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No one especially likes rejection...whether it be for employment, a loan, or a playmate. The difference is that, in the latter, it's balanced--everyone effectively has veto power. It's not a "superior-subordinate" situation. It's about mutual consent. It's well to remember than, in life, rejection is the norm. Mrs. FL does not buy every dress she looks at, I don't accept every request for professional services. It's never "personal". It's about deciding among many alternatives. The nice thing in the LS is that there are lots of choices. When we say, "no thanks", we know that the "right couple" for the other couple is just around the corner.

I am wondering the same.

I really enjoy your threads because I see a lot of the same issues we were circling around about. Our first time was with two other couples at one of their homes. We ended up doing two rounds with a shower-and-snack break in the middle. We saw the one couple again, they're close friends, but the second time we were going to see both couples again, a year later? Mrs. E was extremely nervous, so nervous she made me nervous. Part of it was that the other wife is interested in girl-on-girl play, and while Mrs. E likes it, she still feels like it's pretty taboo for her. Part of it was that we were spending a few days with them. All for nothing. We had a great weekend. Seems like a very normal reaction to be anxious about it since now you've tried it and built up the next session in your mind.

Oh, not face to face. Usually via email. But in telling them that you are not interested, it does save time (although the first time it happens to you you end up spending too much effort thinking about what you could have done different...even if you weren't interested as well)

I over analyze as well, that's why I spot it so easily in you.

I hope things do get better for you. It's good to hear that he is willing to get help. I ache for you. I also have a question for you or for anyone else reading that may know....what is a pineapple? by the context here I think maybe that is describing a man that plays with couples...like the male version of a unicorn? I just had to ask. though I have been playing for years, we have never been to parties of any kind and i've never run across that term in anything I read before, so please help me understand.

Yes, I totally assumed you were kidding. But it was such a hyperbolic description of the act that I tried to picture in my mind’s eye how my wife would respond.

As in all parts of life, lying is never appreciated. Mrs. Alura and I met with unknown couples in the afternoon in a book store coffee shop. Our decisions were not based on looks but personalities. Honesty is the best policy. "Our kids are at Grandma's house," is good, but make sure it's true. A couple we knew would tell rejected couples later, "We've decided not to swing," conveniently omitting, "with y'all." We never had to use such a ploy.

You wife is a bad sport! Whenever mine bends over naked, I lube up a pumpkin, drop it in the pumpkin cannon, and fire it right at her snatch! She loves it! Well, sometimes she's a little upset when I aim high and she gets a greasy pumpkin in the ass. Dear god, I hope you realize I'm kidding... We tried fisting once. Couldn't get in and she wasn't enjoying any aspect of it. She tried on me since I'm a superfan of prostate massages. Yeah, I can totally understand why it wasn't enjoyable for her. She didn't get in all the way either and I still didn't shit right for a week! (Two days actually.)

I was going to mention giving birth and I saw it already posted. My wife also has toys bigger than me and they haven’t spoiled her.

Personally I'd hate to be rejected face to face.....or reject someone else for that matter!

By not playing on the fist 'date', it's easier to say this later. While some couples don't like hearing it (especially noobies), it's actually the kindest and best way to handle things. Once they realize that it just isn't going to work for one or more of the group, you are just saving everyone involved a great deal of time and effort (and awkwardness later) if you just tell the truth in the beginning. Otherwise, you spend all that time texting/emailing/talking when one or more of the group has already said that they are not interested (and one no equals a group no).

That is not up to us to decide, we are only on the outside looking in. If she chooses to stay (and so far she has), then we are going to support that decision (just as we would support her if she didn't). We will never know all of the factors that come into making a choice like this. She is doing what she feels is the right thing to do and we wish her the best outcome possible. Emotional hugs have been sent her way...

It's called home field advantage. We don't take anyone home until we are very comfortable with them and believe we want to keep them around for awhile (we don't want stalkers to know where we live). We keep things 'neutral' for the first few visits. Quit over analyzing things. If they said that they want to meet again, just take that at face value. They like you, they really really like you.

