalk her and surprise her from the bushes. You do, not me. I swing with couples and singles. I make that decision based on good impressions... If you would like, I could give you references to the single males we play with. None of them have all these relationship issues you have.... Do you play with couples? I mean your on a swinger site with the majority of us being in a sound, healthy, relationship. You like keeping me and others in the grey area. I think you like it ! It works for you. I think you are that type. I think you are just using the swinger idea to get laid. And that's cool, so do the single males we play with. I however, have a choice to veto my partners choice of sexual playmates. Why, because she trusts me. I would be the one you have to ask. Your pissed, because that didn't work out for you with Cloud. You are one of many men looking for a sexual partner. On one hand from your SLS profile, Your a great guy, while keeping a messed up relationship with a woman secrete. Why dont you mention Cloud, or the painting in your house in your SLS profile ? Cause it would keep the girls away ? I dont think you want anything more here than to be martyred for your giving everything in a relationship.. with Cloud... Get out of the grey area and step up to the plate. What are your intentions. What do you want here. We can symphonize with your pain from a broken heart, we are not cruel. Do you pull this story out with other single women you meet through SLS? What? We have a great relationship. We Swing. You need to move on with things between you and Cloud. There are fists being thrown just as I speculated in the beginning. Now the police are involved. Mrs.fun likes your profile and finds you very attractive. That's the truth. I, on the other hand say "No way honey, No way" I dont trust you. Cloud doesn't either, right ? I have to wonder again.. Who didn't trust who, in this story? I'll work on my reading skills and getting names right. I can do that and swing. You work on getting your relationships right... Cool?

Ok, that club is exactly what I was thinking you thought clubs were like. And although I too have seen clubs, or more often house parties that were like that, those types of clubs are very rare. Most clubs are nothing like that, although you may see people having condomless sex in a public play room in any club, as a significant portion of the swinging population chooses to play without condoms, most clubs I have been to have at least been clean. And most clubs are no different at first glance from any other night club, except of course that the people attending have a more unified idea of why they are all there. As far as meeting single women at the club goes, this used to be much more unusual than it is now days. In fact, at the clubs we regularly go to their are usually a few single gals there on any given night. Their are also a few couples who play separately and don't mind if just the female plays with a couple. As far as Craigs List goes, most of the single females on there are in fact, escorts. In fact, I know several of them personally that advertise in our area. Even in Nevada escorts who advertise on CL are illegal, and quite frankly, I would be worried about them more than in other states because their must be some reason they don't work in a legal brothel. That reason is possibly that they can't pass the weekly std test the brothels require. If you want to use an online ad service, SLS is one of the best. But keep in mind, no single gal is going to contact you, they don't have to, they are still rare enough that they have trouble keeping up with responding to the folks that contact them. With that in mind, single gals on the ads sites can be very picky, so unless you two are exceptionally hot, or you happen to contact a gal and just trip her trigger with your witty intro, I wouldn't expect immediate results. From the people I have talked to at the clubs who are looking for a similar experience as you are, they don't have much luck on the add sites. I am not saying that you shouldn't put an add up, I just don't think it is fair for you to have unrealistic expectations. The fact is, their are a lot of couples looking for the single female, but very few single females looking for couples. Back to your original question though, I would highly advise avoiding escorts, as a night of fun could to easily turn into something you regret for the rest of your lives for a number of reasons.

You quoted me as saying, "Well, I cant smoke pot any more. Honestly, its because I am against drug testing in my profession. I make my choice. I don't hold anything against those who do. My choice/ their choice. If I find myself in Amsterdam, give me a toke..... And then lets see the sights... You are old enough to know where you were." HOWEVER, I NEVER WROTE OR STATED THAT. EVER. Did you make a mistake and write that in the wrong place? I think you did write that you are a pot smoker who resents not being able to smoke anymore. That explains a lot about your vehement attacks against me, your campy, fluffy visions of who Cloud is, your inability to comprehend what I written and remember details. As for my SLS profile, it was written before I even met Cloud. I think I made this very clear, in writing before. It's true I never took it down, but never used it and certainly never got anyone writing me. So, it just fell by the wayside. I am not an active user at SLS nor do I spend a lot of time here... normally. AS I WROTE BEFORE, I BECAME MONOGAMOUS AFTER CLOUD AND I GOT TOGETHER. You accuse me of "flying around swinging." Where are you getting these ideas?!?! Are you sure you've really stopped smoking marijuana? I see that you think that I'm upset about marijuana use. To set the record straight, as I wrote before: THIS IS NOT ABOUT POT SMOKING. "THIS IS ABOUT HER LYING TO ME. REPEATEDLY. THEN, TREATING ME WITH THE UTMOST DISRESPECT. THIS IS ABOUT BETRAYAL. THIS IS ABOUT TURNING AGAINST ME FROM ONE DAY TO THE NEXT." And to say I jumped out of bushes and the bar was in a shady part of town? What's this about me assuming "you" don't smoke pot? WHERE DO YOU GET THIS STUFF? I never wrote that. I knew from day 1 she smoked pot. I know lots of people who do drugs. I have good friends that do drugs. I think at one point 70% of the people around me were drug users. Until now, I was fine with people doing drugs. My opinion has been that you can do drugs until you cause damage to someone other than yourself. Then, you're busted. It's the same with alcohol. You can drink, but if you drink and drive and kill someone. It's all over. So, drink responsibly. The first time I realized that Cloud was more that just a recreational drug user was when we came home one night and she wanted to smoke her joint like she did every night. Well, this night, she'd run out of rolling papers. She became so desperate that she tore out a page from a magazine and was going to roll a joint with it. I stopped her because I imagined all the toxic chemicals from the inks on that page getting sucked into her lungs. She was not happy to say the least. I promised her I'd buy rolling papers for her 1st thing in the morning. Actually, I think that was our 1st disagreement we'd ever had. You wrote that I hit Cloud. I NEVER HIT CLOUD AND I NEVER WROTE THAT I HIT CLOUD. Where are you getting these ideas?!?! (I will use caps to help you read better on points that I've made clear over and over. Hopefully, something will stick.) I did take a swing at the guy, but only after he had the nerve to be a disrespectful ass to me and provoke me in such a delicate situation, but I think I already wrote this clearly enough for most people to understand. You accuse me of wanting to be a martyr. Explain why you think I want to be a martyr. Out of everything you've written so far, this may hold water, so I'm curious. If Cloud and Eurotrash are too hard to remember for you. I think that's a sign that you need help. So, I suggest you stop giving me advice, or should I say passive-aggressive attacks on my character masked as advice.