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Interesting thread, thanks for posting. Like nearly anything related to sex here in sex-obsessed but sexually uptight America, I think the laws are kind of screwed up on this although they have been getting a bit better due to some high profile travesties of justice over the last several decades. We had one in our area a while back: star football player, younger girl, both in high school, one an "adult" one not (Senior and Freshman), consensual sex, and due to all the circumstances and mandatory sentancing he ended up with years and years in prison. That case along with others actually resulted in some changes to state law. A sad reflection on society that it took a star athlete to bring the injustice to light, since if it had just been some regular kid it wouldn't have made the news and nobody would have cared, but at least changes did get made. In that case, like many, there was some overzealous prosecution too from some total piece of shit prosecutor more interested in getting his name in the papers and furthering his political career than justice. That's way too often the case in these situations, but that's another subject. I understand the difficult in coming up with a one size fits all law since as others have pointed out, so much depends upon the individual and so there is no perfect solution. I think the "close in age" qualifiers that have become more common make a lot of sense and help strike a sensible balance between protecting against the reality that indeed sometimes someone much older is taking advantage of someone much younger versus someone just a little older but across some arbitrary age line having sex with someone younger than them. I also thing we have gone overboard with the "sexual predator" thing. Poor decisions that should just get someone fired are now decades in prison and then a ruined life trying to meet the sexual offender registry requirements on where one can live, etc. which are basically impossible in some cases. Again, there are indeed predators out there and kids need to be protected from them. But, there is a huge difference between predatory behavior and dumb behavior. I'm talking the cases you read about like a 18 year old high school senior having sex with some 23 year old teacher from the same school but not even in the same class. Yeah, sex through work, dumb decision like always, but not criminal in my opinion. Firing offense sure, criminal no as long as everything was entirely consensual, which is where some discretion from the justice system needs to come into play. I remember one case here a while back where it came down to when sex actually took place within just a matter of a day and whether the "victim" was officially still a student at that party or whether school was officially out and so therefore had graduated so everything totally cool since all consensual and over age of consent. Insane.

We had an awkward moment at a new nudist resort we wanted to try. We ran into our insurance agent and his wife and her female lover. Wife and I had no idea they were nudists, she was bi and both swingers. We all four turned red, clumsy about what to say, and then his wife's female lover started laughing and said well, now that the awkard moment is over, introduce me. For some reason, we all just suddenly relaxed, started laughing, talking, and had a good time.

Favourite positions girls? Doggy and anal doggy for me.

We are super sexual couple. The sex everyday kind. We just kinda started getting kinkier and kinkier. I know I wanted to explore a lot more, and I felt my wife did too. We definitely baby stepped our way into it. We do not at this point swing separately, it's a process. @Fi86 I think the single mother issues you bring up would make an interesting thread!!

Excitement I feel from being with new people and never being able to get enough sex. I lost my virginity and had sex with boyfriends from a young age and loved the sex. After having sex with a few different people and doing MFM I realised I actually enjoyed the thrill of having sex with different people more than I did being one boyfriend. Have sex with new people just thrills me in a way familiar sex doesn't. So I started looking at orgies and threesomes which lead to swinging, parties, gangbangs, etc. Things just evolved and as I became more confident I got more adventurous. As I get older I'm unfortunately realising the lifestyle conflicts with family aspirations though.

"Sounds like she was really happy about her independence and encouraged her to keep exploring her new sexual relationship." "Is there any way to nip this in the bud? Or is it probably too late?" lol

I should have called it reverse cowgirl, since I was doing a woman. Pull out is not a reliable method. Men never know when they are going to explode, plus pre-ejaculate cannot be felt by the male during intercourse, but it can impregnate. Spermicide will help. I think bc pills or iuds are #s 1 and 2.

We used condoms and prescription birth control. It's a good thing, too because one of the condoms did break/come off a few weeks ago when my wife was with her lover. She had no concerns at all about pregnancy. STDs but not being knocked up. When she goes off script birth control, we will then use condoms and spermicide/pull out and always have the morning after available from her ob/gyn. Have a great NYE and 2018!