I agree with the direct method. I would rather have the other couple say the four of us are not a match, rather than leading us to believe there may be a future meeting. I guess people just have to handle the truth. We understand that the four way match is elusive.

You can't. The hurt feelings are no different when there is 1:1 dating. The difference is, in the lifestyle, "no" is reasonably assumed. Bear in mind, "no thank you" ends the evening exactly as a vanilla evening would have ended. A respectful yet direct "no thank you" is the least hurtful alternative. Moreover, respectful and direct earns a measure of respect.

Well, we went to the new club and it was a bust. We pulled in about an hour after the party started and there were 3 cars there. Assuming the hosts were parked in the garage, this was a little too intimate of a gathering for us. So, we ended up going to Couple's Choice in Markham, IL (AKA Club Release on alternating weekends). We got there around 9:30 PM and there were maybe 10 or 12 couples there. It was a somewhat thin crowd, but over the next hour, people just poured in. At the end, there were probably about 60-70 people there. The DJ finally turned up the music, people started loosening up, and the party got rolling! Some guy fucked his wife on the bar, but he was done in like five seconds. My wife and I went to the room with the circle bed and I ate her out for a good 30-40 minutes. We had a couple people watching and several others timidly pass through only taking a glance. A little later, we were in the room with the pool table sitting on the couch. Before I begin, let me interject a little side note. When we go to the club, I pop a Viagra for a little added insurance. I don't need the help, but it has three main effects for me. I don't know how it is for anyone else, but sometimes it does absolutely nothing. When it works, it basically increases the frequency of erections, so I can get hard again within 3-5 minutes after orgasming. The other effect is that it increases the size of my erection considerably. My average erection is about 6.5 inches (7 if I'm really excited). The Viagra basically pushes me to about 8 inches ind increases the girth by about 30%. Anyway, she knew I didn't orgasm from when I was eating her and she could see my dick throbbing through my pants. While about 10 people were standing around, she just unzipped me, reached in, and blew me in the billiards room. It wasn't a "pleasure area," but this kind of activity is not frowned upon anywhere in the club. And, of course, after the Viagra boost, I was quite satisfied with my presence, so I was quite confident when noticing people watching. Lol. After I came, my wife put on a bit of show while swallowing and kept stroking me a little. I got hard again pretty quick and a woman came over with her boyfriend. The boyfriend didn't seem happy. He also seemed like he didn't even want to be there. She complimented my cock, my recovery time, and my wife's "sensual swallow." We hung out with them and talked for quite awhile. She was awesome. He was kind of a buzzkill. Basically, it was her idea and he was willing to come along as long as they didn't play with other couples and only used private rooms to fuck. Whatever. Eventually, my wife and I went up to the medium sized room (the Playboy Room) where a few other couples were already fucking. I ate her out again, fucked her, and after she sat there moaning and hollering from the orgasm, some big black guy high fived me. Lol. Now here's another side note about my wife. She'll take an eternity to cum from manual stimulation or oral. However, when it comes to penetration, she orgasms within 5 strokes. Sometimes, insertion alone will do it for her. While in The Playboy Room, we went at it for awhile and she got all tuckered out. She came, but I didn’t, so after a few minutes of playing and recovery time for her, she sucked me off and swallowed again. That's when the black guy’s girlfriend/wife (while riding his dick right next to us) high fived my wife. We played around a little bit more just to give people something to watch, but we were getting tired and ended up taking off shortly thereafter.

You said, "I'm still new enough to find a woman clad only in heels and a micro-thong novel, titillating, and startling all at once." I'm still new enough to find that engaging as well. And I've been doing it for decades. If you ever get jaded at that, wheel yourself to the hospital . . .

