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The easiest way for a woman to keep clean is the way most Asian woman do it. They keep a small plastic cup in the bathroom, fill it with water before they sit down, and use the water to wash themselves after they urinate or defecate. Then they use a hand towel or toilet paper to dry themselves. It works great and is simple. And, they always taste good! Bidets are wonderful inventions and popular in Europe, particularly France. Perhaps that is why Frenchmen are noted for their interest in oral sex. I installed one in a house I used to live in, and that is the thing we missed most when we moved. It is handy for the females and the males washing their bottoms. If you have ever had diarrhea, perhaps you remember how painful it is using even the softest tissues to wipe. A bidet resolves that completely. Spraying your anus with warm water is such a pain relieving way to clean it. We are planning to install one in our house when we remodel the bathroom next year. As for smelling bad, it can happen to men and women. My gal, an Asian, insists that I wash my penis before she gives me head. She does not like the dried urine taste either! But, the most telling situation was a small party I recently attended. I was starting to play with one of the women and when I started to finger her, I was overcome with a horrible smell. Her pussy was giving off an odor that smelled like something had died a week ago in it. It was all I could do to suppress the gag reflex. I started to play with her husband to get away. The rest of the evening was a bust, as the smell was so bad that I could not get an erection. I took a shower before I left to get rid of the smell. However, the smell was embedded in my clothes and followed me home. It was not gone until I washed the clothes and took another shower. So, please do not feel embarrassed about washing yourself, either men or woman. Clean smelling and tasty body parts are wonderful, and the opposite are absolutely awful.

Sorry to drag up an old dead thread, Julie referenced this one in a more current thread, and it seems I missed this one. WS, I have to ask, based on this guys reaction, do you really care what he thinks? We've gotten to the point that, outside of certain family members and work, we make little to no effort to hide our lifestyle. Not that we're walking around in "I swing" shirts (well, not every day anyway), but at the same time, anyone who would be judgmental about it simply has no place in our lives. Our friends know, our neighbors know, just about every person we have a social relationship closer than an occasional "Hi, how are you?" knows, and were anyone to ever react judgmentally, they'd simply be no longer our friends. Gay's went through the same discrimination we still endure, and the beginning of the end for them was when they decided, en masse, that they weren't going to hide it anymore, and whosoever didn't like it, tough shit. I think we swingers should consider adopting a similar attitude. On edit, to comment on the universal swingers sign, I'd love to have one, my concern would be that it would become known among non-lifestylers. Not that I care about some stranger in the mall knowing what my bracelet, or ring, or whatever meant, but that non-lifestylers would start wearing it rendering it meaningless.

My BS meter is still pegging 9.9 on this one. Reality; his jealous feelings are making you feel rotten. What's more important? Her feeling good or you feeling good? Bottom line; you're not attracted to either person in this couple. They aren't the one couple you are going to be one couple couple with, period. Therefore, regardless of your husband's behavior, this is over. It doesn't matter what he says, does, thinks, feels, or behaves. It's over. Done. Kaput. Look, you don't NEED this couple. I just did a search on SLS using 32514 as the zip code. I restricted the search to age 21 to 39, active within the last two weeks on SLS, and within 20 miles of 32514. The search came back with 323 matches. I'm very sure there's another couple out there that is willing to be a one couple couple, willing to go at whatever the slowest pace is, and not have the problems of emotional attachments beyond friendship getting in the way. Everybody here is telling you the same thing. DROP this couple. NOW. Get more assertive with your husband and insist he cut it off cold turkey, and that the two of you need to step back and make darn certain what the rules are and they will NEVER be broken again. He should count his lucky stars he has a wife who is willing and happy to swing. If he thinks the only possible person he could ever have swinging sex with is this other woman, he's deluding himself, being dishonest with himself and probably with you. Well, he's already been dishonest with you anyways. For what it's worth, my wife and I have a rule of no cuddling when not engaged in play with a playmate. It's intimate, reserved for us. The closest I ever got to actually cuddling another playmate was holding her, and lightly playing with her while both of us were intentionally watching our spouses enjoy each other. That lasted all of a few minutes before we had to return to our own activities I get so turned on by watching my wife with someone else... But anyways, cuddling is right out. Your husband cuddling with the other woman when he didn't expect you to come back in so soon was flat, utterly, completely wrong. He was cheating on you, and trying to cover it up by saying it was a joke was a blatant lie. That he's acting jealous to make this other woman feel good strikes me similarly as a lie. I STRONGLY agree with IAPR here. Fool you once, shame on him. Fool you twice, shame on you. You know what the score is. You know what the deal is. Don't play the fool. Put an end to this immediately. If your husband can't cut it off with someone you are not comfortable with, then he has no business swinging at all. That's another rule my wife and I have; if either of us says it has to stop with X person/couple, it stops with X person/couple. Period. No trying to convince, no trying to pressure, no trying to get one more opportunity to have sex with X person/couple, nothing. The most we might do is sit down and talk about why it needs to stop, to help understand what is happening to prevent it from happening in the future with new people. No means no. It's not negotiable. If this affair is allowed to continue it will only get worse. Your radar is strongly telling you there are emotions developing here, and many people here agree with that. Once he starts having sex with her (and worse when it's on a regular basis) this is going to become far, far worse. Mind, we've only been talking about you and your husband. The other woman certainly knows what is going on and is being utterly disrespectful of you and your marriage. That's a huge red flag in and of itself. If she can't respect you and your marriage, she has no business fucking your husband. She's intentionally screwing with your marriage. For my wife and I, if another couple or single is not willing to respect our marriage, there's no way in heck they get to play with either of us. Our marriage comes first, period. We're in swinging because we have an amazing marriage. We're not in swinging to screw that up. We are in no way fearful of anyone screwing our marriage up, but we are vigilant to keep away people who do not respect our marriage. STOP this affair. Now. I can't over emphasize this. The house is burning in front of your eyes.