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Does swinging make us better lovers or do we somehow tend to swing because we're better in bed? Or maybe, we're so bad in bed that we recognize a need for additional practice? Whatcha think... My opinion is that swinging sex is so different from "making love" that there is no noticeable correlation.

First glad things working so well for you guys. But even though you have passed through the initial steps, there are some things I'd like to throw out as to the origional situation. People in a particular lifestyle (dictionary defination used here) can get over focused in their own perspectives and labels. There is vanilla, and there is vanilla, and there is vanilla. Just because someone doesn't go to certain clubs, parties, websites, etc , doesn't mean they they aren't sexually charged, possably kinky,or open to playing with people if the opportunity presented itself. If you are receiving signals that definate, but not in 'offical lifestyle code', then respond in the manner of an ' advanced vanilla ' The flirting and gropingwould have given the opportunity to say something along the line of " Wow ! So do you guys fool around or what ?" delivered with a strieght face. At that point they can agree, start a discussion, make specific offer, or laugh it off as a joke with little face lost. And you didn't expose yourself as a Lifestyle person, just as observent potentally openminded ( dictionary defination used here again) person.

Well we have talked a lot more over the last week or so. The "green" light has been given that they are ready and want to play. One of the things that has been brought up by the wife, is that one reason she feels so comfortable about experimenting with us is because we are so good friends. I think that sure there is potential for issues, but with all the talk that we have done just getting to this point, I am very confident that if something where to go wrong during play, that we would be able to talk about it and then decide one way or the other if we want to proceed. For us, even if we don't ever play or play once and then never again, they know how much they mean to us and I just don't see that changing at all. We all are very aware of the possibilities though and have agreed to just continue with how we have been going up to this point and that is talk about everything that happens. -Van