Well, it was... Interesting. And, while being a bit of curve ball, ended up being hot. All three couples were a bust. Couple One: we didn't like the way they related to one another; it was uncomfortable. Not at all our cup of tea. They also smelled like cigarette smoke, which makes my nose itch and my throat scratchy. I don't care if people smoke afterward, but, before and during sex? No. Just no. Babe finds that unappealing, too. Couple Two: they were nice and pleasant to talk, but the conversation was bland. It wasn't a match. We all kept it brief and kept moving. Couple Three: were corralled into a corner by couple one before we could chat and remained ensconced in conversation all night long. More power to them! But, we ended up having some sexy fun, anyways. Babe turned a lot of heads. We ended up in a very free-flowing conversation with two other couples (one from the "core" group; one new) conversation that had other people float in and out of it, which moved to the dance floor. It turned into a six person bump and grind, which was a lot of fun. Babe loved it. But, then we lost track of the other couples so we migrated to a play room with several couples in it and started an extended, hot, sweaty bout of vigorous sex. Babe was super-turned on and responsive. One coupled moved right up next to use so they could politely perv on our action while getting it on themselves. The woman reached over and grabbed my bicep when she came. When that couple left the two couples we'd lost track of showed up. I wouldn't call it a "swap" per se, but we all had sex with our own partners in very close proximity to one another with a lot of wandering hands and mouths. It was extremely hot. We both loved it. Afterward, when we were dressed and grabbing snacks and re-hydrating, I had a feel good moment. I have some body image issues and Babe telling me I'm good looking hasn't really sunk in. She's my wife. She has to say that! Anyways, there was a triad at the party who are regulars. One of them is a tall and fit Asian gal who is just sensational. I turned around to find her discreetly checking me out. I'm still new enough to find a woman clad only in heels and a micro-thong novel, titillating, and startling all at once. Our eyes met and she gave me a giant grin before sauntering off. It made me think: "I'm not hopeless." So, we'll be back after the holidays for another go!

Is normal to be more nervous on the run up to a second meeting with people you've already swapped with? I think he's a little bit more relaxed than me, but thats not saying much! lol I thought that I'd be pretty relaxed and unworried, but I'm starting to think that there might certian expectations this time, don't get me wrong I'm not saying that anything has been said....but am I wrong? I think I'm trying to fill the time before I get ready....

