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Like Julie, and other posters, our experience has been that the couples we have met while swinging have been a cross section of society. We have met people we'd consider intelligent, people who are of average intelligence, people who are successful, less successful, blue collar, white collar...you name it. On the question of lower IQ people being more sexually active I have an opinion; one that is completely devoid of any research or statistics. Totally born of personal experience. Highly intelligent people that I've known have been more socially awkward; I attribute this to them trying to use logic in the realm of social situations and seduction. Logic doesn't work too well there. More normally intelligent people are more balanced which leads to more social interactions and more sexual activity. High-IQ people tend to be more apt to have personality based disorders as well. That doesn't help with social interactions! All purely non-scientific and opinionated! One other thing: IQ does not denote intelligence. It's purely a social-scientific quantification of the capacity to learn and the likelihood of success in academic performance, job performance, income etc.

Hope your upcoming experiences are positive ones. As I said before, the issues you had definitely aren't the norm based on our experience. Hopefully they were aberrations for you and things will go smoothly from here on. No need for the continued tough-guy talk though. We get it, you're a tough Italian who will kick anyone's ass who crosses you. Lets get back to swinging discussions

I don't think it is so much that we don't trust what the CDC says, I think it is more the fact that a lot of folks realize that the CDC always makes the currently politically correct recommendations, whether they are based on legitimate research or not, usually not. Effectiveness varies though, depending on what you are trying to prevent. For the types of std's we are likely to encounter in swinging, especially if you limit it to the incurable ones, condoms effectiveness at preventing their transmission is so low as to be immeasurable according to the majority of legitimate studies. Is it really better? When you read this article, did you follow up by reading the studies referenced? If you had you would find that it is an article following politically correct lines, influenced heavily by people and organizations with an agenda. For example, to support the claim that condoms help prevent the transmission of HPV in women, they referenced a study that consisted of following 82 female college students for eight months. Not a rigorous study by most experts opinions. In the referenced studies defense, in their report the researchers did reference six of the many studies that have proven conclusively that condoms were totally ineffective at preventing the transmission of HPV. Funny that all of these condom advocates will single out as a reference the only study to show condoms as effective at preventing the spread of HPV. Same story with herpes, the vast majority of legitimate studies have shown that condoms are ineffective or useless at preventing the spread of the virus. This is important because HPV and HSV are by far the most likely std's a swinger might encounter, closely followed by some of the easily cured genital infections. funny thing about those infections, some of them are actually aggravated by condom use. I agree, but as I think I have at least tried to show, "the facts" aren't always as factual as you would think. As I have said many times before here, the fact that so many folks who insist on condoms are doing so in the mistaken belief that they are protecting themselves far more than they actually are, scares me much more than folks who choose not to use them for any reason. At least most folks who choose not to use condoms realize they are taking a risk, unlike those who I have met that think that as soon as they slap that condom on they are protected. The "fact" is, legitimate research just does not support that assumption or belief. The bottom line is, if you feel that a 1-5% reduction in risk (the maximum percentage usually given by the few legitimate researchers willing to make an estimate) makes condoms worthwhile, then by all means use them. On the other hand, if you are expecting much more effectiveness out of using condoms than that, you are taking risks based on a false sense of security.