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I think couples interested in swinging too often make "rules" which inhibit the experience. True, swinging is about new experiences. But it's also about the feeling of the freedom to make personal choices without fear of one's spouse's wrath. Mrs. Alura and I agreed that we'd never "make love" with another, that we'd restrict our experiences to "fun fucking." It was an easy promise to make and to keep.

I too always give a warning. Mrs Doc is a swallower, particularly if she's really in the moment but she also prefers a warning so she can decide if she wants to swallow of have him cum on her boobs. Sometimes its a tough call……..

Agreed! We make love to one another, we boink our friends. That doesn't mean that there aren't tender moments with friends but depth of feelings remain between us. On a side note, we've reduced our rules to just a few, same room to start (1st time anyway), no anal, no pain or humiliation and ladies cum 1st. Damn…we really ARE easy!!

It sounds like both ladies were satisfied. I don’t understand why anyone is angry. Your husband pleased her and when he saw or heard that you weren’t satisfied he came to the aid of the the most important person in the room, his wife. Let’s face it, not all guys can go forever. I will be the first to admit I have cum before I wanted to. I wouldn’t be upset if someone else jumped in to finish what I couldn’t. We play with friends, cumming fast is what it is. You are playing with strangers, if they are angry then move on. It was just a night. There will be other nights with other people.

We had a very similar experience with our first date. The couple was not at all who they represented themselves to be online. This is not unlike vanilla dating. Guys and gals say what they think you want to hear based on your profiles in hopes of getting laid or even getting married. You spend hours crafting a perfectly worded bio that leaves no room for misinterpretation. Then you spend hours browsing other profiles looking for a match. Then you spend days flirting and communicating back and forth, finally setting up a M&G and the other couple isn't who they told you they were, don't respect your limits and act as if you did something wrong. It can get frustrating. It did to the point with us that we just don't even go online. That wasn't said to give you despair rather it was said to give you hope. We originally(me more specifically) referred to these obstacles as failures but that's been redefined. We don't have failures anymore. When we get to have sex with others it is a payoff but overcoming these obstacles and growing as a couple and individually because of it are the greatest successes in this hobby of ours.

My husband and I, even back when we were dating, started out in the swinging world by being exhibitionists and voyeurs. We both always loved having sex in front of open hotel windows (yeah, I know, I don't necessarily recommend it). Its good fun. We eventually upgraded our play to soft swaps (touching, etc), MFM and the very rare full swap (only two times so far), but 90% of our experiences are simply having sex in the same room as another couple or couples. Watching and being watched is a great starting point. I'll never forget our first visit to a swinging club when we just simply watched people and eventually got it on ourselves in front of others. Even now, when we get a hotel somewhere, we often get double beds just in case we meet another couple or somebody to bring back to the room.

To answer your second question first, I think it's limiting your options considerably with other couples "swingers". You'll find plenty of guys that are available however so that part of it should not be a problem. Just figure out how you want to do it. A cruise ship isn't likely to have many single guys. A club on certain nights will allow a limited number. Dating sights are full of them but expect to be inundated with communications. If your husband likes to watch you in all aspects such as flirting then you can go out to regular bars, sit apart to see who you might attract, hotel bars are a good place for this but be aware once you attract a guy's attention he may bolt when he finds out what you are up to. Is it selfish? That depends on the two of you. If he truly doesn't want anything else then no, it's not. He needs to be completely honest about that though. Some guys think that if they let their wife have what she wants then she will give in to him later. That's a recipe for disaster. Only he can know the truth, and perhaps at this point he doesn't know for sure. Why don't you like the idea? Jealousy? Just don't find that to be a turn on? Some other reason?

My advice, honestly don't worry about the ffm right now. Have and enjoy your mfm. The lifestyle is all about comfort. The more you play the more comfortable you guys will be. Once she has had the opportunity to play with another man (men) and she realizes both of your feelings for each other are unchanged she will likely be less concerned with you being with another women. You always read move at the slowest persons pace. If she is okay with mfm and your turned on by the idea... start there.

A lot would depend on everything leading up to the point you'd like to show off to him. The conversation, any flirting, the drinks, etc... But when you feel the time might be right, I'd think you should smile, look at him and then your husband, and ask if either, and I repeat 'either', gentleman would object to a nude female getting a better tan.

Impossible for me to think of a "best", but for a while, a few years actually -we got into a groove that seems like one long happy orgy to me now that I looking back on it. My favorite time. We use to roller blade along alki beach, (we lived only a couple of blocks off that beach) run, fly big kites, play v-ball etc, so on the weekends anywhere from two to eight couples we played with all the time would congregate at the house, and basically share all that with us. Sometimes new friends would wander in too, usually there was quite a bit going on. It was a very organic, relaxed thing, and especially in the summer time when we had weekend long 'partys' (nothing planned , all very informal) everyone having sex with everyone else in between all the fun on the beach. We would go out to this funky yummy little place for breakfast all together, go back home for a mid morning romp or to complete facinations unrealized from the night before. Then we might go blading or something fun like that, then go to lunch or all help make it naked, then more sex, maybe a nap -and between having sex -having fun out and about and blading or other fun was like long never ending foreplay with each other. Sensuous, hedonistic, horny and hot times. Relaxed, sultry sexy times. The only rules were have fun, play nice and share. Toward evening we might have a BBQ in the back yard or a tiki party with goofy Don Ho music playing. Once in a while we would all rent a limo (or two- cost no more than a cab) in the evening just to go a few miles to have dinner at a cool little seafood place, then maybe limo off to the sleepy little local tavern to have a couple of beers, dance to the jukebox and shoot a little pool. Then back to the house all horny again and ready to suck and fuck the night away in what amounted to a big slithering naked pile. People might drift in and out during the day and evening as the weekend progressed, and who knows who's arms you would end up falling asleep in -exhausted, bare and happy. The house was two story, but smallish (cozy!!!..lol!) and after any morning waking ya ya's, we would shower four or more at a time (only one bathroom per floor). Then the cycle of the day would begin again, and eventually we would all head out to breakfast and another perfect day. I think how natural and easy and how things just flowed is what makes that such a fond memory for me. Also, it is such fun to do everything in a group like that, and to feel life be that integrated.