Thank you for replying and taking part in the discussion. I agree with most points made. I think the keys are the maturity and preparedness of the child, and the age of the partner. I was ready at 13, but I knew of others that were not ready until 19-20. And if the girl wants to have sex with a boy she is going out with who is within a couple of years of her own age then that is very different to her consenting to a 40 yro man she met off the internet for example. I like the laws some countries have called "close in age". The age of consent in the UK is 16. I feel that's too high and 15 is the most common age to lose virginity here anyway. If I were prime minister I'd lower the age of consent to 14 (which it is in some other European countries) but make it close in age so the boy must be 16 or under so avoid the sex predators taking advantage, and leave the open age at 16. A lot of girls are ready and willing at 14-15, but should be protected from "dirty old men". But should feel restricted or just break the law like they currently do.

Let's see. I got my first handjobs and blowjobs at 15, from two different 16-year-olds. Lost my virginity at 16 to a 17-year-old who was also a virgin. Lost a condom at 17 and we went for the morning-after pill just to be safe, then my first bareback intercourse at 20 with a 29-year-old. Mrs. E gave her first blowjob at 14 on something like a dare, then came back around to handjobs later and lost her virginity at 17. Her mom had her convinced sex was something to avoid, she attempted settling down around 20, just when I started laying on the throttle with women. I don't think you can really say there's an age where it's magically "safe" and people are responsible. All you can do is try to protect young people who want to be more worldly and mature than they are from people who actually are worldly and mature and would take advantage of them. At 13-15, everybody is taking an interest and experimentation is healthy.

Well, this opens a big can of worms . . . In my mind, the age of consent differs with each person, and that person's potential partner. I've known women who can give reasonable consent as early as 15 or 16. Other women (because of mental stability and other factors) may never be able to give consent. 'Consent' should not be confused with willingness. A man - such as a teacher, a father, a law enforcement officer - may find a young woman willing, but because she is in some way controlled by the man, she is not able to reasonably consent. I would feel better about a young woman giving consent to a man close to her own age than with one who is quite a bit older. And of course, making all this into a reasonable legal code is nigh to impossible. And so, we have (in most states) the idea that a woman who is 18 years or older is deemed able to give consent, below that the man is at fault. Not a perfect solution, but if you can come up with a better one and convince the puritans out there, good luck! P.S. I lost my virginity as a 16 year old to a 17 year old woman. Yeah, I think her consent was valid morally if not legally.

luv2was, you say to pay attention to people who post things that resonate with us. Funny that you should say that as we, husband longer than me, have been reading the posts here and have found that YOU are one of a few who we both feel gives sound, considerate and honest feedback, so we both appreciate hearing your thoughts. Even your advice to others has been taken into consideration by the two of us for our own growth in exploring this lifestyle. You call my specific MFM scenario a ”train wreck that is waiting to happen”, and husband is concerned about this also. I, too have heard your words and, although I, in my rose-colored vision, think that with time, respect for everyone involved, yes-even the 2nd man’s wife, then this might work. If not, it was just a fantasy a few months ago, and no harm if that is all it stays. I’ve stated this to Husband many times since we started talking about it all. I do hope that through the “long game” we can find answers to whether he would literally be a cheater, which I agree with Husband in that we don’t want to break up a marriage. I would never want to be THAT WIFE, the one whose hubby is messing with another woman while I sit at home alone. 2nd man travels for work and is away frequently, so part of our journey is learning if he and his wife have an understanding. If they do not, then the whole scenario must be reassessed. We agree with you that this IS a team sport, and that is so true wth the both of us. We have been each other’s best friends since we were so young. We’ve had ups and downs, goods and bad’s, all the things the wedding vows say you’ll go through. We always have come out stronger on the other side, and we have been through some stuff! “It’s about the journey and not the destination”. luv2was… Amen. We have had so much growth during the past few months of talking about this with each other and the information we have learned here has been, at least for me, clarity. A tug to the blinders I may have on. In a perfect world, this man who I have known as an acquaintance for over 10 years, (a friendship developing for one or so); who lives far away and only comes to our area a few times a year and so eliminates the “desire of a quick fix”; and again, in a perfect world- has an understanding with his wife AND would not cause ripples in the pond of our mutual friends—this man, would be a perfect candidate. But damn! That is an awful LOT of stars to align for this to work! That is why it is, perhaps, just a fantasy. I hope that our long game provides the answers that we need. And thank you, again, for your guidance to us and others. You really seem to have it together

If this was her first time with other man there could be an element of guilt in the back of her mind. You have to reassure her that all is fine, she had fun and it was totally good with you. There might also be the concern that now that she had her's you might be wanting your's. Emotions of attachment and jealousy can run deep, keep the communications open and tell her how you feel.