This might get a little long, but I'm going to try to insert as much detail as possible so it has a bit of a masturbation factor for anyone reading it. This will most likely turn out to be more of a Penthouse Letter or non-fiction erotica. I'm going to start way at the beginning to explain how we even got to the point of joining the lifestyle. Chapter One: The Beginning My wife and I have been together 17 years and things in the bedroom were getting routine. We tried a little BDSM with me as Dom and her as sub (consent to no-consent sub - but I didn't exploit that). At one point, I took an awesome picture of her ass after a flogging/paddling session and told her I was going to post it somewhere for feedback. She didn't like that idea, but her face wasn't in it, so she agreed. The feedback and upvotes were through the roof. Her confidence was sky high and we began posting more and more. In our profile on one site, we said that we weren't comfortable with swapping, but we enjoyed voyeurism and exhibitionism. Eventually, a couple contacted us and asked if we'd like to video chat our fuck sessions. After some chatting and pic swapping, we agreed. It was awkward at first, but we really got to know them as a couple and as friends. Eventually, we were camming weekly, sharing ideas, giving direction, taking direction, and having a great time. About a year and a half into it, the husband messaged me on the side and started telling me about some major jealousy issues they were having because they'd moved from online to real life. They agreed to have a somewhat open marriage where they'd never sleep with someone one-on-one; the other spouse always had to be involved or at least had to be in the room. Well, it didn't work out for either of them. He hated watching her with other men and she hated watching him with other women. Every encounter was awkward and unenjoyable. They tried to push through with communication, but it always led to arguments. They gave up the real life play and the jealousy remained. They're currently getting a divorce because they just can't let it go and chalk it up to "well, that was an experience, so let's just go back to what works and forget this." My wife and I are still friends with them, but we lost our play partners. Chapter Two: Our First Real Life Adventure We'd lost our play couple and tried various websites to find people. Being "professionals," we need a serious amount of discretion. I don't mean that to be snobby or elitist. We both have jobs where we work with ridiculous amounts of people and have tons of clients who could recognize us. I also use my face in marketing campaigns, so I could be recognizable to even the average Joe on the street. Probably not since my marketing area is pretty tight, but I also have an online presence, so I'm weird about my privacy. Please don't think we're elitist dicks; we just don't want our careers to suffer if we're outed as swingers. In any case, we ended up meeting a couple online who lived relatively close to us. We explained that we weren't ready to swap, but that we were really into voyeurism and exhibitionism. They were too. We chatted online for a couple weeks and shared pics before we ended up meeting for dinner and drinks. We got along wonderfully and ended up back at their place. It seemed like they had a very similar relationship to ours where he was Dom and she was sub. As we sat in the family room, he looked at his wife and said, "inspection." We knew what this meant, but weren't sure how it applied here. She walked out of the room and returned five minutes later wearing a collar and nothing else. She got down on all fours, put her nose on the floor, and he walked around her. He grabbed her free-swinging hair and said, "What the fuck is this?!" She responded, "I'm sorry, Sir." He just looked over at me and smiled. My wife was a bit weirded out. She'd always been the sub and never saw someone else, in-person, live, right in front of her being a sub. The guy's wife got up, went into the other room and came back with her hair in a bun. She also had a paddle. She got back on all fours, put her nose on the floor, and said, "Please correct me, Sir." He gave her a surprisingly hard swat on the ass with the flogger and she let out a squeal that became a moan. I was instantly hard. My wife whispered, "I'm wet as a fuck now." The husband sat back down in his chair and commanded, "Suck." His wife crawled over, opened his pants, pulled out his cock, and started sucking. Keep in mind that we're still completely new to the real life scenario here. He just started chatting with us like nothing was out of the ordinary. He explained their lifestyle and would occasionally tell her to stop just so he could slap her face and tell her how to suck his better. Sometimes he'd just whack her with the paddle or tell her to finger herself. It was pretty routine stuff and things my wife and I had done. It was just completely different and unbelievably arousing seeing it take place in real life. They started to get more involved and there were lulls in the conversation as they both got closer to cumming. I asked my wife if she was okay and she said she was. SO, I figured I'd take my cue from him and ordered her for inspection. She stood in front of me at attention for a moment and then began stripping. When her clothes were finally off, I ordered her to lay on her back on the couch. The husband and wife switched positions and now both watched us as they did it doggy style. I went down on my wife as they watched. My wife was sopping wet. In the 16-17 years we'd been together, her pussy had never been this wet. I was essentially swallowing small mouthfuls of femme-cum. The other wife was close and started moaning loudly. This set off my wife who was about to orgasm as well. The three of them all seemed to cum together, but I was still sitting there with a hard-on. I flipped my wife over and started fucking her from behind. She kept cumming until I was done. I finished inside her and commanded her to clean me up. She immediately turned around and started sucking my dick. The husband asked if his wife should clean up my wife. They didn't seem too worried about STD's and this worried us. We were both totally turned of by this, but I said, "No, she needs to clean herself up." My wife kept masturbating as she fingered herself and licked my cum off her fingers. The other wife started doing the same thing after the husband commanded it. After everyone was freshly fucked and relaxing, we sat around naked, playing with our respective spouses, had a few drinks, chatted, and then we said our goodbyes before leaving. It was a really fun experience, but we were really concerned about their lack of concern for STD's. I mean, we were essentially strangers and this guy wanted his wife to slurp my cum out of my wife's pussy. While the idea of it is hot as hell, we weren't anywhere near that level of contact yet. We talked to them a fee more times and let them know we needed to rely on protection. They kind of blew us off after that. Chapter 3: Our First Swinger's Club After all of that, we decided to check out a swinger's club. We were initially really leery of it because we were terrified that