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I don't think other couples have to "give up" their husbands for an evening. Having been to a few similar parties myself, I've seen the wives participate as "fluffers", or if they are bisexual, they can play among themselves. Many, including myself, find watching just as erotic and engaging. In my experience too, single guys are very flaky, unless you have a club or a group planning it for you.

I'm a firm believer that the easiest path to any swinging scenario is through having couples as swinging friends. When you have that, all sorts of combinations open up and you are already well past the starting line since you know that there is already attraction and chemistry there. I don't think it would be selfish as long as you are willing to return the favor for them sometime, which I'm sure you would be. Whether they decide they want to try a gangbang too, or a threesome, or whatever other way you all can help each other out. Back to point number one, I will bet your no-show rate on single guys is going to be way way higher than with guys who are already part of a swinging couple. That's the drawback that first comes to mind. Sorry, can't help you with the DVP and condoms question. That one is still on my bucket list.

We had a blast! Went to a LS club in OKC last night for the first time not knowing what to expect. I was thinking it would be much smaller with an older and cliquey crowd of 10-15 couples max. This place was huge and packed with 100-150 people. Great DJ, huge spread of finger foods, majorly diverse crowd. We dressed to impress and it showed. We had tons of people approach just to introduce themselves and chat. Nobody was pushy or creepy. Everyone was having fun and we felt instantly comfortable. OF COURSE, our first night we ran into a couple I know from my vanilla life. ? This also happened at our first BDSM club foray in Denver. They walked up, said hi, and chatted for a bit. Neither him or her had met my wife until that time. His wife was totally into mine and came back naked later to tell her she was the hottest girl at the club and fawned over her. I thought we'd probably see someone at some point because we are pretty well known in general for vanilla life stuff but not the first night! ? It actually made the whole evening more comfortable tbh. We ended up sitting with some wives for most of the night and people watching. All in all, it was an amazing night. We are looking forward to attending again at the next event in two weeks. The BYOL was awesome too. We'd have spent twice the entry fee in liquor on a normal club night. The no pressure feeling was awesome too. Usually when my wife is alone at a bar, either me going to the restroom or when she does, she has constant pressure from guys and here it was never like that or uncomfortable for even a second. We were both pleased and ready for the next one.

I had noted before that we were part of that 50%. I cheated and then she cheated. Our cheating brought us closer once the truth was out. The honesty led us to swinging. Prior to taking that step we opened up and discussed the people we cheated with. Mrs Angel belongs to a site for affairs. A few times my wife showed me guys she was chatting with. She asked for my opinion. I was curious to see how she acts with the men she met. We never asked any to join us. She never mentioned to them that I knew. The conversation led us to meeting our only couple. I know we aren’t typical.

Agreed. Just watching is even more erotic. I seldom noticd the wives/Gfs of the men even in the same area and in some cases when they are they are very supportive of the lady. My wife kind of "fell into" one and I noticed the different techniques of the guys. All were great.

Reading my response from two years ago I feel that it was a little harsh. I don't like the negative or violent connotation that the term exudes, although it does imply consent. Otherwise it would be called "gang rape." Club rub. I like that.

1) Friends don't let friends use Craig's List. CL will frustrate you with it's 10,000 to 1 ratio of flake advertisers to earnest advertisers. 2. Going to a few meet-n-greet events is a good way to meet and talk to swingers in a no-pressure social setting. 3. I would typically recommend a party at a swingers' club but conversations here at swingers board hint strongly that the clubs in Arizona are not very good clubs. I hope this helps.

We have a friend in NYC who has hosted multiple man parties where it is about 5 to 1 men to women. He doesn’t call it a gangbang because he thinks that term has negative connotations. The parties vary with the attendees. You can check on SLS or other sites if GB parties are available. It is difficult to set it up yourself. A lot of no shows and flakes.

People always want to make this so much harder than it needs to be: ASK THEM. Say something like "we really enjoyed meeting you and wanted to get to know you both better. Tell us about your style of play and interests in general". Either they will or they won't. Either way you will know what you need to know. Good luck.

We met friends from a Bliss cruise in Texas and New Orleans. Offer to meet for a long weekend in a mutually convenient place. If they say no, you know where you stand and you tried.

Put a hot date on SLS or SDC.

I don't count, it can be impossible to keep track at gangbangs and greedy girl nights anyway. Before I was 18 and starting swinging regularly I'd had sex with 16 guys and 2 girls. After 13 years of swinging attending parties, meeting couples online, shagging friends and their friends, and the occasional gangbang... God knows. Say 40-50 men and 10-20 women a year, so average 60 py. 13 years, plus those before... Shit that would be around 800! I'm not totally sure about that it's probably a bit less. I'm sure it's over 500. Christ I hadn't tried to work this out for years this is actually a small surprise. I definitely feel like a slut now!

I'm in a poly family and we have a lot of good sex, but my number of different partners is low - five guys and six women (I got into girls once I became comfortable with hubby playing). I now live with two of the guys and two of the women, and we girls share one outside boyfriend as well. So although I haven't had many different partners, we've swapped around among the same group a bit.

Or am I just getting cynical? I've been lurking the board and have enjoyed the conversations and useful information. Wife and I have been enjoying the lifestyle off and on for ten years. Between kids and other obligations, finding time for adult fun is often difficult. We both agreed to take one day out of a month to enjoy the clubs. Last night we went to a club in Houston and was quite disappointed. Although lately we have witnessed some of these behaviors in New Orleans, Dallas and Austin. 1. Since when is it ok to open a closed door to a private room? Single men, I'm talking to you. Often times couples need "preparation time". Myself, I'm not young anyone so a warm up period of the nether regions is required. Same can be said for the women. Wait for the door to open. Don't diminish a slim chance you might have. 2. Touching others without permission? Voyeurs like to watch and some like to be watch. Don't ruin it for everyone. Wait for some type of positive signal before taking such liberties. 3. What is going on with the LOUD conversation not related to the situation at hand? VIP areas and private rooms or connecting hallways not the proper place for banter. Take it to the common areas! 4. If you enter a play area or accept a invite, men--- be ready to play! I know that hydraulics fail at times. However seems the wife and I have been batting below .500 past couple months with other men. Awkward for everyone! Stop masturbating a few days, get some ED pills, stop watching porn for a week, etc (not judging, I've had to take this advise myself) Also, if you are in the meet and greet area and haven't talked to your significant other in an hour, why are you in the club? If you don't talk to each other, no one will approach you for a conversation. This is how perceived "cliques" get started. People want to mingle and talk to each other. If an open effort is not made, you won't meet anyone. Sorry for the rant. We are extremely busy. The few opportunities we have at play seemed ambushed in one way or the other the past few months by others lack of consideration. Off my soap box, just had to get this off my chest.