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I'm sorry you are in this situation. It's great that you are going to a marriage counselor, but if you are not telling them the full story, I would not trust the assessment that your relationship is great and you just need a little communication help. She has betrayed you, you snoop and spy, things swing from extremes of "I'm done" to "Let's have a baby!". None of that indicates a stable relationship. I would get some really good birth control, tell the counselor what's really going on and continue to work on building your intimacy without others involved.

RUN!!! Do NOT make this woman pregnant. Don't engage in any more of her games. You have a pension, medical benefits, access to BX and she has a vagina and plenty of access to additional penises. In the end, she will get what she wants and you could lose part of what you have. This is a dishonest relationship and frankly, I think she's a bit of a head case (and not in a good way). Sometimes its better to simply cut your losses and walk away. To me, this looks like one of those times.

Don't really know where to begin, so many things happened during our cruise. Prior to going, we chatted with about six couples on SLS and SDC, and unfortunately we didn't get to meet with any of them, with the exception of one. It just didn't feel right (due to our zero experience) to try and connect with any. But my husband and I had discussed that will meet with anyone of the six if they would make contact. So we ran into one couple that we had chatted on the first day, but that was a negative experience during our dinner. In our inexperience during this cruise we found out the difference in so many swingers' styles- some good, and some not our style (who are we to judge). We know of a few that did not shock us, but this one particular couple was pushy, and the guy was a little disrespectful toward his wife. We noticed one of the common questions from meeting couples was "what drove you into the lifestyle?" So we asked (note that we are sitting with two couples), and what this couple said surprised us. His wife said she couldn't keep up with his sexual appetite, and you could tell she wasn't happy about it. Now in our minds that sounds like taking one for the team. So we got asked the same question, and my husband replied that nothing in this world turns him on more than his wife, and he can only take me so far (I was flattered). But then the guy from this couple said, "BS- it's because he is tired of you"!! Regardless of whether it was a joke, that is something you do not say to a couple trying this for the first time. I will admit that this set me off with my husband and went off on him when we got back on our cabin. My husband got upset and told me that we are not here for anything but ourselves, and "after 20+ years of being married, why would you listen to a complete stranger?" He reassured me that we have no expectations and to just enjoy the sexy atmosphere. So we decided to go to one of the parties. In the back of the ship they had a party in the open air with beds spread out around the dance floor. I can't explain how sexy it was to be dancing with my husband with all these couples, some in orgies, some one on one- it was very erotic! I was dressed as Snow White in a vey sexy outfit, and my husband was in a Prince Charming outfit. In the middle of dancing, he pushed me to a couch in between two couples, and started going down on me OMG!! Totally unexpected. My husband is very conservative so this was very surprising, and this was our first time doing this in public. I was so turned on that I squirted all over him. I tried to return the favor but he wasn't comfortable enough for that so we took it to our veranda. The next day I decided to try one of the many M&G's during the cruise, this one was done by a very well-known sex therapist, and was an under-45 crowd (at least it was supposed to be, we had maybe 3 couples that you could tell were well over the 60 mark). No worries from our end until I got to one of them. I'll explain how this M&G was set up. We had about 40+ couples set up in 2 circles, one inner, and one outer circle. The inner circle would rotate and meet with the next couple in the outer circle for about ten minutes each, and rotate again. During this rotation (with my husband next to me), we would engage in eye, smelling, and touch contact with the other couple. In one of the connections with a nice looking couple, my husband got really close to this couples wife that she started making moaning sounds, and you could tell she really connected with him. This was good for him and bad for me, because her husband was ether so turned on, or had a green eye of seeing his wife enjoy my husband that he totally ignored me, and just stared at his wife. Funny thing is that I got so turned on by the whole process that It didn't bother me that he was ignoring me. So after a few rotations, we reached this other couple that we both connected with, and he was very nice and warned me of the next rotation with the elder couple- that he has heard nothing but complaints about the husband. Sure enough when we reached the next couple, he stuck his tongue in my ear, and asked if he could kiss me. I firmly said no, and pushed him off. After the circle completed, some couples stayed chatting but we quietly decided to leave, talking about our experience, and laughed at the situation. The next day as we walked around the pool the one couple that warned us came up to us saying they been looking all over for us, and even went back asking the sex therapist if they knew our room number. After chatting a little we made arrangements to hang out during the theme night as we had already made dinner arrangements with a different couple that night (that is another story). So we meet the couple at the glow in the dark theme night. We had a blast after a little dancing and a few drinks, so I decided to ask if they wanted to hangout in our room, and have drink in the veranda with no strings attached. We were not expecting anything. They said yes and went to our room. I cannot recall how things got started- but they did, and