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The FDA is among the most thorough and responsible agencies of any government anywhere in the world. The medications (this includes vaccines) that are cleared for specific indications are as safe and appropriate as can be made possible. Through our professional years, we had roles that brought us into contact with the FDA, and our experience is that this agency is blessed with dedicated workers who are trying to do the right thing. You are welcome to distrust whatever agency you choose. Make no mistake, however: the fact is that you entrust your lives to the workers of federal agencies every day. As a couple, we are grateful for their work and the protections we are afforded by their work. Regarding the Gardasil 9 vaccine: if we were in the age range, we would be receiving the vaccine. We have seen too many preventable malignancies in our roles as healthcare professionals, including cervical cancer and throat cancers.

No I am not trying to pick a fight, just to clarify a position. You stated Mrs Doc doesn't play with bi men as she doesn't know where their dick has been. I presumed you meant in another man's ass. Sorry. Now I understand not wanting to watch or participate in any bi activity between men. I don't know if you are aware of the tone in your posts though. Personally I don't engage in anal sex, but if you do fine. I appologize for hi-jacking the post. Maybe the OP was more referring to telling one's primary partner/relationship and clearly this can be a sensitive subject.

Actually this couple sounds perfect, sensitive to sense your wife’s discomfort and stop. Too many pushy people. When your wife is ready maybe a second time with this couple will be easier, less nervous.

We were looking for a single woman to join us and very soon learned that the unicorn is not a reality. We though we could find a couple where the husband just wanted to watch. We are not the only coupe looking for the same thing. We were contacted by a couple who went through the same search. They told us that since their search they have answered requests from others like us. They have claimed to have met many newbies. We wondered if we would just be a conquest like taking our virginity. A bunch of text messaging and then a phone call with all four of to make sure we were both real couples. We planned on a meeting for drinks only. The drinks led to dinner and all the stories of meetings they had. Not all of their meetings went to plan. They said that they both know when to stop if a couple wants to. They also told us many meetings are for full sex. We said this was just for the wives and they understood and agreed. We left after the wives said they would meet for a shopping date so they can talk alone. They decided that we would all meet again. We met at our place. Ground rules were the men would not undress. We would just watch. A few drinks and the fun started. Some kissing and undressing. My wife seemed relaxed. Then the last pieces of clothes off I could tell she was nervous. I saw her tense up. She turned onto her stomach legs very much together. Our friend was not pushing her. She asked if she should stop. This went on for about ten minutes and then she completely stopped. She told my wife that they should stop and they did. They kept their promise of not pushing. They said they would meet us again if we want. We now have to decide what we want.

The HuffPost is not my go-to source for information on human sexuality, but this article by Pamela Madsen comports with my understanding of female genital anatomy. Bottom line is that whatever the size of the external part of the clitoris, it’s like an iceberg in that most of it not visible to the naked eye. Here’s the part of the article that’s relevant to this thread: “The clitoris is actually close to four inches in length (kinda like the average non-erect penis), but three-fourths of it is hidden from view within a female’s body. It’s buried treasure...Besides the clitoris being made up the clitoral head, the hood and the clitoral shaft, it is also composed of the urethral sponge, erectile tissue, glands, vestibular bulbs and the clitoral legs. Only the clitoral head and the hood are located outside the body. Some sex experts believe that the G Spot is actually a part of the clitoris.” And here’s the link to the entire article: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/12-crazy-amazing-facts-about-the-clitoris_b_7501188

We are going on a Bliss cruise in a few weeks. We find cruises a lot of fun and generally an easy way to meet people. Desire and Hedo are fun, but more dicey to meet people. We are on SLS and SDC, but meeting people and actually playing is rare. A lot of frauds, men posing as couples and people who do not play on line.

After all my worry and fears that men would be repelled by my genitals, I have found that both men and women who have seen or touched it, like it. Mostly because they don't need to go looking, it is right there sticking out. You mention your husband; any other sex partners make any comments? Since we all only get one of our bodies, I can't say how it compares to smaller women, but Clair has a very small clit and she has some pretty intense orgasms. Clair, Lora and I can all orgasm pretty easily both vaginally and by stimulating (mostly by licking) our clits. Some women I or hubby have been intimate with can only cum with oral, and one for whom oral did nothing but could be vaginally satisfied. OTH, both Clair and Lora can cum from anal by itself, but I can't. It can feel really good, but I need DP or a licking to go with it.

We like swing clubs because we can interact with other couples. If gives you a lot of choices and you're not stuck with anyone. Worst case scenario is you have a fun night out together!