we'd run into someone we knew, but we chose a location near home, but not too close. We got there and got a tour of the club. It seemed to be a bit slow even though there were at least 80 or 90 other couples there. We talked to a few couples and really hit it off with one couple. Let's call them Dan and Tina. They'd been in the lifestyle since their 20's and they were currently in their 40's. They were very straight forward and you could tell they were extremely comfortable in this setting. They, for lack of a better word, really educated us on the whole club scene. As time went on, people started hooking up. Dan and Tina said they were going to wander around and said we could stop by if we saw them having fun. The pleasure areas at this club were basically small rooms with no doors or they were open lofts. We wandered around and at about 12:00 AM, everyone was fucking. Our voyeurism level was off the fucking charts. Everywhere we turned, someone was sucking, fucking, or whatever. We went into "the orgy" room and our minds were blown. I'll never forget the unbelievably hot girl (who was a bit thick, but still hot as can be) just bent over the bed and random guys were wandering over to fuck her in the ass. In fact, she would direct them, "use a rubber, fuck my ass." She really seemed to be enjoying herself. Eventually, she laid on her back and another girl sat on her face while guys came and fucked her. Her husband (boyfriend?) was standing a few feet away just jerking his dick like crazy. We left that room, came back about an hour later, and they were still all going at it. The husband/boyfriend went in, tapped out the guy fucking his woman, and she dropped to her knees to swallow his load. Hubby went to sit on a bed and recover (I honestly don't know if this was his first orgasm or his 20th... I mean, it doesn't that ME an hour to jerk myself off, but whatever). The wife just rolled over into the other girl's pussy and started eating. A guy was fucking a girl next to her. She grabbed his leg, said something, and he stopped. He came over behind her and started going into her ass. She stopped him, grabbed his dick between her legs, and slid him into her pussy. They continued like this for quite awhile. I'm guessing this was her husband's fantasy to watch her get fucked in the ass and now that he was done, she wanted to cum, too. I don't know. My wife and I really wanted to talk to her later, but we never saw them anywhere else. As we were leaving the orgy room, we saw Dan and Tina in one of the lofts. Tina was riding Dan's dick like a cowgirl. She saw us and said, "Come on up and talk! We like having company!" We climbed up and it was awkward since they were buck naked and fucking while we were totally clothed. Tina started talking to my wife and I wasn't about to interrupt Dan since he seemed pretty focused on ramming his cock up his wife's cunt. Tina asked my wife if we'd done any playing and we said no. At that point, my wife sat on my lap, lifted her skirt, grabbed my hand, and stuck it in her pussy. The girls chatted while Dan fucked his wife and I fingered mine. Eventually, Tina (what a sweetheart) was like, "You know, you better give him some attention over there!" My wife slid over, pulled out my cock and jerked me off. Dan and Tina came and then they just watched us for a bit. My wife came first and then as I was about to cum, she went down to swallow my load. When she turned around on all fours, her naked ass was facing Dan and Tina. Just as I was about to cum in my wife's mouth, Tina says, "Wiggle your ass if I can touch." My wife, assuming Tina was going to spank her ass, wiggled it. As I came in my wife's mouth, Tina stuck two fingers in my wife and started rubbing my wife's clit with her thumb. My wife was shocked. She flinched big time! Tina pulled back, my wife shot up. Half my load squirted onto my wife's face, the other half started dribbling out of my wife's shocked mouth. Tina started apologizing. My wife calmed down super fast and was like, "I just didn't expect that!!" We all started laughing as we realized my wife had a cum shot up her cheek and some dribbling off her chin. Tina helped clean my wife up and we all sat around chatting and cracking up at how my wife had a mini-freak-out. We hung out together for the rest of the night, drinking, talking, watching other couples fuck, and Dan and I got blow jobs from our drunk wives again later. As the night wore on, Tina and my wife were like best friends. Before leaving, Tina gave my wife (who's pretty straight) a deep tongue kiss. They both laughed and that was it. Chapter 4: The Return of Dan and Tina at the Second Swinger's Club we ever went to. After having such an awesome time at the first club, we couldn't wait for the next event. Unfortunately, they only have events every 3 weeks, so we decided to check out another club we'd found online. This was a much more "upscale" place that referred to itself as a "swinger's social club." The first place was kind of a dive (but it was clean). This place was much more high end and it was in a very nice and very large home. Probably one step below what most people would call "a mansion." After a long orientation interview with several other couples who were new to this club, we started wandering around. There was a DJ witch dance music and a stripper pole like the last place, so it wasn't like this was some snooty club with classical music and naked people politely asking, "May I touch your breasts and vagina, madam?" It was just a bunch of down to earth people hanging out together. We brought some alcohol and start having a few drinks as we scope out the other couples and try to determine "how" to mingle in this new venue. All of a sudden, Dan and Tina walk through the door. Tina sees my wife, runs over, gives her a huge hug and a big sloppy (and very long) kiss. I was actually taken aback since my wife is straight and she was totally into this kiss. It was pretty awesome. Dan and I shake hands. We sit down, drink, and they bring us up to speed on the new club. It's a very different setting, but basically the same rules and same people, but with a dress code. Another difference was that the first place seemed to have distinct areas. There were pleasure areas and party areas. At this one, the whole place became a pleasure area around midnight. At the last place, it was more like couple-and-couple (at least for us). At this place, when my wife started sucking my cock, there were about 30 people in the room watching and fucking right along with us. During our discussions with Dan and Tina, we brought up the STD thing. They were both carrying STD test results. No wonder we like these people! Very like-minded on the safety stuff! We explained that we'd never been with anyone but each other for the last 17 years and they were blown away. Hey, we're new to this! Gotta start somewhere! Anyway... Dan and Tina went to do their thing. We met up with them later and they introduced us to another couple. They then invited us to "the big bed" where Dan fucked the other guy's wife, Tina fucked the other guy, and we just kind watched and masturbated each other. From our previous discussions, Dan and Tina knew we weren't