really fast! The couple knew we had zero experience, so we kinda let them lead the way. Funny thing is we never discussed our comfort level or boundaries, but my husband and I had already decided we would be full swap with the right connection. We had agreed that if we started on soft swap and things would get hot, then we would have something we can hold against each other (in our opinion, we waited to jump in the the LS until we felt comfortable enough to do full swap, and thought that soft swap means we're not ready and had trust issues). So back to the story. We have no experience whatsoever, and I have never been with a woman. Well, it got started with me kissing the other girl. It felt so natural that we took it to the bed and gave the boys a hot show. She went down on me, and I returned the favor (now I know why my husband loves the taste of a woman). After that, we asked the boys if they wanted to continue watching or are they going to join in- the clothes came off quickly. I started with a BJ with the other couple's husband, and his wife was doing the same to mine. Afterwards they returned the favor and I started kissing the other girl as the husbands were eating us out. Not sure how the full swap started with so many hands and bodies touching each other, but I definitely recall grabbing the condoms. I gave one to the guy who had his cock rubbing in between my ass and I remember putting the condom on my husband and guiding it into another woman. As I kissed my husband, the other guy starts pounding me from the back. Here I am kissing my husband as he is fucking another woman, and her husband is fucking me from behind. OMG this was so erotic! After soo many positions, the guy cums inside me (with condom of course). My husband pulls out of her, takes the condom off, and cums all over the wife. I then cleaned her up with my tongue and gave her a kiss, swapping my husbands cum into her mouth. As they were leaving my husband apologized for any boundary that might have been crossed, as we never discussed it. They LOL and said everything evolved so naturally that we all had the right connection. My husband replied, "you know you popped our cherry, and thank you for the awesome time". Afterward we tried to discuss the events that just took place, but couldn't keep our hands off each other. We must have done it at least 7 times during the night till 6AM. We have never felt closer to each other. The next day we played once more, and this time it even got hotter as my husband asked if the wives wanted to play together without an audience, and we both agreed. Our cabin had 3 sections- the veranda facing the back of the ship, the living room, with a sliding door to the bedroom. So as the boys were talking in the living room, us girls headed to the bedroom. WOW! I can honestly say I enjoyed the wife more than her husband, only thing missing was toys. We did just about every position possible. After a few orgasms we talked and agreed to give the boys some attention. So we went into the living room, and the boys were sitting across from each other. We went first to her husband, took off his pants, and gave him a double BJ as we are kissing each other. We then proceeded to my husband and did the same favor. After that, we took them both to the bedroom. My husband asked the wife if she would sit on his face (he loves the taste of a woman), and she agreed. Her husband was fascinated with my ass, and bent me over and started pounding me even harder then before. I looked at my husband and saw that she was really enjoying riding my husband's face. So I took my husband's cock in my mouth as her husband kept pounding me (my first time having two cocks in me). After many different positions, we switched to our own partners, as I was riding my husband the other guy pulled out of his wife and came all over my breasts and face. I then proceeded to clean his cock with my mouth. At the same time his wife started cleaning my breasts and face with her tongue, and made me taste her husband as I made her taste mine the previous night. We stayed in the bed, while the other couple went into the living area. My husband started playing with me, and we started all over again as the couple said good night. This time we kept count, and my husband had 10 orgasams that night (can't keep count on mine as I can be multi orgasmic). Needless to say, we got a first option on the 2019 April cruise and already reserved a cabin. It's a bit far out, but we are also looking into the November 2018 cruise. Some couples have said that your first time can be like a magnifying glass- we can truly say that is true!! We never felt so in love with each other. A lot more stuff happened in the cruise, but we just wanted share our first full swap experience. What worked for us may not work for some, but in our opinion, it is about the after effects that makes this lifestyle so special. We both kept checking on each other. But me and my husband have that connection that we can feel, and see what we are both thinking without saying a word, and all we felt was pure bliss from both sides. Thanks for hearing us out on our first lifestyle experience.

I read your post in full. Thanks for sharing it. I'm sorry to tell you, but all I see is danger here. Serious danger. I do not see your relationship as being stable in any respect. Swinging must have a stable relationship behind it for it to work. That's just not present here. You both do need counseling, and you have to be serious about it. It's ok for her to have her fetishes, the things that turn her on, but this...no, just no. Swinging is NEVER a solution to a problem. It's being considered here as a solution to a problem. It's been said here many times; swinging is a magnifying glass. What it finds, it magnifies. The two of you have a lot of problems that have to be worked through. Swinging WILL magnify those problems. Purely from a parent stand point; PLEASE do not have another child while this relationship is on such rocky ground. The child does not deserve to be thrown into the middle of this mess. Thank you for your service in the Air Force. Is it a full 20? Did you get sufficient retirement points?

