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Hello. Welcome to The Swinger's Board! We've done Dp and DVP. Once you are able to accomplish a double penetration, coming isn't usually an issue. Maybe after you have done it a dozen times, and know how to start and continue comfortably you can reach an orgasm. In the beginning, it's more of a total and literal cluster fuck. Trying to stay hard while giggling is difficult. You can't go into a DP thinking "Oh, this is going to be SO hot". It's best if both guys know each other pretty well and there is no homophobia. Everyone has to have a open mind, be uninhibited and able to laugh at failure. Once everyone is rocking together and all is going well, there is still going to be one guy who is struggling to keep the party going. You can always tell a difficult position when it isn't even that easy looking in porn. If you watch, you will be able to see a guy who's thighs are on fire, a guy who has trouble staying in or staying hard. Honestly, in the dozens of DPs I've been involved with, I came once. And the other guy came a few minutes later. Never together. She on the other hand, came and came and came, every time.

You are quite correct. 1. Finding that elusive 4 way chemistry take some time. 2. Couples come into...and nearly all eventually leave...the lifestyle. Your post suggests that you are looking for something more than playmates--you found a couple that you (thought you) genuinely like. And now you have received conflicting signals. You have received good advice here--when conflicting signals persist, time to move on. Continue your search. There is a couple somewhere for you.

You just got introduced to DRAMA which is an occupational hazard you should try to avoid when involved in this hobby. As you get more experience you may recognize that you two dodged a bullet with this couple. Time to move on.

Well I am most intrigued by what a top 5 swinger profession is and why it would bother anyone. If you want to be a swinger, you need to have a thicker skin and a wider net. You are going to get rejected more than accepted. Lord knows why people say no. My newest theory, hatched today, is that my wife is very attractive and it is intimidating other wives. But who knows. Maybe it’s me. The couple you selected as playmates obviously has issues. Wipe the slate clean and find another couple. You can find them on line, at a club, meet and greet or party. Rinse and repeat.

My wife won't let me try putting two dildos in her pussy after we tried it the first time. I've never gone past four fingers. My hands are too large to fit into her. I think it's just a porn fantasy. I felt a little uncomfortable when my body touched his incidentally when we had had a threesome with my wife together on the same bed. In my opinion cocks rubbing and touching might feel good enough to make someone want to do it again.

I called up a massage therapist and asked her if she would screw me with a strap-on. She hesitated then agreed. An hour later I was in her parlor bent over getting my butt screwed. We became close friends and she took me on as her houseboy.

This is a perennial concern. Here is the situation. 1. What happens among consenting adults is a lot less scandalous than the usual reported behaviors: cheating, sex for money, etc. 2. Taboo becomes mainstream over time. For example, going to a nude beach or resort used to raise eyebrows. Not so much any more. People are increasingly open about various aspects of sexuality. 3. A bit of discretion goes a long way. So there are really two issues. 1. You might run into someone you know at a swing venue. Or someone who knows someone you know. They are there at a Swing Club or event for the same reason. There's no percentage in 'outing' you. Just have a plan--quietly acknowledge their presence (so they know that you have spotted them), exchange a simple "good evening" and move on. Pretend they are not there. 2. You find a couple you like, you end up seeing each other and you are at a restaurant or some other public place and someone you know (co-worker, neighbor, pastor) comes up to you and says" hi". Just introduce your new friends. If asked how you met, give the standard response "Oh, John and Mary are friends of friends." Bottom line, be respectful, be discreet. People pay you little mind. It's especially true if you're a little older and fairly conservative in dress and manner. Candidly, your biggest risk is outing yourselves. People will ask why you're so bouncy and happy on Monday when they have had an ordinary weekend. Just smile and respond "quality time with my spouse!". Most swingers are not openly swingers for the simple reason that potential playmates might be concerned about being outed and steer clear. Once and again, discretion matters.

It's a common and valid concern, but I think that the risk of meeting someone you know who will not only recognize you but will also deliberately cause you trouble afterwards by spreading the word or whatever, is quite small.

Well, since you play in a small community, you're likely to get caught. If you go to a club 30 minutes away, you're getting away from your small community. The chances are slim (but not impossible) that you'll bump into someone you know. And remember, if somebody recognizes you at a club, you're going to recognize them. If they out you, they'll out themselves. It's really not a worrisome as it seems.

If I already know them then I'll always go bareback. Otherwise I'll only go unprotected if I'm confident they're trustworthy. For example I'd make a single 18 year old "wanna fuck anything" type guy use a condom, but a well presented, polite, married man with his wife who probably has a family I'd be a lot more trusting of, and would probably go bareback with if he wanted to.

Mrs Doc says that there will always be someone older, fatter and uglier than us anytime we're at Haulover or any other nude venue. You discovered that truism on your very 1st visit. The first time we went to Haulover (more than 10 years ago) we were surprised at how many gay males were on the beach. As with most things, we found that the more visits we made to that beach, the more "normal" it all seemed. Go back, your comfort level will increase and your b/f will see some hotties.

In 1969, I was in Europe and lucky enough to be at the Isle of Wight Music Festival. It was England's answer to Woodstock. Many of the same artists were featured. Some friends, including myself, went to the beach where we found a waterfall coming off the rocky cliff. We all showered. Air-drying afterwards, we watched a fellow who would approach a nude lady walking along the beach and ask her if she'd care to have sex in the sand. Most didn't answer, but pushed beyond him and continued on their way. One, however, stopped, looked him in the eye for a moment. Then she stepped into his arms and delivered an enormous kiss. She stepped back from the encounter and said, "No, thank you," and went on her way, leaving his penis waving at the horizon. This has nothing to do with the question, but I thought I'd share the experience.

I answered "we enjoy it but only if it's anonymous." Truth is we enjoy it, but we don't want to offend. I don't care if someone sees me, but I am concerned with making others uncomfortable. I love to hike and relax in nature naked, but not if others clothed are around. Swimming or getting naked on our boat are a real pleasure, but again not if it offends others. I know, we shouldn't be so concerned with others, but I prefer to avoid hassle when i can. I wish there was more clarity and acceptance, even signs that clearly allow nudity at places like beaches, natural hot springs, back packing camps, or remote hiking places.