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This reminds me of an argument I had with my college boyfriend. A particular residence house at our college was referred to at a residence council meeting as "B House, where transvestites dance naked in the halls". He kept saying that if they were naked, they weren't transvestites, since by definition a transvestite is dressed in the opposite sex's clothing. I kept trying to patiently explain to him that transvestitism was not a temporary condition of the body, but a permanent condition of the mind. In other words, it's not about whether one is dressed like a transvestite, but whether one thinks like one. I doubt I could ever think like a vanilla again.

This is a good thread ! Mrs fun and I were talking over breakfast this morning. Looking back now, we have more clarity about our first time at (their) house. We attacked them !! In a way... At least,.... compared to some of you diligent folks It's not what you think. I mean, we had dinner and talked about swinging ( great dinner by the way) We talked about an hour. It was obvious we all wanted to go "all the way" from the conversations. Then they asked us to go to their downstairs play room. That was enough to insinuate SEX,, We told them we wanted to step outside for a minute first. (We had a plan about the "are you ready" talk) When we joined them again downstairs. No one really said a word... we just went for them.. Mrs fun and him fell to the couch. Me and the wife, hit the floor (her move). There wasn't anything but moaning, groaning and giggling. We were so overcome from the experience. We really can't remember the departure conversation. It was more about thankfulness and gratitude.(we hope) Don't get me wrong, it wasn't cold, cut and dry, or anything. Our next get together. I did the wifes hair, (trim, and dye/highlight)... We talked It also gave Mrs.fun and the husband "talk time" ... Then we went at it again... and again.. It seemed natural, everyone follows the leader no matter who starts. We have seen any of the three, or four of us, make the first move. Simultaneous combustion has happened.. The next time, with this same couple at our house. We seemed to get to talking way to long. Politely, I departed for the bathroom. I found myself in the bedroom on the way back and just yelled " Anyone want to come in here and get naked ? " (host responsibilities, right ? ) No one said another word. All three of them were half stripped when they came in the room... PILE UP... Your all making us feel aggressive now... I guess the thing is for us, as it turns out . We found out quick, to get over all the ho humming around, if ya want to play. We can get to the point of everyone agreeing to "Play Time" There is a time for talking.. As hosts, and having been hosted. It has turned out the host, has been the one to insinuate play. If they don't, and we want to play, We will try at least ... Its one of those things you learn to feel the vibes.