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I met my fiance online on a traditional site two years ago. I was able to communicate in my profile that I wanted a relationship that had a swinging component. Over the last two years we have joined a swinging site that we quickly abandoned and attended a couple of clubs. I have felt like, at times, that we weren't on the same page in what we wanted. My desire was to have the kind of relationship that I've seen other couples have that I had played with as a single male. I'm not naive, I realized that it would take some time, communication and a strong foundation to get there. Being over 50 I put it all out there and told this woman that I had certain expectations, I was very detailed in how I saw a relationship progressing and I was certainly open to anything she wanted in a relationship including marriage if my needs and desires were willingly and enthusiastically met. The first year was devoted to building the relationship and talking about the possibilities. Like I said we joined a site and quickly abandoned that having recognized that we weren't ready and the online thing is kind of overwhelming. Going into the second year we visited an on premise club a few times. The first time was fun with ourselves. Another time she let a guy touch her a little while she blew me. After that it was disastrous. Nothing happened on several occasions and I was blaming her. I felt like she didn't want to do this. It has caused some tension to say the least. We recently talked about trying again and we went out on a recent Saturday: Saturday morning M(my fiance) made a couple comments about feeling turned on, teased me a little but told me I had to wait til we went out. She even made some Jello shots for us to take along. She wore a lace Teddy with a skirt and a sweater. Her tits were barely covered. She wore her gold Jimmy Choos and she knew she looked hot. We got there early, about 9:30 and several couples were already there. We sat down fairly close to another couple. We'll call them H and R. I tried talking to them a couple of times, tried making eye contact with H. H was a cute blonde, curvy. R was a regular guy. No Ken and Barbie but easy on the eyes. She was probably late 40s he maybe a little older nearly identidal to our ages. Responses were short and glances were quick though. There didn't seem to be a lot of interest. B and E walked in and asked if anyone was sitting next to us. B was a decent looking guy, Emily was of Asian descent, maybe Filipino. I'd say both mid 40s. They were carrying several bottles including a bottle of Tito's. M, my fiance immediately said sure, anyone with a bottle of Tito's was welcome to join. The sweater hadn't come off yet because it was actually kind of chilly since the place wasn't full yet. We talked to B and E for a while, M was relaxed and flirting a little. She even asked about them, how often they came, what they were in to, stuff like that. They were into anything basically and asked about us. M just said we were still figuring that out but open to most anything. At one point B noticed, no he had already noticed, he mentioned M's tits looking good. I think he actually said something about the girls wanting to come out to play. We talked a little more and they got up to walk around. M was feeling good. By this time the club was filling up and the seating was limited. I had noticed a couple about our age standing outside of our little area. We had a corner with a couple of seats left. M was getting warm and had taken off the sweater. She got up to go to the bathroom. I told her to let that couple know that we had a little room by us. She did and they came and sat down. This was E and K. E was a tall guy nothing special in the way of looks, almost a little dorky. K was a knockout. Very fit, straight shoulder length blonde hair, great smile. She was wearing tight black pants and a kind of leather bustier that showed of a great slim figure. M came back sat down and we talked to E and K for a while. Not much in the way of flirting. M mentioned how hot K was but it just didn't seem like it was going anywhere. We would find out soon why. B and E came back, left again, came back. Each time they would leave M would tell them something like "hurry back!". She had a Jello shot and made a show of sucking it out of the cup for B. He commented on her skills and she asked for some of his Tito's to finish cleaning the cup out. I was really liking the flirting that was going on. We talked to them for a while and tried to involve E and K but they didn't seem interested. E & K soon excused themselves and headed to the back to see, they said, if anything was happening. We talked to B and E some more and B asked if we would like to walk to the back to check things out and see if anything was happening yet. M, to my surprise, just about jumped up and said sure, lets go see. We walked in the back near to what we knew to a private room with a just a King sized bed in it. There were a few people standing around inside and B said there was a St. Andrews cross in there. M didn't know what that was so I quickly explained it to her and she wanted to go see it. She likes being tied up. We walk in and there is E sitting on the bed and K is tied up to the cross by the hands facing out with a scarf over her face. She is completely nude and her body is even hotter naked. Some woman was playing with her a little and she left. M and E both stepped up and started touching her. M licked and sucked her tits. B asked E if only the girls were allowed to play and he said no anyone could. B stepped up and touched her all over. He started rubbing her pussy and she loved it. He stuck a finger in her and I think he was able to make her squirt. After that, E squatted down, put her legs on her shoulders and ate her out. I finally got a chance to touch her. Her tits felt amazing so I licked and sucked them a little while E was eating her. I turned around and M had made her way over by B. We walked out together and went to the Voyeur room area. The Voyeur room is a sunken den with a railing just wide enough for two couples to stand and watch. There are some couches and a big bed in the actual area. As we walked up to the rail M had maneuvered her way in front of B. She reached back for my hand for some reassurance. I squeezed it and let go. B leaned into her a little and M reached back to feel him. He turned her around and they started kissing. E had pulled me closer so she could feel my hard cock on her ass. I turned her around and started kissing her. She wasn't too much into the kissing. M was really in to kissing B. (Kissing was something we had had several discussions on. I like kissing and she does too. She was afraid of that it first but we agreed it was an integral part of getting turned on so eventually decided it was OK, we would give the green light and