Back to the original question for this thread. It sometimes amuses me how we can get side tracked. My wife's reaction surprised me a lot. I've probably told this somewhere here before but here's how she found out that I would entertain bi activities. I was writing a series of erotic stories for a website. I had created a married couple, characters that were very close to us, and this couple was involved in swinging with another couple. When we were working, I'd get up earlier than my wife and write a story. Then, when she got up she'd read it and we'd discuss in on our morning walk before getting ready for work. One morning the action just naturally had the two husbands playing with each other during the sex encounters of the four of them. After I wrote it, I thought of taking it out but it was just too much part of the story. When my wife admitted, on our walk, that she thought it was hot I was really relieved. After that I continued writing with the husbands playing as well. Oh, and, I admitted for the first time about a few bi experiences I'd had in my life.

Unicorns are out thee you just need charm, luck and patience. I've told the story a couple of times here and was just going to do a copy/paste, but those posts seem to have been lost in the Great Swingers Board Memory Purge around 2009. So to recap - After about two years of my husband allowing me to keep my boyfriend while being monogamous with me due to my jealousy, I snapped when a girlfriend of mine said she thought my husband must be fun in bed and I said "That could be arranged." She took me up on it and I learned to love the jealousy and eventually my Lesbian side. This first friend didn't have Lesbian interests nor even let me watch, but we all enjoyed the experiences in our own ways. It ended when she got serious with her boyfriend and couldn't see screwing my husband any longer. But we went out with them as a couple (I don't know if she ever told him) and we remain friends with her and her husband, a different guy (who does know). Both hubby and I enjoyed the way things had gone (and at this point I wanted another "jealousy" fix), so I brought another woman, an acquaintance, more closely into our life. I went to lunch and shopping with her, then introduced her to my husband. We "dated" her together, we took her to dinner, the theater, and on vacations, which we paid for. I left her alone with hubby from time to time to show that I had no problem with them being together. It went nowhere sexually, but the fantasies between hubby and I were breathtaking - for him, me describing her body from the few times that I saw her undressed; for me, the fantasy images of them screwing. We still got together from time-to-time for a few years afterwards until she moved away with no expectations of sex. We repeated the dating pattern with fifteen or so more women, and four took us up on the invitation to have sex with hubby. One other didn't want me present, and I respected that; the other three not only let me watch but either immediately or eventually had a Lesbian relationship with me as well. (My second great sexual awaking). One of the women was Clair, with whom both hubby and I became sexually and romantically involved. Clair joined us along with my boyfriend Red to turn our strange ménage à trois into a poly family (especially when Clair became pregnant and had our first child, with me closely behind). We had the advantage of being in our mid-twenties, hubby being fit and handsome, us not yet having any children, and having some disposable income to treat our date and do what she wanted. Of all the women that we "dated," none have expressed any regrets or animosity towards us. We were looking for relationships, and found them whether it led to sex or not. We are on good terms with all of the women who we are still in contact with. So the woman who you are looking for is out there; be nice and generous. And enjoy interacting with people whether it leads to sex or not.

Not at a genuine nudist location. It's not a "game". Maybe at a lifestyle location. It's not what regular nudism is about and is very much frowned on and could get you kicked out if you are flaunting a stiffy. Accidentals are expected to be discretely handled (no pun intended). Sure it happens at CO locations as I previously mentioned, but we avoid CO these days due to the creeps.

I think the double standard about gay/lesbian sex has been around forever. And I don't think it's going away any time soon. It may moderate a bit, but I don't ever see it achieving parity. But I've been wrong before, so who knows.

ViSexual, I think you have been here long enough to remember when ANY mention of M/M activity on this board would bring a truckload of venom and vitriol. Now, there is still not equilibrium between FF and MM posts/activity/acceptance, but it's a damn site closer than it was a dozen to 14 years ago. That gap will probably continue to close for the foreseeable future. Based on what I'm seeing around the groups my daughter runs with (mid 20's), it is just another thing with them.

You are correct - same sex activities between men and between women have totally different reactions and levels of acceptability in both the vanilla and "open-minded" swingers worlds. People just want what they want. I've had gay sex and been on both top and bottom, oral and anal in couples swaps situations, so I've enjoyed it and open to it, but we do any gay thing less than 1% of the time, whereas the women always want one another. Why? It's just what we like.

No. Well sort of no, sort of yes. About $2200AUD out here so it's a pretty steep ask. Love all my "Toys", and I'm referring to the power tools in the shed. So Googled about & figured I can make something like, perfect shed project for those vanilla weekends. Time to start collecting parts. First up a mini sander, no built-in speed control required, perfect one as $30.00. Universal light dimmer, mounting block, plug & socket, makes the perfect speed control. Test that bit out & we are on our way. Bit of a dig in the toy drawer to locate a Vac-u-lock adapter & something floppy to fit on it. Trip to the hardware store for some timber supplies & the project begins. Some hours of cutting, screwing & sanding later and things are taking shape. Final touch was an exercise mate for the covering & jobs done & was ready for it's test ride.