AdamGunn, husband wants to say that he appreciates your understanding about his feelings on this scenario. We are not looking to break up his marriage or ours either. Part of our “long game” is to get to know the second man better, including his situation at home, as well as giving Husband time to come to grips with the stigmas that his upbringing has ingrained in him. He loves the idea of the MMF, but needs to learn how to let go of the guilt and shame he was taught to feel. As for man #2, he travels constantly for work, so he and the Mrs. may have an understanding, but maybe they don’t. These are things we need to know before we would proceed with this man. As for me developing feelings for him, we have known him as an acquaintance for over 10 years, and after a year of me fantasizing about him, I have not had even a tickle of anything but sexual desire for him. I’m perfectly happy at home, Hubs is my best friend and will be the whole of my heart and soul for life. I’ve been with him since I was a girl & I’ve got wrinkles and silver hairs now!? I do respect your thoughts on this and appreciate your support in wanting us to find a safe path on this journey. Thank you.

Vi, Thank you for your advice. I’m glad to hear that your adventures with friends has worked well for you. In reading the posts, they seem to run about 50/50. I am thinking of this particular man because he is familiar to us and because I believe he would be discreet, respect us and our marriage, and because he lives far away and is constantly traveling for work, would only be around a few times a year. A FWB that I get to play with hubby & him once in a while. My husband, at this time, has no interest in being with another woman. We had a FFM many years ago, so we have traveled this road before. I’m not sure, at this time, that I could watch him with another woman and we have no desire to go our seperate ways in this adventure. He loves the idea of seeing me handle himself and another man. I know that there may come a day when he changes his mind and wants to do a couples swap or an FFM, as nothing is set in stone, and through communication we will figure that out. I may be into it at that point too. I have asked him, in our current scenario, if he could handle an MMF knowing that I may never be comfortable with another woman, and at this point he has accepted this. If/when he changes his mind, we will talk and we will figure it out. Our #1 priority is honoring ourselves and our marriage. After all,we are walking this path together until the last page of our story is turned.

Fucking a woman with cum on her face is pretty specific, but cumming on a woman or anyone cumming on her is definitely turn-on for me, as well. I feel like I've mentioned this before, but a few months ago we got back together with our regular couple and when the other husband was done, he shot his load all over Mrs. E's chest. I jumped in to fuck her after with her legs on my shoulders and really enjoyed the view. She didn't tell me until later she was very self-conscious about the mess and kept trying to cover herself a little, which just made it worse: I thought she was intentionally smearing it all over her breasts. LOL.

I've had that situation two or three times, where I've gotten sloppy fourths. (By my definition, it all had to be in the same day.) Last time it happened I still remember, it was a quicky in the morning with the couple she's a third to, at lunch in the office of the guy who thinks I don't have sex with my wife and he's the only one, after work with the guy she gave sympathy sex to when his wife was pregnant and they continued it with his wife's knowledge, finally me at night. My wife still had enthusiasm (and so did I).

You have some pretty good input from others here so let me fill you in on the swing scene in Vegas. There isn't as much as one would think. No really great clubs like other cities have but there are some events held at larger homes you might check into. There is also a swing party every weekend hosted by PurrfectLV. Basically a meet and greet with a cash bar and dancing in a private venue. Off premise though so if you want to have some play time, you will need to go to the after party venue. After several annual trips to Vegas, we have found our best bets have been either a house party or meeting up witn other couples through one of the swinger sites. For example, create a profile on SLS (SwingLifeStyle.com) and post your trip in the Hot Date section for Las Vegas.

We have been swinging three months and mary hates condoms. We were invited to join a group of 15 couples. One of the requirements is one week before a party we all meet at the doctor who is in the group and be tested.