revisit it at an appropriate time if it bothered either one of us.) During the "making out" M was making all the right noises that told me she was getting really turned on. She reached up and put one hand on the back of his head, a sure sign she wanted more. She likes it aggressive once she gets going. B saw E and K leaving the private room and asked if we should go grab it. M and E both said Yes! We get in the private room and close the door. B grabs M and they start kissing again. Keep in mind, all this time I'm busy with E but that's really not what I was focused on then or writing about now. E starts unbuttoning my jeans and I see M doing the same thing with B. M pulls B's cock out, squats down and starts licking him then sucking him. I hear her tell him at one point he's got a really big cock and she can't wait to feel it inside of her. By this time E is sucking me and it's honestly all I can do not to cum because I'm so turned on watching M. I had to stop E several times. She kept pulling me in wanting me to fuck her face. I would make a few strokes and then I'd have to stop. M stood up and climbed up on the bed and asked B how he wanted her. B dove in and started eating her pussy. She gets really turned on giving head and she likes receiving for a bit but then she just wants penetration. At this point M was so turned on she wanted B to fuck her. She asked him a couple of times to fuck her and he finally got the message. I had been eating Emily's pussy. I stuck a finger in her and made her squirt. B had tried to make M squirt as he was licking her pussy, she got close but she's never squirted before. I think she's embarrassed by it and doesn't want to make a mess. E eventually hands me a condom signalling she's ready to fuck. I start fucking her but I'm really more focused on M at this point. E's pussy is really tight and I'm fighting off cumming too quick so I pull out and restart several times. I actually apologized to E later when we went back out to the main area and got a drink. I explained to them it was our first swap and I was really worked up. Anyway, M is just about begging B to put his big, hard cock in her and fuck her. He puts a condom on, enters her and I think she had her first orgasm almost immediately. B was really aggressive the way M likes. She kept telling him to give it to her, fuck her harder. After hearing this for several minutes can't take it anymore and get my nut with E. I hear M orgasm again. Feeling bad about E, I go down on her for a bit but then she rolls over and starts sucking M's tits. B tells E to rub M's clit. Robert keeps talking about how tight M's pussy is and even says he can feel her pushing him out so he knows she might be wanting to squirt. I'm still hard so I crawl up on the bed closer to M and start kissing her and telling her how hot it all is. She tells me she wants my cock in her mouth. So...M is sucking my cock and licking my balls while B is fucking her and E is sucking her tits and rubbing her clit. M cums again. B asks how many times she's cum and she says three. He tells her he's going to make her cum again and he's going to cum with her. She enthusiastically said "go for it". She cums again and so does he. He pulls out, puts a couple fingers in her and I see her squirt all over his hand. Fucking AWESOME! We get up, get dressed and M is completely cool. She's laughing about finding clothes talking about getting a good fucking, everything I had hoped for. We get back out to where we walk out and I ask her if she's OK. She assured me she's fine and she obviously enjoyed it. She tells me that B had a really big cock and that she liked the way he fucked her. She seems all good with it. She Still does several days later. We went back out and sat down. H gets friendly all of a sudden. She asks if we had fun and M immediately says Yes! We start talking with them. R is kind of quiet but H is now a bundle of energy. She comes and sits next to M. They are brand new. Only their third time out to a club since November. they're not sure of their swapping situation. They've had one soft swap but said they would be willing to full swap if they found the right couple that let them move at their pace. M told H some of our history and that we just had our first full swap. They talk some more. R is kind of joining the conversation but not situated where I can talk to him very well but he is listening to M and H. B and E come out and sit down. Like I said, I kind of apologized to them and explained why. They were excited about being our first. We talked some more. They got up and went to the back again. H and R got up and went to the back for a few minutes. They came back, sat down and said B and E were on one of the open beds with E and K. B is a fucking machine apparently. We talked some more. H said she wanted to go back again and see what else was going on and asked us if we wanted to go. We ended up at the rail at the voyeur room again just watching. We watched a several couples and a pair of threesomes were going on. The semi private beds were all taken so we just watched everything A pair of couples got done on the semi private beds. H had expressed an interest in the bed but obviously wanted it cleaned up. Someone came right away and changed the sheets. They walked over and grabbed the bed. By this time M's feet were hurting in those Jimmy Choo stilletos so We sat down in a couple of chairs for a minute. M said she had hoped they might invite us to join but they didn't make any gestures or anything so we went back out and started gathering stuff up and talked about waiting for them to finish so we could at least tell them bye and maybe get a number. About the time M sits down she says "oh, There's R, he's motioning for us to come back" We go back and get on the bed with them. M tells me she just wants me to fuck her to finish of the night. We fuck while H and R fuck right next to us. M tells me she still likes my cock best and loves me more than anything but she really did have fun. We finish up. Get dressed, go out and sit down and the lights come on. It's 3am! We walk out, H asks when we'll be back and says they'd like to see us again. M tells them she is going out of town, and probably won't have another chance to get out again for several weeks. H seems disappointed but m asks for H's phone number and tells her she'll be in touch. They texted on the way home telling M how much they enjoyed meeting us and they hope we can meet again when she gets back because we are the kind of couple they have been hoping to meet. So, that's about it. It was a good night. We've fucked several times and M has mentioned something about that night almost every time. It really turns her on. I really hope this wasn't the best it gets. It almost seemed to be too perfect. I know they won't all be like this but I don't want all the next times to be anti climactic to this.