My wife and I had that exact thing happen in the mid 80s when our best friends seduced us. Our male friend and my wife really hit it off with each other. My wife was not working at the time and our male friend was working nights so they spent many afternoons playing in his bed. Unfortunately, even though the wife and I liked each other very much, she was not really interested in playing with me, and over the next few years she and I had sex with each other only a couple more times even though I knew she was having sex with a number of other men. While I was really disappointed, I really enjoyed the thought of my friend and my wife having sex when I was at work. We eventually solved the problem by my wife and I having threesomes with him along with her also playing with him alone. A few years later our friends started playing with another couple we know and ended up getting divorced and switching partners with the other couple who also got divorced. Throughout this time both couples knew we were still playing with our male friend. A few years ago our male friend's second wife died of a unexpected heart attack. In the years since, we have become even closer with him. That friend is Bill and last fall we all decided we wanted to be in a polymorphous relationship. It has worked very well for us. Bill and I are situationally bi so it opens up a lot of combinations of playing. In addition each of us is able to bring up the idea of a playdate and what type of a playdate without needing to ask anyone's permission. In fact we are going over to his house tomorrow for a playdate in his waterbed.

Gasp! That was the reaction two of our friends had when they were discovered at a house party by their daughter and son-in-law in the group grope room. After some discussion, they all realized it was just happenstance as neither the parents nor the children were aware of the other's lifestyle activities. They do not participate with each other and rarely are at/with the same circle of couples. But they do have a comfortable expectation and understanding unique to parents and their children. Here is the weird thing. The kids are trying to get our friends to broach the subject with the in-law parents. They already have recruited the son-in-law's sister and husband to their younger group of LS friends. Thin, thin ice we think.

We had a lot of things in common. We have kept in touch but not as much as I would like. They have another man in their life. But when they get up here, which isn't very often, we have some good ole times.

I absolutely LOVE lapping up and swallowing Mrs Doc's cum and our playmates as well. I love the subtile differences and flavors of individual women. Of course, Mrs Doc gives incredible blowjobs to completion and swallows. She's a perfect lover and partner.

Condoms are a problem for me. I have a thicker than average cock, though average length. Over the years, I've tried various condoms but found out that thinner condoms tended to break. Yes, I was careful, yet even so they broke. This being bad of course, I ended up settling on thicker condoms to prevent this. Will I use them? Sure. But, I dislike them, and it most definitely affects feeling. So, I prefer bareback, but I've only barebacked with my wife (well, since we got married ). My wife prefers no condoms, and prefers a man cumming inside of her. She has a long term (years) play partner with whom she goes bareback. With new partners, it's always been condoms. She is, far more than any other woman I've ever been with, much more turned on by a naked cock than one with a condom. For basically any other woman I've been with, it hasn't really mattered to them from a feeling standpoint. For my wife though, it's far more erotic and sexually satisfying for her to go bareback. To the STD issue and statistics; sure it would stand to reason that swingers would have more STDs. But, without real studies we don't know. There's supposition both ways. Of course, bacteria and viruses don't care about supposition or statistics. Yes, there are risks, and any responsible adult needs to take that into account. A fun related note; I've recently had a health issue that could have potentially been caused by an STD, though a somewhat low chance. Other possibilities weren't providing an answer, and the doctor was puzzled. So, I asked for an STD test, checking off a number of STDs for which I wanted to be checked. My doctor knows I've been married for quite a long while now, so he was perplexed. I could see him begin to form the question on his lips, but he never brought himself to ask. It was hard not to smile Everything came back clean thankfully.

One of the great things about the lifestyle is that many fantasies can come true!

Our drinking days are way behind us. Guess what, our ability to enjoy and to enjoy and to enjoy and to enjoy.....(you get the point) is much better without the alcohol. Frankly, most of our group prefers no drinking, no smoking, just fucking...whooohoooo:cool:https://www.swingersboard.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

I agree, if you need alcohol in order to set the mood, then you probably shouldn't be doing it. Don't get me wrong, I like a little buzz but it's not a requirement for me to have it. I personally like to remember the fun times and not wake up with a splitting headache or puking on someone lol