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I've never felt that swinging, in any form, is about fairness. Of course there are risks. If only one is having others, two things can happen. Jealousy in the one left out can cause problems and there's always the possibility that the one partaking will think they're in love with their other. I think your wife just might be being totally honest with you in that she could enjoy fucking other men but she couldn't enjoy you being there. My wife was the same way. I loved being there and watching but I could tell it was bothering, and restricting, her. And, after separate room encounters, she didn't even want to discuss what had occurred. I finally realized that and allowed her privacy. I think you simply need to decide if you want to go by her rules or not. If it turns you on that much then it might be worth it. If it bothers you that much, then it won't. Either way, I sure hope things work out for you..., and her.

I would like to state the reasons For playing with friends. I see on to Poll topic on this board this topic never ends. The great majority say don’t play with friends, not even friends you have made while playing with them. I ask, who better to play with? I understand some people like to have sex with strangers. No attachments sometimes without even know a name. Have sex, go home. I had one nighters as a single woman. I’ve had a number in college as well. To be honest I had guilt after one nighters. Self doubt. I know I am younger than most on here but I am sure the vast majority had one nighters. My intro to the LS was with a colle friend. I was the unicorn. It was a threesome and I had sex with a girlfriend. It did cause guilt. Guilt of having sex with a female. Guilt of cheating on my boyfriend. What I loved was having fun with someone who I have shared many other fun things with. Our relationship was not based on sex alone. I soon learned that other friends from college were into playing too. It surprised me at first. My boyfriend, who I have since married was upset with my newfound experience. I think with the help of a few girlfriends his being upset was turned into being the luckiest guy. For the most part our play friends are friends of mine from college and live hours from us. We have met new friends mostly from my old friends. We enjoy the parties we have gone to. We also enjoy tailgating, going to games, and just hanging out. Not everything is sex. Bringing our LS to our local friends was scary for me because I read the downside so many have written about. My husbands best friend and then my best friend. Our guy friend was very eager to play. Surprise surprise. What really amazed me was the willingness of my girlfriend wanting to join me and my husband. Both of these people are close friends who we enjoy being with. Our friendships go much further than sex. Sex has just added a new dynamic to what we already have. The only thing that might be better, and I did say might, would be my girlfriends willingness to be more open with bisexual play. I respect her and won’t push.

YES! We are early risers (generally by 5am most days). I require more sleep than most people, so we are usually in bed by 8pm. If I am out and about, I have a better chance at staying awake, but the clubs here don't open until 9pm. No one arrives or starts playing until after midnight. Even on the nights when the club opens at 7:30pm. It is so frustrating. Even outside the clubs, couples we meet want to do things late. I would much prefer to get the ball rolling earlier in the day. On weekends, mid day sex? Why not? Staying up that late really throws me off for a few days. I disagree about it being better than Netflix and popcorn. I am a homebody at heart. I'd rather just stay at home and do our own thing. We don't have much luck at local clubs anyways, but the husband likes the environment and atmosphere. I like the music (when they play good music) part of the atmosphere. And pretending that, (as long as I don't look around too much and spoil the illusion) there are people there that find me desirable.

Having played with our friends - we vote don’t do it!!!! It can and does lead to complications. It’s not about bonding or jealousy but things will and do get weird and it is not predictable!

It doesn't really matter who's more selfish. Apportioning blame is a waste of time and energy. What matters is that this setup doesn't work for you two. I'm sorry.

I didn’t know what to expect when I visited a nude beach. I can’t respond to the fact that there is sex at Cherry Lane, I can say that on the beach I have gone to there were no outwardly sexual activity. People on the beach tend to be older than me and my friends. I do think people do gawk but for the most part nude is not sexual. My first time there I did look. Yes plenty of overweight people. I think even thin people can look awkward nude. I would say most people on the beach aren’t there to show off their bodies or even care what others look like. Once you are comfortable being publicly nude the experience is about feeling good. Who is this writer to judge the people she is gawking at? I think she has deep seeded problems. If she went to do an unbiased report then she failed. Maybe she is denial with her own body and sexuality. Who needs people like this “reporting” on other people’s enjoyment.

