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We are on SLS and SDC and were on APG for about 5 years when we started back in Pa. We agree that finding compatible couples on the various sites is a challenge. We've found that Trapeze or TPA or TJ's is almost a sure thing for us. The problem is that any of those clubs require a weekend of time and considerable expense for travel and lodging. If we could get to an on premises club in an hour (or had one locally)we'd probably go twice a month and use the sites only to screen and set up club meetings. Since we can't do that, we use site emails to preliminarily screen potential playmates and to set up meetings. What we've learned is that that approach leads to more than a little frog kissing but depending upon where you live, it's often the only game in town. We don't use the sites to set up phone calls between the wives or Skype or webcam. Mrs Doc has appointed me "social director" and she trusts my initial judgements. She will look at the profiles that I've found and will give me the thumbs up/down but won't have any other involvement until we meet the couple somewhere public. If someone insists on talking to her first, its not going to happen and we'll move on. A few other things that causes her to put the brakes on is no kissing rules, having the women start and the guys join "later", bi-males, and the we want to be friends first and maybe THEN we'll progress a bit folks. We're on those sites for recreational sex with other couples not to make friends, although we have made a lot of friends. Or goal is to get naked and share orgasms, not meet the grandkids or go to Disney World. You'd think it'd be simple but it really isn't.

A voice helps verify someone is real, some people use Skype or video chat. Sometimes there are nuances I pick up on in a brief conversation that also weeds out a few more and saves trips for coffee.

I don't want to kik, talk on the phone, video chat, or exchange photos beyond what is in my and their profile. None of those things will let me know if there is an attraction, but 5 minutes over coffee will. So, I move quickly to an invitation to meet me for coffee. I'm not sure if I'm just lucky or if experience helps here, but only once have I had a meeting where I decided to decline the invitation to do more private things (and their profile was on the edge).

paddoc, your process (guy looks, wife approves or not) was pretty much our routine after we'd been in the pool awhile. The wife always had concerns about her physical attraction (she didn't think guys liked her) until she actually was in their presence. And she hated rejection. So I got to be the one that took the rejections. The only difference for us was that if we were going to meet another couple (vs. a single man) I insisted the girls talk together - I didn't want to waste a meet/greet night on a 'oh, sorry, the wife couldn't make it, she's sick, but I'm here!' I found that if the girls talked, even briefly, the chances of an actual meet skyrocketed.

I think a lot of men have tunnel vision feelings going into swinging. We like to think we can bang a string of ladies and have no problem with our wives jumping on some guys dick. We focus totally on the fun aspect of it with no consideration of the peripheral feelings. Then reality sets in and the terminally hard dick is asleep. He is wondering why his wife is having so much fun with this guy. Mother nature tortures us with the need to spread our seed and the conflicting need to possess our wife. Giving her up, if even for a few hours, can bring up never before dealt with feelings. Many men come out of their first experience thinking that it was not what they expected. It can wreck the confidence. A majority of men do not understand how other men can swing. Jealousy is a strong emotion, especially if rarely experienced. Analyze your relationship and your feelings on the LS. See if this is for you or was just a life experience.

A problem? Yes. More importantly it is something he recognizes and owns as an issue. Discovering things about ourselves is one of the big benefits of exploring the LS as far as I am concerned.

As I read through the story the notion that was coming into my mind is that the guy was typing while high on some drug.

Erik, you're right. We used SLS to find new playmates, and it was an exhausting process. I would say for every 100 contacts, you were lucky to find eight you were interested in, four of them led to meet for coffee dates, one or two of them became hot dates. You'll do much better by going to a club. But even so, we enjoyed the SLS chase. We eventually realized if they weren't ready to send a G-rated picture by the third email and if they weren't ready to meet by the 5th, it (probably) wasn't going to happen. But we did meet our favorite partners after it had gone on for months, so there's always the exception.

This 100%. SLS even seems to be full of them. All talk and when it comes time for their wives to chat they disappear.