The wife and I have been here a few times and always had a great time. This last time was for the Valentines party and was it packed!! We got there around 10pm so the only tables left were in the smoking section back by the pool table . Anyway, they had a mix of music but played WAY too much hip hop for my taste . Around midnight we moved to the "play" area that has several beds (attendant changes sheets), 3 beds with large viewing windows, a sex chair, a clit vibrating saddle, a HUGE multi-couple beanbag chair and a sex swing, The swing was free so I immediately took the wife to it and undressed her. Now, we are new to swinging so she just allows me to fuck her in front of others on the back beds so her fucking in the middle of the room on the swing was a BIG step. Anyway, I put her in the swing and she leaned all the way back where her head was pointing to the floor. I brought a lipstick vibrator and started to play with her clit while eating her out now and then and she was going crazy . People started to stand around us and I LOVE showing off her body. She has D size cups (man made) and a nice landing strip that I was showing everyone that wanted to see. A couple walked to the front of her and the woman leaned down telling her she was sexy and touching my wife's breast.....she didn't object and I could tell she was cumming. WOW, what a HUGE step. I then took her to one of the beds and fucked her till she came again along with me. WHAT A NIGHT!! We got home about 2am and hit the hay but the next day she said she got up around 6am so horny and used the vibrator again......I think she's starting to loosen up.....what you all think? Also, I highly recommend this place so if you're in SA you may want to stop by and have some fun