Me and the wife had dabbled a bit and been to a few swingers clubs but mostly kept to each other and observed. Well last sat night had a nice surprise to it. We entered a club and although it was early we noticed that the crowd was a little thin. Not knowing anyone or how things operated we got a few drinks and settled in by the couch area where we mostly talked, kissed a bit and did some light touching. My wife looked hot as hell, decked out in high heels, a mini skit with no panties and a tight top that really showed off her nice breasts. After a few hot rounds of making out and fondling, we decided to check out the rest of the club. The room in the back consisted of several beds and couches, a few guys were getting blow jobs from their ladies and we watched a bit, but weren't quite ready to join in so we went back to the bar area where our night got interesting. We bellied up next to this couple, lets call them Steve and Amy. Amy was very friendly and we said hello, then asked if they frequented the club often. After some small talk I told them we were newbies, but we both had talked about trying our swinging, but that my wife was nervous. Amy took some real mercy on my wife and gave her the low down about the lifestyle and about how everything is ok if you do what you want and how you want in your comfort zone. We took to them right away. Amy went to ask my wife if she was bi-curious. Knowing that she was, she replied yes and Amy went over to her and gave her a hot kiss that instantly got me hard. My wife was shaking from it, but Amy told her to relax and calmed her down rather quickly. We then talked a bit more, and told them we were going to go and hang on the couches again, as I wanted to see how my wife was feeling about what just happened. She seemed okay with it all and we started making out again, she was so wet so I knew that she enjoyed the kiss. After a little longer I asked if she wanted to go play in the back rooms. She agreed and we went and found a couch. After some kissing and fooling around in the back room Amy came around the corner and started watching us go at it. We both caught a glimpse of her in-between kissing and I knew she was going to make a move. My wife looked at me and said we have company. Amy came in front of my wife and smiled at us both then leaned over to give her a kiss. The both of them made out so passionately I though I was going to cum just from watching them. Amy then leaned over and kissed me too. Then she got on her knees and asked my wife's permission to lick her pussy. My wife had no hesitation and she started going down on her. I went to work kissing her and sucking and playing with her tits. My wife was in heaven even prompting Amy to stop and say she is so wet. We both smiled and Amy said she wasn't stopping till my wife came. My wife orgasmed and then Amy stopped and the two of them kissed even more. My cock was now out and throbbing and my wife was stroking me as she kissed Amy. Amy left and went back to the bar area and my wife sucked me till I finished. We went back to the bar after and talked to them more and said our goodbye. We exchanged numbers and they want to meet us again for more intimate dinner and drinks the next time. I'd love to see my wife and Amy go further next time. The only thing is, we don't find her husband Steve attractive, he's a bit overweight and just not our thing. We don't want to judge but I am sure my wife is not looking to get involved with him. I suppose we will just have to tell them how it is and see what they say. I'm hopeful the ladies can play and then us gents can give it our own ladies good for the next time. Swinging is so much fun, can't wait to try it again.

In the middle of a cricket pitch-- I literally bowled a maiden over. lol

It was 1969, I was 16, almost 17 and had a 1961 Rambler American that had a front passenger seat that folded all the way down. My girlfriend was 15 and we had been dating about 4 months. We both attended a catholic high school, she was a varsity cheerleader. We had spent many hot evenings making out in that car on Skyline Dr in Reading Pa. The road winds along the top of a small mountain with numerous dark and secluded parking areas that, until the windows got steamed, provided beautiful views of the city lights and the suburbs out to about 10 miles. I don't remember the date (she would Im sure) but it was a Friday night in late May, we were parked at our favorite overlook on Skyline Dr, WFIL was playing softly on the radio and I finally got her shorts off and my hand inside her panties. This time was different from our other make out sessions, this time she actually got my dick out instead of just rubbing it off through my slacks. After awhile, I got her shirt and bra off and finally saw and tasted her small hard nipples. So there we were, my pants around my ankles, her wearing only panties, very damp panties at that. We were making out like mad when she came up for air and said, "I want to". She then slipped her panties off and I rolled on top of her. There was a lot of fumbling around and I nearly came when my dick rubbed around her light brown bush. Eventually, I found the opening and entered her. Needless to say, I didn't last long, 5 or 6 strokes, and came inside her. As we cuddled afterwards, she said it hurt some but she liked it enough to have a second go that night. I lasted longer and it hurt less for her. What an amazing night!! Needless to say, we both went to confession the next day but for the life of me, I couldn't honestly say that I was sorry for committing the sin of fornication! We dated for a few more months and Im surprised she never got pregnant. She asked her mother to allow her to go on the pill and not only did she say no, but she made life so miserable for us both that we eventually broke up. It took us some time to get over it and find others but we eventually did. Still, I never hear Eddie Holman singing "Hey there lonely girl" that I don't remember that girl and that night on Skyline Dr. Fast forward 35 years. My dad died and I went back to Reading for the funeral. She came to the viewing, older of course and a bit heavier but I recognized her right away. We talked, caught up a little but in the press of family and friends, I couldn't stand and reminisce. I eventually went back to the Hampton Inn for the night. About 10:00 there was a knock on my door and there was my cheerleader. We talked for hours, ended up in bed and had a wonderful reunion. She left about 4:00 am to go home to her live in s/o. This time, I didn't go to confession the next day! I don't think she did either.

Exactly, We love the club atmosphere, the spontaneity and to some degree the anonymity of it. We're not heavy drinkers so that's not an issue the next morning. It's just that getting up at 10am and functioning on 6 hours of sleep after hopefully a night filled with some exuberant sexual activities can make for a short weekend otherwise. Oh well, I guess it's the price we pay. I guess what I'm really wondering is: When the club opens at 9 where are all these sexy people that don't show up til midnight? What are they doing elsewhere that's so awesome it's keeping them from getting there when the doors open? What are we missing out on? LOL

The best hitters in baseball only get a hit three out of ten times. Swinging odds are similar. If you want to be involved in this hobby, you are going to see a lot of wacky behavior. Be happy that you have a good primary relationship and forge ahead!