No, it isn't any different. Straight people are straight and it's still sex even if there isn't a dick involved. Unless you, a straight man, are willing to let a man suck your cock, because, hey, it's just a blow job and if your eyes are closed do you really care, then taking the position that "women swingers play with other women" is not goingA to go well for you. I've never taken a comprehensive survey, but after 15 plus years I'd say there are slightly more bi women in swinging than in any equivalently sized random group. The remainder of "bi" women are what Kinsey referred to as incidentally homosexual, just with lots more opportunities for that incidental homosexual behavior. As the restrictions and social opprobrium regarding male/male play have eased, more men are identifying as bi or bi-curious and I'm guessing many of them are likewise only incidentally same sex inclined, but with a lot of opportunities. And, yes, there is a difference between bi as a sexual identity and "bi" as an accurate description of how you like to play. I can't think of any reason I'd turn down playing with a couple with a straight woman, although I'd be pretty insistent on knowing her boundaries (if we brush against each other, is that going to be problem?) and that's in a threesome. In a swap, it would be even easier.

With our first time not that long ago I know exactly what you mean about mixed emotions and being different than you imagined. We still have mixed emotions, but are both completely sure that we want to continue. Over the years we've obviously exchanged fantasies and most things have been covered and while I don't class myself as bi, I do appreciate another woman's body and although nothing was discussed before meeting about doing anything bi.....it just happened......more mixed feelings, because I'd be lying if I said that I didn't enjoy myself. Communication is key and as we've found out its key at all times.

We usually respond with a nice email that makes it obvious that we read their profile and ask them to read ours and let us know if they are interested (no open pictures yet). If they are interested, THEN we open the pictures and see if they are still interested (and hopefully they open their pictures as well). Sometimes there just is no interest or attraction based on looks...it happens and can't be taken personally. If there is still interested then we schedule a non-playing meet and see what happens from there. Opening your pictures too soon or quickly can be taken as a fake or picture collector. Just don't rush quite so much and realize that finding a four way match is hard and will take time to accomplish, it's all a numbers game...but it can totally be worth it when it happens. Good luck!

Maybe. The first is to be analytical about profiles and only message those you really do think would be a good fit. The second is to send an introductory email saying what you like about their profile without asking for or giving access to photos. If someone's first approach to me includes anything but a soft ask, I say we wouldn't be a good fit. In other words, I instantly reject anyone who, in the first email, asks for photos, gives me their kik or email address, etc., because it feels like pressure and an insistence on doing it their way. I assume that will translate into sex, because people tend to be consistent, so I'm not going to even try.

True that. There are at least two consequences. 1. Kind discourse stands out. Manners matter. The most attractive people are rarely the best looking, the "hottest" appearing. Rather, they are the ones who are engaged and engaging. 2. Civility can be confused with something more. Simple acts such as bringing a hostess gift or writing a thank-you note should not be confused with romantic gestures. Unfortunately, social graces have become rare in contemporary American society such that no one knows how to discriminate much less respond. Etiquette provides a framework for relationships.

That sounds ridiculously sexy!

The late, great British-American radio and television commentator, Alistair Cook, sometimes commented that there is no rule that says you are going to like your friends' friends. Out of your own life's experience in the vanilla world I'm sure you know this to be true. A meeting of three couples is always at least a little bit awkward, even if all know each other. Not knowing one couple increases the possibility of awkwardness. We have gone into such meetings with success. But these meeting have all be at the suggestion of one particular couple whom we have known for a long time and in whose judgement we trust. So, whether you do it or not depends, I suppose, on how adventurous you are feeling.

I've never noticed any hesitations on just giving a woman oral sex after someone else has done the same for her, or even after she's been penetrated by someone else, but I think there is a lot of "it depends" involved too. Giving a woman oral simultaneous with penetration or after he's cum in her if it's bareback sex, i.e. creampie, then I think that's a bridge too far for many guys. On all the scenarios, I suspect it's a subjective mental thing on how much "separation" there is between the male and female. If her pussy had a cock in it 10 minutes ago, then not a problem. If he just pulled out two seconds ago, then problem. Where that line gets drawn, if at all, just depends on the individual and their preferences.

I hope you married that girl! She sounds like a gem.