ready for a full swap, but she tried to get us involved. Eventually, Tina was like, "Dan, finger fuck her! And you, come over here!" My wife laid next to Dan and he started fingering my wife while the other guy's wife sucked on her tits. My wife's hands started to roam and she was rubbing the girl's clit while Dan pounded away. Tina started making out with me while she jerked me off. I started rubbing her clit as she got fucked too. The guy Tina was fucking finished and went off to wherever. He just kind of disappeared. Dan was still going at it. We moved to the side right next to my wife and Tina looked at my wife, my wife looked back, and Tina just planted another deep kiss as she was stroking my cock. Then, sweetly as could be, she asks my wife, "Is it okay if I suck him?" My wife looked at me, I looked at her, we both knew this could happen, but we didn't really count on it. My wife says, "go ahead." I was a little shocked. Tina's sucking my cock, my wife's eyes are glued on the action, and I reach up to start fingering my wife. I put 2 fingers inside her and start rubbing her G-spot as Dan keeps working her clit with his thumb. Finally, Dan blows his load in the other guy's wife (in a condom). Dan goes and sits in a chair about 2 feet away. The other guy's wife has already cum a dozen times (for being in his late 40's, Dan was a fucking machine!). She comes around and asks if she can eat my wife. Tina looks at my wife and just says, "It's ok, she's got papers too... She's good." As I watch this woman go down on my wife, I see my wife's eyes are as wide as saucers. She's never had a woman go down on her before and I'm not sure if she's freaking out or what. I mouth the words, "Are you okay?" She mouths back, "Fucking awesome!" I'm about to cum and I let Tina know. She keeps jerking my cock and asks Dan, "Can I swallow him?" Dan nods. She asks my wife. My wife shrugs. I blast a load in Tina's mouth that surprises her. I normally don't have huge loads, but this felt like an enormous amount. What happened next was something I never saw coming even though I know my wife has a huge cum fetish. My wife taps Tina on the ass and says, "Share!" Tina leans over and gives my wife a huge deep kiss. The cum is dribbling out. The other guy's wife comes up from my wife's pussy and gets in on the action. Dan stands up with a huge boner again. He points to my wife and says, "She's the only one who hasn't cum yet! Do you mind?" This was hard for me because I didn't know how I'd feel, but I looked at my wife and we both kind of shrugged. You know, like, "Well, gotta start somewhere." He slipped on a condom and slid himself into my wife. He took about ten strokes and she came (which is pretty normal - she's a super quick summer from vaginal). He kept going. She came again and then asked him to stop. She said it felt good, but it was weird. Tina started talking about it and checking to see if my wife was okay. She was. Dan went back to his chair and jerked off. My wife apologized and they were unbelievably understanding especially since they knew this was our first time swinging. I was a little weirded out too, but I was also aroused because I knew she was cumming and I wanted her to feel good. I know it sounds silly, but it's true. The other couple disappeared and the four of us sat around talking. Tina claimed that she wanted to swallow my load because my precut tastes like candy. Never heard thane before, but okay. Eventually, Tina kind of guided the conversation and asked how we felt about Dan fucking my wife. We told her how it was good and weird at the same time. She looked at my wife and just said, "Do you want to see him inside me?" My wife bluntly said, "I don't know how I'm going to feel about this, but yeah, I kind of want to know." Keep in mind, we'd been hesitant about this all along because of our online friends from chapter one who were getting a divorce. In any case... As soon as I was hard again, Tina laid on her back and softly guided me into her. It had been 17 or 18 years since my dick had been in a woman other than my wife. It felt familiar, but very different at the same time. The most interesting part was how shallow her vagina was. I could feel her cervix when I was about 3/4 the way in and I'm not huge by any stretch (I'm just under 7 inches). As she pulled me in deeper, everything tightened and she started to moan. I started sliding in and out and she kept saying to go harder. I felt myself just beating the shit out of her cervix, but she seemed to be getting off from it. My wife was watching and again, I couldn't tell if she loved it or hated it. She seemed to be fascinated, but totally in shock at the same time. I mouthed, "Are you okay?" She mouthed back, "Keep going." It didn't answer my question, but I kept going. Tina started rubbing her clit with one hand and pinching her nipple with the other. She got very vocal with the "harder harder" and "oh my god!" she and I came at the same time, but as she came, she grabbed my wife and rammed her tongue down her throat. We all kind of collapsed and just laid there for awhile. Dan came by and said he was going to take a shower. He left the room. We sat there talking and Tina told us that Dan was very passive. He was okay with her fucking other guys, but it didn't turn him on. That made sense since he just kind of sat there emotionless. She also said that (and I saw this first hand) that he was a little under 5 inches and she liked guys who could go deeper. She said it was kind of a point of contention with Dan since he couldn't do it himself, but he was okay with other guys giving her what she needed. I felt a little guilt after that, but after he showered and we all met up downstairs, he was back to normal and we were chatting and joking. We wandered around and Dan and Tina introduced us to some other couples (usually while those couples were fucking). They gave us a heads up on some we should stay away from and gave us pointers on being safe (and how to have that discussion). Before the night was over, they told us about where they go for their STD testing and how it's a good idea to have that handy. I don't know how prevalent it is, but it's pretty inexpensive, so we plan to do it routinely just in case (and so we can prove we're clean to other couples). When my wife and I got home, we talked at great length about the evening. In the end, while it was a new experience and it felt awkward being with someone different after having only been with each other for 17 years, we concluded that it was just sex. I still love her more than ever before and she still loves me. There are no feelings of jealousy and no lingering guilt. We figured it would take time to adjust and realize that it's "just sex" and it's about allowing the other to feel good and have a release. It's also about seeing the sexual pleasure the other can derive from someone else while knowing our hearts are still with one another. It's taken time to adjust, but even while we still consider ourselves "new" since we've only been in this lifestyle for about 6 months, it's now a completely different experience than it was back in the beginning. I hope you enjoyed! Comments and questions are always welcome!