Rob is 56 and I am 35 with a 20 year and 3 month age difference. We definitely have had troubles connecting with couples at times when the other couple are about the same ages. With 55-55 age couples, the women seem to be threatened (?) by me and the men Rob's age can be pushy to get going with the sex. Rob thinks younger women my again can be concerned that he is their father's age and are turned off. We have better success with couples who in their 40's to split ages between Rob's and mine. It's more difficult than we ever thought it would be for two couples (4 people) to all connect and get along with each other in the lifestyle. Julie

SDC has a group called “Age up, Age Down” You can socialize and meet with couples with about the same age gap as you both have.

Swinging is all about honesty, trust, love, communication. Cheating is the exact opposite...deception, disrespect, sneaking, and lies. We want good honest couples that we want to be around and have a good time with. We want to be able to trust them the same way we trust each other.

It sounds like a great setup! I would just utilize the online sites like SLS or whatever is most popular in your area and go from there. I think if it was me though, even though I had a great place at home to host, I still would set up initial meets somewhere public like a restaurant or bar. Not everyone you meet is going to be compatible, so work on getting your circle of compatible swinging friends built up and then use that to host some great parties

This is the correct answer here. Who cares what you call it.

I don't know....I do not want to be....how do you say in English...debbie downer(learned that one last week...I'm French), but what your husband is looking for sounds a lot like a cuckold relationship. Now I've read a lot of threads about that topic and I have developed a strong opinion about it because I sensed a lot of untold truths about those relationships. Men and women in hotwife or cuckold relationships, when they start, very often are blown away by how great it works for both. But to believe that the way a woman feels about her husband, how she sees him, how much she wants and desires him, her lust and respect for him, will be the same after she’s had 10 or 20 solo dates, packed with amazing sex and very powerful emotions due to the fact that they are alone away from her husband, with well endowed exciting males is being very naïve. I’m 62, I’ve had amazing women in my life and I noticed that very often when a single woman admired and respected me, she wanted to at the very least go on a date, sometimes to fuck me right there. Eventually the husband becomes the partner everywhere but in the bedroom, the sex at home is tell me about your date with a handjob, or bj, or 30 seconds of intercourse because he’s been fantasizing for hours. I’m sure in some couples it may work for a few years, a husband with low libido, ED problems, has simple needs, maybe with a strong bi side, the wife is happy with the outside sex and the financial safety of her hubby, etc…they all say they love each other until she leaves..if that what you and your husband want? On some websites, the number of hotwife and cuckold posts by deleted profiles is ridiculously high. And please don’t mention love. The wife will still feel some form of love for her husband, but the respect and admiration will have taken a serious blow. In my 30+ years in the LS I’ve seen too many of my good friends start as swingers with their wives and slowly evolve to hotwifing or cuckolding only for their couple to crash, sometimes within months with all the pain and drama that goes with it. Be very careful….

Although the late Mrs. Alura I had only a little experience, Pacergirl, I can tell you what seemed to work best. It's best not to make this an early experience on a play-date. Take a load in your pussy from both men, one at a time. You need to be well-lubricated. Rest and have a drink before going for The Main Event. When the men are ready again, or sooner if you have two unused men at hand, do what you have to do to get Man Number One seated on a couch with you impaled in reverse-cowgirl fashion. Lie back in his arms. Raise and spread your knees, resting your feet on Man Number One's thighs. Man Number Two, if you chose properly, will open your labia with his tongue, visiting your clit often as Man Number One pumps you. Their goal will be to make you come. Keep your guys informed of your progress. Just before the climax starts, Mrs. Alura was likely to say,"NOW, I WANT BOTH COCKS NOW!!!" Man Number Two will raise and lay his penis atop Man Number One's, who will reach around your body and use Man Number Two's cock to press his own toward the back of your vagina. Point your toes at the chandelier, relax your vagina and the second cock will glide in for you. Let us know how it goes!

I would have killed the motherfucker. We are so sorry this happened to you.