Everything stated here is spot-on! A nice bottle of wine doesn't have to be expensive. A true wine shop can help. Costco also has wines with ratings and explanations above each variety. So, if you don't know much about wine, I'd recommend those two places as a starting point. Just make sure you don't show up with Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill or some Mad Dog 20/20 and you should be fine. As things progress, it would also be acceptable to bring a toy as a gift. Make it something you know will be enjoyed by all. Unless discussed prior, you don't want to bring some wacky experimental stuff to find out whether or not they're into something. Maybe bring a vibe or blindfold. Save the chainmail and ratchet straps for your own bedroom unless they say they're into it! Another good idea is to bring snacks. Especially if it's going to be "a long night" and you'll need some replenishment. Just think about what a good "date night" snack would be. Stay away from the chips, brownies, garlic, anchovies, and other stuff that either stinks or will get stuck in your teeth. Maybe stick with fruit or salad wraps. It all depends on you and your hosts as well. If you're getting together in a trailer park, hack up a pineapple and be done with it. If you're going to a mansion, maybe try some fragrant herb sushi or jellied fruit tarts. Don't go heavy on carbs because they'll make you tired. I'm a fan of fruit because it's light and has plenty of sugar to boost the energy level. As for sexting/camming, it's one of our favorite things to do; however, I would strongly recommend a "no faces" policy. EVER. Those pictures hit hundreds of transmission nodes along the way and you never know who's going to be able to snag it from cyberspace. Maybe you don't care, but I'd rather have a thousand people see my dick than have just one see my face. P.S. Ripple is also not an acceptable beverage choice unless you're swinging in Compton.

In a dressing room with the merchandise on (a blue leather dress) with the salesman

Yes, a bottle of wine or such would be a nice touch. If you're not comfortable with sexting, or anything else, don't. You need to stat in your comfort zone to have a good time. And, as always, go at the slowest partner's speed.

Well as the guy half......I really want to hear all about it!

Why even wait until the morning after? Talking about what just happened is one of the hottest things (IMHO) we do. Comparing notes on what someone did that was new or spectacular (or not so great) is exciting and fun. If you are having problems with communicating with each other, there could be a deeper issue here. Who is having the problem and in what way?

We started out making sure condoms were used. Neither of us really like them. Then we were with the same couple a few times and only them. We had swapped partners and my husband was pumping the woman bareback but pulled out and shot his cum all over her. I licked it all off her mmmmm! Then her husband started on me after I had sucked him. I could feel him better and after a few strokes he said "I do. I have a condom on is that ok"? I moaned yes as I erupted in my first of many orgasms. His cock was smaller than my husband's so after a few orgasms, I said to him 'do you want to fuck my ass?' I turned over and offered him my other opening. He got so excited he came right then!!! Damn it! I wanted his small cock in my ass. The funny part of this is my husband did not know he had fucked me bareback for weeks. He wanted details and wanted to know if he came inside me. I said no, but later I thought hmmmmm, there was no cum on my bottom? I had cum so many times and was dripping wet anyway, so I think he did shoot some of his juice in me. This turned my husband on even more later and wanted a guy to fuck me until he cums inside me so my husband could eat me then fuck me after. Then it happened. The guy was fucking me hard and fast as my husband was fucking his wife. The idea of know this guy was going at me bareback and my husband is watching made me insane with lust. My husband came in the woman then he moved back and I started to eat the woman's pussy after my husband had filled her with cum all the while the guy was pounding me bareback from behind. Then The guy tensed up and emptied a large amount of cum in my pussy and the woman was cumming while I was lapping her pussy. I kept eating pussy and my husband replaced the guy and started to finger my dripping, cum filled pussy, then he ate me then shoved his hard again cock in my cream pie and came again in about 45 seconds. I mounted the woman so she could eat me and when I did this my husband got down and ate her pussy. But I told my husband he needed to clean my cum off the guy's cock. OMG he stopped licking her pussy and started sucking the guys cock!!! This was hot to watch and he did it long enough for the guy to cum in his mouth! Damn it! What a time for all.